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Terrance Mckenna died at 53, not that long of a life (probably fun as hell).

Science shows (in basic biology) that there is a huge loss of energy between the producers-primary consumers-secondary consumers and onward. It is more efficient to eat producers directly.

Finally, humans have to to create tools to kill, clean and prepare much of the livestock and game that are high in protein. If we had different teeth, jaws and muscles in our faces and jaws, then perhaps we wouldn't need these tools.

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Oh, that's sad, wheat grass will give you a buzz.

^^ Good point there ^^

i'm sure you'll figure it out

I can tell you as a long time vegetarian and vegan of 5 years that most of the supposed facts you hear about protein is absolute horseshit.

As humans, we need very little protein to survive, and any protein we take in needs to be broken down into its constituent amino acids before the body can utilise it. So any idiot that argues that we need meat or blood to survive is just emotionally attached to this idea and is talking out his arse!

If you think about it on a logical level, the time a human is growing at its fastest rate is as an infant. What is the food source? Well, ideally human milk. How much protein is in that milk? Only about 2.5-3.5%. Doesn't that make you think that all the hype about protein levels is way over emphasised!

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The number one question any veggo gets is "where do youget you protein?". I usually ask them the same question and get the response "from cow meat and milk". Ok, so where does the cow get the protein from? Hmmmmm, grass. So really you are getting second hand protein from grass. Wouldn't it be easier and more efficient to get the protein from plant sources to start with?

Think about it. How many carnivores/omnivores eat other carnivores? Where does a lion usually chomp on first...the stomach and intestines, since they can't process the plant matter themselves.

Anyway, I could go on but there are infinite sources on the web about this stuff. There are plenty of vego, vegan and even raw vegan bodybuilders out there, including pros.

humans can't digest grass. but feed the grass to a chicken, pig, or cow, and that produces food which humans can eat.

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This makes so much sense.

Pretty much every vego and vegan I have ever known over time has gone back to eating meat eventually.

yea maybe eating directly 'producers' is better from an economical peesperctive. but when it comes down to quality, 100 g of meat is equal to much more kg of green food. what you need is to be cautious about the quality of the meat you are consuming.

the "loss of energy" is an ignorant hoax, so that people eat in a more economical way.

1)take a rope and brick
2)tie brick in rope
3)go to nearest pond or ocean
4)tie brick n rope in your neck
5) jump into water

WTF?

^^ that info is worth 5 stars alone.

I agree with the source direct info, why eat the middle man (cows etc)? Go straight to the source yourself and get higher energy foods. You'll see the difference in a short time.

AAWWW. U MAD?

More meat for you now right??

So eat more now, we could use the space that you're taking up.

One more DA down.

Forget that freak OP!

see how cow meat turns people mad?

if you are what you eat and you eat mad cow....well

What? Because I went straight to the vegetarian outcome? Thats usually what happens with vegans, they end up thinking they need to be vegetarian as well. I live near Berkley and Santa Cruz, California. Home of the idiot vegan that eventually goes back to eating meat because they alienate themselves from any kind of normal gathering or function by having all these special, ridiculous food needs and schedules that everyone else has to fuckin adhere to. No one wants to deal with them anymore. Trust me!

i agree

If you think it's a hoax and not science, how about volume. Compare an acre of livestock to an acre of corn, beans, grains, etc.

It is about energy, not economics, at least from where I am coming from.

go for a short run and you 'll see how your vegan diet puts up with that. leopards eat meat. tigers eat meat. wolves eat meat. lions eat meat. eagle eats meat. bears eat meat. every powerful animal eats meat. if you want to reject your natural way of living go on.

I remind you that if any of the above animals stopped eating meat they would get extinct. well maybe some bears would survive by eating much honey and fruits, but those would not be the bears we know any more. those would turn to weak endangered kittens.

I am not a vegan, I eat meat.
All the animals you mentioned have to sleep a ton, because hunting the animals to produce the energy they need is resource intensive. If they could cultivate, they would be much more efficient.

Moreover, we are humans and not animals. We are not the same, so don't compare us.

I was as close to vegan as I could stand for about 7 years (had to have milk in coffee lol).

But guess what? I was in training at the time for rugby & boxing, was great for boxing because I was the tallest bantamweight in the comp, but was rather disastrous for rugby as I was so light & skinny that I got thrown around like a rag doll!

Be careful! It can fuck you up if you're not careful! Are you a good cook? (I wasn't, still not) because a good knowledge of cooking legumes ect can get you through it. Vitamin B will need to be supplemented, keep an eye on your liver function.

It was very good for my mind, made me very tenacious & determined, but also has the effect of making a person 'spacey.' Try not to engage in too much philosophical debate with people.

Don't you love Australian etiquette? lol

In Australia, cattle walk around and eat scrubby grass. They don't get fed on corn. People can't eat that grass. So compare: as scrubby grass the land produces zero food for people. With cattle on it, the same land produces some food for people. Some is more than zero, so the land produces more food with cattle on it.

Lots of the cattle land in Australia can't be used to grow crops. It can be used for either growing cattle, growing kangaroos, growing feral pigs, or nothing. So should Australian people stop growing cattle and just go hungry? No of course not.

A good thick juicy steak. I had a friend once who got caught up in Buddhism and went vegan/vegetarian. He had all sorts of health problems and could switch between nice guy and arsehole in the blink of an eye.

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Suggestion: Don't be gay. Eat a steak.