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WOW!!! # Law Student Puts Cop In His Place After Being Unlawfully Stopped For Carrying A Gun In Maine (Video)

 
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I guarantee you that this law student intentionally set the scene up with the plan to call the states written law. So theres the difference. Instead of noble defense we artiface, and might I add that, coming from a law student, isn't surprising.
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It shows that the police abuses their authority to demand things they have no right to.
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You idiot.


This isn't the wild wild west people don't normally walk around carrying guns. Of course someone is going to call the police and of course an officer will have a few questions.

You act as if the cop ran up on him gun drawn demanding he drop his weapon and hit the ground.


I hope fucking idiots like the young man in this video have a serious emergency and need the police to save their lives. Then maybe they will understand how douchey it is to taunt them.



I guarentee he was only carrying the gun so this would happen. What a little prick. Side note- I bet he was a jewish.
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It shows that the police abuses their authority to demand things they have no right to.
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No, it shows the police officer was making sure that the man carrying a gun is licensed to do so and this guy is just being cocky with his knowledge of law.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


This^^^^ I think is what happened. A cop should be able to stop someone on the street that is carrying and make sure that they are able to be carrying the gun. What if he was a thug trying to use the law to his advantage? What if he had in fact committed a crime? I understand from what the law student says that the law states that a cop can't clarify whether or not this guy is able to carry or not, but that is besides the point in my opinion. If I was the cop, I would have said that I had reasonable suspicion due to the nature of his response and the fact that people had called him in.
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Since what you are recommending is not supported by the laws on the books, the message you are sending in that our law enforcement officers should behave as they see fit, without adherence to a specific code of conduct that ensures their actions are legally justified.

If you don't agree with the Maine open carry law and feel it is dangerous, you need the state to modify or strike down the law. Or choose not to live there. The law permits this behavior so whether or not a criminal wants to open carry is irrelevant. Why would a criminal open carry anyway??? Does that even make any sense? If you are a criminal and intend to commit a crime, do you open carry so people will take out their cell phones and call the police on you?

The nature of the guy's response was absolutely justifiable. He stated his rights and even cited the the court cases that they originate from. It's his right not to supply his name and why should he risk his name being used in a police report or newspaper article? Additionally, people calling in to report a citizen who is open-carrying in accordance with state law does not qualify as 'reasonable suspicion' to detain and search an individual. None of this would hold up in the court of law.
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I think open carrying is weird. It kind of reminds me of the old west. I think gun duels when I think of legal open carrying. I understand that the cop should be following the law and the law student has every right to disagree to give the cop his ID due to the law, unless there is due suspicion, which I think is why the cop gave him back his gun without checking his ID. I feel uncomfortable around cops that are open carrying too but that's mostly because I don't like cops.
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In my opinion the young man was acting immature, not the attitude I expect off someone open carrying.

He could have acted with respect and said the same things, that way he probably wouldn't have been disarmed during the conversation.

You do not waive your rights by divulging your name and address, and I don't see the problem with allowing a pat-down search.
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No, he was being responsible in wanting to make sure the guy wasn't a felon or wanted for a warrant...there's nothing wrong with showing ID...why didn't the guy have the weapon concealed to begin with? Because he was looking for a confrontation...
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No, it shows the police officer was making sure that the man carrying a gun is licensed to do so and this guy is just being cocky with his knowledge of law.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


It is really sad that so many people are willing to give up their rights, simply because they have been taught the police are the good guys, and if you aren’t doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. The fact of the matter is, police departments stay updated on case law, and still purposely attempt to do things which they know the law does not permit. FACT: the police are not required to tell you your rights. If you don’t know them, and proceed to comply with the cops requests, your rights are deemed waived.
 Quoting: Shellbe


No, my rights aren't compromised by showing ID, but then I don't go looking for trouble and just do my thing...I do the speed limit for safety reasons...I signal when turning because it's polite...I don't flash my weapon around daring someone to call the police on me...
 Quoting: BRIEF


All those things you say are correct except for "I don't flash my weapon.......daring someone to call the police" and your rights aren't compromised by showing i.d.

Your rights can very definitely be compromised by the requirement to show i.d. That is what "show your papers"is all about. But I don't expect you to be able to understand just how dangerous this is in a ostensibly free country.

