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TPTB or "Illuminati" are not your enemy! Abrahamist religions are the enemy!

 
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Re: TPTB or "Illuminati" are not your enemy! Abrahamist religions are the enemy!
that was Catholics, called at the time RCC, not Christian(s). Christians were killed right along with jewish people and non believers during the inquisition, get your facts strait.
baby eater????
wow, some people are more crazy than i thought.
i dont believe your Satanic, being so, you would have admitted there was a God for there to be a Satan.
No, i just think your lost, misinformed, and in desperate need of true love.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


The problem you have is that PROTESTANTS DID IT TOO.

You don't even know history, you are doing a terrible job defending your religion.

Protestants have been equally murderous.

Additionally, it's nice that you have a scapegoat, you can just say it was them there catholics, but the bible is a CATHOLIC BOOK.

There were no "real" christians being killed by them "catholics" because CHRISTIANITY IS CATHOLIC.

You can't divorce yourself from the MAKERS of your evil book. The catholics canonized and even wrote most of the bLibel.

And it's funny how you are so quick to quote the lying catholics when you want to "prove" there is extra-bLibel proof of your religion. You hate to accept their canonization but you leap to use their OTHER forgeries.

Amazing. ppig
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Re: TPTB or "Illuminati" are not your enemy! Abrahamist religions are the enemy!
that was Catholics, called at the time RCC, not Christian(s). Christians were killed right along with jewish people and non believers during the inquisition, get your facts strait.
baby eater????
wow, some people are more crazy than i thought.
i dont believe your Satanic, being so, you would have admitted there was a God for there to be a Satan.
No, i just think your lost, misinformed, and in desperate need of true love.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


The problem you have is that PROTESTANTS DID IT TOO.

You don't even know history, you are doing a terrible job defending your religion.

Protestants have been equally murderous.

Additionally, it's nice that you have a scapegoat, you can just say it was them there catholics, but the bible is a CATHOLIC BOOK.

There were no "real" christians being killed by them "catholics" because CHRISTIANITY IS CATHOLIC.

You can't divorce yourself from the MAKERS of your evil book. The catholics canonized and even wrote most of the bLibel.

And it's funny how you are so quick to quote the lying catholics when you want to "prove" there is extra-bLibel proof of your religion. You hate to accept their canonization but you leap to use their OTHER forgeries.

Amazing. ppig
 Quoting: Sandi_T


And what you're perfect because 'you've died and met God and have a special understanding of Him/Her/It that no one else does' and henceforth you and your private religion (which I'm sure you'll say isn't a religion or belief system) are perfectly right and justified in condemning everyone else because they belong to a certain group? So you're the only person that is right in this world? And you call everyone else a SOCIOPATH when you don't even know them? My friend you should study psychology you would probably learn that YOU are the definition of a sociopath.

Oh, and if someone fed the poor everytime someone claimed to meet God or go to heaven or Hell and gave a different account, well there'd probably be no one starving...
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"The problem you run into is that in order to be in any of these three religions, and a good and decent person, YOU MUST OBEY THEIR BOOKS." - this claim is complete nonsense, you are demonstrating that you actually do not understand these religions at all.
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That was a typo. It's supposed to say that you have to DISobey the books.

Because they all call for murdering people!
 Quoting: Sandi_T


ok girly im a little confused
straight out no blah blah blah.
do you believe in God?
yes no?
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Damn bitch!
tbh, i can give a shit what you think, wether you care for God or not (dont get me wrong wish you did), wether you like/love or care for Him, He is real, He is there, and one day you will have to look Him straight in the face, then you can tell Him all about it.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Of course God is real!

In point of fact, THANK GOD that the demon of the bible isn't real!

I have already looked God in the face. I've died and gone Home, and I know what's there. And I didn't even think to tell It anything. It told me all about life, Itself, and everything.

There is no violent, hateful beast squatting on a cloud waiting to use his magnifying glass to fry everyone--unless they're covered in the blood of his butchered 'son'...

The whole concept is sick and disgusting....

God hates you and wants to burn and torture you forever. But he looooves you so he had the GOOD son--which was actually him--tortured to death. Then he's going to cover you in the good son's blood so that he won't hate you and burn and torture you...

All makes such great sense.

TO A SOCIOPATH!

wall
 Quoting: Sandi_T


same bullshit from an atheist i always get.
you've seen nothen yet lady, but mark my words, you will.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Really? Atheists always say GOD DOES EXIST, but the "god" of the bible doesn't?

