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TPTB or "Illuminati" are not your enemy! Abrahamist religions are the enemy!

 
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This thread stirred up some you know what. But for all who say OP is wrong, my questions are this... Why not love everyone? why not except people for what they believe? Why not ask yourself, who am I? Am I defined by religion or nationality? Am I right to tell others they are wrong? Jesus knew he was going to cause division, but that was not what he wanted. He wanted you to set aside your division for God. He wanted you to see the big picture. Not define and divide yourself through him. OP you are right Solomon is a metaphor for the human temple, and your will is your reality, people don't want to love each other. They choose to divide.
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Tell them to stop their STUPID games.

The games that lead to insanity, murder and despair!

They think of NO JESUS when DOING such things.

So fuck right off, hypocrite.
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Oh, but it really is such a fun game!
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For losers like you.
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Re: TPTB or "Illuminati" are not your enemy! Abrahamist religions are the enemy!
This thread stirred up some you know what. But for all who say OP is wrong, my questions are this... Why not love everyone? why not except people for what they believe? Why not ask yourself, who am I? Am I defined by religion or nationality? Am I right to tell others they are wrong? Jesus knew he was going to cause division, but that was not what he wanted. He wanted you to set aside your division for God. He wanted you to see the big picture. Not define and divide yourself through him. OP you are right Solomon is a metaphor for the human temple, and your will is your reality, people don't want to love each other. They choose to divide.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1471245


dude, Solomons temple is not a metaphor, they've even found artifacts from the temple, by Muslim workers no less.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


The dimensions and the speed of building it are not possible, especially with the limited technology of the time.

This is the same idiocy that makes people claim "david's palace has been found" just because ruins are found in the general area they want it to be.

I mean, are you seriously going to try to tell us that demons actually built it?? It's impossible for humans, so you either recognize that it's not real, or you have to accept the ludicrous idea that it's built by demons.
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This thread stirred up some you know what. But for all who say OP is wrong, my questions are this... Why not love everyone? why not except people for what they believe? Why not ask yourself, who am I? Am I defined by religion or nationality? Am I right to tell others they are wrong? Jesus knew he was going to cause division, but that was not what he wanted. He wanted you to set aside your division for God. He wanted you to see the big picture. Not define and divide yourself through him. OP you are right Solomon is a metaphor for the human temple, and your will is your reality, people don't want to love each other. They choose to divide.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1471245


dude, Solomons temple is not a metaphor, they've even found artifacts from the temple, by Muslim workers no less.
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Your literal thinking is your block (brick), so to speak. lol
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on this post, you not making sence is my "block (brick)" so to speak.
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OP you should not make light of clandestine actions. They are not the real way. I agree with you on your points of view. However things are getting out of hand and were already out of hand.
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Impossible.
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This thread stirred up some you know what. But for all who say OP is wrong, my questions are this... Why not love everyone? why not except people for what they believe? Why not ask yourself, who am I? Am I defined by religion or nationality? Am I right to tell others they are wrong? Jesus knew he was going to cause division, but that was not what he wanted. He wanted you to set aside your division for God. He wanted you to see the big picture. Not define and divide yourself through him. OP you are right Solomon is a metaphor for the human temple, and your will is your reality, people don't want to love each other. They choose to divide.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1471245


dude, Solomons temple is not a metaphor, they've even found artifacts from the temple, by Muslim workers no less.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


I am not a dude I am a mam. Yes it is a metaphor as well as a real building. The building was constructed in the likeness of man. I don't need to go into that with you. You can learn about that if you wish. It is actually very interesting.
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"When you call yourself an Indian, a Muslim, a Christian, a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind." - J. Krishnamurti

Brothers and Sisters, with each passing day we are drawing closer and closer to the most glorious time when Abrahamist religions (jewish, Christian, Muslim) will be eradicated - like a bad dream that had been cast like a veil over humanity now fading fast from memory as we wake up and wipe the sleep from our eyes. No longer will one man say to another, "I have found the truth" or "My God is better than your God" or "My way is the only way". Freedom of religion has done nothing but breed intolerance, hate and war.

God and the Tanakh, the Bible and the Quran have been nothing more than 'tools' and cultural memes to further propagate this agenda of divide and conquer. These synagogues, mosques and cathedrals are constructed to reinforce this global campaign of keeping you trapped and enslaved in rigorous belief and dense vibrations - making sure that you will never be free, never able to think for yourself and see that "God" is no more than 'The Man Behind The Curtain'.

If there is a 'God', as essence/force not deity, it would not demand devotion, adoration, worship or praise. Do the fish of the sea worship the water in which they thrive and find their home? Do the birds of the air lift up their wings in praise to the air and sky in which they soar? Do the beasts of the field bow to the forests, fields and caves in which they find their refuge? No, the only being on this planet that demands obedience, worship and subservience is man - and my 'God' is certainly no man.