A securely holstered weapon means a securely holstered weapon.

Flashing a weapon has an entirely different meaning.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Showing ID is what I want to be able to put criminals away...I'm not wanted for a crime, therefore I do not fear showing who I am...
I never forgive and I never forget

I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked.

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just sayin but i don't think i feel comfortable if someone is walking down the street with a gun in his hands...
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why? where i live people have them on their persons all the time and i feel safer... i know if some crimanl type might want to rob or do something bad there are some great citizens and neighbors that have my back.... who told you to be afraid like that?
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The problem is this:

This person was carrying a handgun. In the open.
People got nervous and called police, this is common.
The police should have looked in on him, and went on there way. They should not have detained him at all. Try and see it like this, this man was not breaking any law... and was stopped and detained for doing things that are legal. Next time you walk by a school, and someone calls the police on you because you are walking by (another legal act) do you allow them to stop / detain / search you? It's the same. If they dont want people to open carry, they have to go to the legislature and get laws changed. Not harras people in to compliance.
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I guarantee you that this law student intentionally set the scene up with the plan to call the states written law. So theres the difference. Instead of noble defense we artiface, and might I add that, coming from a law student, isn't surprising.
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Where is the difference? If you open-carry you walk around with your gun on you in public do you not? Are you suggesting if he was going for a leisurely stroll for exercise or on his way to pick up lunch in town that the circumstances would be different??? Is there a state law in Maine that prohibits the filming of police encounters?

I'm glad he filmed it. The popularity of this video will educate both citizens and law enforcement officers to be more MINDFUL of state laws and citizen's rights.
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I guarantee you that this law student intentionally set the scene up with the plan to call the states written law. So theres the difference. Instead of noble defense we artiface, and might I add that, coming from a law student, isn't surprising.
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You can guarantee nothing unless you personally know the law student. Do you?

There was no law to call since his actions were entirely legal.

How does this mean artifice? And what is more nobel than defending the rule of law, which this law student was doing?
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It is really sad that so many people are willing to give up their rights, simply because they have been taught the police are the good guys, and if you aren’t doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. The fact of the matter is, police departments stay updated on case law, and still purposely attempt to do things which they know the law does not permit. FACT: the police are not required to tell you your rights. If you don’t know them, and proceed to comply with the cops requests, your rights are deemed waived.
 Quoting: Shellbe


No, my rights aren't compromised by showing ID, but then I don't go looking for trouble and just do my thing...I do the speed limit for safety reasons...I signal when turning because it's polite...I don't flash my weapon around daring someone to call the police on me...
 Quoting: BRIEF


All those things you say are correct except for "I don't flash my weapon.......daring someone to call the police" and your rights aren't compromised by showing i.d.

Your rights can very definitely be compromised by the requirement to show i.d. That is what "show your papers"is all about. But I don't expect you to be able to understand just how dangerous this is in a ostensibly free country.

A securely holstered weapon means a securely holstered weapon.

Flashing a weapon has an entirely different meaning.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Showing ID is what I want to be able to put criminals away...I'm not wanted for a crime, therefore I do not fear showing who I am...
 Quoting: BRIEF


that is not the point to what this fellow is doing it is the law he shouldn't have to. you really beleive bad people don't get sttoped all the time and even ID and still don't walk away. i'd rather take my chances with the good people being left alone which i am one of too as yourself
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It is really sad that so many people are willing to give up their rights, simply because they have been taught the police are the good guys, and if you aren’t doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. The fact of the matter is, police departments stay updated on case law, and still purposely attempt to do things which they know the law does not permit. FACT: the police are not required to tell you your rights. If you don’t know them, and proceed to comply with the cops requests, your rights are deemed waived.
 Quoting: Shellbe


No, my rights aren't compromised by showing ID, but then I don't go looking for trouble and just do my thing...I do the speed limit for safety reasons...I signal when turning because it's polite...I don't flash my weapon around daring someone to call the police on me...
 Quoting: BRIEF


All those things you say are correct except for "I don't flash my weapon.......daring someone to call the police" and your rights aren't compromised by showing i.d.