You don't actually know what an ATHEIST is, do you?
 Quoting: Sandi_T


tbh i wasnt sure what the fuck you were saying.
what God do you believe in then?
your own?
another religion?
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And what you're perfect because 'you've died and met God and have a special understanding of Him/Her/It that no one else does' and henceforth you and your private religion (which I'm sure you'll say isn't a religion or belief system) are perfectly right and justified in condemning everyone else because they belong to a certain group? So you're the only person that is right in this world? And you call everyone else a SOCIOPATH when you don't even know them? My friend you should study psychology you would probably learn that YOU are the definition of a sociopath.

Oh, and if someone fed the poor everytime someone claimed to meet God or go to heaven or Hell and gave a different account, well there'd probably be no one starving...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16518282


Ah, yes. That's exactly what I said. I said I am perfect. You are GREAT at reading. No, really. I'm totally serious. Seriously serious.

rolleyes

Actually, lots of other people have experience death and been in the arms of God, and many of them express the exact same things as I was told!

I didn't call anyone a sociopath. I called the christian god a sociopath. You really have an epic reading comprehension fail problem, buddy.

Oh, and if someone fed the poor every time that a christian threatened a variation of "SUCK MY RELIGION OR MY GOD WILL BURN YOU FOREVER" all the poor people would have died from the crushing weight of the food!

Hey, on the bright side, that would solve the "poverty" problem in the christian way: genocide.

laugh
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"The problem you run into is that in order to be in any of these three religions, and a good and decent person, YOU MUST OBEY THEIR BOOKS." - this claim is complete nonsense, you are demonstrating that you actually do not understand these religions at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16518282


That was a typo. It's supposed to say that you have to DISobey the books.

Because they all call for murdering people!
 Quoting: Sandi_T


Typo or not my argument still stands and you need to address it, you claim to have read scriptures of every religion, but you still don't know what those institutions teach or what the individual members believe because you haven't read the commentaries and councils over those books that explain them in context and are REQUIRED teachings of those religious institutions... all you do is pull stuff out of context and whine about it and whine about history and what, we're supposed to expect you are perfect because you claim no association...?
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that was Catholics, called at the time RCC, not Christian(s). Christians were killed right along with jewish people and non believers during the inquisition, get your facts strait.
baby eater????
wow, some people are more crazy than i thought.
i dont believe your Satanic, being so, you would have admitted there was a God for there to be a Satan.
No, i just think your lost, misinformed, and in desperate need of true love.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


The problem you have is that PROTESTANTS DID IT TOO.

You don't even know history, you are doing a terrible job defending your religion.

Protestants have been equally murderous.

Additionally, it's nice that you have a scapegoat, you can just say it was them there catholics, but the bible is a CATHOLIC BOOK.

There were no "real" christians being killed by them "catholics" because CHRISTIANITY IS CATHOLIC.

You can't divorce yourself from the MAKERS of your evil book. The catholics canonized and even wrote most of the bLibel.

And it's funny how you are so quick to quote the lying catholics when you want to "prove" there is extra-bLibel proof of your religion. You hate to accept their canonization but you leap to use their OTHER forgeries.

Amazing. ppig
 Quoting: Sandi_T


And what you're perfect because 'you've died and met God and have a special understanding of Him/Her/It that no one else does' and henceforth you and your private religion (which I'm sure you'll say isn't a religion or belief system) are perfectly right and justified in condemning everyone else because they belong to a certain group? So you're the only person that is right in this world? And you call everyone else a SOCIOPATH when you don't even know them? My friend you should study psychology you would probably learn that YOU are the definition of a sociopath.

Oh, and if someone fed the poor everytime someone claimed to meet God or go to heaven or Hell and gave a different account, well there'd probably be no one starving...
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Experiential knowledge > Blind faith
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And what you're perfect because 'you've died and met God and have a special understanding of Him/Her/It that no one else does' and henceforth you and your private religion (which I'm sure you'll say isn't a religion or belief system) are perfectly right and justified in condemning everyone else because they belong to a certain group? So you're the only person that is right in this world? And you call everyone else a SOCIOPATH when you don't even know them? My friend you should study psychology you would probably learn that YOU are the definition of a sociopath.

Oh, and if someone fed the poor everytime someone claimed to meet God or go to heaven or Hell and gave a different account, well there'd probably be no one starving...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16518282


Ah, yes. That's exactly what I said. I said I am perfect. You are GREAT at reading. No, really. I'm totally serious. Seriously serious.

rolleyes

Actually, lots of other people have experience death and been in the arms of God, and many of them express the exact same things as I was told!

I didn't call anyone a sociopath. I called the christian god a sociopath. You really have an epic reading comprehension fail problem, buddy.

Oh, and if someone fed the poor every time that a christian threatened a variation of "SUCK MY RELIGION OR MY GOD WILL BURN YOU FOREVER" all the poor people would have died from the crushing weight of the food!

