Notes from an "alternate universe": July 18, 2012 - The Return of the Gods

of course this information is both new and original - it is the information that informs all (in)formations...i enjoy the taoist prism for its emphasis on clarity through holism and simplicity, but cannot deny the fun that exists when exploring the complexities

regardless of how this information is appreciated its power and utility reside in its practical application, quite more so than its acknowledgement

Creational bargains compose/originate the set of rules the dark mind has deemed "necessary" (to add structure to the cooperation between darkness and light) in its creation, the multiverse of polarity(the intermingling of light and darkness in polarity).


Where you realize that the multiverse is provided of a structured set of rules, you can use the Logos's framework to validate the need for creational bargains.

What these rules represent, is all infinite possibilities in the scope of polarity.
It represents, for example, the possibility of Matter.

Wherever you perceive something in the multiverse, for example, where you realize that you are experiencing Matter, you know that a creational event to include it in Creation is mandatory to have occured (because this experience is logically part of the current expression (since citizens are able to perceive it)).
This event is a creational bargain.

Let's take Matter for example:

We know how restrained we seem to be (we have to eat, sleep, die), while experiencing matter.

Adding to this, you know that the light, (good) has to exist in this creation (because darkness can't exist on its own absolute creation).
Indeed, this validates, for we can perceive our own path as being pretty polarized.
There are some good things, and there are some bad things.

So by knowing this you can state that, in any reality path (inserted in the context of polarity), the light has to somehow be a part of whatever possibility you are experiencing (this meaning accepting it), for it to belong to Creation (making it possible for you to experience).

You will then have to start exploring how the dark mind (which favours darkness, because of its own survival instinct (fear of darkness's extinguishment)) has exploited the light to forever fuel its own creation, the multiverse of polarity.

Basically, you will be understanding the excuses, presented by the dark mind to the light (meaning the exploits it finds in the light's principle of "the greater possible good"), so that it can fuel its own creation.

Where you uncover the rules, you get to fracture the illusions.
The dark mind is then forced to cope with your increasing will to experience Freedom of Choice in the scope of your perception.

"From my understanding the bargaining is an ongoing process always. How exactly does the process work?"

Well this is true and isn't (this answer is a failure in a Logos's framework validation system).

This occured because "an ongoing process always" delivers chronological time (which is illusory) as a parameter to the brain functions.
This will lead to inconclusive answers.
You can write stuff like that (if you'r trying to bring specific energies to written words), but it is not really needed that you reason about it.

The original bargaining process which allows for the multiverse to exist, is not inside the scope of time.
It represents all possible rules.

I very rarely use the Logos's framework while using chrono as a parameter object, because that will lead to failures in the validation system.

The rules (as a creational tendency) have been transfered to the multiverse's systems, though.

This is the difference between Chaol and you Czech dude, Chaols words always have meaning even when hes being short and simple, when you talk, you use a lot of words you think are big and complex, but what you're saying doesn't mean much, I used to be really into new age, I understand exactly what youre saying, but it's BS because it's nothing you have experienced yourself..

WTF can you honestly know about Logos and creation, and the nature of this fake reality? You're just another lowly human like all of us, everything that you've written is only stuff you've read, I hate when ppl get into these topics and think they're experts and start spouting off shit.. you haven't done shit to transcend this illusion, you haven't seen outside the illusion, or done anything out of the ordinary, otherwise your words would be solid and insightful, not just shallow representations of abstract concepts that can't be proven, we're all basic ass human animals trapped in 3d at this point in time, so why do you try to talk like some kind of enlightened master from outside the matrix? You just read some stuff dude, that's it..

I realize it to be an "otherwordly" ( based on different reality path specific premises (than those of our own path)), thought process-based, abstraction of recognizing both the multiverse as artificially eternal, and the eternal timeless nature of the "existence as a perceiver" of the multiverse.

By recognizing the multiverse as artificially eternal and existence as a perceiver of the multiverse as eternal. (Added to recognizing the laws of structure of the multiverse), leads to coming up with the ecsys prime.

