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Notes from an "alternate universe": July 18, 2012 - The Return of the Gods

 
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If perception/thought process is provided by the dark mind, in what way is the bargaining implemented?

If the bargaining is a stage prior to that (before the Dark Mind implements the rules), does it happen outside of thought and/or there's a reasoning thoughtless mind able to agree on a bargain?
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I made a post, above on this page, regarding the nature of creational bargains, maybe you could check that one out.

We can approach this a little bit again (i'll have to write about some subjects i was keeping for later, it might even be a good time to introduce them):

To the point where we realized that where Free Will is allowed into Creation, the possibility of darkness manifests, and so the dark mind is summoned to "judge" the possibility of the polarized multiverse.

This leads to darkness offering "judgment"/thought process to the dark mind, with the light's blessing, because the light also understands that, if darkness's properties are applied without rules (structure), over the reality engine, then Creation will be unable to provide possibility to cooperation between light and darkness.

[snip]
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What I am not clear about is, if the thought process is provided by the dark mind, does the light have an independent (beyond thought/thoughtless) way of reasoning?

A bargain makes me think of two parties being able to discern in order to come to an agreement. Some sort of Grand Thought Process possessed by Absolute Goodness, so it can bargain with darkness.

I am trying to come to terms with this "bargain" concept.
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What I am not clear about is, if the thought process is provided by the dark mind, does the light have an independent (beyond thought/thoughtless) way of reasoning?

A bargain makes me think of two parties being able to discern in order to come to an agreement. Some sort of Grand Thought Process possessed by Absolute Goodness, so it can bargain with darkness.

I am trying to come to terms with this "bargain" concept.
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Yes. I mentioned that alot in previous posts, that the light is also provided of its own primitive 'reasoning' process where bargaining events occur.

It is mandatory for it to allow itself into creation.

A very raw, flawed brand of judgement/thought process (it is more like a creational impulse),though (which is the reason it gets exploited over and over).


The 'light' is the same as Absolute Goodness.
So it allows only Absolute Goodness into creation.
This is its own form of judgement/thought: expressing Absolute Goodness. Needless to say how exploitable this principle is.

This is why Free Will is the 'bug' in creation.
Because it has been deemed as Absolutely Good by the light.

Once Free Will exists Absolute Goodness is no longer possible, and so there is a contradiction in the light creation, because it will then have to either accept the possibility of darkness, or deem Free Will as NOT Absolutely Good.

So the light (which has deemed Free Will as Absolutely Good) finds itself trapped into having to allow evil, if it wants to express the 'greater possible good' (which is allowing Free Will).

This 'greater possible good' creational impulse has lead it to absolute exploitation in bargaining (rule defining events), against the advanced form of judgement presented by the dark mind.

The bargaining system should get very simple, once we realize that we exist in a stable, structured POLARIZED multiverse. If there is structure there are rules. The rest we should be able to validate.
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What I am not clear about is, if the thought process is provided by the dark mind, does the light have an independent (beyond thought/thoughtless) way of reasoning?

A bargain makes me think of two parties being able to discern in order to come to an agreement. Some sort of Grand Thought Process possessed by Absolute Goodness, so it can bargain with darkness.

I am trying to come to terms with this "bargain" concept.
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Yes. I mentioned that alot in previous posts, that the light is also provided of its own primitive 'reasoning' process where bargaining events occur.

It is mandatory for it to allow itself into creation.

A very raw, flawed brand of judgement/thought process (it is more like a creational impulse),though (which is the reason it gets exploited over and over).


The 'light' is the same as Absolute Goodness.
So it allows only Absolute Goodness into creation.
This is its own form of judgement/thought: expressing Absolute Goodness. Needless to say how exploitable this principle is.

This is why Free Will is the 'bug' in creation.
Because it has been deemed as Absolutely Good by the light.

Once Free Will exists Absolute Goodness is no longer possible, and so there is a contradiction in the light creation, because it will then have to either accept the possibility of darkness, or deem Free Will as NOT Absolutely Good.

So the light (which has deemed Free Will as Absolutely Good) finds itself trapped into having to allow evil, if it wants to express the 'greater possible good' (which is allowing Free Will).

This 'greater possible good' creational impulse has lead it to absolute exploitation in bargaining (rule defining events), against the advanced form of judgement presented by the dark mind.

The bargaining system should get very simple, once we realize that we exist in a stable, structured POLARIZED multiverse. If there is structure there are rules. The rest we should be able to validate.
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Alright, so where there is a possibility of creation, the light will allow it. The possibility of creation allows for the creation of destructive forces, because it's not the result the light is concerned with, it's the creative urge. The dark mind negotiates with the light by pointing out additional possibility that is absolute good within the realms that are subject to polarity?
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Hi Guys, I've got lost with this new turn of conversation because there's too much text for me :(

If anyone wanted to summarise in plain English I would be very appreciative because I can see that it's good stuff!
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Alright, so where there is a possibility of creation, the light will allow it. The possibility of creation allows for the creation of destructive forces, because it's not the result the light is concerned with, it's the creative urge. The dark mind negotiates with the light by pointing out additional possibility that is absolute good within the realms that are subject to polarity?
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Your post as a whole is considered true, after validation.