Hey, on the bright side, that would solve the "poverty" problem in the christian way: genocide.


laugh
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THIS!

rockon
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"The problem you run into is that in order to be in any of these three religions, and a good and decent person, YOU MUST OBEY THEIR BOOKS." - this claim is complete nonsense, you are demonstrating that you actually do not understand these religions at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16518282


That was a typo. It's supposed to say that you have to DISobey the books.

Because they all call for murdering people!
 Quoting: Sandi_T


Typo or not my argument still stands and you need to address it, you claim to have read scriptures of every religion, but you still don't know what those institutions teach or what the individual members believe because you haven't read the commentaries and councils over those books that explain them in context and are REQUIRED teachings of those religious institutions... all you do is pull stuff out of context and whine about it and whine about history and what, we're supposed to expect you are perfect because you claim no association...?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16518282


Your argument doesn't make sense. My statement is that THE BIBLE IS THE PROBLEM, and what IT teaches is the problem.

Just the same way that the Nazi ideology is the problem. You cannot say that "Nazi ideology is okay, it's some bad people who made it look bad" because THE IDEOLOGY ITSELF is bad.

In the same way, THE BIBLE ITSELF is bad. The QURAN ITSELF is bad. The TANANK ITSELF is bad. The ideologies put forth by these books ARE BAD.

And my point is that to end up behaving as a good person while yet espousing the belief that these religions are TRUE and should be spread, you have to actually DISOBEY the books... and those who behaved horrifically WERE OBEYING THE BOOKS, because THE BOOKS themselves are bad.

And nowhere did I say that I have studied ALL religions. Seriously, now you are just plain outright making shit up. Nor did I say I was perfect.

However, I don't NEED to be perfect to stand up and say, "RAPE IS WRONG".

And these religions are nothing more or less than spiritual and psychological rape. Standing up and saying so, and saying spiritual and psychological rape IS WRONG, is NOT the same thing as stating that "I am perfect".

I swear some of act like you're totally unhinged. wall
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Re: TPTB or "Illuminati" are not your enemy! Abrahamist religions are the enemy!
that was Catholics, called at the time RCC, not Christian(s). Christians were killed right along with jewish people and non believers during the inquisition, get your facts strait.
baby eater????
wow, some people are more crazy than i thought.
i dont believe your Satanic, being so, you would have admitted there was a God for there to be a Satan.
No, i just think your lost, misinformed, and in desperate need of true love.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


The problem you have is that PROTESTANTS DID IT TOO.

You don't even know history, you are doing a terrible job defending your religion.

Protestants have been equally murderous.

Additionally, it's nice that you have a scapegoat, you can just say it was them there catholics, but the bible is a CATHOLIC BOOK.

There were no "real" christians being killed by them "catholics" because CHRISTIANITY IS CATHOLIC.

You can't divorce yourself from the MAKERS of your evil book. The catholics canonized and even wrote most of the bLibel.

And it's funny how you are so quick to quote the lying catholics when you want to "prove" there is extra-bLibel proof of your religion. You hate to accept their canonization but you leap to use their OTHER forgeries.

Amazing. ppig
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WUUUUUUUUUT?????
damn, you say i dont know my history, then you say that bullshit?
really?
ya the RCC wrote the wrote the whole thing right?
because no writtings were ever found before that right *COUGH* dead sea scrolls *COUGH*, and the RCC also developed the Jewish religion and the Torah right?
no Christians were harmed during the inquisition because Christians are Catholics right?
bet your daughter knows more about history than you do!
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And what you're perfect because 'you've died and met God and have a special understanding of Him/Her/It that no one else does' and henceforth you and your private religion (which I'm sure you'll say isn't a religion or belief system) are perfectly right and justified in condemning everyone else because they belong to a certain group? So you're the only person that is right in this world? And you call everyone else a SOCIOPATH when you don't even know them? My friend you should study psychology you would probably learn that YOU are the definition of a sociopath.

Oh, and if someone fed the poor everytime someone claimed to meet God or go to heaven or Hell and gave a different account, well there'd probably be no one starving...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16518282


Ah, yes. That's exactly what I said. I said I am perfect. You are GREAT at reading. No, really. I'm totally serious. Seriously serious.

rolleyes

Actually, lots of other people have experience death and been in the arms of God, and many of them express the exact same things as I was told!

I didn't call anyone a sociopath. I called the christian god a sociopath. You really have an epic reading comprehension fail problem, buddy.

Oh, and if someone fed the poor every time that a christian threatened a variation of "SUCK MY RELIGION OR MY GOD WILL BURN YOU FOREVER" all the poor people would have died from the crushing weight of the food!

