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The Illuminati exist to help YOU, they exist because of YOU. They exist to sustain and help YOU.

 
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The Illuminati are good, they are not here to hurt you, they are here to sustain the system you want so badly. You are irresponsible, the Illuminati are essentially your obedient caretakers.


People choose to fight wars, people choose believe the lies and say "OH IT WAS JUST AN ORDER FROM THE BRASS, I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE AT ALL" when you are 100% at fault for the horrors you commit.

They start the wars because you want the wars and to sustain your false reality by taking resources from other countries. You elect officials to do your bidding, like declaring wars for you so you can pretend like you don't want it (though the majority admit to wanting it and ask for you, most conspiracy theorists pretend they don't want it, there a few who don't really want it but accept what's going on around them)


The people chose to buy big expensive cars with money they don't have and haven't worked for (loans), people chose to watch TV, people demand the nasty products. People demand to be lied to, people are not capable of handling the truth and never have been. No matter how much you convince yourself you seek the truth you want someone to lie and deceive you and they give what you ask of them. People want CNN and Fox news. You want to be able to complain about it, you want to not be responsible for your own actions by saying "HEY HE'S PRESENTING ME THIS SO IT MUST BE HIS FAULT" when you're the one who can deny it, it's a choice to accept lies. You chose to live in this false reality, and the Illuminati have given it to the people what they have asked, it allows you to feel like there is no risk in living which is a complete lie.


People demand pollution, people demand coke to pollute their bodies, people demand fluoride, people demand the destruction of the rain forests, etc.
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It is not the "illuminati" in the sense you think. Moreover, they ARE malevolent. They are their god's chosen people that are here to prepare the world for his return. They need Jerusalem from which their messiah will rule with an iron-fist. To understand more look into Baruch Levy, and ALL OF HISTORY THE LAST 200-300 YEARS! They are one ethnic group. They are a minority. This is actually an asset for them as it keeps the entire group content as it is superior over the other 7 billion people. There is not much need to take out "Roth" when he is one of you. It is something most refuse to acknowledge or believe, but it is one specific ethnic group. They have cast a HEX on humanity.
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And no, this isn't an indictment of all social engineering or coaching or managing. Some people benefits greatly from some of that, but it should come from people who are truly skilled and specialized in a particular field and not from some global group that hovers over everything. Besides just the fact that such consolidated power would be extremely dangerous to everyone but the handful at the very apex,... it won't be as effective, especially when that global group seems to be willing to offer the people whatever they'll put up with instead of truly trying to be transparent, positive leaders.

I mean, all I hear from mystics is that people can't handle the truth. But obviously that's untrue since the internet has informed so many and we're handling that truth just fine. Where's your vision for the future? That's all you have to provide. If you provided said vision and the goals were positive, people would buy in. They may not abandon completely some of the religion or beliefs that you'd want them to, but they'd put them aside to cooperate on the overall goal with their fellow humans, provided those goals were worthwhile. But, what are the goals we've been provided with? Killing terrorists phantoms and giving up our rights because of them? Giving up our freedoms and being surveilled? Fighting some climate phantom? It's transparent that tptb value their own power above all else. Perhaps that's just human nature in a way, and not many really know what it's like to be a multi-billionaire in the 0.001% wealth bracket and what that might make them support in terms of world politics. But, that's why the rest of us have to fight back and set our own agenda, and not merely embrace the power expansion agenda of tptb, regardless of the positive spin placed on it.

I mean, Obama had the nerve to call people cynics who disagreed. What's more cynical than a global war on dissenters of the empire, and calling them terrorists? And taking away freedoms and putting in surveillance that the terrorists could never force on us in a million years? Or, making up man made climate change so to get people to voluntarily embrace being peasants of tptb and accepting more monitoring and rationing. I mean, you're the cynics here by any objective measure, and we're merely pointing out your deeds. Yes, it seems by your own admission that we're to blame for that cause we "wanted" it. No, just because you get away with something doesn't mean the victim wanted it. You say that you'll change you ways upon public demand, but what about all the figures who challenged you that were taken out? JFK & MLK for instance? Did they "want" to be taken out? I mean, it's just completely disingenuous and transparent to anyone who takes a critical look at the whole picture. I have no problem with wealth and with people who want to be managers of others. Fine, but don't expect to be ruthless and blame the victims as having "wanted" to be victimized. And don't think that you're above human nature and that absolute power corrupting only applies to the rest of us, but that if you were in charge you'd be "enlightened" and it would all be perfectly okay. Well, if that's the case.... where is your vision for the future and leadership? Why the ultra cynical, power grabbing wars on terror and climate change? How about something better.... we're open to leadership if you give us something positive to get behind.
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you know you fucked up right?