We must put away our dogmas, doctrines and creeds once and for all. There will never be a "Kingdom of Heaven on Earth" because man cannot comprehend such basic elementary concepts as love, peace, unity, harmony, tolerance, compassion and understanding. Sure you who are 'religious' claim that you live by these "Fruits of The Spirit" and ask how could anyone NOT except this 'amazing gift' of salvation and redemption that your so-called God gives to humanity.

Certainly the Christ message is one that we can get behind, of that there is no denying. But when you take a beautiful, profound gift of immeasurable worth - lets say it's a rare and precious gemstone - but then you take this gemstone and dump layer upon layer of refuse, filth and human waste onto it and try to hand it off to someone you better believe they will refuse it every single time!

The only principle of "Christianity" that you live by and do a marvelous job of displaying is the golden rule of 'doing unto others as you would have them do unto you'. It's apparent in this nation of hateful, intolerant angry people who deep down truly loathe themselves that we would act the way that we do. We are so bound up in guilt and shame and unworthiness. But for what and to whom do we feel these things? 'Sin' is an imaginary disease manufactured so that you could be sold an imaginary cure.

Wake up, Brothers and Sisters!

We are many, yet we are ONE!

We must stand together, firm in our convictions, steadfast in truth!

The hour is surely upon us.
 Quoting: Abraxas IAO


"When you call yourself an Indian, a Muslim, a Christian, a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not"

This is exactly what the OP and the Illuminati are doing, they call themselves nothing, hide in the shadows to create mystique, and define themselves against every religion in the world, this is the ultimate violence, the ultimate intolerance, and the ultimate ignorance. LOL look at this line "We must stand together, firm in our convictions, steadfast in truth!" The assumption is that because you call everyone else a hypocrite you are not a hypocrite and because you have a mystery religion you are better than every other religion. Is what has to be hidden in the shadows and spoken in whispers really more trustworthy than that which doesn't have to hide but lets the world see what it proposes. You bank on calamity confusion and destruction to happen for you to come into the light, you pray for violence to us and you would call yourself our friend?

"We must put away our dogmas, doctrines and creeds once and for all. There will never be a "Kingdom of Heaven on Earth" because man cannot comprehend such basic elementary concepts as love, peace, unity, harmony, tolerance, compassion and understanding"
Have you put away your dogmas, doctrines and creeds? because you seem to be throwing them out in abundance on this post. To declare war on creeds is a creed that lacks true tolerance, what you call tolerance is actually sometimes spite, other times it is indifference. If you understood such basic concepts as love, peace, unity, harmony, tolerance and understanding you wouldn't be inciting violence against others, as I have already shown you are doing.

"Certainly the Christ message is one that we can get behind, of that there is no denying." Yet you deny christianity and the church, when Christ said, "You are Peter and on this Rock I will build my church." Also if you deny Christ's church you are denying Christ as he told his apostles, Lk 10 16 "The one who listens to you listens to Me, and the one who rejects you reject Me, and he who rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me." So if you reject the teachings of his church and the apostilic succession you have nothing to do with Christ. Furthermore, you are at odds with the Wisdom of Solomon a book approved by Christ and the apostles wherein Solomon draws a stark contrast between Lady Wisdom and the adulteress. Lady wisdom shouts her message in the streets and all who want to hear her message can, but meanwhile the adulteresses, the thieves and the worthless fellows whisper secrets in dark places and cannot come into full view of the public because they contradict good human sense. How then can you claim to care for Christ or his message?

"It's apparent in this nation of hateful, intolerant angry people who deep down truly loathe themselves that we would act the way that we do." This statement shows a real lack of tolerance and an abundance of bigotry towards a people.

I appreciate your open mindedness and love the questioning of traditional thoughts you have put forth. I would be happy to hear your response. Sure you and I may do eachother violence in words and thoughts, yet Plato, Heidegger, Freud, Lacan, and most other philosophers tell us that it is through such violence of mind that men learn and grow. I am happy to live such as to have the ability to discuss a variety of beliefs, thoughts, and ideas and be able to debate them in a rational manner so as to learn from one another.

Peace to you my friend.

hf
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All I will say is that the "Church" has done more damage and more harm to this world than ANY secret society or organization as you so believe. You worship a made up 'god', an allegorical plagarized 'messiah' and continue to perpetuate a death cult that you shove down the throats of others at every opportunity. If there is every going to be peace it is because this world will be purged of the likes of you and other 'religious' people. We must rid ourselves of all that divide and YES in doing so that causes 'division'. Separating the wheat from the tares right? ;)
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Re: TPTB or "Illuminati" are not your enemy! Abrahamist religions are the enemy!
This thread stirred up some you know what. But for all who say OP is wrong, my questions are this... Why not love everyone? why not except people for what they believe? Why not ask yourself, who am I? Am I defined by religion or nationality? Am I right to tell others they are wrong? Jesus knew he was going to cause division, but that was not what he wanted. He wanted you to set aside your division for God. He wanted you to see the big picture. Not define and divide yourself through him. OP you are right Solomon is a metaphor for the human temple, and your will is your reality, people don't want to love each other. They choose to divide.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1471245


dude, Solomons temple is not a metaphor, they've even found artifacts from the temple, by Muslim workers no less.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


The dimensions and the speed of building it are not possible, especially with the limited technology of the time.