Hey, on the bright side, that would solve the "poverty" problem in the christian way: genocide.

laugh
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no thats the Illuminati way, ergo:
aids
cancer
sicle cell
etc
etc
that happen to hurt black people the worst.
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WUUUUUUUUUT?????
damn, you say i dont know my history, then you say that bullshit?
really?
ya the RCC wrote the wrote the whole thing right?
because no writtings were ever found before that right *COUGH* dead sea scrolls *COUGH*, and the RCC also developed the Jewish religion and the Torah right?
no Christians were harmed during the inquisition because Christians are Catholics right?
bet your daughter knows more about history than you do!
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


I could SO get into this with you. Seriously.

I'm not going to bother, though, beyond the FACT that the earliest "hebrew" writings on record are from 1500 BCE. The whole shitty religion is only 3.5k years old, and the same ones who created judiasm created catholicism (the father of all christianity).

But you don't know enough history to even know that the earliest texts are only from 1500 BCE. Trying to get into clarifying where the "israelites" actually came from and the point of the JEWISH PROPAGANDA (the OT) is pretty pointless. Even if you listened, you'd just try to find a way to weasel out of it.

Nighty night now.
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And what you're perfect because 'you've died and met God and have a special understanding of Him/Her/It that no one else does' and henceforth you and your private religion (which I'm sure you'll say isn't a religion or belief system) are perfectly right and justified in condemning everyone else because they belong to a certain group? So you're the only person that is right in this world? And you call everyone else a SOCIOPATH when you don't even know them? My friend you should study psychology you would probably learn that YOU are the definition of a sociopath.

Oh, and if someone fed the poor everytime someone claimed to meet God or go to heaven or Hell and gave a different account, well there'd probably be no one starving...
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Ah, yes. That's exactly what I said. I said I am perfect. You are GREAT at reading. No, really. I'm totally serious. Seriously serious.

rolleyes

Actually, lots of other people have experience death and been in the arms of God, and many of them express the exact same things as I was told!

I didn't call anyone a sociopath. I called the christian god a sociopath. You really have an epic reading comprehension fail problem, buddy.

Oh, and if someone fed the poor every time that a christian threatened a variation of "SUCK MY RELIGION OR MY GOD WILL BURN YOU FOREVER" all the poor people would have died from the crushing weight of the food!

Hey, on the bright side, that would solve the "poverty" problem in the christian way: genocide.

laugh
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no thats the Illuminati way, ergo:
aids
cancer
sicle cell
etc
etc
that happen to hurt black people the worst.
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stfu
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no thats the Illuminati way, ergo:
aids
cancer
sicle cell
etc
etc
that happen to hurt black people the worst.
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But the bLibel is true, right?

And the bLibel says YOUR GOD CREATES EVIL.

Does the bible lie, and it's actually the illuminati that creates evil??

So confusing!
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you're being psychopathic by claiming that that is what christianity teaches and that that is what every christian does. I'll refrain to my earlier argument it is easy for you accuse when your so called religion remains hidden in the shadows so no one can truly know what blood is on your hands. As you continue to discriminate by using the terms, "christian" "muslim" "jewish" you only contradict your original argument.... Institutions don't act, people do, there are good and bad people, a NWO won't change this get over it...


Since you were too prejudiced to continue reading ^ is the rest of what I said.. peace to you friend
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The problem you run into is that in order to be in any of these three religions, and a good and decent person, YOU MUST OBEY THEIR BOOKS.

To be a decent human being and a christian, you must disobey the mandate from jesus to KEEP THE MOSAIC LAWS.

Etc. and et al.

Disobedience to these religions' texts is the only thing that makes any people who follow those texts be decent people.

By your way of reckoning, satanists aren't bad, and neither is their ideology or what they espouse.... no, it's individual satanists. What satanism teaches has nothing to do with it. What the satanic bible says doesn't matter.

It's only what the individual does that matters and satanism nor naziism are bad teachings in and of themselves, oh no. It's only what people DO with the teachings... yeah, that's the ticket.

Now your silly claims look as patently absurd as they really are.
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"you're being psychopathic by claiming that that is what christianity teaches and that that is what every christian does." In this statement I differentiated between the institutions and the persons, you understand that? I defended the institution of Christianity by claiming that what he was saying was not what Christianity teaches, understand? I also defended the individuals claiming that what he was saying is not one of their beliefs. Of course we can judge institutions by what they teach certainly Nazism is not good, but are you going to condemn a 9 year Hitler youth for being a Hitler youth when that is what s/he was raised to understand. I would hope not, you would decry the institution but not condemn the child, you'd hope to re-educate the child. Also this is what I've been trying to get at this whole time, how can we judge the individuals of the illuminati if we don't know who they are, and if they are a secret religion or "have secrets" how can we judge their institution.