I'd just like to add a few notes:

As you state, the light is a simple principle, it is only concerned with this urge to achieve Absolute Goodness (where Free Will does not exist) or the "Greatest Possible Good" (where Free Will exists) in Creation.

This still includes being concerned with the end results of bargaining, though.
In truth, that is exactly one of its main flaws.

It is so focused with achieving the "Greatest Possible Good" end result of each creational bargain, that it forgets that it is always further entrapped in polarity and that darkness has overwhelmed Creation with its own systems and cycles.

Since the dark mind knows exactly how the bargaining system works (the system is designed by itself, where both the light and darkness recognize that creation can't just be the sum of two separate creations (if Free Will is to be properly experienced by creation) (mainly because of darkness's self destructing nature) (we should realize the amount of times we exploit darkness's self destructing nature, so that you can see the importance of erasing the "Evil as a Privation of Good" mindset)), it also knows how to exploit it to its own interests.

We should really understand why this happens and the flaws in the light's judgment.
It all happens because basically the light is not allowed to predict or make decisions based on how Citizens drive their Free Will.

This means that the light's way to create reality (or allow itself into it, in the context of polarity) doesn't allow itself to speculate about how Free Will is going to be used.

This is easy to understand, because if the light (Absolute Goodness) has deemed Free Will as Absolute Good creation, it is then not logically possible that it engages in conditioning Free Willed Creation to act in a specific way, by reasoning about Free Will where constructing reality. For the light, this would be the same as not allowing Free Will
.

This is where it is cheated by the dark mind.
The dark mind, in its turn, does this all the time (conditioning Free Willed existence forms), through deceiving ways.
It does this alot by exploiting the effect of Greed (which is a direct result from the many hierarchical power systems implemented by darkness) over Free Willed consciousness units.
Also of course, its own illusions make it almost impossible for citizens to claim their Free Will.

So back to the point:
The light is not going to be reasoning about how darkness deceives citizens who follow the Matter cycle, so that they end up experiencing very evil reality paths like our own.
It is not allowed to reason about darkness's plans to have its agents implement countless New World Order systems (monetary, political, social, religious systems), which are capable of messing alot with Citizens' Free Will, where they follow the Matter cycle.

In this case it will not be allowed to reason about anything, except that the Matter cycle can truly be used as a learning experience, if citizens Free Will it to be so.


We can also validate that perception/thought process is handled to consciousness units, so that they can judge/discern over Free Will, thus successfully merging light and darkness.
This is considered the basis of structured coexistence between light and darkness
.

This is the same as saying every singleton point of Eternal Consciousness, is already intermingled with polarity successfully, where it has the freedom to choose darkness, and the engine (the dark mind) is able to handle it.

"The dark mind negotiates with the light by pointing out additional possibility that is absolute good within the realms that are subject to polarity?"

Yes, this is very true.

So the light (if it wants Free Will to be possible) has to allow its own cooperation with darkness in creation.

Once darkness is allowed into Creation, Absolute Goodness is not possible, only the "Greatest Possible Good" is possible.

The "Greatest Possible Good" then becomes Absolute Goodness itself, where in the context of polarity.

The "Greatest Possible Good" is then equivalent to what you refer to as "absolute good within the realms that are subject to polarity", or to what i usually refer to as "absolute goodness in the context of polarity".

This is where the dark mind comes up with the reality systems it has elaborated.
It then provides them to the light, as if it was all 50-50 in benefits.
This, the light buys easily, because it is not capable of running away from the "Greater Possible Good" and is always forced to allow the existence of evil.
In addition, the light can't speculate about how citizens will drive their Free Will.

This is all the same as where we get oral/written language or time measurement systems, for example (which are provided by darkness).
It allows us many good things (so that it all seems very useful at first sight), but what about the bad things (like (in written language) the regular inability to describe esoteric concepts, or the massive corruption of texts etc) ?

All reality systems are carefully analyzed (during the bargaining process) by the dark mind. It all has to benefit fueling of the multiverse for like 90% and the light for like 10% and not 50-50.

This is the mission of Logos (which also deems Free Will as Absolute Good).
Showing citizens how they are exploited in the multiverse, thus allowing them to really experience Free Will, the way they are supposed to, and not be falling for darkness's illusions.


PS > I can tell that people here are showing very good results, with the usage of the Logos's Framework.
Even when i find them to have missed some bits of documents, they seem to get to the same results (which indicates they are using the Framework for themselves).
It should all be very natural, very soon, this is really much simpler than it seems.
It is way more difficult (even while utilizing the Logos's power over written language) to put these concepts to written words (with all the handicaps in written language), than it is to understand/utilize them.
We still have to begin somewhere though, so that you are able to execute the brain functions properly, and learn how to feed the functions with the proper parameter objects (illusions erased).
We should have some time.
This will be fun.
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We should have some time.
This will be fun.
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Another great post. Thanks!