okay, so when you talk about the "collective desire" do you mean just the collective desire or USA and europe or ahh well the real collective desire of the world...because i dont think the collective planetary desire is to get screwed for generations.

no, none of that adds up...so these enlightened illuminati are either exclusively picking up the vibes of just USA and europe or the whole planet just wants the few to screw the many.

i've thought about this and yeah, i was oblivious through my first decade of life, and alone came to a conclusion of a few controlling the world before i even knew about secret societies, genuine intuition before the true rise of youtube and the internet..2003 or something

so maybe assuming the illuminati are purely evil AND need to be stopped is also oblivious

backlash of that could be purely positive and also needed

people only want to help/heal when they've been doomed and helped, or sick and recovered, though most even forget after a while of being stable. So maybe the majority of the world needs to rinse and repeat tragedy.

where does that leave USA and europe, or those on top of the world, living lives kings of old could never dream of, right now as i type and have more knowledge at my fingertips than i could know what to do with?


the illuminati are a tool for something nobody alive understands, and the breach of such knowledge would hurt that individual in ways nobody understands, a real sacrifice to that individual for breaking the flow that is in place?

but everything is part of a cycle, and thats the only hope for change we have

right now its all about not knowing shit, and either accepting it or not, then talking about it online to strangers
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great now what ?
sit on your pile of shit that you didnt make
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Sounds like a rapist saying "she wanted it".
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Sounds like a girl pinning an innocent male who she later regretted having sex with.

No one forces you to consume coca-cola, no one forces you to eat the food in the supermarkets. No one tells you to watch TV, the Illuminati aren't going to hold a gun to your head and make you watch the latest news broadcast or American Idol episode.
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Except with the government SWAT teams raiding organic food co-ops, amish farms, small pig farmers, and other independent food producers, right? Yup, nobody's forcing us to consume supermarket crap. DURRRRR
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No secret society is more controversial than the Illuminati, yet almost nothing of the truth of this mysterious ancient Order is available in the public record. Propaganda, misinformation, disinformation, paranoia and downright fantasy are rife. Some have even described the Illuminati as pan-dimensional, shape-shifting Reptilians from another world!

The Illuminati have become the peg upon which anyone can hang their favorite and most outlandish conspiracy theories. They are the "men behind the curtain", the "ultimate puppetmasters", fascists, communists, bankers, jewish people, monarchists, anti-monarchists, lizards, you name it. They support "big" government, high taxes and the sinister New World Order, based on a single global currency. They want to build death camps and reduce the world's population to one billion souls.

So much for the penny-dreadful nonsense churned out by the simple minded pied pipers of Conspiracy World.

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Now you can discover for yourself the extraordinary nature of this secret society, its esoteric Gnostic and Hermetic religion known as Illumination, and how it represents the greatest hope for humanity in overthrowing the Devil-worshiping Abrahamic religions and the Old World Order of elite, dynastic families of privilege that run the planet, such as the Bush family, the Rothschilds and the British Royal Family.

It's time to build a meritocratic world, a world free of privilege and religious brainwashing, a world where the super rich are brought down to earth. It's time for a New World Order where humanity can devote itself to its true purpose: creating a Community of Gods, a Society of the Divine. Don't you want to join the greatest adventure in human history? The Illuminati offer nothing less than ultimate transformation, and the truth concerning the supreme object of humanity's spiritual quest - the Holy Grail itself.

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If the Illuminati are anything other than out right evil; they are the world's greatest fly catchers. They sow the seeds that allow sociopaths to thrive. They purposely seek out the worst of humanity because those individuals are the easiest to manipulate - having dirt on a child molester can get that person to do just about anything.

The OP is generally correct when he states that the state of the world is our own doing. Specifically, it is the doing of the worst of us. Those that lie unflinching. Steal without regret. Kill with no conscience or remorse. The Illuminati are the mind, and the sociopathic hordes of politics, military, finance, media and commerce their body.