This is the same idiocy that makes people claim "david's palace has been found" just because ruins are found in the general area they want it to be.

I mean, are you seriously going to try to tell us that demons actually built it?? It's impossible for humans, so you either recognize that it's not real, or you have to accept the ludicrous idea that it's built by demons.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


oooooooooh she pulled up Apocrapha, nice.
so even when theres artifacts, i never stated location btw, im not sure on that, but archeological proof of the existance of Solomons temple, you deny it exists? Typical.
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Re: TPTB or "Illuminati" are not your enemy! Abrahamist religions are the enemy!
This thread stirred up some you know what. But for all who say OP is wrong, my questions are this... Why not love everyone? why not except people for what they believe? Why not ask yourself, who am I? Am I defined by religion or nationality? Am I right to tell others they are wrong? Jesus knew he was going to cause division, but that was not what he wanted. He wanted you to set aside your division for God. He wanted you to see the big picture. Not define and divide yourself through him. OP you are right Solomon is a metaphor for the human temple, and your will is your reality, people don't want to love each other. They choose to divide.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1471245


Actually, it is clearly intended to divide. The bible is openly anti-family. Jesus was openly anti-family... pretending he even existed for a second (which actual study of history shows no such man did).

The bible is absolutely and 100% intended to divide. There are believers and unbelievers... and nothing else. For or against. With or enemy. God's or Satan's.
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can you please show me the study proving Jesus didnt exist?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


There isn't "a study", there are multitudes of factors that indicate that no such character existed. For example, the leading historians of the time mention several ieosus (jesus) characters, but none of them fit.

However, the most telling factor of all is that Nazareth didn't exist until 300 CE. In all of the extensive records of the time period, there is not a single one that mentions any city's taxes by the name Nazareth.

If, as the bible says, this was a city of MULTITUDES who rejected jesus, then Nazareth most certainly would have made it into the copious tax journals of the time.

However, not only is there that problem, but the site they try to claim Nazareth was on, there are significant burial shards (pottery shards) and other funerary fragments. jewish people DO NOT LIVE ON BURIAL GROUNDS.

So this was never a jewish city at all. It certainly wasn't a roman controlled (and if it was there, it was roman controlled) city of MULTITUDES.

it simply didn't exist. If Nazareth didn't exist, jesus OF NAZARETH didn't exist.
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This thread stirred up some you know what. But for all who say OP is wrong, my questions are this... Why not love everyone? why not except people for what they believe? Why not ask yourself, who am I? Am I defined by religion or nationality? Am I right to tell others they are wrong? Jesus knew he was going to cause division, but that was not what he wanted. He wanted you to set aside your division for God. He wanted you to see the big picture. Not define and divide yourself through him. OP you are right Solomon is a metaphor for the human temple, and your will is your reality, people don't want to love each other. They choose to divide.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1471245


dude, Solomons temple is not a metaphor, they've even found artifacts from the temple, by Muslim workers no less.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


I am not a dude I am a mam. Yes it is a metaphor as well as a real building. The building was constructed in the likeness of man. I don't need to go into that with you. You can learn about that if you wish. It is actually very interesting.
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i call everyone dude, im Californian lol. and to call you mam would be to show respect that im not sure i have for you yet.
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oooooooooh she pulled up Apocrapha, nice.
so even when theres artifacts, i never stated location btw, im not sure on that, but archeological proof of the existance of Solomons temple, you deny it exists? Typical.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


There is archeological evidence that SOMETHING WAS THERE. And you didn't need to mention location, I know all about the supposed site where Solomon's temple was supposedly found...

They found ruins there and said they are solomon's temple...

Just as they found some ruins where supposedly David's temple was. So they stated that they found David's temple.

In one WEE tiny little sentence in the whole article of how it proves the bible and the tanank etc... they actually OPENLY ADMITTED that there were ruins ON TOP of "david's palace" that PREDATED DAVID by over a hundred years!

AND YOU PEOPLE STILL BUY IT AS DAVID'S PALACE, even though the stuff ON TOP OF IT predate it by over a hundred years!

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oooooooooh she pulled up Apocrapha, nice.
so even when theres artifacts, i never stated location btw, im not sure on that, but archeological proof of the existance of Solomons temple, you deny it exists? Typical.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


There is archeological evidence that SOMETHING WAS THERE. And you didn't need to mention location, I know all about the supposed site where Solomon's temple was supposedly found...

They found ruins there and said they are solomon's temple...

Just as they found some ruins where supposedly David's temple was. So they stated that they found David's temple.