Why do you say "time" here? Are you saying so with a knowledge of the illusion? Like, we are still living in the Matter Cycle, even as we know it's a thought? Is this the goal?

Yes, it IS fun!!
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[snip]
We should have some time.
This will be fun.
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Another great post. Thanks!

Why do you say "time" here? Are you saying so with a knowledge of the illusion? Like, we are still living in the Matter Cycle, even as we know it's a thought? Is this the goal?

Yes, it IS fun!!
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In the current state of our reality path (following the Matter cycle), we are subject to the Grand Illusion of Time ( through its bond to the Grand Illusion of Matter (chronological time)), even though we have validated that chronos itself is an illusion.

The Grand Illusion of Matter by itself (through the human brain's perception filtering process), makes things very tough for consciousness units to build up the logical steps required for erasure of the illusions.
It's like the "keys" are well hidden in the sands.

We need to follow chronos' rules where we build up the logical path for it to get erased from our reasoning.
That is, and will be, until we finish recursively dismissing him (by erasing all aspects of the Grand Illusion of Matter from our reasoning), where the fracturing of the Matter cycle occurs.

The "some time" represents the logical evolution in citizens' perception state, while following chronos rules, and exploiting/breaking them while inside the Matter cycle.

It is "some chronos" to the "end of chronos".
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I overlooked this video showing a second object in the sky that looks like a spinning cube -- or as someone somewhere else called it: a spinning tetrahedron.

And whose signature is punctuated by a tetrahedron?

I miss chaol.

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[snip]

This means that the light's way to create reality (or allow itself into it, in the context of polarity) doesn't allow itself to speculate about how Free Will is going to be used.

This is easy to understand, because if the light (Absolute Goodness) has deemed Free Will as Absolute Good creation, it is then not logically possible that it engages in conditioning Free Willed Creation to act in a specific way, by reasoning about Free Will where constructing reality. For the light, this would be the same as not allowing Free Will
.

[snip]
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@1466619
thank you again for your great posts.
Several things are clearer now.

In a way, this creates a loophole, in which the light always has to accept what the dark mind proposes for the creation of a polarized multiverse draw. Negating even the slightest thing would imply for the light that it is tampering with Free Will.

Because of that loophole, there is no true bargain, in the way we intend it (parties reaching a compromise/agreement, after evaluating the pros and cons).

The light basks in a state of atonement, with the sole purpose of expressing Absolute Goodness (and in the case of a polarized environment, its closest thing, the Greater Possible Good). From the moment that Free Will is deemed Absolute Good, it has to be implemented so that nothing is ever denied (else, it would be coerced to comply to something and would no longer be "free".

All and everything the light can ever do, is be in a state of acceptance, happy to do so and basking in bliss.

If that is so, then the dark mind, does not need to negotiate, it only needs to propose the rules for the polarized multiverse and each specific draw, which will then be automatically accepted by the cooperating light.

The dark mind runs the engine of creation in absolute freedom and full control. It knows that it cannot self-destruct, because of the light cooperating into it (polarization), and is let free to pursue every infinite nuance of environment within polarization.

Denying any fragment, lessening any rule, would make the Free Will system implode.

In other words, I don't see the negotiation factor. Am I missing something?
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@1466619
thank you again for your great posts.
Several things are clearer now.

In a way, this creates a loophole, in which the light always has to accept what the dark mind proposes for the creation of a polarized multiverse draw. Negating even the slightest thing would imply for the light that it is tampering with Free Will.

Because of that loophole, there is no true bargain, in the way we intend it (parties reaching a compromise/agreement, after evaluating the pros and cons).

The light basks in a state of atonement, with the sole purpose of expressing Absolute Goodness (and in the case of a polarized environment, its closest thing, the Greater Possible Good). From the moment that Free Will is deemed Absolute Good, it has to be implemented so that nothing is ever denied (else, it would be coerced to comply to something and would no longer be "free".

All and everything the light can ever do, is be in a state of acceptance, happy to do so and basking in bliss.

If that is so, then the dark mind, does not need to negotiate, it only needs to propose the rules for the polarized multiverse and each specific draw, which will then be automatically accepted by the cooperating light.

The dark mind runs the engine of creation in absolute freedom and full control. It knows that it cannot self-destruct, because of the light cooperating into it (polarization), and is let free to pursue every infinite nuance of environment within polarization.

Denying any fragment, lessening any rule, would make the Free Will system implode.

In other words, I don't see the negotiation factor. Am I missing something?
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Indeed, in many ways it is similar to what you state.


(Inside the bargaining context)The light has still bargained in ways that benefit citizens though, hence the negotiation/bargaining factor (this happens because the light doesn't allow reality systems to be evil to their core (for it to allow its own inclusion in reality)).

The bargaining process has slightly different rules (firstly because it begins with Free Willed Eternal Consciousness (and not consciousness units), because it is where the dark mind (with help of both creational principles) defines all possible RULES of creation.

These rules, (including the existence of consciousness units/perception) ended up allowing consciousness units to Free Will the perception of any multiverse draw within the polarized multiverse (this is the way the dark mind conjured for a healthy cooperation between light and darkness).