Your rights can very definitely be compromised by the requirement to show i.d. That is what "show your papers"is all about. But I don't expect you to be able to understand just how dangerous this is in a ostensibly free country.

A securely holstered weapon means a securely holstered weapon.

Flashing a weapon has an entirely different meaning.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Showing ID is what I want to be able to put criminals away...I'm not wanted for a crime, therefore I do not fear showing who I am...
 Quoting: BRIEF


As I said you don't understand the implications of what you are saying. It is an easy thing to give up liberty in return for security.
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It is really sad that so many people are willing to give up their rights, simply because they have been taught the police are the good guys, and if you aren’t doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. The fact of the matter is, police departments stay updated on case law, and still purposely attempt to do things which they know the law does not permit. FACT: the police are not required to tell you your rights. If you don’t know them, and proceed to comply with the cops requests, your rights are deemed waived.
 Quoting: Shellbe


No, my rights aren't compromised by showing ID, but then I don't go looking for trouble and just do my thing...I do the speed limit for safety reasons...I signal when turning because it's polite...I don't flash my weapon around daring someone to call the police on me...
 Quoting: BRIEF


All those things you say are correct except for "I don't flash my weapon.......daring someone to call the police" and your rights aren't compromised by showing i.d.

Your rights can very definitely be compromised by the requirement to show i.d. That is what "show your papers"is all about. But I don't expect you to be able to understand just how dangerous this is in a ostensibly free country.

A securely holstered weapon means a securely holstered weapon.

Flashing a weapon has an entirely different meaning.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Showing ID is what I want to be able to put criminals away...I'm not wanted for a crime, therefore I do not fear showing who I am...
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Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution

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No, my rights aren't compromised by showing ID, but then I don't go looking for trouble and just do my thing...I do the speed limit for safety reasons...I signal when turning because it's polite...I don't flash my weapon around daring someone to call the police on me...
 Quoting: BRIEF


All those things you say are correct except for "I don't flash my weapon.......daring someone to call the police" and your rights aren't compromised by showing i.d.

Your rights can very definitely be compromised by the requirement to show i.d. That is what "show your papers"is all about. But I don't expect you to be able to understand just how dangerous this is in a ostensibly free country.

A securely holstered weapon means a securely holstered weapon.

Flashing a weapon has an entirely different meaning.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Showing ID is what I want to be able to put criminals away...I'm not wanted for a crime, therefore I do not fear showing who I am...
 Quoting: BRIEF


that is not the point to what this fellow is doing it is the law he shouldn't have to. you really beleive bad people don't get sttoped all the time and even ID and still don't walk away. i'd rather take my chances with the good people being left alone which i am one of too as yourself
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This guy would not be stopped if he wasn't flashing it around...a holstered gun doesn't draw attention, a gun in hand does...
I never forgive and I never forget

I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked.

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No, my rights aren't compromised by showing ID, but then I don't go looking for trouble and just do my thing...I do the speed limit for safety reasons...I signal when turning because it's polite...I don't flash my weapon around daring someone to call the police on me...
 Quoting: BRIEF


All those things you say are correct except for "I don't flash my weapon.......daring someone to call the police" and your rights aren't compromised by showing i.d.

Your rights can very definitely be compromised by the requirement to show i.d. That is what "show your papers"is all about. But I don't expect you to be able to understand just how dangerous this is in a ostensibly free country.

A securely holstered weapon means a securely holstered weapon.

Flashing a weapon has an entirely different meaning.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Showing ID is what I want to be able to put criminals away...I'm not wanted for a crime, therefore I do not fear showing who I am...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Chaos


What the cop did WAS reasonable...simply showing ID is reasonable, but refusing is not...
I never forgive and I never forget

I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked.

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No, it shows the police officer was making sure that the man carrying a gun is licensed to do so and this guy is just being cocky with his knowledge of law.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


This^^^^ I think is what happened. A cop should be able to stop someone on the street that is carrying and make sure that they are able to be carrying the gun. What if he was a thug trying to use the law to his advantage? What if he had in fact committed a crime? I understand from what the law student says that the law states that a cop can't clarify whether or not this guy is able to carry or not, but that is besides the point in my opinion. If I was the cop, I would have said that I had reasonable suspicion due to the nature of his response and the fact that people had called him in.
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Since what you are recommending is not supported by the laws on the books, the message you are sending in that our law enforcement officers should behave as they see fit, without adherence to a specific code of conduct that ensures their actions are legally justified.