This post is classic "don't blame us", but their insistence on involvement means that they can and will be blamed. One does not throw rocks into a pond and expect not to be blamed for the resulting ripples. If you do not want to face the blame, and more importantly our wrath, you have all the power in the world to sit down and shut up, but understand what has been done must be undone. Those that the Illuminati have empowered must be dealt with. The Illuminati opened the cage, and let the beasts of mankind free. Is the resulting blood directly on their hands? No. But, a crime has been committed on their part. A crime whose punishment should be equal to the degree of suffering enabled.

In order for everything to return to zero ALL debts must be settled, and the Illuminati do have a debt to pay. They know this all to well (as does their master Satan), that's why I believe the One world Government thing is a scam to keep their little horde of sociopaths doing their bidding. The true plan is to destroy the entire planet in a classic show of selfishness and the ultimate manifestation of "if we're going down, will take the whole of humanity with us!"

They're only making things worst for themselves, and the debt that they will pay that much greater.
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The Illuminati are good, they are not here to hurt you, they are here to sustain the system you want so badly. You are irresponsible, the Illuminati are essentially your obedient caretakers.


People choose to fight wars, people choose believe the lies and say "OH IT WAS JUST AN ORDER FROM THE BRASS, I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE AT ALL" when you are 100% at fault for the horrors you commit.

They start the wars because you want the wars and to sustain your false reality by taking resources from other countries. You elect officials to do your bidding, like declaring wars for you so you can pretend like you don't want it (though the majority admit to wanting it and ask for you, most conspiracy theorists pretend they don't want it, there a few who don't really want it but accept what's going on around them)


The people chose to buy big expensive cars with money they don't have and haven't worked for (loans), people chose to watch TV, people demand the nasty products. People demand to be lied to, people are not capable of handling the truth and never have been. No matter how much you convince yourself you seek the truth you want someone to lie and deceive you and they give what you ask of them. People want CNN and Fox news. You want to be able to complain about it, you want to not be responsible for your own actions by saying "HEY HE'S PRESENTING ME THIS SO IT MUST BE HIS FAULT" when you're the one who can deny it, it's a choice to accept lies. You chose to live in this false reality, and the Illuminati have given it to the people what they have asked, it allows you to feel like there is no risk in living which is a complete lie.


People demand pollution, people demand coke to pollute their bodies, people demand fluoride, people demand the destruction of the rain forests, etc.
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LYING BITCH.

Could only be comming from people who will use any form of justification for their criminal NATURE.

"The February 15, 2003 anti-war protest was a coordinated day of protests across the world, with millions of people expressing opposition to the then-imminent Iraq War. It was part of a series of protests and political events that had begun in 2002 and continued as the war took place.

Sources vary in their estimations of the number of participants involved. According to BBC News, between six and ten million people took part in protests in up to sixty countries over the weekend of the 15th and 16th; other estimates range from eight million to thirty million.[1][2]

Some of the largest protests took place in Europe. The protest in Rome involved around three million people, and is listed in the 2004 Guinness Book of World Records as the largest anti-war rally in history.[3][4] Madrid hosted the second largest rally with more than 1½ million people protesting the invasion of Iraq, whereas Mainland China was the only major region not to see any protests, but small demonstrations attended mainly by foreign students were seen later.[5]


They do it because they like to KILL and STEAL.

Trash. The lying bunch of you.
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And no, this isn't an indictment of all social engineering or coaching or managing. Some people benefits greatly from some of that, but it should come from people who are truly skilled and specialized in a particular field and not from some global group that hovers over everything. Besides just the fact that such consolidated power would be extremely dangerous to everyone but the handful at the very apex,... it won't be as effective, especially when that global group seems to be willing to offer the people whatever they'll put up with instead of truly trying to be transparent, positive leaders.

I mean, all I hear from mystics is that people can't handle the truth. But obviously that's untrue since the internet has informed so many and we're handling that truth just fine. Where's your vision for the future? That's all you have to provide. If you provided said vision and the goals were positive, people would buy in. They may not abandon completely some of the religion or beliefs that you'd want them to, but they'd put them aside to cooperate on the overall goal with their fellow humans, provided those goals were worthwhile. But, what are the goals we've been provided with? Killing terrorists phantoms and giving up our rights because of them? Giving up our freedoms and being surveilled? Fighting some climate phantom? It's transparent that tptb value their own power above all else. Perhaps that's just human nature in a way, and not many really know what it's like to be a multi-billionaire in the 0.001% wealth bracket and what that might make them support in terms of world politics. But, that's why the rest of us have to fight back and set our own agenda, and not merely embrace the power expansion agenda of tptb, regardless of the positive spin placed on it.