In one WEE tiny little sentence in the whole article of how it proves the bible and the tanank etc... they actually OPENLY ADMITTED that there were ruins ON TOP of "david's palace" that PREDATED DAVID by over a hundred years!

AND YOU PEOPLE STILL BUY IT AS DAVID'S PALACE, even though the stuff ON TOP OF IT predate it by over a hundred years!

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 Quoting: Sandi_T


People will so quickly give up all logic and reason to continue to perpetuate the religious beliefs and convictions they cling to so desperately.
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Re: TPTB or "Illuminati" are not your enemy! Abrahamist religions are the enemy!
This thread stirred up some you know what. But for all who say OP is wrong, my questions are this... Why not love everyone? why not except people for what they believe? Why not ask yourself, who am I? Am I defined by religion or nationality? Am I right to tell others they are wrong? Jesus knew he was going to cause division, but that was not what he wanted. He wanted you to set aside your division for God. He wanted you to see the big picture. Not define and divide yourself through him. OP you are right Solomon is a metaphor for the human temple, and your will is your reality, people don't want to love each other. They choose to divide.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1471245


dude, Solomons temple is not a metaphor, they've even found artifacts from the temple, by Muslim workers no less.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


I am not a dude I am a mam. Yes it is a metaphor as well as a real building. The building was constructed in the likeness of man. I don't need to go into that with you. You can learn about that if you wish. It is actually very interesting.
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i call everyone dude, im Californian lol. and to call you mam would be to show respect that im not sure i have for you yet.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Ok, well I will say that I have respect for you, as a person, as a living soul. I'm in Cali too so I understand your lingo. But peace to you.
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"When you call yourself an Indian, a Muslim, a Christian, a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind." - J. Krishnamurti

Brothers and Sisters, with each passing day we are drawing closer and closer to the most glorious time when Abrahamist religions (jewish, Christian, Muslim) will be eradicated - like a bad dream that had been cast like a veil over humanity now fading fast from memory as we wake up and wipe the sleep from our eyes. No longer will one man say to another, "I have found the truth" or "My God is better than your God" or "My way is the only way". Freedom of religion has done nothing but breed intolerance, hate and war.

God and the Tanakh, the Bible and the Quran have been nothing more than 'tools' and cultural memes to further propagate this agenda of divide and conquer. These synagogues, mosques and cathedrals are constructed to reinforce this global campaign of keeping you trapped and enslaved in rigorous belief and dense vibrations - making sure that you will never be free, never able to think for yourself and see that "God" is no more than 'The Man Behind The Curtain'.

If there is a 'God', as essence/force not deity, it would not demand devotion, adoration, worship or praise. Do the fish of the sea worship the water in which they thrive and find their home? Do the birds of the air lift up their wings in praise to the air and sky in which they soar? Do the beasts of the field bow to the forests, fields and caves in which they find their refuge? No, the only being on this planet that demands obedience, worship and subservience is man - and my 'God' is certainly no man.

We must put away our dogmas, doctrines and creeds once and for all. There will never be a "Kingdom of Heaven on Earth" because man cannot comprehend such basic elementary concepts as love, peace, unity, harmony, tolerance, compassion and understanding. Sure you who are 'religious' claim that you live by these "Fruits of The Spirit" and ask how could anyone NOT except this 'amazing gift' of salvation and redemption that your so-called God gives to humanity.

Certainly the Christ message is one that we can get behind, of that there is no denying. But when you take a beautiful, profound gift of immeasurable worth - lets say it's a rare and precious gemstone - but then you take this gemstone and dump layer upon layer of refuse, filth and human waste onto it and try to hand it off to someone you better believe they will refuse it every single time!

The only principle of "Christianity" that you live by and do a marvelous job of displaying is the golden rule of 'doing unto others as you would have them do unto you'. It's apparent in this nation of hateful, intolerant angry people who deep down truly loathe themselves that we would act the way that we do. We are so bound up in guilt and shame and unworthiness. But for what and to whom do we feel these things? 'Sin' is an imaginary disease manufactured so that you could be sold an imaginary cure.

Wake up, Brothers and Sisters!

We are many, yet we are ONE!

We must stand together, firm in our convictions, steadfast in truth!

The hour is surely upon us.
 Quoting: Abraxas IAO


"When you call yourself an Indian, a Muslim, a Christian, a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not"

This is exactly what the OP and the Illuminati are doing, they call themselves nothing, hide in the shadows to create mystique, and define themselves against every religion in the world, this is the ultimate violence, the ultimate intolerance, and the ultimate ignorance. LOL look at this line "We must stand together, firm in our convictions, steadfast in truth!" The assumption is that because you call everyone else a hypocrite you are not a hypocrite and because you have a mystery religion you are better than every other religion. Is what has to be hidden in the shadows and spoken in whispers really more trustworthy than that which doesn't have to hide but lets the world see what it proposes. You bank on calamity confusion and destruction to happen for you to come into the light, you pray for violence to us and you would call yourself our friend?