"The problem you run into is that in order to be in any of these three religions, and a good and decent person, YOU MUST OBEY THEIR BOOKS." - this claim is complete nonsense, you are demonstrating that you actually do not understand these religions at all. For example, in the Catholic Church private interpretation of scripture is expressly forbidden. There are actually only two English translations and commentaries that have recieved full approval (meaning the commentary was approved with the translations) Unless you've read the 1582 Douay Rheims with annotations or the 2006 Navarre, you haven't even come close to understanding what the institution of the Catholic Church teaches... you'd also have to read 21 church councils to understand this. Also, it is a part of the Catholic faith that there can be conflicts between an individual's conscience and church teaching that are acceptable to the church. It is the same with Lutheranism, Calvinism, Evangelicals, various sects of Judaism and various sects of Islam as well.

Also you need to understand that sometimes people do things in the name of an institution that they don't belong to or that they don't represent. For instance there was recently a girl on youtube who said she was christian and was thanking God for all the Japanese that were killed in the tsunami. The video went viral and she later came out and admitted she was an atheist troll to stop the hate coming at her. Now am I supposed to declare that what this girl is doing represents all atheists and claim that Dawkins' book "The God Delusion" teaches this or that kids learn this behavior in Evolutionary theory class or should I read Dawkins' book, take an evolutionary theory class and then decide she was acting on her own and should be judged on her own? Also, should I judge christianity based on her initial video or also perhaps study it first?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16518282


You still haven't addressed my argument. Your attacks are completely unfounded as you persist to claim that you have read all the scriptures of various institutions yet you have demonstrated that you don't know what those institutions teach unless you read the REQUIRED commentaries and councils that explain those texts. You essentially claim that everyone else is guilty by association and because you have no association you are somehow perfect and deserve to trash religious institutions and their followers when you have demonstrated you know nothing about them. You claim christians proseletyze yet I've been hammered with more of your New Age theosophy than I have been with christianity. Also, why are you here if not to proseletyze? I'm here to defend religious institutions (that aren't my own)and individuals against an illogical, discriminatory attack.
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WUUUUUUUUUT?????
damn, you say i dont know my history, then you say that bullshit?
really?
ya the RCC wrote the wrote the whole thing right?
because no writtings were ever found before that right *COUGH* dead sea scrolls *COUGH*, and the RCC also developed the Jewish religion and the Torah right?
no Christians were harmed during the inquisition because Christians are Catholics right?
bet your daughter knows more about history than you do!
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


I could SO get into this with you. Seriously.

I'm not going to bother, though, beyond the FACT that the earliest "hebrew" writings on record are from 1500 BCE. The whole shitty religion is only 3.5k years old, and the same ones who created judiasm created catholicism (the father of all christianity).

But you don't know enough history to even know that the earliest texts are only from 1500 BCE. Trying to get into clarifying where the "israelites" actually came from and the point of the JEWISH PROPAGANDA (the OT) is pretty pointless. Even if you listened, you'd just try to find a way to weasel out of it.

Nighty night now.
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ROFL!
good night, go run off scared, cuz you know damn well your wrong.
lets just say for arguments sake, oldest Torah 1500bc, RCC didnt write their bible till what 235ad, some where around there, thats a looooong way off from the RCC writting the OT girly.
have fun, dream of God. lol
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you're being psychopathic by claiming that that is what christianity teaches and that that is what every christian does. I'll refrain to my earlier argument it is easy for you accuse when your so called religion remains hidden in the shadows so no one can truly know what blood is on your hands. As you continue to discriminate by using the terms, "christian" "muslim" "jewish" you only contradict your original argument.... Institutions don't act, people do, there are good and bad people, a NWO won't change this get over it...


Since you were too prejudiced to continue reading ^ is the rest of what I said.. peace to you friend
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The problem you run into is that in order to be in any of these three religions, and a good and decent person, YOU MUST OBEY THEIR BOOKS.

To be a decent human being and a christian, you must disobey the mandate from jesus to KEEP THE MOSAIC LAWS.

Etc. and et al.

Disobedience to these religions' texts is the only thing that makes any people who follow those texts be decent people.

By your way of reckoning, satanists aren't bad, and neither is their ideology or what they espouse.... no, it's individual satanists. What satanism teaches has nothing to do with it. What the satanic bible says doesn't matter.

It's only what the individual does that matters and satanism nor naziism are bad teachings in and of themselves, oh no. It's only what people DO with the teachings... yeah, that's the ticket.

Now your silly claims look as patently absurd as they really are.
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"you're being psychopathic by claiming that that is what christianity teaches and that that is what every christian does." In this statement I differentiated between the institutions and the persons, you understand that? I defended the institution of Christianity by claiming that what he was saying was not what Christianity teaches, understand? I also defended the individuals claiming that what he was saying is not one of their beliefs. Of course we can judge institutions by what they teach certainly Nazism is not good, but are you going to condemn a 9 year Hitler youth for being a Hitler youth when that is what s/he was raised to understand. I would hope not, you would decry the institution but not condemn the child, you'd hope to re-educate the child. Also this is what I've been trying to get at this whole time, how can we judge the individuals of the illuminati if we don't know who they are, and if they are a secret religion or "have secrets" how can we judge their institution.