I mean, Obama had the nerve to call people cynics who disagreed. What's more cynical than a global war on dissenters of the empire, and calling them terrorists? And taking away freedoms and putting in surveillance that the terrorists could never force on us in a million years? Or, making up man made climate change so to get people to voluntarily embrace being peasants of tptb and accepting more monitoring and rationing. I mean, you're the cynics here by any objective measure, and we're merely pointing out your deeds. Yes, it seems by your own admission that we're to blame for that cause we "wanted" it. No, just because you get away with something doesn't mean the victim wanted it. You say that you'll change you ways upon public demand, but what about all the figures who challenged you that were taken out? JFK & MLK for instance? Did they "want" to be taken out? I mean, it's just completely disingenuous and transparent to anyone who takes a critical look at the whole picture. I have no problem with wealth and with people who want to be managers of others. Fine, but don't expect to be ruthless and blame the victims as having "wanted" to be victimized. And don't think that you're above human nature and that absolute power corrupting only applies to the rest of us, but that if you were in charge you'd be "enlightened" and it would all be perfectly okay. Well, if that's the case.... where is your vision for the future and leadership? Why the ultra cynical, power grabbing wars on terror and climate change? How about something better.... we're open to leadership if you give us something positive to get behind.
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They want to be "managers" because they are LAZY.

They don't wanna work.

Therefore they philosophy that "the profane" knows nothing. And they "know" everything.

Just LAZY CRIMINAL PEOPLE justification for their BULLSHIT.

Look at the world around us! GARBAGE.

"MANAGED" GARBAGE BY LAZY PEOPLE.
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Yeah. And now is time for that to end.
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The majority must want it though, a small faction is not enough. They Illuminati have no problem stopping the false system if the people want it and I don't believe they do, most do not understand what it is to be without it and are afraid.
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agreed.
thas why i dont believe things will change. not now.
because before things can change, WE as a whole need to change.
the first revolution is in consciousness.
and... look around. its sad.
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Spotting a Psychopath

At the movies, it’s easy to spot the psychopath. He’s the one with the charm and the smile, the one who’s ready to stab you with a knife. But it’s not so easy when it’s everyday life – and we’re not trained as doctors or as psychiatrists. However, professionals have highlighted a few warning signs that might indicate that this could be a psychopath. They include:

• Playing on our sympathy: Psychopaths will use us, will hurt and rip us off – then heartlessly play to our sympathetic feelings - and we blindly believe them and tend to let them off. But if this happens often, it shows a lack of conscience so don’t be fooled by their cheap and empty words.

• Being manipulative: Psychopaths, in general, love to play with your emotions. They want you to jump, squirm, feel anxious or afraid.

• Being a parasite: The psychopath will use their charm and persuasion to get you to pay, or to meet their various needs. There’s rarely any benefit or payoff for you. You’re just being exploited – you’re a pawn in their hands.

• Being deceitful: They’re con men who’ll trick you and lie constantly. Their life is a deception; you can’t trust a word. But if you point to a snag in their tangled web of lies they’ll vehemently deny it, and jump to their defence.

• Highly charming: Psychopaths are usually charismatic characters. That is, they’re often mesmerizing, can pull in a crowd, and make a person feel like they’re a famous movie star. But it won’t last forever … they drop you and move on.

• Conceited: Psychopaths are caught up with themselves and their importance. They’re boastful, proud, haughty, heartless, arrogant – and like to undermine, criticise and put you down.

• Never accepting blame: The psychopath believes that they are never to blame - and they won’t accept any culpability.

• Being highly reactive: Although psychopaths can quickly cover up their anger, they will overreact to perceived slights and offences … or to insufficient deference, recognition and respect.

• Risk-takers: These types of individuals are extreme risk takers who draw in others to their games, schemes and plans. They’re hungry for power and they seek control – regardless of the risks or the danger this entails.



Note: Research indicates that psychopaths cannot be treated. So put up your guard and keep a healthy distance – and don’t ever form a relationship with them. defence.


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Yeah. And now is time for that to end.
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The majority must want it though, a small faction is not enough. They Illuminati have no problem stopping the false system if the people want it and I don't believe they do, most do not understand what it is to be without it and are afraid.
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They created the false system dumbass.