"We must put away our dogmas, doctrines and creeds once and for all. There will never be a "Kingdom of Heaven on Earth" because man cannot comprehend such basic elementary concepts as love, peace, unity, harmony, tolerance, compassion and understanding"
Have you put away your dogmas, doctrines and creeds? because you seem to be throwing them out in abundance on this post. To declare war on creeds is a creed that lacks true tolerance, what you call tolerance is actually sometimes spite, other times it is indifference. If you understood such basic concepts as love, peace, unity, harmony, tolerance and understanding you wouldn't be inciting violence against others, as I have already shown you are doing.

"Certainly the Christ message is one that we can get behind, of that there is no denying." Yet you deny christianity and the church, when Christ said, "You are Peter and on this Rock I will build my church." Also if you deny Christ's church you are denying Christ as he told his apostles, Lk 10 16 "The one who listens to you listens to Me, and the one who rejects you reject Me, and he who rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me." So if you reject the teachings of his church and the apostilic succession you have nothing to do with Christ. Furthermore, you are at odds with the Wisdom of Solomon a book approved by Christ and the apostles wherein Solomon draws a stark contrast between Lady Wisdom and the adulteress. Lady wisdom shouts her message in the streets and all who want to hear her message can, but meanwhile the adulteresses, the thieves and the worthless fellows whisper secrets in dark places and cannot come into full view of the public because they contradict good human sense. How then can you claim to care for Christ or his message?

"It's apparent in this nation of hateful, intolerant angry people who deep down truly loathe themselves that we would act the way that we do." This statement shows a real lack of tolerance and an abundance of bigotry towards a people.

I appreciate your open mindedness and love the questioning of traditional thoughts you have put forth. I would be happy to hear your response. Sure you and I may do eachother violence in words and thoughts, yet Plato, Heidegger, Freud, Lacan, and most other philosophers tell us that it is through such violence of mind that men learn and grow. I am happy to live such as to have the ability to discuss a variety of beliefs, thoughts, and ideas and be able to debate them in a rational manner so as to learn from one another.

Peace to you my friend.

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16518282


All I will say is that the "Church" has done more damage and more harm to this world than ANY secret society or organization as you so believe. You worship a made up 'god', an allegorical plagarized 'messiah' and continue to perpetuate a death cult that you shove down the throats of others at every opportunity. If there is every going to be peace it is because this world will be purged of the likes of you and other 'religious' people. We must rid ourselves of all that divide and YES in doing so that causes 'division'. Separating the wheat from the tares right? ;)
 Quoting: Abraxas IAO


Actually, the worship of Jesus is the exact same worship of the Mayans. So not really a made up God, we see "him" everyday.
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Re: TPTB or "Illuminati" are not your enemy! Abrahamist religions are the enemy!
This thread stirred up some you know what. But for all who say OP is wrong, my questions are this... Why not love everyone? why not except people for what they believe? Why not ask yourself, who am I? Am I defined by religion or nationality? Am I right to tell others they are wrong? Jesus knew he was going to cause division, but that was not what he wanted. He wanted you to set aside your division for God. He wanted you to see the big picture. Not define and divide yourself through him. OP you are right Solomon is a metaphor for the human temple, and your will is your reality, people don't want to love each other. They choose to divide.
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Actually, it is clearly intended to divide. The bible is openly anti-family. Jesus was openly anti-family... pretending he even existed for a second (which actual study of history shows no such man did).

The bible is absolutely and 100% intended to divide. There are believers and unbelievers... and nothing else. For or against. With or enemy. God's or Satan's.
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can you please show me the study proving Jesus didnt exist?
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There isn't "a study", there are multitudes of factors that indicate that no such character existed. For example, the leading historians of the time mention several ieosus (jesus) characters, but none of them fit.

However, the most telling factor of all is that Nazareth didn't exist until 300 CE. In all of the extensive records of the time period, there is not a single one that mentions any city's taxes by the name Nazareth.

If, as the bible says, this was a city of MULTITUDES who rejected jesus, then Nazareth most certainly would have made it into the copious tax journals of the time.

However, not only is there that problem, but the site they try to claim Nazareth was on, there are significant burial shards (pottery shards) and other funerary fragments. jewish people DO NOT LIVE ON BURIAL GROUNDS.