The light's beacon always shines inside the bargaining events, even if it is exploited by the dark mind.
It's just that darkness always corrupts the well-intended systems.

We also exploit the dark mind by understanding the way the light has bargained, and then by using the light's properties over Creation to our own benefit.

I will give you one example of this: the Logos's framework relies on us having validated that, where we operate with infinite object variables (like pushing creation to its backward timeless limit, or defining evil as self-destructive(in its absolute limit)), we are allowed to validate the structure of the multiverse.

This is true, because we have validated that the multiverse is structured, and not chaotic.

This multiverse draw independent rule(structure), is handled to us by Eternal Consciousness (the light).
In fact, it is a very well intentioned rule.

Structure/Logic is brought by the light (in bargaining), so that it can contain darkness' chaotic properties.

Now just realize the amazing amount of corrupted systems we know (monetary system, mathematics, science, numerology, karma etc), which are based on the possibility of Logic/structure, and are really flawed and corrupted.


You understand now why Science and Religion drive everyone away from true Logic, and why darkness loves to implement these systems ?

Science always needs observation as proof. Scientists are really very focused on observing Matter so that they can make proof of their theories.

Of course we know Matter is an illusion and they are getting deceived.
So science itself uses logic, but it is a different type of logic. It uses the structural form of the Grand Illusion of Matter (all creation is structured), which is an illusion. Of course this is an extremely error prone process, which ends up with citizens getting deceived the hard way.

In addition, most religions just drive people completely away from Logic to the "esoteric" belief in "We need to love God, because otherwise he won't love us and we'r d00md" bullcrap field.

Both of those brands of thought process (scientific and religious) will just drive you away from Logos and from breaking the Matter cycle.

Ok, so it's not really that the dark mind is doing everything it wants, where the bargaining process occurs.

It's more like it is currently exploiting all the originally well-intended systems to its own fueling interests, by spreading corruption through its agents of darkness (which it already predicted to be doing where bargaining occurs(this is how it benefits darkness)).
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Indeed, in many ways it is similar to what you state.


(Inside the bargaining context)The light has still bargained in ways that benefit citizens though, hence the negotiation/bargaining factor (this happens because the light doesn't allow reality systems to be evil to their core (for it to allow its own inclusion in reality)).

The bargaining process has slightly different rules (firstly because it begins with Free Willed Eternal Consciousness (and not consciousness units), because it is where the dark mind (with help of both creational principles) defines all possible RULES of creation.

These rules, (including the existence of consciousness units/perception) ended up allowing consciousness units to Free Will the perception of any multiverse draw within the polarized multiverse (this is the way the dark mind conjured for a healthy cooperation between light and darkness).

The light's beacon always shines inside the bargaining events, even if it is exploited by the dark mind.
It's just that darkness always corrupts the well-intended systems.

We also exploit the dark mind by understanding the way the light has bargained, and then by using the light's properties over Creation to our own benefit.

I will give you one example of this: the Logos's framework relies on us having validated that, where we operate with infinite object variables (like pushing creation to its backward timeless limit, or defining evil as self-destructive(in its absolute limit)), we are allowed to validate the structure of the multiverse.

This is true, because we have validated that the multiverse is structured, and not chaotic.

This multiverse draw independent rule(structure), is handled to us by Eternal Consciousness (the light).
In fact, it is a very well intentioned rule.

Structure/Logic is brought by the light (in bargaining), so that it can contain darkness' chaotic properties.

Now just realize the amazing amount of corrupted systems we know (monetary system, mathematics, science, numerology, karma etc), which are based on the possibility of Logic/structure, and are really flawed and corrupted.


You understand now why Science and Religion drive everyone away from true Logic, and why darkness loves to implement these systems ?

Science always needs observation as proof. Scientists are really very focused on observing Matter so that they can make proof of their theories.

Of course we know Matter is an illusion and they are getting deceived.
So science itself uses logic, but it is a different type of logic. It uses the structural form of the Grand Illusion of Matter (all creation is structured), which is an illusion. Of course this is an extremely error prone process, which ends up with citizens getting deceived the hard way.

In addition, most religions just drive people completely away from Logic to the "esoteric" belief in "We need to love God, because otherwise he won't love us and we'r d00md" bullcrap field.

Both of those brands of thought process (scientific and religious) will just drive you away from Logos and from breaking the Matter cycle.

Ok, so it's not really that the dark mind is doing everything it wants, where the bargaining process occurs.

It's more like it is currently exploiting all the originally well-intended systems to its own fueling interests, by spreading corruption through its agents of darkness (which it already predicted to be doing where bargaining occurs(this is how it benefits darkness)).
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Right.

Let's see if I have validated it correctly.
The light intends Free Will, which deems as Absolute Good.
In order for Free Will to be exercised, it allows for the creation of perception units (individual consciousness unit) operating within a polarized environment.
In order to perceive and validate (make use of Free Will), structure and logic are needed and deemed necessary by the light (Absolute Chaos is unperceivable).

