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Children Forced To Separate From Parents at Cali Food Distribution Center

 
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I don't know if this is conditioning. When I was a kid we used to get free lunches at the park during summer. I thought it was great to play at the park and get a free lunch. My parents were never there, it was just me and my siblings. I remember being a kid and thinking how cool it was that I got milk and a small thing of orange juice. As a kid I didn't think about how nice it was that the govt was taking care of me. It's just not a thought a kid has.
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That's true, but I think the issue here is "conditioning". And you're right, little kids don't give much thought to who is feeding them when they sit down to a nice lunch. But at what age do you stop "being a kid" and just make the assumption that some magical "Someone" is going to feed you, clothe you, etc. because that's the way it's always been?

Isn't that the general attitude we've seen with the OWSers?

Or the interviews with people who were standing in line for "free money"? "Where does the money come from?" "Obama!" "Where does HE get the money?" "I don't know, from his stash!"
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They didnt have free lunches at that time for my kids, and I didnt know about food stamps or free health insurance, they may have had it but I didnt know about it , I was a single Mom got $30 a week for 2 kids from the father ,I was a waitress and my parents watched my kids.Didnt get nothing free, I even had to pay taxes.
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I don't know if this is conditioning. When I was a kid we used to get free lunches at the park during summer. I thought it was great to play at the park and get a free lunch. My parents were never there, it was just me and my siblings. I remember being a kid and thinking how cool it was that I got milk and a small thing of orange juice. As a kid I didn't think about how nice it was that the govt was taking care of me. It's just not a thought a kid has.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3461001




That's true, but I think the issue here is "conditioning". And you're right, little kids don't give much thought to who is feeding them when they sit down to a nice lunch. But at what age do you stop "being a kid" and just make the assumption that some magical "Someone" is going to feed you, clothe you, etc. because that's the way it's always been?

Isn't that the general attitude we've seen with the OWSers?

Or the interviews with people who were standing in line for "free money"? "Where does the money come from?" "Obama!" "Where does HE get the money?" "I don't know, from his stash!"
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That is scary!

So is the Little train they have going around the park for the kids to ride, it is all just conditioning them for the trains to the workcamps. They have them everywhere those things, I've seen them in several states.



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That is scary!

So is the Little train they have going around the park for the kids to ride, it is all just conditioning them for the trains to the workcamps. They have them everywhere those things, I've seen them in several states.



Yes, I am typing this as someone who is looking at life through a dirty lens.
Maybe The Dark is from your eyes....
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Has the world gone mad or is it me? Kids train ride toy=wtf concentration camp
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It's just a continuation of the school lunch program over the summer. For some kids, school lunch is the only meal they get all day.

And it should be just for the kids. It's not their fault they were born to lazy ass parents who won't even slap together a peanut butter sandwich for their kid.
 Quoting: Earth Daughter


Actually, the free lunch program is part of the "free and reduced" lunch program. It's not based on laziness factor but overall household income. Ie. a family of 4 that is surviving on an income less than $30k for free lunches, $30k- $42k for reduced (reduction is regressive as income increases). In my school district, lunch costs $117 a month for my two children. It's actually more than my electricity bill--go figure.

Another thing to consider--it's an employers' market. Nearly every professional that I have known who has been laid off over the past 4 years has ended up working elsewhere for $10-$20k less per year. An entry level accounting position in my city makes just over $30k a year. That would be for a CPA with 1-3 years accounting experience and a 4 year degree. Now is it really laziness or is it that employers know that they can get employees really cheap right now because of competition for jobs? I'd say the latter of the two and at least I'm backing up my allegation with actual numbers instead of politically regurgitated rhetoric.
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It's just a continuation of the school lunch program over the summer. For some kids, school lunch is the only meal they get all day.