So this was never a jewish city at all. It certainly wasn't a roman controlled (and if it was there, it was roman controlled) city of MULTITUDES.

it simply didn't exist. If Nazareth didn't exist, jesus OF NAZARETH didn't exist.
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thats not logical at all.
to say because we havent dug up some town there was no man named Jesus?
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do you know who built your house?
then you must not exist!
ROFL!
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This thread stirred up some you know what. But for all who say OP is wrong, my questions are this... Why not love everyone? why not except people for what they believe? Why not ask yourself, who am I? Am I defined by religion or nationality? Am I right to tell others they are wrong? Jesus knew he was going to cause division, but that was not what he wanted. He wanted you to set aside your division for God. He wanted you to see the big picture. Not define and divide yourself through him. OP you are right Solomon is a metaphor for the human temple, and your will is your reality, people don't want to love each other. They choose to divide.
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dude, Solomons temple is not a metaphor, they've even found artifacts from the temple, by Muslim workers no less.
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I am not a dude I am a mam. Yes it is a metaphor as well as a real building. The building was constructed in the likeness of man. I don't need to go into that with you. You can learn about that if you wish. It is actually very interesting.
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i call everyone dude, im Californian lol. and to call you mam would be to show respect that im not sure i have for you yet.
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And everything you just said is addressed in the OP.
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dude, Solomons temple is not a metaphor, they've even found artifacts from the temple, by Muslim workers no less.
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I am not a dude I am a mam. Yes it is a metaphor as well as a real building. The building was constructed in the likeness of man. I don't need to go into that with you. You can learn about that if you wish. It is actually very interesting.
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i call everyone dude, im Californian lol. and to call you mam would be to show respect that im not sure i have for you yet.
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Ok, well I will say that I have respect for you, as a person, as a living soul. I'm in Cali too so I understand your lingo. But peace to you.
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Thank You, peace be with you as well.
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Actually, it is clearly intended to divide. The bible is openly anti-family. Jesus was openly anti-family... pretending he even existed for a second (which actual study of history shows no such man did).

The bible is absolutely and 100% intended to divide. There are believers and unbelievers... and nothing else. For or against. With or enemy. God's or Satan's.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


can you please show me the study proving Jesus didnt exist?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


There isn't "a study", there are multitudes of factors that indicate that no such character existed. For example, the leading historians of the time mention several ieosus (jesus) characters, but none of them fit.

However, the most telling factor of all is that Nazareth didn't exist until 300 CE. In all of the extensive records of the time period, there is not a single one that mentions any city's taxes by the name Nazareth.

If, as the bible says, this was a city of MULTITUDES who rejected jesus, then Nazareth most certainly would have made it into the copious tax journals of the time.

However, not only is there that problem, but the site they try to claim Nazareth was on, there are significant burial shards (pottery shards) and other funerary fragments. jewish people DO NOT LIVE ON BURIAL GROUNDS.

So this was never a jewish city at all. It certainly wasn't a roman controlled (and if it was there, it was roman controlled) city of MULTITUDES.

it simply didn't exist. If Nazareth didn't exist, jesus OF NAZARETH didn't exist.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


thats not logical at all.
to say because we havent dug up some town there was no man named Jesus?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Actually there's a lot of men named Jesus. Go take a trip to Mexico!
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If we choose to percieve enemies, and allow our actions to manifest conflict, then we are our own one true enemy.

And yes, the Divine Creator, or GOD if you must (such a dirty word so abused by the imposters who wore it as title), has been behind everything all along. Certainly, even the Fallen, as well as all of the rest of us, have been operating all of this time out of self-will, yet all of our self-will combined never even came close to usurping the authority of Higher Will.

We all made the choices that we made, and it was God's Will, the Higher Will, that we ourselves do the work to learn and grow from our mistakes and to, eventually, work together to set things right.

Mother and Father would not have loved us all so completely, nay, they would have given us nothing of value at all, if they had simply applied Their authority to doing it for us (inherited salvation).

Our Eternal Parents want the very best for us, just as we in turn desire it for our children. They want ALL of us to return whole, evolved, limitless - to Them, and like Them.

Some of us make it sooner than others. Most of us are crawling as slow as we possibly can. some of us have already made it and (because we were damn fools, apparantly) returned to assist our brothers and sisters (those who are willing) to take the next step up.

It does seem to be going very well thus far, but hey, what do we know? Self-will, apparantly. Anyway, remember that God is in charge, in control, regardless of who else may be claiming to be. In the end, God's Will will be fulfilled.

We may do it consistently, but God does not fail.
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Tobias:
I do not worship the pagan sun god.
addressed to the OP????
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Sorry, that should read, "It does NOT seem to be going very well thus far....."

I really need an editor other than myself.
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can you please show me the study proving Jesus didnt exist?
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There isn't "a study", there are multitudes of factors that indicate that no such character existed. For example, the leading historians of the time mention several ieosus (jesus) characters, but none of them fit.

However, the most telling factor of all is that Nazareth didn't exist until 300 CE. In all of the extensive records of the time period, there is not a single one that mentions any city's taxes by the name Nazareth.

If, as the bible says, this was a city of MULTITUDES who rejected jesus, then Nazareth most certainly would have made it into the copious tax journals of the time.

However, not only is there that problem, but the site they try to claim Nazareth was on, there are significant burial shards (pottery shards) and other funerary fragments. jewish people DO NOT LIVE ON BURIAL GROUNDS.