This is the system set up by the light, which the dark mind exploits. It does so, not by changing the core rules, but by setting misleading premises.

One thing cannot be more or less logical. It's either logical or illogical.
But pure logic (the process) can be misguided by a flawed premise.

In order to tap into Logos, we don't change the process, we go upstream and change the premise.

For example, science uses the same process of Logic, but based on the wrong premise of observation of matter, in order to define structure. To break free from the Matter Cycle, we change the premise. We now know that observing an illusion, condenses it further and traps us into it.

Ideally, we need to reach the point where within everything that we observe and perceive we comprise the originating point beyond the illusion, the original structure outside of matter.

If we are not looking at matter, we must be looking at energy. The unformed energy field of the unmanifest. We free will it to be our working point, where we then mold the manifest.

The dark mind has to comply, because it has to follow structure and logic, if it wants us to remain in the realm of matter (hoping that we become entrained again).

Along those lines?
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In the current state of our reality path (following the Matter cycle), we are subject to the Grand Illusion of Time ( through its bond to the Grand Illusion of Matter (chronological time)), even though we have validated that chronos itself is an illusion.

The Grand Illusion of Matter by itself (through the human brain's perception filtering process), makes things very tough for consciousness units to build up the logical steps required for erasure of the illusions.
It's like the "keys" are well hidden in the sands.

We need to follow chronos' rules where we build up the logical path for it to get erased from our reasoning.
That is, and will be, until we finish recursively dismissing him (by erasing all aspects of the Grand Illusion of Matter from our reasoning), where the fracturing of the Matter cycle occurs.

The "some time" represents the logical evolution in citizens' perception state, while following chronos rules, and exploiting/breaking them while inside the Matter cycle.

It is "some chronos" to the "end of chronos".
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Thank you. So we use (follow) the illusion of time in order (and in logical order) to fracture the Matter cycle. Exploiting chronos to fracture the illusion of Matter.

Will this be an ongoing process while "inside the Matter cycle"? I mean, as long as I am inside this physical body in this reality (even as it is a thought), won't I continually be fracturing the Matter cycle? Basically, there won't come a point where I can say "All done. The illusions of Matter have been completely fractured." Because then I wouldn't be inside the Matter cycle? Where I transcend it, I am no longer in it. ?
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Indeed, in many ways it is similar to what you state.


(Inside the bargaining context)The light has still bargained in ways that benefit citizens though, hence the negotiation/bargaining factor (this happens because the light doesn't allow reality systems to be evil to their core (for it to allow its own inclusion in reality)).

The bargaining process has slightly different rules (firstly because it begins with Free Willed Eternal Consciousness (and not consciousness units), because it is where the dark mind (with help of both creational principles) defines all possible RULES of creation.

These rules, (including the existence of consciousness units/perception) ended up allowing consciousness units to Free Will the perception of any multiverse draw within the polarized multiverse (this is the way the dark mind conjured for a healthy cooperation between light and darkness).

The light's beacon always shines inside the bargaining events, even if it is exploited by the dark mind.
It's just that darkness always corrupts the well-intended systems.

We also exploit the dark mind by understanding the way the light has bargained, and then by using the light's properties over Creation to our own benefit.

I will give you one example of this: the Logos's framework relies on us having validated that, where we operate with infinite object variables (like pushing creation to its backward timeless limit, or defining evil as self-destructive(in its absolute limit)), we are allowed to validate the structure of the multiverse.

This is true, because we have validated that the multiverse is structured, and not chaotic.

This multiverse draw independent rule(structure), is handled to us by Eternal Consciousness (the light).
In fact, it is a very well intentioned rule.

Structure/Logic is brought by the light (in bargaining), so that it can contain darkness' chaotic properties.

Now just realize the amazing amount of corrupted systems we know (monetary system, mathematics, science, numerology, karma etc), which are based on the possibility of Logic/structure, and are really flawed and corrupted.


You understand now why Science and Religion drive everyone away from true Logic, and why darkness loves to implement these systems ?

Science always needs observation as proof. Scientists are really very focused on observing Matter so that they can make proof of their theories.

Of course we know Matter is an illusion and they are getting deceived.
So science itself uses logic, but it is a different type of logic. It uses the structural form of the Grand Illusion of Matter (all creation is structured), which is an illusion. Of course this is an extremely error prone process, which ends up with citizens getting deceived the hard way.

In addition, most religions just drive people completely away from Logic to the "esoteric" belief in "We need to love God, because otherwise he won't love us and we'r d00md" bullcrap field.

Both of those brands of thought process (scientific and religious) will just drive you away from Logos and from breaking the Matter cycle.

Ok, so it's not really that the dark mind is doing everything it wants, where the bargaining process occurs.

It's more like it is currently exploiting all the originally well-intended systems to its own fueling interests, by spreading corruption through its agents of darkness (which it already predicted to be doing where bargaining occurs(this is how it benefits darkness)).
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Right.