To bring us exactly to the point where at now.

So half-wits and sell-outs like you can then present them as our saviors.

Please do us all a favor and kill yourself.

Your either to stupid or too evil to tolerate.
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Big bump for truth.

OP is a jackass.
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Yeah. And now is time for that to end.
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The majority must want it though, a small faction is not enough. They Illuminati have no problem stopping the false system if the people want it and I don't believe they do, most do not understand what it is to be without it and are afraid.
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They created the false system dumbass.

To bring us exactly to the point where at now.

So half-wits and sell-outs like you can then present them as our saviors.

Please do us all a favor and kill yourself.

Your either to stupid or too evil to tolerate.
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They created the false system because people wanted it, you cannot survive outside of this matrix in the real world, you're like a cub without it's mother at this point.


You are an idiot because you don't look at the opposite side of the coin and listen to story without bias. When one looks at both sides you begin to realize that the Illuminati have been protecting us all along and without them you and I would have never existed and the human race would be extinct. There are no evil people, every evil-seeming person has a good side to balance out the evil and every good-seeming person has a evil side to balance out the good. Yin and Yang, life and death.
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well people want them to die of anal cancer

this is what people want... now please allow us to enjoy to see illuminati bleeding asses till they die

wait..why they are not complying with what people want?
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The majority must want it though, a small faction is not enough. They Illuminati have no problem stopping the false system if the people want it and I don't believe they do, most do not understand what it is to be without it and are afraid.
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They created the false system dumbass.

To bring us exactly to the point where at now.

So half-wits and sell-outs like you can then present them as our saviors.

Please do us all a favor and kill yourself.

Your either to stupid or too evil to tolerate.
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They created the false system because people wanted it, you cannot survive outside of this matrix in the real world, you're like a cub without it's mother at this point.


You are an idiot because you don't look at the opposite side of the coin and listen to story without bias. When one looks at both sides you begin to realize that the Illuminati have been protecting us all along and without them you and I would have never existed and the human race would be extinct. There are no evil people, every evil-seeming person has a good side to balance out the evil and every good-seeming person has a evil side to balance out the good. Yin and Yang, life and death.
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well people want them to die of anal cancer

this is what people want... now please allow us to enjoy to see illuminati bleeding asses till they die

wait..why they are not complying with what people want?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18496182


A bunch of conspiracy theorists aren't enough for them to step down and destroy the system. THE MAJORITY must want it, you are not part of the majority at ALL. Most people don't believe in the existence of the Illuminati and refuse to acknowledge it, they subconsciously now that if they do that it will bring the end to their way of life and the hard times will come, the famines will come, the droughts will come, etc.
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They created the false system dumbass.

To bring us exactly to the point where at now.

So half-wits and sell-outs like you can then present them as our saviors.

Please do us all a favor and kill yourself.

Your either to stupid or too evil to tolerate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814




They created the false system because people wanted it, you cannot survive outside of this matrix in the real world, you're like a cub without it's mother at this point.


You are an idiot because you don't look at the opposite side of the coin and listen to story without bias. When one looks at both sides you begin to realize that the Illuminati have been protecting us all along and without them you and I would have never existed and the human race would be extinct. There are no evil people, every evil-seeming person has a good side to balance out the evil and every good-seeming person has a evil side to balance out the good. Yin and Yang, life and death.
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well people want them to die of anal cancer

this is what people want... now please allow us to enjoy to see illuminati bleeding asses till they die

wait..why they are not complying with what people want?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18496182


A bunch of conspiracy theorists aren't enough for them to step down and destroy the system. THE MAJORITY must want it, you are not part of the majority at ALL. Most people don't believe in the existence of the Illuminati and refuse to acknowledge it, they subconsciously now that if they do that it will bring the end to their way of life and the hard times will come, the famines will come, the droughts will come, etc.
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know*
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Whatever. Illuminati just want to stay in control. You leave out how we were programmed to want the regrettable behavior in the first place, which is then used as an excuse to give us more of that behavior. I was shocked to get on the internet and find out how the world really worked and it affected my behavior in a positive way and still does. And so basically the Illuminated ones had zero to do with my progression as a person and in fact the control system held me back until I was able to get around it. I'm sure others feel the same way.