If you don't agree with the Maine open carry law and feel it is dangerous, you need the state to modify or strike down the law. Or choose not to live there. The law permits this behavior so whether or not a criminal wants to open carry is irrelevant. Why would a criminal open carry anyway??? Does that even make any sense? If you are a criminal and intend to commit a crime, do you open carry so people will take out their cell phones and call the police on you?

The nature of the guy's response was absolutely justifiable. He stated his rights and even cited the the court cases that they originate from. It's his right not to supply his name and why should he risk his name being used in a police report or newspaper article? Additionally, people calling in to report a citizen who is open-carrying in accordance with state law does not qualify as 'reasonable suspicion' to detain and search an individual. None of this would hold up in the court of law.
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I think open carrying is weird. It kind of reminds me of the old west. I think gun duels when I think of legal open carrying. I understand that the cop should be following the law and the law student has every right to disagree to give the cop his ID due to the law, unless there is due suspicion, which I think is why the cop gave him back his gun without checking his ID. I feel uncomfortable around cops that are open carrying too but that's mostly because I don't like cops.
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Most likely you know nothing of the old west except what you learned from Hollywood. Gun duels were extremely rare.

They certainly don't happen now. If you can find or know of a case of open carriers engaging in a gun duel,I'd like to know.

If you can find or know of a case of a criminal open carrying I'd like to know as well.

The rest of your post is pretty good.
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All those things you say are correct except for "I don't flash my weapon.......daring someone to call the police" and your rights aren't compromised by showing i.d.

Your rights can very definitely be compromised by the requirement to show i.d. That is what "show your papers"is all about. But I don't expect you to be able to understand just how dangerous this is in a ostensibly free country.

A securely holstered weapon means a securely holstered weapon.

Flashing a weapon has an entirely different meaning.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Showing ID is what I want to be able to put criminals away...I'm not wanted for a crime, therefore I do not fear showing who I am...
 Quoting: BRIEF


that is not the point to what this fellow is doing it is the law he shouldn't have to. you really beleive bad people don't get sttoped all the time and even ID and still don't walk away. i'd rather take my chances with the good people being left alone which i am one of too as yourself
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This guy would not be stopped if he wasn't flashing it around...a holstered gun doesn't draw attention, a gun in hand does...
 Quoting: BRIEF


What a foolish assumption. If he was flashing it around do you think he would have been permitted to leave the scene without furnishing his name or I.D.?

Come on, think a little before you try and support your absent-minded opinions please.
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no, Brief, despite what you think, you know little to nothing of me.

I understand full well how the real world works, which doesnt mean that the principles that our country was founded on dont still exist, if only in imagination land.

Its more of a reaffirmation to people to not just bend to the will of authority simply because it is authority. In fact, it is our duty as citizens to challenge liberty robbing laws at every turn possible, lest we all be like you and a sniveling pussy who does what hes told just to get along.
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I carry concealed because I'm not an idiot that goes flashing my pistol around...if a person sees my pistol it's because they have threatened or attacked me...that guy is just a dick.
 Quoting: BRIEF


again....if it were illegal to open carry then you'd have a point. Just because its easier to conceal your weapon doesnt mean he has to.

You enjoy taking the easy way out, some people enjoy taking the right way out.
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Even in driving school they advise you not to force the right of way...just because you have the right doesn't make it the responsible thing to do...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Fortunately this isn't driving school, People
have been too "responsible" over the years and
so the government and other interests feel they
can just move in and take away the peoples right
to defend themselves. More people need to do what
this person did, stand up to injustice where ever
it may show itself. Imagine if everyone open carried....there might not be so much crime.
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No, my rights aren't compromised by showing ID, but then I don't go looking for trouble and just do my thing...I do the speed limit for safety reasons...I signal when turning because it's polite...I don't flash my weapon around daring someone to call the police on me...
 Quoting: BRIEF


All those things you say are correct except for "I don't flash my weapon.......daring someone to call the police" and your rights aren't compromised by showing i.d.