Looks like your two premises are not compatible.

Have i ever claimed to be more than human ? You must be confusing objects here.

Reading ? Not sure what you are talking about, but feel free to enlighten me and the rest of us with your findings.

I am merely providing logical arguments to my claims (so that they are able to be understood by everyone), while inducing the learning of a specific brand of thought process (based on the Logos's validation framework), while doing so.

"not just shallow representations of abstract concepts that can't be proven,"

This sentence indicates a seriously flawed thought process. "Can't be proven" by who ?
By science, religion or what else ?

"so why do you try to talk like some kind of enlightened master from outside the matrix?"

Care to take the blue pill ?

Ah. So if I understand the rules and break the illusions the dark must comply with my intention so as not to violate my free will.

Example: I now understand all possibilities are infinite. Therefore, statistical probability is an illusion that may bind one on lower levels but not those who have transcended it.

If on this particular multiverse draw the illusion of probability is broken then events that are otherwise very unlikely must present themselves if willed by the consciousness unit.

This is the BIG point of it all.

It represents the same as: making other brands of reality/perception states more relative to your current perception state, so that you allow yourself to experience them.

OK. Now we're getting somewhere. Keys please?

The "key" for us to achieve our current goal (stop following the Matter cycle), is our understanding of all aspects of the Grand Illusion of Matter.

For example, let's say we are exploring physical death and we realize it is an illusion, and so we don't have to really care that much about it in our thought process.

Just that simple fact completly changes what is more relative to your perception in a very powerful way.

This is what i propose.

That we see to it that every sub aspect/illusion of the Grand Illusion of Matter is erased from our reasoning (perception).

@1466619

Your reply was a most fundamental read.
I understand what you mean.

I will make it a mindful practice to break the Grand Illusion of Time, and start thinking about points of perception. (Ironically, I managed to follow time without ever wearing a watch... lol)

A quick question about the jump in, which is a concept I find exciting, like it's ringing a bell.

You first mentioned it in regards to the Dream World.
Lucid dreaming, retaining a conscious point of perception, as to not be deceived by the illusions of the dark mind.

Because many are able to lucid dream, but are still entrained in the Grand Illusions of Matter and Time during their waking cycle... is it correct to assume that a jump in bathing voluntarily from outside the cycle is of a "higher order/stage", having also broken the waking world illusions?

Really looking forward to learning the Logos's aspects

The "key" for us to achieve our current goal (stop following the Matter cycle), is our understanding of all aspects of the Grand Illusion of Matter.

For example, let's say we are exploring physical death and we realize it is an illusion, and so we don't have to really care that much about it in our thought process.

Just that simple fact completly changes what is more relative to your perception in a very powerful way.

This is what i propose.

That we see to it that every sub aspect/illusion of the Grand Illusion of Matter is erased from our reasoning (perception).


Thanks - your recent posts are beginning to resonate and make much clearer sense. So, what shall we expect from here? Will you be providing more info? Exercises? I am eager to learn more of the Logos system and a continuation of both yours and Chaol's posts.

There is much beauty at this level.

Exactly.

A jump in in the material realms can be considered of a higher order/stage/rank, in the hierarchy of darkness.

Can anyone clarify a bit more on probability and logic? It's my understanding that probability makes use of logic.

If probability is an illusion, then how do I make another brand of reality/perception state more relative, without using probability (or logic)? Or is the idea here to exploit the illusion of probability, once knowing that it is an illusion?

Hope this makes sense, logically. Probably.
Haha, couldn't help myself ;)

On this tip, this morning exiting sleep, I was crossing from delta into theta and had the thought: I'm going to "jump in" to this dream, and then I "woke up." I don't know, it felt cool.

:)

If perception/thought process is provided by the dark mind, in what way is the bargaining implemented?

If the bargaining is a stage prior to that (before the Dark Mind implements the rules), does it happen outside of thought and/or there's a reasoning thoughtless mind able to agree on a bargain?

