I'd be willing to bet that Kate Middleton will conceive or have her first child in December 2012 and they might announce it at 2012 Olympics

Most people think that the Mayan long count calendar places the end of the age on december 21, 2012. but, that is not necessarily accurate. it actually predicts the return of Quezocoatl (sp?)

2012 Mayan prophecy and the return of the Gods

There is discussion about the date of the 'return of the gods', the calculation on modern calendars. But one thing, as Erich von Däneken has noted, is remarkable. On the most-mentioned date of 22 December 2012, the Earth's axis is positioned exactly in the centre of the milky-way. Due to a phenomenon called 'precession', this does not happen very often, in fact it will be the first time since 25,771.5 years. The ancient civilizations of Mesoamerica could not have known that. But they did, and they were not the only ones. There is evidence that the ancient Egyptians (for example in the Karnak and Dendera temples) and Sumerians knew about it as well. Evidence from the same time when the Maya and comparable calendars have their starting point..

Quetzalcoatl (or Kukulcan) was the deity of light and duality and the creator of civilization. The name Quetzalcoatl comes from the Nahuatl language and means "feathered-serpent". Quetzalcoatl was related to gods of the wind, of Venus, of the dawn, of merchants and of arts, crafts and knowledge. He was also the patron god of the Aztec priesthood, of learning and knowledge. He is usually depicted half-bird, half-snake. Or, as some say, as an astronaut in a sophisticated space-suit.

Quetzalcoatl is said to return 'with his children'. It can be just ancient myth or religion, but the ancient civilizations of Meso-America had a lot of knowledge of astronomy. There can well be a lot more to it than that. Perhaps the original form or knowledge was lost, and we see only a glimpse of the original through the Maya heritage. Who Quetzalcoatl and his company will turn out to be, remains hard to determine for the moment.

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2012 - Is This The Year When Antichrist Might Arise?
What Is So Special About 2012?

This is the year in which the ancient, pagan Mayan Calendar changes to a New Age, an age in which a Messiah is supposed to arise. Listen to the official write-up from a New Age website.

"“It is my great honor and privilege as Master Quetzalcoatl to return to Earth in this overt fashion to spearhead so to speak and bring to your attention the I AM University End of the Mayan Calendar and Countdown Project! As you might know, I Am Quetzalcoatl, Grand Master of the Mayan days … You all know that the Mayan calendar as has been channeled and introduced to the Earth in the Ancient Days from Higher Cosmic Sources, ends in the year 2012 – on December 21st at 21:21:59 pm to be precise. This exact date and time marks the Official Ending of the Kali Yuga or Dark Age and the Official Birth of the Age of the Christ / Buddha / Krishna / Mohammed / Moses, and God! It is December 21st 2012 at 22:00 pm which marks the Official Return or Second Coming of the Christ, Imam Mahdi, Buddha Maitreya, Kalki Avatar, Great Tao, and Messiah!”

(“Channeled Message of Master Quetzalcoatl on the I AM University End of the Mayan Calendar and Birth of the Golden Age Project!”, I AM University, [link to www.iamuniversity.ch] )

Notice that this Mayan Messiah, whose name is "Master Quetzalcoatl", is going to claim to be the "Christ Consciousness Spirit" which inhabited all the original founders of all the major religions since the dawn of Civilization: "Christ / Buddha / Krishna / Mohammed / Moses"

Then, just to make it all-encompassing, he throws in "God". The New Age Maitreya the Christ plans to make the same claim! In fact, Master Quetzalcoatl and Master Maitreya will be one and the same person! He will be the Antichrist of the Bible!

Notice, also, that Master Quetzalcoatl is also claiming to be God, as he uses the Biblical words denoting God, 'I AM', the same words Jesus used to refer to Himself as God! But, why should we be surprised, since the Bible prophecies:

"And the king shall do according to his will; he shall exalt himself and magnify himself above every god and shall speak astonishing things against the God of gods and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished, for that which is determined by God shall be done." (Daniel 11:36, Parallel Bible, KJV/Amplified Bible Commentary)

I find this use of the words, "I AM" by the demon master behind Master Quetzalcoatl very 'astonishing', don't you?

That means she would be around 3 1/2 months pregnant now. And in recent pictures, she doesn't look like she is carrying. One month pregnant would mean she would be due in February, if she were to carry to full term.

If she were pregnant, there would have been an official announcement by now or even some hint by the british press that she was, as far as I know , no speculation or such announcement exists

Meaning your thread has no validity and is completely pointless

the title of the thread is "I'D BE WILLING TO BET...."

and according to that article (weak source, i admit) she got pregnant april/may. that puts her giving birth dec/jan


its just a hunch.

