TPTB or "Illuminati" are not your enemy! Abrahamist religions are the enemy!

Thankyou, you got it... subtext that is pretty much what I was getting at, and but also my big point is when they claim to be some beneficent secret society we really have to regard everything they say as trash because they can claim any amount of members, actions, forged documents whatever and we really don't know, but you're right we do have rotten fruits of theirs to look at such as Lady Gaga... I mean really you can't tell me any society she's associated with is actually in it for the good of humanity...

We can't know their fruits, because we can't know them. This is my point exactly if they were bringing forth good fruit why wouldn't they show themselves and their fruit. But we really don't know them or their fruit because they can't come out look us straight in the eye and show us themselves or their fruit, and we're supposed to believe they are 'the good guys' who are fighting for us... give me a break

YOu are very small minded!

This goes way beyond petty pathetic Lady Gaga.

This goes to CHILD SEXUAL SACRIFICE, or AT LEAST chid sex turism.

AT LEAST! FUCK LADY GAGA!

Shiggiddyshwallians????

YOu are very small minded!

This goes way beyond petty pathetic Lady Gaga.

This goes to CHILD SEXUAL SACRIFICE, or AT LEAST chid sex turism.

AT LEAST! FUCK LADY GAGA!

Don't knock it, we are the true shiggiddyschwall bearers... you must shiggiddy the dark places so you bring schwall to them.. or some vague, deep, mysterious, intriguing notion such as that.. whatever... have you heard about how cool our secret is?

ya you guys put the ram in the ramalama dingdong!

You are a wise one indeed, I might ask Poe if s/he/it will wave the membership fees for you, I could probably get you to the level of 25 Kelvin Awesomerist for free..

hmmm.... i dont know..... will you guys back me for president next election?
i mean look the FreeMasons (Illuminati sect) put Obama in the White House why not me?

You know, the silly thing is we always back the absolute dumbest people we can find for that (oh and long story but we actually control the freemasons too, just trust me I'm in a secret society).. you sound too intelligent for that job... we'd probably rather have you behind the scenes doing more importatnt stuff... like designing Lady Gaga's outfits and make-up... super important...

I think yoir agendas quite clesr as well:
try and turn the public from faith and religion.
which will make it easier for you to create a NWO, and a new religious system.

Well that's the thing, they do not claim to be a secret society, they claim they are a society with secrets. As I stated earlier, all of the info is yours for the learning. You have to do this on your own. They do not impose the knowledge on you. I also made mention of clandestine sects. Most are good men just learning how to be better men. The clandestine groups are the ones who do these things you mention. They are not looked at as part of the true societies.

nah, im no good at make-up, maybr wardrobe malfunctions?

We have no intention of creating a new 'religion'. This is where you are wrong. We only wish to set mankind free from the tyranny and evil that is 'faith' and 'religion'.

In some respects, I do sympathize.

And I can see how one would rationalize that THEY are the "good guys".

Initially, my understanding is the simple policy was that of science over religion.

Logic over superstition.

I am all behind that.

Even the one world unification mandate would supposedly end war.

Is this really possible?

I have to wonder sometimes....

Not enough information.

In some respects, I do sympathize.

And I can see how one would rationalize that THEY are the "good guys".

Initially, my understanding is the simple policy was that of science over religion.

Logic over superstition.

I am all behind that.

Even the one world unification mandate would supposedly end war.

Is this really possible?

I have to wonder sometimes....

Not enough information.

Why is it that so called "Christians" claim that a One World Government would be 'evil' or the work of 'antichrist'. It seems ironic that they would speak out against a 'beast system' that would enslave and kill those who refuse to 'take the mark' and yet their alleged 'messiah' is supposedly going to return and wipe out/purge the world of all those who refuse to submit to his rule and authority and who in the end also will establish a One World Government. Pot calling the kettle black much?

Why is it that so called "Christians" claim that a One World Government would be 'evil' or the work of 'antichrist'. It seems ironic that they would speak out against a 'beast system' that would enslave and kill those who refuse to 'take the mark' and yet their alleged 'messiah' is supposedly going to return and wipe out/purge the world of all those who refuse to submit to his rule and authority and who in the end also will establish a One World Government. Pot calling the kettle black much?

"When you call yourself an Indian, a Muslim, a Christian, a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not"

This is exactly what the OP and the Illuminati are doing, they call themselves nothing, hide in the shadows to create mystique, and define themselves against every religion in the world, this is the ultimate violence, the ultimate intolerance, and the ultimate ignorance. LOL look at this line "We must stand together, firm in our convictions, steadfast in truth!" The assumption is that because you call everyone else a hypocrite you are not a hypocrite and because you have a mystery religion you are better than every other religion. Is what has to be hidden in the shadows and spoken in whispers really more trustworthy than that which doesn't have to hide but lets the world see what it proposes. You bank on calamity confusion and destruction to happen for you to come into the light, you pray for violence to us and you would call yourself our friend?