And it should be just for the kids. It's not their fault they were born to lazy ass parents who won't even slap together a peanut butter sandwich for their kid.
 Quoting: Earth Daughter


Actually, the free lunch program is part of the "free and reduced" lunch program. It's not based on laziness factor but overall household income. Ie. a family of 4 that is surviving on an income less than $30k for free lunches, $30k- $42k for reduced (reduction is regressive as income increases). In my school district, lunch costs $117 a month for my two children. It's actually more than my electricity bill--go figure.

Another thing to consider--it's an employers' market. Nearly every professional that I have known who has been laid off over the past 4 years has ended up working elsewhere for $10-$20k less per year. An entry level accounting position in my city makes just over $30k a year. That would be for a CPA with 1-3 years accounting experience and a 4 year degree. Now is it really laziness or is it that employers know that they can get employees really cheap right now because of competition for jobs? I'd say the latter of the two and at least I'm backing up my allegation with actual numbers instead of politically regurgitated rhetoric.
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It is really disheartening how low some employers are paying now. I am looking for work and am realizing I will most likley have to take a 20% pay cut or end up looking for something for months if not longer.

A lot of jobs are also temporary assignmenets, 3 months, sometims less. I don't want to take a temp job as a first choice because I would end of having to look for work again after the contract ends.

Not to change the subject. I just wanted to say that I understand how hard the economy has been since getting laid off from my job of 5 years.

Back on subject, going to elementary school we didn't qualify for free food. We did how ever get to work in the cafeteria once a month for a couple days and I remember being so excited to do it. We got extra lunch and dessert on Wednesdays. Now, did I think about child labor laws? No, I was having a blast and I got a treat. Lol.
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Is this not the reason people have children, you know, "the free meal ticket"?
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It's just a continuation of the school lunch program over the summer. For some kids, school lunch is the only meal they get all day.

And it should be just for the kids. It's not their fault they were born to lazy ass parents who won't even slap together a peanut butter sandwich for their kid.
 Quoting: Earth Daughter


Actually, the free lunch program is part of the "free and reduced" lunch program. It's not based on laziness factor but overall household income. Ie. a family of 4 that is surviving on an income less than $30k for free lunches, $30k- $42k for reduced (reduction is regressive as income increases). In my school district, lunch costs $117 a month for my two children. It's actually more than my electricity bill--go figure.

Another thing to consider--it's an employers' market. Nearly every professional that I have known who has been laid off over the past 4 years has ended up working elsewhere for $10-$20k less per year. An entry level accounting position in my city makes just over $30k a year. That would be for a CPA with 1-3 years accounting experience and a 4 year degree. Now is it really laziness or is it that employers know that they can get employees really cheap right now because of competition for jobs? I'd say the latter of the two and at least I'm backing up my allegation with actual numbers instead of politically regurgitated rhetoric.
 Quoting: Observer 12411641
It is really disheartening how low some employers are paying now. I am looking for work and am realizing I will most likley have to take a 20% pay cut or end up looking for something for months if not longer.

A lot of jobs are also temporary assignmenets, 3 months, sometims less. I don't want to take a temp job as a first choice because I would end of having to look for work again after the contract ends.

Not to change the subject. I just wanted to say that I understand how hard the economy has been since getting laid off from my job of 5 years.

Back on subject, going to elementary school we didn't qualify for free food. We did how ever get to work in the cafeteria once a month for a couple days and I remember being so excited to do it. We got extra lunch and dessert on Wednesdays. Now, did I think about child labor laws? No, I was having a blast and I got a treat. Lol.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3461001


My heart goes out to you and sending good thoughts your way. It's pretty rough out there. Cost of living has gone up, wages have declined--presto, more programs to help support families such as the free and reduced lunch program (as well as tax breaks).

My school didn't have a school lunch program either and we had a good number of students who were from quite poor families. Not enough cafeteria work for them all. I fed several of my classmates all through high school. I think it's a good program overall. It's just a shame that so many middle class families have to use it now.
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It's just a continuation of the school lunch program over the summer. For some kids, school lunch is the only meal they get all day.