"The problem you run into is that in order to be in any of these three religions, and a good and decent person, YOU MUST OBEY THEIR BOOKS." - this claim is complete nonsense, you are demonstrating that you actually do not understand these religions at all. For example, in the Catholic Church private interpretation of scripture is expressly forbidden. There are actually only two English translations and commentaries that have recieved full approval (meaning the commentary was approved with the translations) Unless you've read the 1582 Douay Rheims with annotations or the 2006 Navarre, you haven't even come close to understanding what the institution of the Catholic Church teaches... you'd also have to read 21 church councils to understand this. Also, it is a part of the Catholic faith that there can be conflicts between an individual's conscience and church teaching that are acceptable to the church. It is the same with Lutheranism, Calvinism, Evangelicals, various sects of Judaism and various sects of Islam as well.

Also you need to understand that sometimes people do things in the name of an institution that they don't belong to or that they don't represent. For instance there was recently a girl on youtube who said she was christian and was thanking God for all the Japanese that were killed in the tsunami. The video went viral and she later came out and admitted she was an atheist troll to stop the hate coming at her. Now am I supposed to declare that what this girl is doing represents all atheists and claim that Dawkins' book "The God Delusion" teaches this or that kids learn this behavior in Evolutionary theory class or should I read Dawkins' book, take an evolutionary theory class and then decide she was acting on her own and should be judged on her own? Also, should I judge christianity based on her initial video or also perhaps study it first?
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You still haven't addressed my argument. Your attacks are completely unfounded as you persist to claim that you have read all the scriptures of various institutions yet you have demonstrated that you don't know what those institutions teach unless you read the REQUIRED commentaries and councils that explain those texts. You essentially claim that everyone else is guilty by association and because you have no association you are somehow perfect and deserve to trash religious institutions and their followers when you have demonstrated you know nothing about them. You claim christians proseletyze yet I've been hammered with more of your New Age theosophy than I have been with christianity. Also, why are you here if not to proseletyze? I'm here to defend religious institutions (that aren't my own)and individuals against an illogical, discriminatory attack.
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So one must trust in the infallibility of alleged "holy scripture" based on the opinions and feeble understanding of fallible men? Give me a break!
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And what you're perfect because 'you've died and met God and have a special understanding of Him/Her/It that no one else does' and henceforth you and your private religion (which I'm sure you'll say isn't a religion or belief system) are perfectly right and justified in condemning everyone else because they belong to a certain group? So you're the only person that is right in this world? And you call everyone else a SOCIOPATH when you don't even know them? My friend you should study psychology you would probably learn that YOU are the definition of a sociopath.

Oh, and if someone fed the poor everytime someone claimed to meet God or go to heaven or Hell and gave a different account, well there'd probably be no one starving...
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Ah, yes. That's exactly what I said. I said I am perfect. You are GREAT at reading. No, really. I'm totally serious. Seriously serious.

rolleyes

Actually, lots of other people have experience death and been in the arms of God, and many of them express the exact same things as I was told!

I didn't call anyone a sociopath. I called the christian god a sociopath. You really have an epic reading comprehension fail problem, buddy.

Oh, and if someone fed the poor every time that a christian threatened a variation of "SUCK MY RELIGION OR MY GOD WILL BURN YOU FOREVER" all the poor people would have died from the crushing weight of the food!

Hey, on the bright side, that would solve the "poverty" problem in the christian way: genocide.

laugh
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no thats the Illuminati way, ergo:
aids
cancer
sicle cell
etc
etc
that happen to hurt black people the worst.
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stfu
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oooooh what OP, that was your best come back? Teller tellen me stfu?
lol awwww did i give away a secret?
a secret for you, its no secret.
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no thats the Illuminati way, ergo:
aids
cancer
sicle cell
etc
etc
that happen to hurt black people the worst.
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But the bLibel is true, right?

And the bLibel says YOUR GOD CREATES EVIL.

Does the bible lie, and it's actually the illuminati that creates evil??

So confusing!
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God created Man, Man turns evil, God created Man therefor evil too, is that so difficult to understand? really?
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Ah, yes. That's exactly what I said. I said I am perfect. You are GREAT at reading. No, really. I'm totally serious. Seriously serious.

rolleyes

Actually, lots of other people have experience death and been in the arms of God, and many of them express the exact same things as I was told!

I didn't call anyone a sociopath. I called the christian god a sociopath. You really have an epic reading comprehension fail problem, buddy.