"We must put away our dogmas, doctrines and creeds once and for all. There will never be a "Kingdom of Heaven on Earth" because man cannot comprehend such basic elementary concepts as love, peace, unity, harmony, tolerance, compassion and understanding"
Have you put away your dogmas, doctrines and creeds? because you seem to be throwing them out in abundance on this post. To declare war on creeds is a creed that lacks true tolerance, what you call tolerance is actually sometimes spite, other times it is indifference. If you understood such basic concepts as love, peace, unity, harmony, tolerance and understanding you wouldn't be inciting violence against others, as I have already shown you are doing.

"Certainly the Christ message is one that we can get behind, of that there is no denying." Yet you deny christianity and the church, when Christ said, "You are Peter and on this Rock I will build my church." Also if you deny Christ's church you are denying Christ as he told his apostles, Lk 10 16 "The one who listens to you listens to Me, and the one who rejects you reject Me, and he who rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me." So if you reject the teachings of his church and the apostilic succession you have nothing to do with Christ. Furthermore, you are at odds with the Wisdom of Solomon a book approved by Christ and the apostles wherein Solomon draws a stark contrast between Lady Wisdom and the adulteress. Lady wisdom shouts her message in the streets and all who want to hear her message can, but meanwhile the adulteresses, the thieves and the worthless fellows whisper secrets in dark places and cannot come into full view of the public because they contradict good human sense. How then can you claim to care for Christ or his message?

"It's apparent in this nation of hateful, intolerant angry people who deep down truly loathe themselves that we would act the way that we do." This statement shows a real lack of tolerance and an abundance of bigotry towards a people.

I appreciate your open mindedness and love the questioning of traditional thoughts you have put forth. I would be happy to hear your response. Sure you and I may do eachother violence in words and thoughts, yet Plato, Heidegger, Freud, Lacan, and most other philosophers tell us that it is through such violence of mind that men learn and grow. I am happy to live such as to have the ability to discuss a variety of beliefs, thoughts, and ideas and be able to debate them in a rational manner so as to learn from one another.

Peace to you my friend.

Yet, their FRUITS flourish.

"Good" job of them all!

Pathetic, your post. And your point of view.

All I will say is that the "Church" has done more damage and more harm to this world than ANY secret society or organization as you so believe. You worship a made up 'god', an allegorical plagarized 'messiah' and continue to perpetuate a death cult that you shove down the throats of others at every opportunity. If there is every going to be peace it is because this world will be purged of the likes of you and other 'religious' people. We must rid ourselves of all that divide and YES in doing so that causes 'division'. Separating the wheat from the tares right? ;)

That is a good question and I like "Christians" reference here. I have actually been trying to understand this question myself. The beliefs to which you are referring, are called dispensationalism. It is a belief system that was born in the twentieth century. None of the churuch fathers or any christians prior to this time held such beliefs as "the rapture" "millenialism". A lot of people argue that this belief system was created by the illuminati/freemasons as some of its most famous proponents supposedly are associated with such groups... also dispensationalists are very politically active towards war in iran and activities that support the agenda of the freemasons etc... Regarding the mark and all that I have actually been studying dispensationalist theology and Bible commentary, their conclusions are still actually a mystery to me, their systematic theology really isn't systematic at all and lacking in theology...
Anyway I'll get to the point here, the big difference between them and you is this, while they are confused and have a poor theology their belief is that only God has the knowledge and wisdom of justice to properly govern the entire world, they do not take it upon themselves to kill people and decide who lives and who dies, they wait patiently and do not engage in such buggery lest they contradict the laws of their religion and be one who deserves death. On the other hand the illuminati believe that they are God and plan to do all that work themselves and orchaestrate the one world order their way... - a bit more psychopathic than the dispensationalist christians...

That is a good question and I like "Christians" reference here. I have actually been trying to understand this question myself. The beliefs to which you are referring, are called dispensationalism. It is a belief system that was born in the twentieth century. None of the churuch fathers or any christians prior to this time held such beliefs as "the rapture" "millenialism". A lot of people argue that this belief system was created by the illuminati/freemasons as some of its most famous proponents supposedly are associated with such groups... also dispensationalists are very politically active towards war in iran and activities that support the agenda of the freemasons etc... Regarding the mark and all that I have actually been studying dispensationalist theology and Bible commentary, their conclusions are still actually a mystery to me, their systematic theology really isn't systematic at all and lacking in theology...
Anyway I'll get to the point here, the big difference between them and you is this, while they are confused and have a poor theology their belief is that only God has the knowledge and wisdom of justice to properly govern the entire world, they do not take it upon themselves to kill people and decide who lives and who dies, they wait patiently and do not engage in such buggery lest they contradict the laws of their religion and be one who deserves death. On the other hand the illuminati believe that they are God and plan to do all that work themselves and orchaestrate the one world order their way... - a bit more psychopathic than the dispensationalist christians...

So when the "Christians" forced their beliefs upon the Native American people giving them the ultimatum of excepting the Bible and their "Civilized" way of life or be put to death, that wasn't psychopathic?