Let's see if I have validated it correctly.
The light intends Free Will, which deems as Absolute Good.
In order for Free Will to be exercised, it allows for the creation of perception units (individual consciousness unit) operating within a polarized environment.
In order to perceive and validate (make use of Free Will), structure and logic are needed and deemed necessary by the light (Absolute Chaos is unperceivable).

This is the system set up by the light, which the dark mind exploits. It does so, not by changing the core rules, but by setting misleading premises.

One thing cannot be more or less logical. It's either logical or illogical.
But pure logic (the process) can be misguided by a flawed premise.

In order to tap into Logos, we don't change the process, we go upstream and change the premise.

For example, science uses the same process of Logic, but based on the wrong premise of observation of matter, in order to define structure. To break free from the Matter Cycle, we change the premise. We now know that observing an illusion, condenses it further and traps us into it.

Ideally, we need to reach the point where within everything that we observe and perceive we comprise the originating point beyond the illusion, the original structure outside of matter.

If we are not looking at matter, we must be looking at energy. The unformed energy field of the unmanifest. We free will it to be our working point, where we then mold the manifest.

The dark mind has to comply, because it has to follow structure and logic, if it wants us to remain in the realm of matter (hoping that we become entrained again).

Along those lines?
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@Ambra and @1466619, thanks. Your summaries and this dialogue are helping.

"If we are not looking at matter, we must be looking at energy. The unformed energy field of the unmanifest. We free will it to be our working point, where we then mold the manifest."

I'm curious about this. Perhaps energy is thought. Choosing (Free Willing) thoughts feels like creation (conjuring) until I go deeper one more step and realize I am picking from an infinite pool of thoughts already in existence. It still feels like work, though. A challenge that becomes exhausting (so much thinking). I suppose I haven't validated completely. Maybe something someone says will help clarify.

Thanks~
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Last night I became fully lucid within a dream and experienced first hand the freedom gained when one breaks an illusion completely.

Up until the point of lucidity everything seems normal. One accepts the dream (illusion) as reality and follows it almost as if they are watching a film. After realizing it is an illusion one's free will increases greatly. Clearly, this is the same principal we are following while awake. The key is validating reality as an illusion.

Here's a few observations from my lucid dream:

1) I entered my room and I needed something. It wasn't where I usually keep it. Somehow I instinctively knew to close my eyes and reach for it in the place it should have been. Suddenly I felt my fingers curl around the object. I opened my eyes and I was holding it.

2) I went outside my house and realized I forgot my keys. Instead of closing my eyes I just reached into my pocket. I pulled out my hand and I had my keys.

I wonder what the significance is of not observing the manifestation? I had to look away.

We have a perspective from outside the dream. One can view it as an illusion of an illusion (reality). I am going to try taking the lucid dream perspective out of the dream.
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Last night I became fully lucid within a dream and experienced first hand the freedom gained when one breaks an illusion completely.

Up until the point of lucidity everything seems normal. One accepts the dream (illusion) as reality and follows it almost as if they are watching a film. After realizing it is an illusion one's free will increases greatly. Clearly, this is the same principal we are following while awake. The key is validating reality as an illusion.

Here's a few observations from my lucid dream:

1) I entered my room and I needed something. It wasn't where I usually keep it. Somehow I instinctively knew to close my eyes and reach for it in the place it should have been. Suddenly I felt my fingers curl around the object. I opened my eyes and I was holding it.

2) I went outside my house and realized I forgot my keys. Instead of closing my eyes I just reached into my pocket. I pulled out my hand and I had my keys.

I wonder what the significance is of not observing the manifestation? I had to look away.

We have a perspective from outside the dream. One can view it as an illusion of an illusion (reality). I am going to try taking the lucid dream perspective out of the dream.
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Very cool! Yes, I've found that closing my eyes to meditate/consider/visualize could help keep me from becoming entranced/misguided by the illusion of waking reality (as when some undesirable reality (thought) is present and very convincing).

There are meditations which involve opening my eyes periodically as I enter deeper states of consciousness. I realized today that this is probably to form a bridge in the brain between those deep states and "waking" reality. A reminder of sorts, that it's the same thing. Then it becomes lucid living.

Thanks for sharing :)
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Something happened and now I am without a TV for a week or so, the reason for my post is that I felt divine intervention during the process for the TV 100% weirdly, plus I feel it happened for a reason. I wake up the day after it should of been here, checked this thread first and saw your post of a burning TV lol, I just had to post.

So is there any relevance to your posting? Or was it purely coincidence in your part?

Im the person who you replied too a few pages back saying
Just as I suspected.

Where do you think those vivid "colours" and "shapes" are coming from ?

Just because it all "seems" unrelated and uninterpretable to your brain, it doesn't mean that it is that way.

You will have to realize that those are dream world patterns.
When you start interpreting them, like many are doing already, you are experiencing the dream world.
That's pretty much ALL there is to it.
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Something happened and now I am without a TV for a week or so, the reason for my post is that I felt divine intervention during the process for the TV 100% weirdly, plus I feel it happened for a reason. I wake up the day after it should of been here, checked this thread first and saw your post of a burning TV lol, I just had to post.