You can't manipulate people into a certain way of behaving (which coincidentally benefits tptb... actually not coincidentally), and then decry that behavior and blame them 100% for it. Yes, people are responsible for allowing themselves to be manipulated, for sure, but these social engineers want to be like the gods of religion....all credit to them and all the blame to everyone else. It just doesn't hold water. We can get around the control network now, and I'm sure tptb will try and step in front of that and control it and take credit for it, but I'm not sure how they can do so when they would have been perfectly content to give the people a lesser reality if that had been possible. See, it's all about what's possible with the global social engineers. If certain things aren't possible then they have to step their game up.... and then they'll take credit for reality improving, when in fact it was the people who demanded that the reality improve and the social engineers merely stepped in as leaders so to stay in control. You have it backwards. And I'm sure there are some in tptb that do in fact rise above this methodology, and so I shouldn't use sweeping rhetoric when addressing their group, but overall, we see the philosophies I described.

And yes, I know theoretically tptb could make the world much worse if they wanted to, and so perhaps we should say thanks that we haven't had 8 world wars already. But, I don't kill my neighbors.... are they supposed to thank me for that? Why thank people for doing the bare minimum?

Your assertions that people demand pollution, flouride, wars, etc. is largely just a justification for your own "do as thou wilt" methodology, and chalking up the human toll of those methods as a "sacrifice of the willing" and so in your mind it is perfectly okay. Well hey, nobody is a perfect angel and so anyone is capable of effecting others with their behavior. But, certainly some people have more honor and decency than others. And though everyone wants to be a success in life, for some the metric is more than just about wealth and power by any means. A perfect example is in the grocery store. Some companies are willing to offer us utter unhealthy garbage that's full of chemicals. Other companies offer healthier ingredients. All want to be successful, but the definition of success in their minds is obviously gauged a little differently, and some have a higher code of conduct than others. If people knew flouride was in their water all these years and what that meant.... would they still have demanded it? How can you rob them of that information in the first place and then blame them for it afterwards? It just doesn't hold water.

Yes, in the past we've had to put up with the methods you've described because not enough people were aware of what was happening in the world because information was so filtered. And, therefore companies and individuals that wanted to rise above the lowest denominator had trouble doing so because they were unable to tell people in mass about the sometimes nefarious practices of their competitors. And, so the pressure to sink to certain levels of behavior in order to survive as a business or an individual was much higher. But, those constraints are disappearing now, and so now that I'm able to bypass the controlled information matrix, I can see what products are healthy for me to buy and are environmentally friendly, etc. I can see how things work and make informed choices about policies and politicians. And so, reality will get better because of that knowledge, and not because of the people who tried to keep us from that knowledge, and who are now merely forced to acquiesce under it's pressure. You have it backwards.
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No no no, no one is programmed. You take a starving kid in Africa, you think he wants to hunt, cook, fend for himself? NO.

Most human beings want things easy. The Illuminati are some of the few who KNOW things aren't easy which is why chances are most of them aren't even born in the west, and if they are they grew up in terrible poor conditions. They are just here to make sure things run smoothly in your life. Would you be complaining about the Illuminati if you live in the 1800s? No, because they had all the resources to sustain the system. Now they are struggling and frantically searching for a way to help keep the system that keeps you alive. If it weren't for the Illuminati kids in wheel chairs would be dead thanks to natural selection. Tall people would be dead because they use too much ATP compared to their shorter counterparts. Stephen Hawking would have died, and his knowledge would have never been imparted upon the world.
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If the illuminati are here to help then they should release their information. Enlighten others. That would help me.
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The illuminati do not make up tptb. They are here so that when tshtf really they can stand by humanities ass and make sure our God given rights are not infringed upon. You choose to believe the utter nonsense that people who don't really know shove down your throats to hate people you come in contact daily for no reason. You are purposely made afraid of them so you cannot see or know reality. You are told these are tptb and in a way they are, but not in the sense as you have come to believe. They are watching, and waiting. They are passing the morals and values down to younger generations so that they always remain. Which is why they have such a bad rep. If tptb can make such a bad name for these people that no one wants to join then they can rid them of us. You can try to figure out who and what they really are but unless you join you can never know the truth because it is just not there for you to read or find online. Everything is hear-say and stories. It doesn't matter you will say I am wrong, you will say I am bad or I am stupid or I don't know what I'm talking about. The fact is you don't know what you are talking about.
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If the illuminati are here to help then they should release their information. Enlighten others. That would help me.
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Most humans can't handle the power of the Occult and would abuse it. I would not give an idiot a gun as I would not teach an idiot how to conjure. Which is why many of the great academies such as Platos required people to be smart for their time and physically fit. It is the reason why the knowledge has been held by priests and priestesses for so long.
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Yeah. And now is time for that to end.
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The majority must want it though, a small faction is not enough. They Illuminati have no problem stopping the false system if the people want it and I don't believe they do, most do not understand what it is to be without it and are afraid.
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They created the false system dumbass.

