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As Colorado Burns, Obama Cuts Firefighting Aircraft

 
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But as the wildfire in Colorado shows, readiness and flexibility are sometimes needed at home as much as abroad. Cutting more C-130s puts a greater strain on the entire Air Force fleet. It means fewer planes will be available for possible conversion to the MAFFS configuration. And that means that as hundreds of houses burn in Colorado, only eight planes can be called upon to help the thousands of firefighters on the ground. America should not have to make such tradeoffs: We can fight both aggressors and fires smarter and better, but only if we do it increasingly from the sky.



Just something else to increase the misery index on us all. Yes, he can!
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and two years ago the Republicans cut federal funding for firefighters, face it neither side gives a hoot about us.
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and two years ago the Republicans cut federal funding for firefighters, face it neither side gives a hoot about us.
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Firefighters are usually local. Not sure what federal fudning you are talking about but now every time anybody calls 9-1-1, here comes a huge fire truck. Even for ambulance calls and medical emergiencies.

I have been told it's a "first responder" union thing so that taxpayers end up paying both fire and ambulance every time Gramdpa falls out of bed.
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WHAT DID COLORADO DO TO OBAMA???

I BET THERE IS AN ANSWER IN THAT QUESTION!!!
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He could take the money it's going to cost the taxpayers for him to fly there in AirForce1 on Friday, and the cost of the Secret Service protecting him there, and pay for more firefighting aircraft...
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He could take the money it's going to cost the taxpayers for him to fly there in AirForce1 on Friday, and the cost of the Secret Service protecting him there, and pay for more firefighting aircraft...
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But as the wildfire in Colorado shows, readiness and flexibility are sometimes needed at home as much as abroad. Cutting more C-130s puts a greater strain on the entire Air Force fleet. It means fewer planes will be available for possible conversion to the MAFFS configuration. And that means that as hundreds of houses burn in Colorado, only eight planes can be called upon to help the thousands of firefighters on the ground. America should not have to make such tradeoffs: We can fight both aggressors and fires smarter and better, but only if we do it increasingly from the sky.



Just something else to increase the misery index on us all. Yes, he can!
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Isn't it the Republicans who are baying for cuts to social spending!!

Either the guy is a communist or a Scrooge! Make your minds up!!
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They're burning all the weed! ohno
I hate it when people say "We are not humans having a spiritual experience, we are spiritual beings having a human experience" Like, WTF does that change?
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He could take the money it's going to cost the taxpayers for him to fly there in AirForce1 on Friday, and the cost of the Secret Service protecting him there, and pay for more firefighting aircraft...
 Quoting: CuriosityCat1


following your logic, he could sell the White House and buy some planes as well.

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Fires go out when they want to . The Maffs are over rated and air craft put on an air show. They rarely do much to put out huge forest fires. The military is just using the fires to justify their programs. The air craft are the most visible ,so the public thinks they actually are putting the fire out. It is boots on the ground that count .
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But as the wildfire in Colorado shows, readiness and flexibility are sometimes needed at home as much as abroad. Cutting more C-130s puts a greater strain on the entire Air Force fleet. It means fewer planes will be available for possible conversion to the MAFFS configuration. And that means that as hundreds of houses burn in Colorado, only eight planes can be called upon to help the thousands of firefighters on the ground. America should not have to make such tradeoffs: We can fight both aggressors and fires smarter and better, but only if we do it increasingly from the sky.



Just something else to increase the misery index on us all. Yes, he can!
 Quoting: Bluebird


Isn't it the Republicans who are baying for cuts to social spending!!

Either the guy is a communist or a Scrooge! Make your minds up!!
 Quoting: Marxist


Military planes used to fight fires are hardly "social" spending.


So every evil this fuck does is OK and he should never be called on it because at some time some Republican did something?

Those of us who are Independents are just not going to buy that.

Really fuzzy logic.
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He could take the money it's going to cost the taxpayers for him to fly there in AirForce1 on Friday, and the cost of the Secret Service protecting him there, and pay for more firefighting aircraft...
 Quoting: CuriosityCat1


following your logic, he could sell the White House and buy some planes as well.
 Quoting: Von Mousetrapp


Not likely. The Republicans will probably demand that he use the proceeds to bailout their banker buddies.
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He could take the money it's going to cost the taxpayers for him to fly there in AirForce1 on Friday, and the cost of the Secret Service protecting him there, and pay for more firefighting aircraft...
 Quoting: CuriosityCat1


following your logic, he could sell the White House and buy some planes as well.
 Quoting: Von Mousetrapp


The White House is not his to sell. It is his campaigning that is resulting in his trip which is totally unnecessary. I don't think he knows squat about fighting fires.