And it should be just for the kids. It's not their fault they were born to lazy ass parents who won't even slap together a peanut butter sandwich for their kid.
 Quoting: Earth Daughter


Actually, the free lunch program is part of the "free and reduced" lunch program. It's not based on laziness factor but overall household income. Ie. a family of 4 that is surviving on an income less than $30k for free lunches, $30k- $42k for reduced (reduction is regressive as income increases). In my school district, lunch costs $117 a month for my two children. It's actually more than my electricity bill--go figure.

Another thing to consider--it's an employers' market. Nearly every professional that I have known who has been laid off over the past 4 years has ended up working elsewhere for $10-$20k less per year. An entry level accounting position in my city makes just over $30k a year. That would be for a CPA with 1-3 years accounting experience and a 4 year degree. Now is it really laziness or is it that employers know that they can get employees really cheap right now because of competition for jobs? I'd say the latter of the two and at least I'm backing up my allegation with actual numbers instead of politically regurgitated rhetoric.
 Quoting: Observer 12411641
It is really disheartening how low some employers are paying now. I am looking for work and am realizing I will most likley have to take a 20% pay cut or end up looking for something for months if not longer.

A lot of jobs are also temporary assignmenets, 3 months, sometims less. I don't want to take a temp job as a first choice because I would end of having to look for work again after the contract ends.

Not to change the subject. I just wanted to say that I understand how hard the economy has been since getting laid off from my job of 5 years.

Back on subject, going to elementary school we didn't qualify for free food. We did how ever get to work in the cafeteria once a month for a couple days and I remember being so excited to do it. We got extra lunch and dessert on Wednesdays. Now, did I think about child labor laws? No, I was having a blast and I got a treat. Lol.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3461001


My heart goes out to you and sending good thoughts your way. It's pretty rough out there. Cost of living has gone up, wages have declined--presto, more programs to help support families such as the free and reduced lunch program (as well as tax breaks).

My school didn't have a school lunch program either and we had a good number of students who were from quite poor families. Not enough cafeteria work for them all. I fed several of my classmates all through high school. I think it's a good program overall. It's just a shame that so many middle class families have to use it now.
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Thank you for the warm wishes. I can't imagine how hard it would be raising a family. I thought with my 12 years of experience it would be easier to find a job. I looked at and kept track of 100 jobs and 40% wanted a degree BA (still paying low wages), 30% wanted you to be bilingual, many wanted skills not previously necessary for my job type.

I hope it gets easier for people out there.
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I think this is a good thing, and should be looked at as such. I also think you asking this question is a good thing, but given a fast, quick answer that, this is how it has to be when it comes to free food, kids no kids.

your think is good, we need that, and we need to make sure free food can be provided in a manner that it can be made good use of.

it looks like both are here, now carry on and be normal!
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Amercan Parents must be very hungry
when they steal the Food of their Kids!

To compare this with the Process of Selection
in Auschwitz-Birkenau is stupid and wrong!

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Not allowed for Goys eh?
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destruction of the family unit.
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I don't know if this is conditioning. When I was a kid we used to get free lunches at the park during summer. I thought it was great to play at the park and get a free lunch. My parents were never there, it was just me and my siblings. I remember being a kid and thinking how cool it was that I got milk and a small thing of orange juice. As a kid I didn't think about how nice it was that the govt was taking care of me. It's just not a thought a kid has.
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^^THIS^^

These programs have been around for decades...I thought it was fun myself. One of my family members used to run our local one ( till they shut it down) LOL
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Actually, the separation is necessary. Children do not have to be accompanied by an adult, and EVERYONE is fed. A bad person could easily infiltrate (become a daily familiar "friend")and walk off with your child. Separating the adults from the children may not prevent this from happening, but it is a step in the right direction.
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perhaps they are learning from the Greece incident where they fed the Men first.....
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Actually, the separation is necessary. Children do not have to be accompanied by an adult, and EVERYONE is fed. A bad person could easily infiltrate (become a daily familiar "friend")and walk off with your child. Separating the adults from the children may not prevent this from happening, but it is a step in the right direction.
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The separation is necessary because someone could infiltrate and kidnap a child? Are you serious? Would you like the nanny state to just take and raise all the children too, just so they're "safer" from the boogeyman? The government has NO business separating parents from their children. EVER. No, separating children from their parents because of an invisible, non-present threat is not a step in the right direction.