To bring us exactly to the point where at now.

So half-wits and sell-outs like you can then present them as our saviors.

Please do us all a favor and kill yourself.

Your either to stupid or too evil to tolerate.
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They created the false system because people wanted it, you cannot survive outside of this matrix in the real world, you're like a cub without it's mother at this point.


You are an idiot because you don't look at the opposite side of the coin and listen to story without bias. When one looks at both sides you begin to realize that the Illuminati have been protecting us all along and without them you and I would have never existed and the human race would be extinct. There are no evil people, every evil-seeming person has a good side to balance out the evil and every good-seeming person has a evil side to balance out the good. Yin and Yang, life and death.
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I totally believe this Concept - all "working systems" ARE opposing and DO allow to Cycle between the two or more opposing "sides" - BALANCE
It's almost here....
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The majority must want it though, a small faction is not enough. They Illuminati have no problem stopping the false system if the people want it and I don't believe they do, most do not understand what it is to be without it and are afraid.
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They created the false system dumbass.

To bring us exactly to the point where at now.

So half-wits and sell-outs like you can then present them as our saviors.

Please do us all a favor and kill yourself.

Your either to stupid or too evil to tolerate.
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They created the false system because people wanted it, you cannot survive outside of this matrix in the real world, you're like a cub without it's mother at this point.


You are an idiot because you don't look at the opposite side of the coin and listen to story without bias. When one looks at both sides you begin to realize that the Illuminati have been protecting us all along and without them you and I would have never existed and the human race would be extinct. There are no evil people, every evil-seeming person has a good side to balance out the evil and every good-seeming person has a evil side to balance out the good. Yin and Yang, life and death.
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I totally believe this Concept - all "working systems" ARE opposing and DO allow to Cycle between the two or more opposing "sides" - BALANCE
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EXACTLY. I can choose to be good one month and choose to be evil the next. You will not be stuck in evil forever if you don't want to, there is always allowance to cycle between because you have both inside you.
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They created the false system dumbass.

To bring us exactly to the point where at now.

So half-wits and sell-outs like you can then present them as our saviors.

Please do us all a favor and kill yourself.

Your either to stupid or too evil to tolerate.
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They created the false system because people wanted it, you cannot survive outside of this matrix in the real world, you're like a cub without it's mother at this point.


You are an idiot because you don't look at the opposite side of the coin and listen to story without bias. When one looks at both sides you begin to realize that the Illuminati have been protecting us all along and without them you and I would have never existed and the human race would be
extinct. There are no evil people, every evil-seeming person has a good side to balance out the evil and every good-seeming person has a evil side to balance out the good. Yin and Yang, life and death.
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I totally believe this Concept - all "working systems" ARE opposing and DO allow to Cycle between the two or more opposing "sides" - BALANCE
 Quoting: DoomGod


EXACTLY. I can choose to be good one month and choose to be evil the next. You will not be stuck in evil forever if you don't want to, there is always allowance to cycle between because you have both inside you.
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But that is not the way of the illuminati. They strive to be good people all of the time. You are encouraged to look to your brotherhood for help if you are having issues with being a good person. Everything is done for the betterment of the whole, not the self. Working at good works for the whole intern rewards the self, there is no other way.
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Within all factions there exist the good and the bad. It what evolves when factions cover-up for their own self-interest. They dare not expose their own wrongs for fear of becoming inconsequential, or fear of losing prestige, status or worst. Sooner or later however things hidden come to Light.

It is for nobody to judge.
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The Illuminati are good, they are not here to hurt you, they are here to sustain the system you want so badly. You are irresponsible, the Illuminati are essentially your obedient caretakers.


People choose to fight wars, people choose believe the lies and say "OH IT WAS JUST AN ORDER FROM THE BRASS, I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE AT ALL" when you are 100% at fault for the horrors you commit.