So this was never a jewish city at all. It certainly wasn't a roman controlled (and if it was there, it was roman controlled) city of MULTITUDES.

it simply didn't exist. If Nazareth didn't exist, jesus OF NAZARETH didn't exist.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


thats not logical at all.
to say because we havent dug up some town there was no man named Jesus?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Actually there's a lot of men named Jesus. Go take a trip to Mexico!
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Mexico??? didnt i just say i live in California? LMAO!
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thats not logical at all.
to say because we havent dug up some town there was no man named Jesus?
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No, I'm saying that if there is a BURIAL GROUND where the city was (meaning it could NOT POSSIBLY have been a jewish city at all!), and there are NO records of the city, then it did not exist... especially since the romans were as careful record keepers as Americans are.

What you're trying to say is that it just so happens that EVERYONE IN HISTORY except for the "apostles" failed to document:

-- anyone named Ioseus who died by crucifixion (who wasn't from the wrong city and at the wrong time)
-- any city named Nazareth
-- any darkness of night in the middle of the day
-- any earthquake in that area at all, much less the one that did monumental damage

I could go on and on about all the WRONG details in the bible's jesus account, AND all the UTTER LACK of any corroborating evidence AT ALL!

A huge city of MULTITUDES and the romans just... what... overlooked it??

A huge city of MULTITUDES of jewish people who went against one of their primary laws which is NEVER BUILD ON A BURIAL GROUND went utterly unnoticed??

It's utterly unbelievable to the point of absurdity. NONE of the details of the bible are corroborated.

The whole "mass murder of infants" by "herod" is utter bunkum.

The whole city of nazareth didn't exist.

There's no record at all of any darkening of the skies, no record of an earthquake (except a record of a letter that someone told a priest he had seen), no record of anyone killed for the jewish people who claimed to be god...

Seriously.
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Sorry, that should read, "It does NOT seem to be going very well thus far....."

I really need an editor other than myself.
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if you find a good one, shoot me his/her number. LOL.
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thats not logical at all.
to say because we havent dug up some town there was no man named Jesus?
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No, I'm saying that if there is a BURIAL GROUND where the city was (meaning it could NOT POSSIBLY have been a jewish city at all!), and there are NO records of the city, then it did not exist... especially since the romans were as careful record keepers as Americans are.

What you're trying to say is that it just so happens that EVERYONE IN HISTORY except for the "apostles" failed to document:

-- anyone named Ioseus who died by crucifixion (who wasn't from the wrong city and at the wrong time)
-- any city named Nazareth
-- any darkness of night in the middle of the day
-- any earthquake in that area at all, much less the one that did monumental damage

I could go on and on about all the WRONG details in the bible's jesus account, AND all the UTTER LACK of any corroborating evidence AT ALL!

A huge city of MULTITUDES and the romans just... what... overlooked it??

A huge city of MULTITUDES of jewish people who went against one of their primary laws which is NEVER BUILD ON A BURIAL GROUND went utterly unnoticed??

It's utterly unbelievable to the point of absurdity. NONE of the details of the bible are corroborated.

The whole "mass murder of infants" by "herod" is utter bunkum.

The whole city of nazareth didn't exist.

There's no record at all of any darkening of the skies, no record of an earthquake (except a record of a letter that someone told a priest he had seen), no record of anyone killed for the jewish people who claimed to be god...

Seriously.
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Cool - Thanks
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Sandi T:
show me Roman record of John the baptist?
yet they just found his ass.
hell Romans even kept him in jail without record.
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do you know who built your house?
then you must not exist!
ROFL!
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There is a building here that matches the dimensions of my house. There is loads of documentation that I exist.

More importantly? There's no documentation saying SOMEONE ELSE lives in my house. There's no documentation that there is A DIFFERENT city here.

That's the problem you face. There's loads and loads of documentation about the time frame these two existed...

OF OTHER KINGS!

Again, it's like saying that I don't live in my house because you want to believe that your Auntie Mae lives here. There's all kinds of proof that I live here... but you won't hear of it. This is your auntie mae's house. Period. Because her letter to you said so. Therefor, since she said so, it's fact... no matter the overwhelming evidence that I live here instead.

No matter what evidence there is of ANOTHER OWNER, and your auntie doesn't even have a key... you still insist it's HER house.

And then you wonder why other people think you're more than a little nutty, especially when there's NO RECORD OF YOUR AUNTIE, EITHER except this letter you claim she wrote...
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Sandi T:
show me Roman record of John the baptist?
yet they just found his ass.
hell Romans even kept him in jail without record.
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If I tell a story that includes President Obama, the story is magically all true, even if you can't find any proof of Superman, or any proof of Metropolis...

But hey, we know Obama exists and I say that Superman saved him from a helicopter crash over Metropolis.

Therefor, Superman is real!

IF YOU CANNOT PROVE OBAMA ISN'T REAL YOU CAN'T PROVE SUPERMAN ISN'T!

HA HA!