Oh, and if someone fed the poor every time that a christian threatened a variation of "SUCK MY RELIGION OR MY GOD WILL BURN YOU FOREVER" all the poor people would have died from the crushing weight of the food!

Hey, on the bright side, that would solve the "poverty" problem in the christian way: genocide.

laugh
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no thats the Illuminati way, ergo:
aids
cancer
sicle cell
etc
etc
that happen to hurt black people the worst.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


stfu
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oooooh what OP, that was your best come back? Teller tellen me stfu?
lol awwww did i give away a secret?
a secret for you, its no secret.
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We do not promote racism like you think. If anyone has done more to perpetuate racial ideologies it is the African-American community with their false sense of entitlement. Not to say that Caucasians have not done their own share of damage. All races are equally culpable. BUT if the African-Americans decide to stop living as though they are somehow victimized and start seeing EVERYONE as equals we could really begin to move forward in this society.
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no thats the Illuminati way, ergo:
aids
cancer
sicle cell
etc
etc
that happen to hurt black people the worst.
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But the bLibel is true, right?

And the bLibel says YOUR GOD CREATES EVIL.

Does the bible lie, and it's actually the illuminati that creates evil??

So confusing!
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Evil is simply the antithesis of good, God can bring about certain evils by allowing certain things to happen to chastize men, however those evils exist due to both falls... Also materials in and of themselves are not good or evil it is the will of man that orders those things, when there is harmony we say it is good, chaos and disorder we say are evil.. henceforth God can let chaos befall man... it's a tricky one good and evil, very enimagtic ideas
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oh i never stated it was because of racism.
no, more like poverty stricken.
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oh i never stated it was because of racism.
no, more like poverty stricken.
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So why do most of those in the African-American community idolize African-American rappers who promote hate, violence, greed, drugs, theft, extortion, rape, degradation and consumerism?
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oh i never stated it was because of racism.
no, more like poverty stricken.
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So why do most of those in the African-American community idolize African-American rappers who promote hate, violence, greed, drugs, theft, extortion, rape, degradation and consumerism?
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fuck if i know, im not black.
my opinion however, is cuz they see the rappers with money, haven fun and not given a shit.
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"The problem you run into is that in order to be in any of these three religions, and a good and decent person, YOU MUST OBEY THEIR BOOKS." - this claim is complete nonsense, you are demonstrating that you actually do not understand these religions at all.
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That was a typo. It's supposed to say that you have to DISobey the books.

Because they all call for murdering people!
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Typo or not my argument still stands and you need to address it, you claim to have read scriptures of every religion, but you still don't know what those institutions teach or what the individual members believe because you haven't read the commentaries and councils over those books that explain them in context and are REQUIRED teachings of those religious institutions... all you do is pull stuff out of context and whine about it and whine about history and what, we're supposed to expect you are perfect because you claim no association...?
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Your argument doesn't make sense. My statement is that THE BIBLE IS THE PROBLEM, and what IT teaches is the problem.

Just the same way that the Nazi ideology is the problem. You cannot say that "Nazi ideology is okay, it's some bad people who made it look bad" because THE IDEOLOGY ITSELF is bad.

In the same way, THE BIBLE ITSELF is bad. The QURAN ITSELF is bad. The TANANK ITSELF is bad. The ideologies put forth by these books ARE BAD.

And my point is that to end up behaving as a good person while yet espousing the belief that these religions are TRUE and should be spread, you have to actually DISOBEY the books... and those who behaved horrifically WERE OBEYING THE BOOKS, because THE BOOKS themselves are bad.

And nowhere did I say that I have studied ALL religions. Seriously, now you are just plain outright making shit up. Nor did I say I was perfect.

However, I don't NEED to be perfect to stand up and say, "RAPE IS WRONG".

And these religions are nothing more or less than spiritual and psychological rape. Standing up and saying so, and saying spiritual and psychological rape IS WRONG, is NOT the same thing as stating that "I am perfect".

I swear some of act like you're totally unhinged. wall
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No you still have completely missed the point you don't know what is the institutions who use the Bible as their text teach from it... You remain obstinate on this point, that somehow you konw what every religion teaches and can condemn everyone else by association when everytime you say the book is the problem you admit you know nothing about the institution because the institution requires its members to follow a certain intepretation of the book. Also, a book is an inanimate object it teaches nothing institutions teach from a book or teach a book... did you really not know that, Oh wait my Bible just walked in and is going to teach me oh it is putting an ideology forth to me.. not how it works.. Also, you can criticize the books all you want but what you are criticizing is your own private interpretation that is condemned by the religious institutions you are claiming teach such things... Come down off your high horse Sandi
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oh i never stated it was because of racism.
no, more like poverty stricken.
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So why do most of those in the African-American community idolize African-American rappers who promote hate, violence, greed, drugs, theft, extortion, rape, degradation and consumerism?
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fuck if i know, im not black.
my opinion however, is cuz they see the rappers with money, haven fun and not given a shit.
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Cuz they be selling out their own peeps dog and the peeps don't even know it.