So is there any relevance to your posting? Or was it purely coincidence in your part?

Im the person who you replied too a few pages back saying
Just as I suspected.

Where do you think those vivid "colours" and "shapes" are coming from ?

Just because it all "seems" unrelated and uninterpretable to your brain, it doesn't mean that it is that way.

You will have to realize that those are dream world patterns.
When you start interpreting them, like many are doing already, you are experiencing the dream world.
That's pretty much ALL there is to it.
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We are living in a timeless dream already.

It's funny how it manifests.

The roots of the new world grow strong in this one.

Tvs will blow up.
Turkish simpletons are going to be erased.
Whatever else it takes, until denial (blimp theorists) is no longer possible.
There we should have a nice playground for us.
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What happened to this thread? Where is chaol? Why is this mean chec guy running the show?
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What happened to this thread? Where is chaol? Why is this mean chec guy running the show?
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Chaol has been gone since last sept/oct. His residue remained and took it upon itself to continue to work to make chaols reality more relative to us preceding chaols return next month. This chec "dude" is on a similar page and has some really interesting perspective, but he is hardly running anything more than open minded discussion. Its fun but the thread has gotten kind of quiet thia week.
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What happened to this thread? Where is chaol? Why is this mean chec guy running the show?
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I am merely providing you with more information on how reality works.

In fact I have only been answering questions that are asked to me. I have made only a few posts on my own initiative.

If you think that i am mean, just because a turkish simpleton is going to get erased, then you should not yet be fully aware of what reality is.

You should rather be thinking on WHY is it possible that he gets erased or WHY is it possible to blow TVs up, or WHY is it possible that "miracles" happen.

The answer to this is pretty straightforward:
Because everything is within the scope of your perception, and you are allowed full control over your perception.

Once you realize that, it's obvious that there is no evil in erasing or manipulating values within your perspective.
Mean/Evil is the whole reality system that hides and makes you fear this possibility.
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In the current state of our reality path (following the Matter cycle), we are subject to the Grand Illusion of Time ( through its bond to the Grand Illusion of Matter (chronological time)), even though we have validated that chronos itself is an illusion.

The Grand Illusion of Matter by itself (through the human brain's perception filtering process), makes things very tough for consciousness units to build up the logical steps required for erasure of the illusions.
It's like the "keys" are well hidden in the sands.

We need to follow chronos' rules where we build up the logical path for it to get erased from our reasoning.
That is, and will be, until we finish recursively dismissing him (by erasing all aspects of the Grand Illusion of Matter from our reasoning), where the fracturing of the Matter cycle occurs.

The "some time" represents the logical evolution in citizens' perception state, while following chronos rules, and exploiting/breaking them while inside the Matter cycle.

It is "some chronos" to the "end of chronos".
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Thank you. So we use (follow) the illusion of time in order (and in logical order) to fracture the Matter cycle. Exploiting chronos to fracture the illusion of Matter.

Will this be an ongoing process while "inside the Matter cycle"? I mean, as long as I am inside this physical body in this reality (even as it is a thought), won't I continually be fracturing the Matter cycle? Basically, there won't come a point where I can say "All done. The illusions of Matter have been completely fractured." Because then I wouldn't be inside the Matter cycle? Where I transcend it, I am no longer in it. ?
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@1466619
Please see my question above :)
Thank you~
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Additionally, I recently utilized this framework to draw in a reality path where a specific thing happened (getting a certain job).

I didn't get the job (that I know of). Mind says "Sometimes you don't know why certain things happen. One door closes and another opens." But I began to think that's more illusion/excuses. I really should've gotten the job! Haha. Really.

Wondering where I'm still not validating all of this properly. Any insights?
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What happened to this thread? Where is chaol? Why is this mean chec guy running the show?
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Chaol has been gone since last sept/oct. His residue remained and took it upon itself to continue to work to make chaols reality more relative to us preceding chaols return next month. This chec "dude" is on a similar page and has some really interesting perspective, but he is hardly running anything more than open minded discussion. Its fun but the thread has gotten kind of quiet thia week.
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Citizens start elaborating/building and magnifying their own "upgraded" brand of thought process.
This is all built upon the solid foundation that was already acquired.

While the thread is quiet, "weird" things happen in the timeless dream around us, and this is where citizens realize that something is very wrong.
This will make them very suspicious that they can manipulate their perception, thus blatantly showing the nature of the illusiory realms, if they happen to start knocking and realizing the hollow walls of the dark mind.

The roots of the new world grow in this one.
They grow stronger with each passing frame of chronos and events will come that will even further inspire the demise of this brand of reality.

All events together and the logical possibilities that derive from these events will be the makers of our new reality.
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In the current state of our reality path (following the Matter cycle), we are subject to the Grand Illusion of Time ( through its bond to the Grand Illusion of Matter (chronological time)), even though we have validated that chronos itself is an illusion.

The Grand Illusion of Matter by itself (through the human brain's perception filtering process), makes things very tough for consciousness units to build up the logical steps required for erasure of the illusions.
It's like the "keys" are well hidden in the sands.