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While I can understand the concept of giving food to children directly to avoid fraud, shouldn't the food go to a FAMILY to be given out as seen fit, or am I relying on old stereotypes?

Any time the family as a whole is bypassed I get suspicious of some other normalization taking place.

ie Get them used to being separated and everything is good.

wtf

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do you want some vaccin...

ups sorry, some fries with your burger?


If you let the kids in the hand of those people you must be nut... probably who is helping do not even realize what is doing.
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Ya a bit strange, but the sign says "Free for KIDS" not for fat ass parents.
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Yeah this^! It's not a wonder why they are separating the fat-ass free-loading parents. I would too.
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Some of you are missing the BIGGER PICTURE here.

If you think it's about "fat-assed" parents they have you exactly where they want you.

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True but while we are on the subject a couple of them could mix in a salad, Just sayin.
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this is conditioning for the mass food lines under the false hope of obtaining food, shelter and safety when the society collapses. the nazis seperated families. it's an ugly weapon to keep everyone in order as they are shipped off to their deaths.

I condemn this in the name and power of Jesus Christ.
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^^^^^This
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It's just a continuation of the school lunch program over the summer. For some kids, school lunch is the only meal they get all day.

And it should be just for the kids. It's not their fault they were born to lazy ass parents who won't even slap together a peanut butter sandwich for their kid.
 Quoting: Earth Daughter


Actually, the free lunch program is part of the "free and reduced" lunch program. It's not based on laziness factor but overall household income. Ie. a family of 4 that is surviving on an income less than $30k for free lunches, $30k- $42k for reduced (reduction is regressive as income increases). In my school district, lunch costs $117 a month for my two children. It's actually more than my electricity bill--go figure.

Another thing to consider--it's an employers' market. Nearly every professional that I have known who has been laid off over the past 4 years has ended up working elsewhere for $10-$20k less per year. An entry level accounting position in my city makes just over $30k a year. That would be for a CPA with 1-3 years accounting experience and a 4 year degree. Now is it really laziness or is it that employers know that they can get employees really cheap right now because of competition for jobs? I'd say the latter of the two and at least I'm backing up my allegation with actual numbers instead of politically regurgitated rhetoric.
 Quoting: Observer 12411641


I am making less than half of what I was now, I work in design, marketing or software sales.

I am on the look-out for something better constantly. However I had to take something...it's been a bad time for me for almost 2 yrs now. Most jobs in my line of work are converting over from FT 40+ hrs or PT 25-30 hrs plus 20-35% commission (usually recurring) to now first sales commission ONLY and a 1099.

In other words if you don't sell any product you make NO money. This is the new model in sales from my observations, good for the employer...not so good for the person trying to FEED THEMSELVES lol!!


Nice to be able to stay home, however I have worked remote for a long time so it's not so much a perk for me anymore although...( I can't understand how people can afford to commute, pay for gas, raise kids, pay for food rent and have any sort of a social life)


This is at least hourly but it's only 10 hrs a week LOL plus 1% commission LOL

As for the program it's like another poster said, just a continuation of the school lunch program. The kids are segregated out to cut down on fraud, nothing more.
If there were no bars in the picture I don't even think people would react this way.

In the program my family member ran ( which the local high school would drop off the food in the morning) the program was ran out of the fire-hall and adults stayed outside or sat at the adult table and talked.
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While I can understand the concept of giving food to children directly to avoid fraud, shouldn't the food go to a FAMILY to be given out as seen fit, or am I relying on old stereotypes?

