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MUTINY AGAINST POLICE at Mall Disaster Site, Canada

 
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By sunset on Monday a group of 90 nurses, retired miners, and support workers marched on a line of OPP officers (Ontario Provincial Police), blocking the front doors. They were prevented entry. A busload of additional OPP officers arrived Tuesday, presumably to remove debris.

But why were they armed with Tasers?

Politicians started scrambling. The Premier of Ontario, Dalton McGuinty, picked up the phone.

Why?

Because the rescue operation by the Toronto based Heavy Urban Search And Rescue Team was announced CANCELLED on Monday, WHILE there were still signs of life from the mall!

Bill Neadles, the bureaucrat in charge of this unit, handed back the rescue operations to local officials. He is quoted as saying this at his 5pm press meeting on Monday: "The demolition company that would be hired certainly would have to put into the plan a very respectful removal of the deceased that are in that building currently."

And so, the crane was removed from the site. Local officials at this time were left holding the bag, with the rescue team turning tail.

By sunset on Monday a group of 90 nurses, retired miners and support workers marched on a line of OPP officers blocking the front doors. They were prevented entry. A busload of additional OPP officers arrived Tuesday, presumably to remove debris.

The Toronto rescue team was rushed back to the site as a result of decisions behind-the-scenes, some long 19 hours later; because someone came up with a new and improved plan. It is unclear why this new plan wasn't acted on 19 hours earlier.

The collapse of the Algoma Mall in Elliot Lake occurred just after 2 pm ON SATURDAY.

This morning, Wednesday, the latest report is that an AMBULANCE is at the site, and the fiancé of a young woman who worked at a kiosk, missing since Saturday, has told the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation reporter Natalie Kalata that he has received "good news" from officials.

[link to www.cbc.ca]

WOULD THIS PERSON HAVE JUST BEEN LEFT TO DIE BY CANADIAN OFFICIALS?

Just as a sideline, Toronto has been the scene of an international Disaster-Emergency Convention; and on Saturday, some of the big shots from Toronto kept in touch with the community of Elliot Lake, in northern Ontario, by phone, instead of getting up there to coordinate the efforts, so badly needed early on.

"As rescuers in Elliot Lake work frantically to reach people trapped in a mall collapse, experts from around the world are in Toronto to talk rescue strategy at a disaster management conference." - Globe and Mail (link below).

[link to www.theglobeandmail.com]
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Here in the U.S. those people would have had their asses beat good!
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Chaotic decision making .... by cops rather than rescuers. Crowd control is their priority.
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"As rescuers in Elliot Lake work frantically to reach people trapped in a mall collapse, experts from around the world are in Toronto to talk rescue strategy at a disaster management conference

They were testing the public to see just how much they could get away with befor people would get off their asses pissed off.

They are constantly testing to see what the public will allow lately. Dangerous times we live in.
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"As rescuers in Elliot Lake work frantically to reach people trapped in a mall collapse, experts from around the world are in Toronto to talk rescue strategy at a disaster management conference

They were testing the public to see just how much they could get away with befor people would get off their asses pissed off.

They are constantly testing to see what the public will allow lately. Dangerous times we live in.
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^^^^this^^^^^
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Here in the U.S. those people would have had their asses beat good!
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yeah sure, right after dancing with the stars is over.

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Canada's government at all levels in inept and incompetent.
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"As rescuers in Elliot Lake work frantically to reach people trapped in a mall collapse, experts from around the world are in Toronto to talk rescue strategy at a disaster management conference

They were testing the public to see just how much they could get away with befor people would get off their asses pissed off.

They are constantly testing to see what the public will allow lately. Dangerous times we live in.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1477165




^^^^this^^^^^
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16213727


Well, THAT's worth repeating again!
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My flag is canadian, not the us flag of my mobile carrier and the actions of my government is up there with desertion and total dereliction of duty. Happy Canada day.. What a joke that day has become.
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My flag is canadian, not the us flag of my mobile carrier and the actions of my government is up there with desertion and total dereliction of duty. Happy Canada day.. What a joke that day has become.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 840068


Your government let you down, should not make you any less proud to be Canadian.
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If I had a family member missing in the collapse I would have been there attempting to get them out. The police would have had to kill me in order to stop me from doing it. How is it that in Haiti they kept searching well after it was thought everyone trapped must be dead and in Canada they gave up so soon? Until this brave group of people was willing to confront the police and take the risks, suddenly the pros/officials managed to have another plan.