The House of Windsor

The time in which a knowledgeable Christian will make a discerning decision regarding the identity of the man who will be Antichrist will be before he is arisen; and, this knowledge beforehand will require Biblical discernment, knowledge of Scripture, and a series of calculations! With this point made to me by a pastor, I bought Antichrist And A Cup of Tea and began to read, albeit still with a high degree of skepticism. About three-fourths of the way through this book, I set it down and said to myself, "All right, I have seen enough calculations and discerning facts to convince me: Antichrist will arise from the House of Windsor. If the timing is soon, Prince Charles will be that man; if the timing is delayed, Prince William will be Antichrist. However, Prince William must turns 30, which is the Jewish minimum age for a man to be a Rabbi. Williams turns 30 on 2012. Since the Illuminati always has a "Plan A" and a "Plan B", this scenario could be very probable.

When does Prince William turn 30 years of age? On June 21, 2012!

Therefore, if Prince William is to be Antichrist, he must be able to convince the jewish people he is their Messiah. The prophetic fact means he must be at least 30 years old before he arises.

Finally, I realized during the reading of this book something which had totally escaped my awareness: that most important prophecy of Daniel 9:26-27 states that Antichrist shall be a "Prince"!! He is not foretold to be a king, but a Prince! Therefore, it may be highly significant prophetically that Charles is not a king, nor may he ever be a king; he may always be a Prince, but we shall get to this point in a short while.

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***** I don't think Prince William is a candidate for anti-christ, but i bet his son is...****

Ya mean Quetzalcotl is the Anti-Christ?
And that this baby will be Him?
Shame that I won´t live to see him grow up & reign.
Not that I like his trix so much, but hey it only will occur once in our whole human evolotion!

Thnx Op for this thread.
May peace be with you!

Ummm... December is 6 months away. Six months plus one month only makes seven months, not the normal nine months.

So wouldn't the birth date be around 25 February, 2013?

Yes, but your still wrong. A baby conceived April/may is would be born January/February carried to term. But please, go on, your posts are thoroughly entertaining.

i miss counted. if she got pregnant in April/May, that puts the birth late december/early jan

look, i have a hunch. i don't care what the weekly world news says as far as conception date.

i can see that this subject upsets you. not sure why.... wait, i think i know...

2012 – Return of Quetzalcoatl, and the Wrath of Satan

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from the above link:

Other Calendars and Predictions

“The Aztec saw the same thing, a flying serpent, Quetzalcoatl,” Horn said, adding, “their calendar ends in 2012.”

He says the Kali Yuga calendar of the Hindus forecasts global changes around 2012.

Horn says 38 years ago, when scientists Terrence and Dennis McKenna created a stock-market-like linear graph based on the “I-Ching,” the timeline abruptly plunged off the graph into infinity on precisely Dec. 21, 2012.

“This finding is all the more astonishing given that McKenna's research was published in 1973 independent of any knowledge of the ending date in the Mayan calendar,” Horn declared.

Meanwhile, the Zohar, a collection of books in the mystical Jewish Kabbalah that first debuted in Spain in the 13th century, talks about the coming of the Messiah at the same general time the other calendars forecast the end.

It predicts in late 2012, “All the kings of the world will assemble in the great city of Rome, and the Holy One will shower on them fire and hail and meteoric stones until they are all destroyed, with the exception of those who will not yet have arrived there. These will commence anew to make other wars. From that time the Mashiach (Messiah) will begin to declare himself, and round him there will be gathered many nations and many hosts from the uttermost ends of the Earth.”

Horn says, “Given the rejection of Jesus by orthodox jewish people as Messiah, this coming could herald the coming of Antichrist in 2012.”

continued:

Pagan Sun Worship and America

What's perhaps most fascinating is Horn's discussion of what could be the mother of all conspiracy theories, dating back to the Bible's Book of Genesis, involving Noah's great grandson Nimrod, who not only built the famous Tower of Babel, but is the “mighty hunter” who scholars believe became worshipped as the sun god, with names such as Osiris in Egypt and Apollo in Greece.

Horn says from deepest antiquity, a plot involving pagan sun-worshippers, America's Founding Fathers, Masons and Freemasons has apparently been in the works, culminating in the end time with the return or resurrection of an evil, supernatural being. That character may actually be pictured as the all-seeing eye on top of the uncapped pyramid on the Great Seal of the United States, found on the back of a $1 bill.

Others have speculated the eye on top of the pyramid could be a representation of Jesus Christ, since the Bible notes, “The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone.” (Psalm 118:22 New International Version).

The date at the base of the pyramid is 1776, which is not only the year the Declaration of Independence was signed, but also the beginning of a new Mayan “katun,” a time period of 19.7 years. If each of the 13 levels of the pyramid on the Great Seal represents one of these time periods, the top level would mark the year 2012.

The Latin phrase “Novus ordo seclorum” is part of the American seal, and translates to “New order of the ages,” which some fear is what many U.S. presidents, including George Herbert Walker Bush, allude to when they use the phrase, “New World Order.”