Your rights can very definitely be compromised by the requirement to show i.d. That is what "show your papers"is all about. But I don't expect you to be able to understand just how dangerous this is in a ostensibly free country.

A securely holstered weapon means a securely holstered weapon.

Flashing a weapon has an entirely different meaning.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Showing ID is what I want to be able to put criminals away...I'm not wanted for a crime, therefore I do not fear showing who I am...
 Quoting: BRIEF


As I said you don't understand the implications of what you are saying. It is an easy thing to give up liberty in return for security.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


you are so right. if you offer them the little finger they take the whole arm. we have almost nothing left of our true freedoms here. i choose to keep my leagal finger!! i will only show the finger to them ..haha
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It shows that the police abuses their authority to demand things they have no right to.
 Quoting: RoXY


You idiot.


This isn't the wild wild west people don't normally walk around carrying guns. Of course someone is going to call the police and of course an officer will have a few questions.

You act as if the cop ran up on him gun drawn demanding he drop his weapon and hit the ground.


I hope fucking idiots like the young man in this video have a serious emergency and need the police to save their lives. Then maybe they will understand how douchey it is to taunt them.



I guarentee he was only carrying the gun so this would happen. What a little prick. Side note- I bet he was a jewish.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15065851


You idiot.

People open carrying are entirely unremarkable in certain states. So confine your idiot comments to your particular sheep state.

Why in the world would anyone call the police to save their lives? Try reading the book "Dial 911 and die" But again I suspect that confronting people like you with the truth is like talking to a gerbil.

And last you can "guarantee" nothing about this unless you were there and you know the man in question.

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Showing ID is what I want to be able to put criminals away...I'm not wanted for a crime, therefore I do not fear showing who I am...
 Quoting: BRIEF


that is not the point to what this fellow is doing it is the law he shouldn't have to. you really beleive bad people don't get sttoped all the time and even ID and still don't walk away. i'd rather take my chances with the good people being left alone which i am one of too as yourself
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This guy would not be stopped if he wasn't flashing it around...a holstered gun doesn't draw attention, a gun in hand does...
 Quoting: BRIEF


What a foolish assumption. If he was flashing it around do you think he would have been permitted to leave the scene without furnishing his name or I.D.?

Come on, think a little before you try and support your absent-minded opinions please.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


It's legal to carry a weapon down the street, but it will draw attention and probably a call to the cops will be a result...I've open carried and concealed both...and nothing ever happened...for almost 20 years...everyday. This dick made it a point to get attention...
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I carry concealed because I'm not an idiot that goes flashing my pistol around...if a person sees my pistol it's because they have threatened or attacked me...that guy is just a dick.
 Quoting: BRIEF


again....if it were illegal to open carry then you'd have a point. Just because its easier to conceal your weapon doesnt mean he has to.

You enjoy taking the easy way out, some people enjoy taking the right way out.
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Even in driving school they advise you not to force the right of way...just because you have the right doesn't make it the responsible thing to do...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Fortunately this isn't driving school, People
have been too "responsible" over the years and
so the government and other interests feel they
can just move in and take away the peoples right
to defend themselves. More people need to do what
this person did, stand up to injustice where ever
it may show itself. Imagine if everyone open carried....there might not be so much crime.
 Quoting: Mr. D 4603964


I'd love it if everyone carried...I do :)
I never forgive and I never forget

I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked.

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what you fail to understand is the law allows them to stop you. Then it allows them to see if you can even have the gun. So the LAW allows them to hold you until they find out if you are legal with the weapon
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Ever read a court ruling? Apparently not!

Why do you think he was permitted to leave without divulging his name or furnishing his license???? The Supervisor that showed up knew the law! The responding officer did not. Simple as that.

Please read some court cases before you make false assumptions.
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the world you are in must be bliss im sure.. try going out in the real world once and carry your weapon.. see how fast the cops stop and talk to you.. try that for fact
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So what you're saying is you are scared of the police violating your rights afforded to you by your State Laws and Constitutional Laws? That's the exact attitude that TPTB want the sheep to have. Subdued and Submissive while your rights get trampled on. Do you want to be like a sheep ?

I would hope not.