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The more I study these religions, the more I begin to understand the underlying horror of them. I was raised as a christian after age 8, and I believed despite previous experiences. By the time I was twenty, I was so deeply indoctrinated that when I began to doubt, it instilled such a deep terror in me that I spent years trying to regain my mindless faith.

But once you've broken free, it's like a one-way door. Walk out of it and you just can't go back. Though, perversely, in the beginning there are many times you want to. Because the threats and the psychological manipulation are unbelievably powerful. So powerful that they seek many years later to drag the escapee back into the prison.

These religions are insidious and they are absolutely evil. The bestial golem these religions offer up as "god" is a caricature made up of the worst--and only the worst--aspects of humanity as a whole.

Wrathful
Vengeful
Violent
Murderous
Insane
Cruel
Capricious
Arbitrary
Malicious
Despotic
Genocidal
Infanticidal
Dishonest

All of these are the benchmarks of the abrahamic "god". The problem is that they try to sell "god is love" but then their books show 'love' as abuse and rape.

This subtle paradigm shows clearly how it is that so many people think that rape is love, that violence is love, and any degree of horror is acceptable so long as "the other person is bad".

So much material to cover. There is significant inherent evil in these religions. However, there is open evil that we're all not allowed to mention, or it's "hate".

Note the symbolic cannibalism. Note the worship of death as the ultimate form of love. Note the loathing and hatred of anyone who has abilities that don't fit the norm or what they are told to consider natural.

Well, anyway.

These religions are a self-perpetuating mind virus. There are few of us who realize it, but we have begun to speak up.

They will start killing us again soon.

We should prepare for it, god knows they're prepared:
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They are characteristics of PSYCHOPATHS.

Who have wooed IMBECILES that wear badges, to KILL in their names.

Read it again! And see who is this God that people have been speaking of, and DOING jobs for them.
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Neither of you have a problem with what the religious institutions teach, (except maybe for Islam) you have an issue with what people have done in the name of those institutions. Usually such acts have been decried by the institutions. Your issue is really with human nature. You are assuming that the Illuminati NWO is better, yet their theology/philosophy is such that they need to stay completely hidden from mankind. They claim that they are hiding from some mythical power that will destroy them if they come out, but they can essentially say whatever they want about themselves because they refuse to let us know who they really are. Who is to say that all the destruction in our history hasn't come from them claiming to be involved with a certain religious institution so as to discredit them and establish their own? This is a logical strategy and something they cannot refute because they refuse to show themselves and only tell us what they want to, they also always lead people on about their great secret. As long as they maintain such secrets and do not show themselves we must not think of them instinctually as 'the good guys' but ought rightly to regard them with suspicion such as we would those who whisper secrets behind our back. Where was the illuminati while genocide was going on? Who knows they stay hidden and for some reason won't tell us.

Perhaps you shouldn't be rallying behind them, you know I am part of a secret society Shiggiddyschwallianism that dates back to 4000 BC (24223 AR by our calendar). Ghandi, Plato, Socrates, Jesus Christ, Solomon, Charles Darwin, Buddha, the 1996 Chicago Bulls team, Poe from the Teletubbies, and God are some of our more esteemed members. We've tried to stop every major global catastrophe and war, we are really really a very good society, but we have to stay hidden because our mysterious all powerful enemy (he's so evil and powerful he's like the devil, but the devil doesn't actually exist) will destroy us if we come out of the shadows. We have a bunch of cool secrets and big secret that will totally put shit into perspective once we come out of the closet, but we can't do that yet cause none of you are smart enough to defend us from... we'll call him "Mr. Evil" if we come out. Basically you have to understand everything you know is completely wrong... we made it that way for some reason, oh yeah because we are smarter than you... don't worry once a bunch of people are dead and everything totally collapses we'll force.. I mean persuade you of our secret and defeat Mr. Evil, then there will be no more confustion, hatred, or bad things at all. It will be a utopia. And we've totally got a bunch of secret symbols and numbers and even a secret handshake, so you know this shit is legit and we the good guys. Anywho I've said too much, you'll understand when the time is right and we bring in the New World Order to spite the old one we may or may not have created.. you know mystery shit I can't say too much... Our secret is badass, anywho just remember we're the good guys, prove we're bad bitches... Well I better curl up in a ball and suck my thumb I've said too much and need to hide from Mr. Evil...
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Sandi T:
show me Roman record of John the baptist?
yet they just found his ass.
hell Romans even kept him in jail without record.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


If I tell a story that includes President Obama, the story is magically all true, even if you can't find any proof of Superman, or any proof of Metropolis...

But hey, we know Obama exists and I say that Superman saved him from a helicopter crash over Metropolis.

Therefor, Superman is real!

IF YOU CANNOT PROVE OBAMA ISN'T REAL YOU CAN'T PROVE SUPERMAN ISN'T!

HA HA!

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Wait... Obama is not Superman!!!?!?!??!?!?!

Oh crap. Back to the drawing board.

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