Other strange connections to the United States include the Frieze of American History, a painted panorama at the U.S. Capitol. Among the artwork is “Cortez and Montezuma at Mexican Temple” by Italian artist Constantino Brumidi.

Nope... Quetzalcoatl returns on the scorp/sagg cusp... 13th zodiac!

explain?

Ophiuchus is Quetzalcoatl.. Quetzalcoatl represents the coming of rain and the last harvest, which is between October and November.

A Matter of Chronology

According to Archbishop Usher’s chronology, Adam and Eve were created in 4,004 B.C. Adam and Eve disobeyed God (sinned and cut themselves off from God) in the Garden of Eden exactly seven years after they were created according to the book of Jubilees which would be year 3,997 B.C.
According to ancient Biblical interpretation, God has given mankind 6,000 years to live on the earth, before the Kingdom of God will arrive – a thousand years for each of the six days of creation (see II Peter 3:8-10). Our article, “Does God Have a 6,000 Year Plan?” goes into this subject thoroughly.

If we count 6,000 years from 4004 B.C. we come to 1997 A.D If we count from 3997 B.C., the year of the transgression, then we come to 2004 A.D. But a strange prophecy in Isaiah 38 seems to indicate that God has given the world an extra “fifteen years” before His day of judgment will arrive! This is based on the 15 additional years God gave king Hezekiah to live, after notifying him he would die (Isaiah 38).

See our article, “Is God Adding 15 Years Till the Coming of the Messiah?” . Counting from Creation in 4,004 B.C., the year 2012 is fifteen years from 1997. Is this then, a year of transition, beginning the transition to the end of this age and the world of tomorrow?

If the Isaiah 38 prophecy about Hezekiah’s added fifteen years refers is based on the 6,000 year period which started from the year of Adam and Eve’s transgression in 3997 B.C., then 15 years added to 2004 A.D. would bring us to 2019 A.D. – exactly seven years from now!

This would make Daniel’s seventieth week, or the final week of years of this age, to be from 2012 to 2019! This means the final Great Tribulation is scheduled to begin THIS VERY YEAR! This year is very likely the beginning of Daniel’s 70th week prophecy!

Fifteen years added to 2004 A. D. will be the year 2018-2019 depending whether we count inclusively or exclusively. If 2012 begins the 70th week of Daniel, the seventh inclusive year will be 2018 (beginning with 2012 as year 1). Counting exclusively, the first year of the count would be 2013 and the seventh year would be 2019.

There are many examples in the Bible that are counted inclusively, for example counting the Omer from Passover. The count begins with Nisan 16. Inclusive counting means counting beginning with the first day after Passover on Nisan 16. Beginning with the next day would be called exclusive counting. The time begins with 2012 which is the end point from 1997. It was seven years after Adam and Eve were put in the Garden of Eden that they sinned, as the book of Jubilees says so very plainly. Taking that fact into account then the 6,000 years ended in 2004. Adding fifteen years to 2004 A.D. will come to 2019 seven years from now.

With these things in mind, it is very interesting to me that the Mayan calendar does say that the calendar of time ends on December 21, 2012 which is the winter solstice this very year. Thomas Horn has written a book on this. He says, ‘the Mayans understood the progression of the Equinox basically not to end but to roll over—start over (a new beginning) on December 2012. Their prophets coupled that date with unrest in the earth, after which a new form of man would appear on the earth, plus the return of their dragon god which is a flying serpent who has the power of the air.”

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It doesn't upset me at all, it bothers me when people post outrageous bullshit and other people buy into it, especially when:

A) when you clearly state you are going on a hunch
B) you cant get do the correct math from conception to birth
C) quoting a newspaper infamous for posting stories on bigfoot, aliens and batboy.

well, according to the Maya and ancient Mexican writings, it is december 21, 2012 when Quetzalcoatl will return.

lighten up. i don't care what the tabloid says. i'm telling you that if my hunch is correct, she will give birth to a child in late december/early jan.

Well,.. The Mayan calendar translation is wrong because it ends on october 28th

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Bump for truthfighter, the Sword of Michael.

maybe it will be premature?

...and to further predict this, i bet they announce it at the london olympics.

I thought she was pregnant a while ago? Her first solo public appearance or something there were rumors of her being pregnant. So far as size goes, that's ridiculous. 3 months doesn't always show. I never heard she got pregnant a month ago, but if she had, she'd be ~6 weeks. The weeks go by the last period start date, not point of conception. 40 weeks from day of period.

The future hasnt happened yet. I cant believe Im saying this, Metaphorically she could die tomorrow in a million ways, you could kill her. Understand? your suggesting a linear, definitive future. The future is free for what each decides, that basically stops your theory before you. . . .

i disagree. we are in linear time for now. saturn is the device that keeps us in linear time.

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