And FYI, my state does not allow for open carry. If it did, I would absolutely feel comfortable doing so as my state granted RIGHT to engage in that behavior. If someone has a problem with it, they can educate themselves about the law. I don't bow down to the ignorance of others. I do not suggest you do so either.
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Scared of Police Violance.. wow you are a tool arent you.. I dont do anything wrong when I CCW or Open carry.. I dont flash it around hoping the cops come and talk to me.Even if a cop did come up to me and ask for ID or my permit I would show him.Cuz unlike the tool in this vid I have nothing to hide and dont need to be a asshole all my life. So half wit try again. go sheep some other place
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All those things you say are correct except for "I don't flash my weapon.......daring someone to call the police" and your rights aren't compromised by showing i.d.

Your rights can very definitely be compromised by the requirement to show i.d. That is what "show your papers"is all about. But I don't expect you to be able to understand just how dangerous this is in a ostensibly free country.

A securely holstered weapon means a securely holstered weapon.

Flashing a weapon has an entirely different meaning.
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Showing ID is what I want to be able to put criminals away...I'm not wanted for a crime, therefore I do not fear showing who I am...
 Quoting: BRIEF


that is not the point to what this fellow is doing it is the law he shouldn't have to. you really beleive bad people don't get sttoped all the time and even ID and still don't walk away. i'd rather take my chances with the good people being left alone which i am one of too as yourself
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This guy would not be stopped if he wasn't flashing it around...a holstered gun doesn't draw attention, a gun in hand does...
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i didn't see he was falshing it however maybe he was. i do know most people who are under the delusions cictzens with guns are scarry would report it as flashing even if it is holsterd. but i would never be afraid and i have lived a bit with the old west served liquor to them and used to ask them to take their guns outside they would sometimes forget knives too if the blades were too long. it was cool.
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that is not the point to what this fellow is doing it is the law he shouldn't have to. you really beleive bad people don't get sttoped all the time and even ID and still don't walk away. i'd rather take my chances with the good people being left alone which i am one of too as yourself
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This guy would not be stopped if he wasn't flashing it around...a holstered gun doesn't draw attention, a gun in hand does...
 Quoting: BRIEF


What a foolish assumption. If he was flashing it around do you think he would have been permitted to leave the scene without furnishing his name or I.D.?

Come on, think a little before you try and support your absent-minded opinions please.
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It's legal to carry a weapon down the street, but it will draw attention and probably a call to the cops will be a result...I've open carried and concealed both...and nothing ever happened...for almost 20 years...everyday. This dick made it a point to get attention...
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Made it a point to get attention by walking in public while open carrying? How else does one open-carry BRIEF?

And who really cares if nothing ever happened to you in 20 years? What difference does that make? If it does not happen to you then it doesn't happen elsewhere right?
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Showing ID is what I want to be able to put criminals away...I'm not wanted for a crime, therefore I do not fear showing who I am...
 Quoting: BRIEF


that is not the point to what this fellow is doing it is the law he shouldn't have to. you really beleive bad people don't get sttoped all the time and even ID and still don't walk away. i'd rather take my chances with the good people being left alone which i am one of too as yourself
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18624632


This guy would not be stopped if he wasn't flashing it around...a holstered gun doesn't draw attention, a gun in hand does...
 Quoting: BRIEF


i didn't see he was falshing it however maybe he was. i do know most people who are under the delusions cictzens with guns are scarry would report it as flashing even if it is holsterd. but i would never be afraid and i have lived a bit with the old west served liquor to them and used to ask them to take their guns outside they would sometimes forget knives too if the blades were too long. it was cool.
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He was looking for a confrontation so do you think he would film what lead up to the cops being called? LOL

I have walked into a bank with my 9mm in my belt...got a few looks but no one freaked out and called the police...
I never forgive and I never forget

I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked.

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Ever read a court ruling? Apparently not!

Why do you think he was permitted to leave without divulging his name or furnishing his license???? The Supervisor that showed up knew the law! The responding officer did not. Simple as that.

Please read some court cases before you make false assumptions.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


the world you are in must be bliss im sure.. try going out in the real world once and carry your weapon.. see how fast the cops stop and talk to you.. try that for fact
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3798339


So what you're saying is you are scared of the police violating your rights afforded to you by your State Laws and Constitutional Laws? That's the exact attitude that TPTB want the sheep to have. Subdued and Submissive while your rights get trampled on. Do you want to be like a sheep ?