They start the wars because you want the wars and to sustain your false reality by taking resources from other countries. You elect officials to do your bidding, like declaring wars for you so you can pretend like you don't want it (though the majority admit to wanting it and ask for you, most conspiracy theorists pretend they don't want it, there a few who don't really want it but accept what's going on around them)


The people chose to buy big expensive cars with money they don't have and haven't worked for (loans), people chose to watch TV, people demand the nasty products. People demand to be lied to, people are not capable of handling the truth and never have been. No matter how much you convince yourself you seek the truth you want someone to lie and deceive you and they give what you ask of them. People want CNN and Fox news. You want to be able to complain about it, you want to not be responsible for your own actions by saying "HEY HE'S PRESENTING ME THIS SO IT MUST BE HIS FAULT" when you're the one who can deny it, it's a choice to accept lies. You chose to live in this false reality, and the Illuminati have given it to the people what they have asked, it allows you to feel like there is no risk in living which is a complete lie.


People demand pollution, people demand coke to pollute their bodies, people demand fluoride, people demand the destruction of the rain forests, etc.
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this rationale breaks down at this point: not all the people are as you describe.
There is and has been a minority that think for themselves. They are outnumbered by the masses - who often crucify them.
The Illuminati make no provision for the man that thinks for himself.
So that is a sin because its not their Karma to live in such a rat hole.
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If the illuminati are here to help then they should release their information. Enlighten others. That would help me.
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Most humans can't handle the power of the Occult and would abuse it. I would not give an idiot a gun as I would not teach an idiot how to conjure. Which is why many of the great academies such as Platos required people to be smart for their time and physically fit. It is the reason why the knowledge has been held by priests and priestesses for so long.
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I disagree. Even if you were right, they could still use their super awesome powers to actually do something. Since when is education a bad thing? Knowledge is power. That's why it's been kept to only the highest of priests, whatever.

You can teach them plenty of things without giving it all away if you wanted. I'm just a fan of giving it all away. Let all roads be known. Or at least navigable/accessable.
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The more important question, however, is WHY does the Illuminati want to sustain and help you?
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OP you seriously suck... the best thing you can do is apologize and leave...
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If the illuminati are here to help then they should release their information. Enlighten others. That would help me.
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Most humans can't handle the power of the Occult and would abuse it. I would not give an idiot a gun as I would not teach an idiot how to conjure. Which is why many of the great academies such as Platos required people to be smart for their time and physically fit. It is the reason why the knowledge has been held by priests and priestesses for so long.
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I disagree. Even if you were right, they could still use their super awesome powers to actually do something. Since when is education a bad thing? Knowledge is power. That's why it's been kept to only the highest of priests, whatever.

You can teach them plenty of things without giving it all away if you wanted. I'm just a fan of giving it all away. Let all roads be known. Or at least navigable/accessable.
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Magick does not work how you think. They would have no power, you need to have will and years of dedication and training, if they aren't smart the training will still do no good. Magick takes time to affect, it's not poof it happens 1.2.3 there's a lot of philosophy and science that is behind it. And then you will have people hurting eachother for power. Most Humans cannot be trusted, humans are naturally chaotic creatures, not evil but chaotic.
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If the illuminati are here to help then they should release their information. Enlighten others. That would help me.
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Most humans can't handle the power of the Occult and would abuse it. I would not give an idiot a gun as I would not teach an idiot how to conjure. Which is why many of the great academies such as Platos required people to be smart for their time and physically fit. It is the reason why the knowledge has been held by priests and priestesses for so long.
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I disagree. Even if you were right, they could still use their super awesome powers to actually do something. Since when is education a bad thing? Knowledge is power. That's why it's been kept to only the highest of priests, whatever.

You can teach them plenty of things without giving it all away if you wanted. I'm just a fan of giving it all away. Let all roads be known. Or at least navigable/accessable.
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Oh and I almost forgot we do give out hints and little bits in pieces in Occult books that you can buy at the book store. Most of it is loaded with garbage and you have to find the little useful bits. The lodges and orders have been releasing the information slowly. You can watch movies that have to do with Ying and Yang principles and how the energy is worked. Dragon Ball Z, Star Wars, etc. show these principles but the people do not realize it.
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OK. If you are right, I need some serious cash and will do whatever they need of me within reason.

So help me or quit lying.





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