Lil wayne
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That was a typo. It's supposed to say that you have to DISobey the books.

Because they all call for murdering people!
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Typo or not my argument still stands and you need to address it, you claim to have read scriptures of every religion, but you still don't know what those institutions teach or what the individual members believe because you haven't read the commentaries and councils over those books that explain them in context and are REQUIRED teachings of those religious institutions... all you do is pull stuff out of context and whine about it and whine about history and what, we're supposed to expect you are perfect because you claim no association...?
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Your argument doesn't make sense. My statement is that THE BIBLE IS THE PROBLEM, and what IT teaches is the problem.

Just the same way that the Nazi ideology is the problem. You cannot say that "Nazi ideology is okay, it's some bad people who made it look bad" because THE IDEOLOGY ITSELF is bad.

In the same way, THE BIBLE ITSELF is bad. The QURAN ITSELF is bad. The TANANK ITSELF is bad. The ideologies put forth by these books ARE BAD.

And my point is that to end up behaving as a good person while yet espousing the belief that these religions are TRUE and should be spread, you have to actually DISOBEY the books... and those who behaved horrifically WERE OBEYING THE BOOKS, because THE BOOKS themselves are bad.

And nowhere did I say that I have studied ALL religions. Seriously, now you are just plain outright making shit up. Nor did I say I was perfect.

However, I don't NEED to be perfect to stand up and say, "RAPE IS WRONG".

And these religions are nothing more or less than spiritual and psychological rape. Standing up and saying so, and saying spiritual and psychological rape IS WRONG, is NOT the same thing as stating that "I am perfect".

I swear some of act like you're totally unhinged. wall
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No you still have completely missed the point you don't know what is the institutions who use the Bible as their text teach from it... You remain obstinate on this point, that somehow you konw what every religion teaches and can condemn everyone else by association when everytime you say the book is the problem you admit you know nothing about the institution because the institution requires its members to follow a certain intepretation of the book. Also, a book is an inanimate object it teaches nothing institutions teach from a book or teach a book... did you really not know that, Oh wait my Bible just walked in and is going to teach me oh it is putting an ideology forth to me.. not how it works.. Also, you can criticize the books all you want but what you are criticizing is your own private interpretation that is condemned by the religious institutions you are claiming teach such things... Come down off your high horse Sandi
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"the institution requires its members to follow certain interpritations of the bible"?
WUUUUUUUUT?
dude im not totally in agreeance with Sandy, but you can take your fucked off institution and its requirements and shove them straight up your ass!
fuck the institutions!
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oh i never stated it was because of racism.
no, more like poverty stricken.
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So why do most of those in the African-American community idolize African-American rappers who promote hate, violence, greed, drugs, theft, extortion, rape, degradation and consumerism?
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fuck if i know, im not black.
my opinion however, is cuz they see the rappers with money, haven fun and not given a shit.
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Cuz they be selling out their own peeps dog and the peeps don't even know it.

Lil wayne
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"I do it for the money / man, I am such a hooker / and freedom was my girl / until they fuckin' took her"

- Lil Wayne

Sums up pretty much what you said KT.TV ;)
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no thats the Illuminati way, ergo:
aids
cancer
sicle cell
etc
etc
that happen to hurt black people the worst.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


stfu
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oooooh what OP, that was your best come back? Teller tellen me stfu?
lol awwww did i give away a secret?
a secret for you, its no secret.
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We do not promote racism like you think. If anyone has done more to perpetuate racial ideologies it is the African-American community with their false sense of entitlement. Not to say that Caucasians have not done their own share of damage. All races are equally culpable. BUT if the African-Americans decide to stop living as though they are somehow victimized and start seeing EVERYONE as equals we could really begin to move forward in this society.
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Skin color does not determine race,but DNA does and I think everyone needs a DNA test. Maybe then the racial issues and or race ideologies would cease. I AM sure about 70-80% of blacks have some European white blood in them and many whites are mixed with black, yellow or brown as well.

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So why do most of those in the African-American community idolize African-American rappers who promote hate, violence, greed, drugs, theft, extortion, rape, degradation and consumerism?
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fuck if i know, im not black.
my opinion however, is cuz they see the rappers with money, haven fun and not given a shit.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Cuz they be selling out their own peeps dog and the peeps don't even know it.

Lil wayne
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"I do it for the money / man, I am such a hooker / and freedom was my girl / until they fuckin' took her"

- Lil Wayne

Sums up pretty much what you said KT.TV ;)
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word
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