That was just an example, among many possible others.

The point is that where you break illusions, events that would otherwise be very unlikely, become more relative (more likely).

Could it be said that, upon the realization that there are infinite possibilities/probabilities of expression for each situation/environment, the illusion of a static timeline is broken, and one is Free Willed the choice of the desired experience (by jumping timelines)?

Very cool!

I made a post, above on this page, regarding the nature of creational bargains, maybe you could check that one out.

We can approach this a little bit again (i'll have to write about some subjects i was keeping for later, it might even be a good time to introduce them):

To the point where we realized that where Free Will is allowed into Creation, the possibility of darkness manifests, and so the dark mind is summoned to "judge" the possibility of the polarized multiverse.

This leads to darkness offering "judgment"/thought process to the dark mind, with the light's blessing, because the light also understands that, if darkness's properties are applied without rules (structure), over the reality engine, then Creation will be unable to provide possibility to cooperation between light and darkness.

If there is no possibility for cooperation between light and darkness, then Free Will (which is deemed as absolutely good by the light) is denied to Eternal Consciousness, because it will then be unable to experience polarity, even if it wants (if there is no possibility for it).

This is a flaw in the light's judgment, and so it engages in the "greatest possible good" (inside the context of polarity).

Creational bargains occur so that Creation provides possibility for polarity (due to darkness's own very destructive creational tendencies, if not "regulated" by the dark mind), and so the "greatest possible good" of cooperation is achieved, in a stable, reliable reality system.

Then where the dark mind is able to judge, it convinces the light that it also has to lend the ability to judge to fragmented eternal consciousness (citizens), so that they are able to "judge" Free Will for themselves (and so we are able to perceive (elaborate thought process)).
This is how consciousness units (free willed perceiving citizens) exist.

We have to understand that making citizens be able to judge is great for darkness.
It basically creates possibility for all the hierarchy/greed based systems in the multiverse.
Also it can have "agents" (who act in accordance with darkness's nature) to work for its purposes.

It can also create very strong illusions, like the virtual realms of matter or dream, based on creating darkness-fed perception cycles (based on exploiting citizens(through filtering their judgment)), by giving excuses over excuses to the light.

The light also has to accept it, because of "the greatest possible good" of allowing cooperation between darkness and light (and citizens really need to judge if they are to experience Free Will, like they are supposed to).

Of course all of these events are outside the context of time. The structured order (map of creation/how reality came to being) i show to you, is merely an abstraction, so that it gets within the grasp of the human brain.

So always remember, time is an illusion which manifests mostly in the material realms.
Remember, where dream world travelling, for example, you can perceive the Sun. If time/material space would really exist, then this wouldn't be possible.

Here, do you mean while dreaming, I can visualize the sun? Trying to nail down what all you mean by "perceive" in various posts. Thank you for the clarifications. It helps :)

I mean experiencing to be on the surface of the Sun, which would be impossible if time/material space would really exist.

Got it, thanks.

OH MY GOD.. :(

OH MY GOD.. :(

Wow! So much to read :)

i am open mind with your aseveration

but i find a little difficult to swallow that ufo was created by your exercise. If that was an ufo we can agree that could be one of the thousand being seen in all the world weekly

what is different in this one? the date?
in general in all these massive events we see always ufos. Even we saw one in the fireworks of the 4 of july in the media stream.

duno, i will be following your experiments a while, i am curious.

greetings

Yes. That is true.

@Chaol and AC 1466619

Eagerly awaiting the next installment from either of you. Keep em' commin'.

I know Aleister Crowley can be a controversial man to discuss but I suggest anyone who is interested in this material read his "Book of Lies". There is a strong correlation between many of the passages and the Logos.

It should resonate more and more, as we expose the illusions of darkness.

I'm quite sure the older posts will also make more sense, where we break illusions. This is what i mean with recursive validation.

I will be providing more material. Starting with some more posts and then Logos's aspects.

Then everyone here should be able to use the framework and we will approach more advanced concepts.