Or anything else now that I think about it.
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Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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He could take the money it's going to cost the taxpayers for him to fly there in AirForce1 on Friday, and the cost of the Secret Service protecting him there, and pay for more firefighting aircraft...
 Quoting: CuriosityCat1


following your logic, he could sell the White House and buy some planes as well.
 Quoting: Von Mousetrapp


Not likely. The Republicans will probably demand that he use the proceeds to bailout their banker buddies.
 Quoting: Marxist


Yes, let's just totally change the subject, shall we?
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Fires go out when they want to . The Maffs are over rated and air craft put on an air show. They rarely do much to put out huge forest fires. The military is just using the fires to justify their programs. The air craft are the most visible ,so the public thinks they actually are putting the fire out. It is boots on the ground that count .
 Quoting: Black Diamond 18366463


Well, I had a firefighter tell me yesterday just the opposite. H sais a fire that size had to have aerial suport or it would not be contained until it ran out of things to burn.

So I don't know what to believe. But I think the MAFFS are definitely needed with a fire this large.

Last Edited by Bluebird on 06/28/2012 01:04 AM
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Given all the stimulus money and the amounts being thrown around on all manner of wastful stuff by this administration and the previous one, it would seem SOMETHING would be in place for dealing with these massive fires better than telling people to run like hell.
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It wouldn't matter if they had 30 or 40 additional MAFFS on huge fires of this size and type. The USFS has had problems with large air tankers so have gone to more and larger helicopters . All the military or Obama has to do is change priorities on what they want their fleet of c130's doing. This headline is a typical ploy by the Military Industrial Complex and the Obamatards. I would love to hear an excuse form the military as to why a few less aircraft leads to "we can't help the poor citizens of Colorado".If only I had a few more C130's none of this would have happened".
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Well, given that I'm in Colorado Springs, I'll speak to this.

The MAFFS have made little difference and they cannot do all that much good in terrain like Colorado's. They cannot maneuver valleys and deal with mountainsides.

Frankly, given the fact that we had C-130s running all day yesterday, and our city still burned ... well, eh. The helicopters and smaller Conairs have done WAY more good than these C-130s.

Just my observation, from the front line.
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May the Lord Jesus Christ protect you and your own. hf
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following your logic, he could sell the White House and buy some planes as well.
 Quoting: Von Mousetrapp


Not likely. The Republicans will probably demand that he use the proceeds to bailout their banker buddies.
 Quoting: Marxist


Yes, let's just totally change the subject, shall we?
 Quoting: Bluebird


Why? You accuse a capitalist party that is largely impotent bar a few gestures when the real culprits (the Republicans who wield a lot more power in the US) are not contextualised.

The Democrats were a landowning Southern party. They never quite ingratiated themselves with the Northern capitalists, even when they re-invented themselves as a socially liberal party. The Republicans remain the party of American capitalism and it is them you should be aiming this thread at.
 Quoting: Marxist


It makes no sense to blame the opposite party for Obama's Defense cuts.

But then one excuse is just about as good as another, isn't it?

These fires are nothing new and by now there should be in place a course of action for dealing with them.
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Well, given that I'm in Colorado Springs, I'll speak to this.

The MAFFS have made little difference and they cannot do all that much good in terrain like Colorado's. They cannot maneuver valleys and deal with mountainsides.

Frankly, given the fact that we had C-130s running all day yesterday, and our city still burned ... well, eh. The helicopters and smaller Conairs have done WAY more good than these C-130s.

Just my observation, from the front line.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18415601



The Air Force is taking the largest of the defense cuts so I don't know about availability of the helicopters, but whatever works!

I just hate to see so little being done.

BTW, I lived on North Cascade and attenede Colorado College a couple of years a long time ago.

Beautiful city and so sad to think of so much of it burning. I pray the people will be safe.
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AND, make more bombs too, tanks guns and bullets to protect our country.

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Well, given that I'm in Colorado Springs, I'll speak to this.

The MAFFS have made little difference and they cannot do all that much good in terrain like Colorado's. They cannot maneuver valleys and deal with mountainsides.

Frankly, given the fact that we had C-130s running all day yesterday, and our city still burned ... well, eh. The helicopters and smaller Conairs have done WAY more good than these C-130s.