We need to follow chronos' rules where we build up the logical path for it to get erased from our reasoning.
That is, and will be, until we finish recursively dismissing him (by erasing all aspects of the Grand Illusion of Matter from our reasoning), where the fracturing of the Matter cycle occurs.

The "some time" represents the logical evolution in citizens' perception state, while following chronos rules, and exploiting/breaking them while inside the Matter cycle.

It is "some chronos" to the "end of chronos".
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Thank you. So we use (follow) the illusion of time in order (and in logical order) to fracture the Matter cycle. Exploiting chronos to fracture the illusion of Matter.

Will this be an ongoing process while "inside the Matter cycle"? I mean, as long as I am inside this physical body in this reality (even as it is a thought), won't I continually be fracturing the Matter cycle? Basically, there won't come a point where I can say "All done. The illusions of Matter have been completely fractured." Because then I wouldn't be inside the Matter cycle? Where I transcend it, I am no longer in it. ?
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@1466619
Please see my question above :)
Thank you~
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There was a reason why your question was not answered right away.
That is because by validating that one, we will come to a point where it might already impact the power of Logos' revelation, due to the nature of the required validation statements.

We can come into a brief explanation, though:

There is a point where you realize that all of Matter is an illusion. That makes you exit the Matter cycle (reincarnation loop under the excuse of a learning experience) automatically, because you will be aware of what it is and how you are not forced upon it, but instead choose to follow it.

You can still remain voluntarily bathing in the Grand Illusion of Matter after breaking the Matter cycle, because Matter can be very entertaining, where you have the upper hand over the dark mind.

@1466619
Additionally, I recently utilized this framework to draw in a reality path where a specific thing happened (getting a certain job).

I didn't get the job (that I know of). Mind says "Sometimes you don't know why certain things happen. One door closes and another opens." But I began to think that's more illusion/excuses. I really should've gotten the job! Haha. Really.

Wondering where I'm still not validating all of this properly. Any insights?
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How exactly did you use the Logos framework for that ?

To manipulate your perception/reality in the material realms like that, you will have to elaborate more powerful independent dream brain functions (which can have their foundation set on the knowledge that comes from understanding the Logos framework or just any other similar system), which we are still going to approach in the near future (as i mentioned in previous posts).


Just out of curiosity, how well are you doing with dream world exploring at the moment ?
Knowing the secrets of the dream world and interacting with it is the best way to experience more Free Will in your reality (manipulate your perception).
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What happened to this thread? Where is chaol? Why is this mean chec guy running the show?
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I am merely providing you with more information on how reality works.

In fact I have only been answering questions that are asked to me. I have made only a few posts on my own initiative.

If you think that i am mean, just because a turkish simpleton is going to get erased, then you should not yet be fully aware of what reality is.

You should rather be thinking on WHY is it possible that he gets erased or WHY is it possible to blow TVs up, or WHY is it possible that "miracles" happen.

The answer to this is pretty straightforward:
Because everything is within the scope of your perception, and you are allowed full control over your perception.

Once you realize that, it's obvious that there is no evil in erasing or manipulating values within your perspective.
Mean/Evil is the whole reality system that hides and makes you fear this possibility.
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Whatever...Ive been around long enough to tell when someone is a dick...and you are definitely an asshole. You imagine yourself somehow different than everyone else, you call names and belittle people..far from enlightened...have fun pretending
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Whatever...Ive been around long enough to tell when someone is a dick...and you are definitely an asshole. You imagine yourself somehow different than everyone else, you call names and belittle people..far from enlightened...have fun pretending
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Apparently you have not read enough from what i propose, if you think that way.

I have vastly promoted the same origin for every citizen (meaning we are all equals).
The real difference, where we stand, is the amount of information we ignore.

Where i "belittle" people by saying they act like simpletons, is because it is a characteristic of the simpletonical way of thinking, to ignore what is blatantly obvious, just because it makes neurons hurt.

One example:
You have a ufo sighting during the olympics opening.
(Like Chaol said) Even if there was heavy fireworks around (making it incredibly dangerous for a blimp), and it was a complete no fly zone, and even if all aircrafts need to have safety lights on, what do the simpletonical minds go around believing ?
It is the GoodYear Blimp.

Does this sound right to you ?
Should we treat these inferior lifeforms the same way as thinking lifeforms ?
How would that be fair ?

Citizens, in our reality path, make up all sorts of excuses just not to accept what looks so weird and goes so much against what has been programmed into the brain.
There they end up screwing on their own judgment.


If (like the Turkish simpleton) you are in doubt (not of me, but of the new reality, which is allowed for everyone) you may also want to play a game with me.
I could erase you too, if you like.

I am always asking for new unbelieving volunteers for the erasure game. Nothing is funnier (and easier) than erasing values from our perception, especially where it is all so relative already.

The funny thing is, where affected consciousness units realize that they are being erased from Matter, they notice that the dream is very real, and so they will no longer act like simpletons (because the illusions of Matter are instantly fractured) (it is indeed helping them, and us all (by empowering the new reality even more)).
It's a win-win situation here.

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