And why was there a parking lot on a leeaking roof in the first place? It's not like Elliot Lake has a scarcity of land for parking.
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This is the new world. It's fucking sickening.

I've been wondering, since I read the report saying they "cancelled" the rescue effort, if Toronto based "Heavy Urban Search And Rescue Team" is a private firm.... That was the impression I got from the other article. I mean, who the fuck cancels a rescue mission? Never heard of such a thing. Only a private business would do such a thing.
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06/27/2012 11:04 AM
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10 years service in an English mountain rescue team (Langdale MRT, Cumbria, for those who know the area).

Now living in Canada, Northern Ontario.


It was a bloody joke up there from the beginning. Wait till we hear about the ex Mine Rescue boys up there being told they were surplus to requirements.
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06/27/2012 11:16 AM
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Censorship of what has been really going on up there in Elliot Lake came straight from the 'forked tongue'CNC, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.

Again and again, on the CBC News Comment Forum, below the online stories, you could find this:

"Comment and replies removed by CBC moderator."

But still, some information did get through from eyewitnesses.

Canadians are waking up, but the controlled media is doing everything it can to keep the lid on tight.
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Canada's government at all levels in inept and incompetent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8829929


humm... u should check your self first.
At least we are not putting trouble in the entire worlsd..
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Canada's government at all levels in inept and incompetent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8829929


humm... u should check your self first.
At least we are not putting trouble in the entire worlsd..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13316594


Accessories to crimes go to jail.
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Canada's government at all levels in inept and incompetent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8829929


humm... u should check your self first.
At least we are not putting trouble in the entire worlsd..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13316594


True, but doesn't make it a false statement either.
Actually, that could be said about every government in the world on current days.

Why would you enrage defending your government? Fanboyism towards governments is something that amazes me.
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This whole "rescue" operation is a god damned fucking joke.

SHAME on those idiots in charge. SHAME

I know if it were one of my family stuck in there, they'd have to arrest me or let me in because I know I couldn't do any worse than those jokers in charge are doing.

God, stupid fucking idiots. Arrgghh, just want to tell them all that they're fucking eejits.
Great Spirit, make me ready, for that last sunset, and my Spirit will come to you without shame.
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This whole "rescue" operation is a god damned fucking joke.

SHAME on those idiots in charge. SHAME

I know if it were one of my family stuck in there, they'd have to arrest me or let me in because I know I couldn't do any worse than those jokers in charge are doing.

God, stupid fucking idiots. Arrgghh, just want to tell them all that they're fucking eejits.
 Quoting: Raveninns


+1.

The victims families should launch a tide of law suits and sue the asses off of all the officials involved.
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The Canadian Govt is just copying the US Govt with it's response to Katrina.

As we in the US learned first hand the Central Government being IN CONTROL is much more important to it than saving the lives of citizens.

THE FIRST PRIORITY of ANY government is CONTROL!!

The stronger that the National Government is compared to local authorities the LESS it is going to concerned about doing anything useful and the MORE it will be concerned with CONTROL

Government ... forget about it doing doing something useful in a disaster situation ... it is virtually alwasys totally focused on CONTROLING the populous!

Decentralized governmental authorities, ie: local authorities if being left to operate on their own withOUT any central govenment authorities around, are MUCH more concerned about doing something useful, versus BEING IN CONTROL.
eternalu (OP)

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The Canadian Government Spinmeisters have already started backtracking. They think they can rewrite online history, less than 48 hours later. Maybe with the help of the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) they can!

Now we have the Commissioner of the Ontartio Provincial Police, Chris Lewis, saying STOPPING THE RESCUE EFFORTS on Monday night was only a "halt."

[link to www.cbc.ca]

Latest CBC story: "At the Wednesday mid-morning news conference, Lewis defended the halt and the resumption of the search, saying that earlier in the efforts, workers were doing their best in a quick way to find any survivors."