Just my observation, from the front line.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18415601



The Air Force is taking the largest of the defense cuts so I don't know about availability of the helicopters, but whatever works!

I just hate to see so little being done.

BTW, I lived on North Cascade and attenede Colorado College a couple of years a long time ago.

Beautiful city and so sad to think of so much of it burning. I pray the people will be safe.
 Quoting: Bluebird


I can only assume you consider it "so little being done" because they didn't put it out right away.

Unfortunately, nature trumps us most of the time. What happened yesterday was absolutely an act of unfortunate circumstances for people who live up against the wild forest lands, but it WAS nature at work.

There is NOT "so little being done." We have over 1000 boots on the ground fighting this now, in addition to more helicopters and smaller aircraft than you can count in one visual sweep of the mountains. However, when winds come up or smoke clouds vision, they HAVE to ground aircraft (and the first to be grounded are these C-130s).

People on the ground can only do so much, and we can only have so many aircraft maneuvering the sky at one time. Sometimes we can't even have that, because of nature's behavior.

Our fire, in particular, is THE number one priority fire in the entire country. THE number one priority. So MUCH is being done, but only so much CAN be done.

Unfortunately.
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Well, it's great to know that all that can be done is being done and there is nothing more anybody can do.

Very rare in a disaster of this size.

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and two years ago the Republicans cut federal funding for firefighters, face it neither side gives a hoot about us.
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Link or STFU.
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Meteorite report grounds firefighting aircraft in Colorado

Published June 20, 2012

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Authorities say reports of a possible meteorite or meteor shower briefly grounded firefighting aircraft battling a central Colorado wildfire.

Meteorologist Scott Entrekin of the National Weather Service says emergency officials in Chafee County reported a possible meteor in the skies near the Springer Fire. They briefly grounded four single-engine aircraft fighting the 1,100-acre blaze west of Colorado Springs.

Entrekin said Wednesday that the crews of two commercial aircraft flying over Liberal, Kan., reported what appeared to be a meteorite at 12:47 p.m. MDT. He said the Colorado sighting occurred at about the same time.

The Federal Aviation Administration says it has no confirmed reports of a meteorite. It says there were no reported disruptions to commercial airlines.



Meteor Sightings Ground Flights, Reports From CO, NM, and KS... June 20, 2012

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and two years ago the Republicans cut federal funding for firefighters, face it neither side gives a hoot about us.
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Link or STFU.
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So whose been pressing for all sort sof cuts in your country. Obama the communist!!!lmao
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and two years ago the Republicans cut federal funding for firefighters, face it neither side gives a hoot about us.
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Link or STFU.
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So whose been pressing for all sort sof cuts in your country. Obama the communist!!!lmao
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Only in the Pentagon does he want cuts. Plenty of money for any and everybody else in the world, however.
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Given all the stimulus money and the amounts being thrown around on all manner of wastful stuff by this administration and the previous one, it would seem SOMETHING would be in place for dealing with these massive fires better than telling people to run like hell.
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On that point, you and I are in absolute agreement.
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and two years ago the Republicans cut federal funding for firefighters, face it neither side gives a hoot about us.
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Link or STFU.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15978808


So whose been pressing for all sort sof cuts in your country. Obama the communist!!!lmao
 Quoting: Marxist


Only in the Pentagon does he want cuts. Plenty of money for any and everybody else in the world, however.
 Quoting: Bluebird


It's strange how opinions can vary. However, Obama has been hamstrung by the Republicans and that has been pretty much public.

I am by no means an admirer of any capitalist politician but where one supports and votes for particular outcomes, one should live with the consequences. Obama is by no means an austerity man coming from the wing of capitalist managers who are Keynesian. The Republicans on the other hand are the cost cutters.

Lets at least get that right.
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Link or STFU.
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So whose been pressing for all sort sof cuts in your country. Obama the communist!!!lmao
 Quoting: Marxist


Only in the Pentagon does he want cuts. Plenty of money for any and everybody else in the world, however.
 Quoting: Bluebird


It's strange how opinions can vary. However, Obama has been hamstrung by the Republicans and that has been pretty much public.

I am by no means an admirer of any capitalist politician but where one supports and votes for particular outcomes, one should live with the consequences. Obama is by no means an austerity man coming from the wing of capitalist managers who are Keynesian. The Republicans on the other hand are the cost cutters.

Lets at least get that right.
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Are you high? You are not even in this country! Obama is a piece of shit. Nobody has to live with anything. That is what voting is about. Change the politicians if they are incompetent.

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