I would hope not.

And FYI, my state does not allow for open carry. If it did, I would absolutely feel comfortable doing so as my state granted RIGHT to engage in that behavior. If someone has a problem with it, they can educate themselves about the law. I don't bow down to the ignorance of others. I do not suggest you do so either.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Scared of Police Violance.. wow you are a tool arent you.. I dont do anything wrong when I CCW or Open carry.. I dont flash it around hoping the cops come and talk to me.Even if a cop did come up to me and ask for ID or my permit I would show him.Cuz unlike the tool in this vid I have nothing to hide and dont need to be a asshole all my life. So half wit try again. go sheep some other place
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I think you are full of shit about open carrying because in your previous post you challenged me to open-carry and said "see how fast the cops stop and talk to you". Now you're saying you open-carry and have never been stopped by the police? That makes absolutely no sense.
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just sayin but i don't think i feel comfortable if someone is walking down the street with a gun in his hands...
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If the jewish people, the Fags, the Gypsies, and anyone else had had guns walking down the street, then your Hitler and his SS shitheads might have had their asses handed to them before mass murder of 6+++ millions of people.

Guns keep the dishonest cowed, and criminals in check.
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This guy would not be stopped if he wasn't flashing it around...a holstered gun doesn't draw attention, a gun in hand does...
 Quoting: BRIEF


What a foolish assumption. If he was flashing it around do you think he would have been permitted to leave the scene without furnishing his name or I.D.?

Come on, think a little before you try and support your absent-minded opinions please.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


It's legal to carry a weapon down the street, but it will draw attention and probably a call to the cops will be a result...I've open carried and concealed both...and nothing ever happened...for almost 20 years...everyday. This dick made it a point to get attention...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Made it a point to get attention by walking in public while open carrying? How else does one open-carry BRIEF?

And who really cares if nothing ever happened to you in 20 years? What difference does that make? If it does not happen to you then it doesn't happen elsewhere right?
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I've been around the block a few times sparky...

He made it a point to get attention with it unholstered and in his hand...
I never forgive and I never forget

I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked.

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The real issue here is that the dispatcher at the police department should have informed the concerned citizens that unless the man is in the act of committing a crime or has committed a crime they were witness to, he is perfectly within his legal right to carry a firearm in public and there are laws that allow people to do so. They could have sent a patrol car to the scene to monitor the individual from a distance, that is not illegal.

I thought he acted well within his rights. He was illegally stopped, given illegal orders, and gave the absolute minimum amount of information necessary to prove his point and be on his way. He wasn't cocky, he wasn't a dick, he wasn't rude, he was firm with his demand, that is it.

You people are so used to being compliant, the police aren't your keepers. They serve and protect, that doesn't give them the right to overstep their authority. If you allow them to do so they are acting within their rights as a police officer.

I will say, he is lucky he didn't bump into the wrong officer, the officer on the scene also handled himself well. Personally I think it was a good example all the way around of what is and isn't legal and how to stand up for your rights, if you don't, nobody will.
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that is not the point to what this fellow is doing it is the law he shouldn't have to. you really beleive bad people don't get sttoped all the time and even ID and still don't walk away. i'd rather take my chances with the good people being left alone which i am one of too as yourself
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18624632


This guy would not be stopped if he wasn't flashing it around...a holstered gun doesn't draw attention, a gun in hand does...
 Quoting: BRIEF


i didn't see he was falshing it however maybe he was. i do know most people who are under the delusions cictzens with guns are scarry would report it as flashing even if it is holsterd. but i would never be afraid and i have lived a bit with the old west served liquor to them and used to ask them to take their guns outside they would sometimes forget knives too if the blades were too long. it was cool.
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He was looking for a confrontation so do you think he would film what lead up to the cops being called? LOL

I have walked into a bank with my 9mm in my belt...got a few looks but no one freaked out and called the police...
 Quoting: BRIEF


breif man listen it's not up to him who calls. and when the cops showed up he was in his rights to do what he did. cops need to get back to the law. because what you say is we are all guilty first. i hope you come to understand that.





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