The people making the new comments online have pointed to the Ontario Ministry of Labour as being culpable here, per their regulations on what level of risk is not legally acceptable for the rescue squad from Toronto to take.

One person wrote at 11:02 am:

"Just reading the above twitter feed and I'm a bit shocked by OPP Commissioner's comments: "Search and Rescue paused....never intended to leave"? Maybe he wasn't listening to the same press conference that we were listening to. You know, the one where Bill Neadles, the spokesman for Heavy Urban SAR said they were giving up the search. He also said they were turning it over to locals and explained how the rescue mission was now a recovery mission. He even went into detail about how the Ministry of Labour was going to painstakingly and respectfully recover the bodies.


"I agree that there will be plenty of time for recrimination later....but why does the Commissioner of the OPP have to go into damage-control mode now?"

Other inputs:

"If this heavy equipment had been brought in much sooner, maybe there would have been more hope of finding some survivors. Why oh why did it take so long for those in charge to act! And to those who say that rescuers should never put their lives in danger I say this: Lifeboat crews put their lives in danger all the time, so do mountain avalanche rescue teams. Most of those are volunteers."

"Biggest mistake, not calling in that crane on Day 1 of this tragedy. Once that crane started working last night, it took what 10? 12 hours? to get the crews inside."
eternalu (OP)

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One man has summed it up:

I guess we will remember this event as a "Canadian Six Days War".


[link to www.cbc.ca]



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Canadian Mutiny.

No one got hurt and they didn't really DO anything...

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Why now?

Perhaps international news is watching them and there is no escape from that so they will proceed with efforts as they should have been doing. It is quite remarkable when an inch of international media gets involved how much good they can do if they are on the right side of morality and decency.
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Here in the U.S. those people would have had their asses beat good!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9943244


One would think, but remember Katrina? I think if it was in a town that was still standing, then yes, I think there would have been a whooping.
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The CBC has now REMOVED hundreds of comments from previous posters on the Algoma Mall story.

They are all gone.

The reports of the experienced miners and rescuers who were kept back from the scene for four days - now lost in cyberspace.

Canadians, please spread this thread on GLP.

The Ministry of Propaganda (CBC) is at work:




propoganda
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Here in the U.S. those people would have had their asses beat good!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9943244


One would think, but remember Katrina? I think if it was in a town that was still standing, then yes, I think there would have been a whooping.
 Quoting: FierySky


Actually, lots of people did get their asses shot for looting.

Unfortunately, it is a totally different example. This is one mall in a 100% functioning modern city.

If the Galleria collapsed, you had better bet your ass that people would be getting in there.

Don't forget that Canada is not like the United States - they really have a broadcasting structure more like Britain with the CBC. If this was in the States, you would have multiple local stations, multiple regional stations, and CNN-FOX-MSNBC up their ass.

Say what you want about the MSM here in the States, but they do serve a function which is unique in the world.
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Here in the U.S. those people would have had their asses beat good!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9943244


No. The ones who get their asses beaten are the hippies and other idiots who don't defend themselves. The Police is not all-powerful.
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Did they just say that the.... "privatized? search and rescue operations" were "canceled" due to "liability???" and Risk????

They are kidding I hope.......

.... and a shitload of "Global Experts" were in toronto,
....and didn't rush up there to "practice the trade" we the "Tax Payers" fucking pay them for...

Risk's comes with the job...,
... thats what they get paid for if not,
... back off and let real people do theirs...

... just fire the lot of them...
hire some real hero's...

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bsflag


The CBC has now REMOVED hundreds of comments from previous posters on the Algoma Mall story.

They are all gone.

The reports of the experienced miners and rescuers who were kept back from the scene for four days - now lost in cyberspace.

Canadians, please spread this thread on GLP.

The Ministry of Propaganda (CBC) is at work:




propoganda
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The CBC has become a tax-payer-supported Rothschilds propaganda arm.

They shamelessly lie all of the time - Lebanon, Lybia and now Syria.

That's Canada - you get to pay to be lied to.

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