Any time the family as a whole is bypassed I get suspicious of some other normalization taking place.

ie Get them used to being separated and everything is good.

wtf
 Quoting: IRQ_1


It's to create distrust in family (see all of the comments in this thread about "bad parents stealing food from their children") and trust in the fairness and decency in the good and child feeding government.

I've given up on the trained society already.
Good luck with it.
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Actually, the separation is necessary. Children do not have to be accompanied by an adult, and EVERYONE is fed. A bad person could easily infiltrate (become a daily familiar "friend")and walk off with your child. Separating the adults from the children may not prevent this from happening, but it is a step in the right direction.
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The best way to stop someone walking off with a child is by ensuring they are WITH their parents - Duh!
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If you partake of the system, you are subject to the system.
So many slaves.......
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They are teaching the kids that mommy and daddy can't feed them but big brother can.
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^^ this ^^

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Depend on the Government for all your needs
Depend on the Government for all your needs
Depend on the Government for all your needs
Depend on the Government for all your needs
Depend on the Government for all your needs
Depend on the Government for all your needs

Future career welfare and food stamp kids
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Actually, the separation is necessary. Children do not have to be accompanied by an adult, and EVERYONE is fed. A bad person could easily infiltrate (become a daily familiar "friend")and walk off with your child. Separating the adults from the children may not prevent this from happening, but it is a step in the right direction.
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wtf You can't be serious.
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Actually, the separation is necessary. Children do not have to be accompanied by an adult, and EVERYONE is fed. A bad person could easily infiltrate (become a daily familiar "friend")and walk off with your child. Separating the adults from the children may not prevent this from happening, but it is a step in the right direction.
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The separation is necessary because someone could infiltrate and kidnap a child? Are you serious? Would you like the nanny state to just take and raise all the children too, just so they're "safer" from the boogeyman? The government has NO business separating parents from their children. EVER. No, separating children from their parents because of an invisible, non-present threat is not a step in the right direction.

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Maybe you did not read my whole statement. Children ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE ACCOMPANIED BY AN ADULT. Who will prove who the parent is? There aren't many people there who claim to be parents, but there are a lot of young children, alone. California seems to house a lot of predators, targeting young boys and little girls. Are you not watching the news? Get off your high horse and think logically. This isn't some family picnic, it is a free for all.

Recap. It is rare that a "family" arrives together.
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Amercan Parents must be very hungry
when they steal the Food of their Kids!

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Re: Children Forced To Separate From Parents at Cali Food Distribution Center
It's just a continuation of the school lunch program over the summer. For some kids, school lunch is the only meal they get all day.

And it should be just for the kids. It's not their fault they were born to lazy ass parents who won't even slap together a peanut butter sandwich for their kid.
 Quoting: Earth Daughter


Actually, the free lunch program is part of the "free and reduced" lunch program. It's not based on laziness factor but overall household income. Ie. a family of 4 that is surviving on an income less than $30k for free lunches, $30k- $42k for reduced (reduction is regressive as income increases). In my school district, lunch costs $117 a month for my two children. It's actually more than my electricity bill--go figure.

Another thing to consider--it's an employers' market. Nearly every professional that I have known who has been laid off over the past 4 years has ended up working elsewhere for $10-$20k less per year. An entry level accounting position in my city makes just over $30k a year. That would be for a CPA with 1-3 years accounting experience and a 4 year degree. Now is it really laziness or is it that employers know that they can get employees really cheap right now because of competition for jobs? I'd say the latter of the two and at least I'm backing up my allegation with actual numbers instead of politically regurgitated rhetoric.
 Quoting: Observer 12411641


Times are hard for everyone, even me. But I'll be damned before I send my child off to school without a lunch. I'd rather starve myself than see them hungry. There are cheap ways to feed your children if you are in need.
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