The FED's 99 Year Charter Ends on 12/21/2012, How Come No One Is Talking About This??? | |
The_New _Guy User ID: 10903618 Canada 06/28/2012 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Federal Reserve Act Quoting: willard 18745444 Section 31. Reservation of Right to Amend 1. Reservation of Right to Amend The right to amend, alter, or repeal this Act is hereby expressly reserved Can anyone explain what this actually allows the FED to ammend? Would there be a reason to think it would NOT include being able to change the lease term? From what I can surmise, there was a sunset clause built into the Federal Reserve Act that required the Ratification of 2/3 of the States to "Re-Authorize" the charter, but the original txt of the Federal Reserve Act is hard to find, because it almost seems like "Someone" wants to keep it secret...all I can find on the Federal Register is a "Synopsis".... It is also possible Congress could issue an entirely new Charter under a slightly different business name I suppose, and under the language available in the Synopsis, it appears congress might have to act to either Abolish or Re-Enact the Charter, so they may just choose to do nothing, even though a Charter exceeding 99 years is entirely illegal, then someone would have to sue to prove that well established legal precedent... That certainly sounds like something congress would have no problem carrying out! Also, is this not the original text? [link to www.llsdc.org] Last Edited by ITISWHATITISN'T on 06/28/2012 03:40 PM |
katiepea User ID: 4707472 United States 06/28/2012 03:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i love when people read something on here, deem it "extremely important" whilst having done 0 investigation. sorry. the federal reserve act does not expire on 12/21/2012. it never expires, it can only be repealed by congress. that's pretty much the end of that topic. anyone saying differently is lying. |
Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 87490 United States 06/28/2012 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Federal Reserve Act Quoting: willard 18745444 Section 31. Reservation of Right to Amend 1. Reservation of Right to Amend The right to amend, alter, or repeal this Act is hereby expressly reserved Can anyone explain what this actually allows the FED to ammend? Would there be a reason to think it would NOT include being able to change the lease term? From what I can surmise, there was a sunset clause built into the Federal Reserve Act that required the Ratification of 2/3 of the States to "Re-Authorize" the charter, but the original txt of the Federal Reserve Act is hard to find, because it almost seems like "Someone" wants to keep it secret...all I can find on the Federal Register is a "Synopsis".... It is also possible Congress could issue an entirely new Charter under a slightly different business name I suppose, and under the language available in the Synopsis, it appears congress might have to act to either Abolish or Re-Enact the Charter, so they may just choose to do nothing, even though a Charter exceeding 99 years is entirely illegal, then someone would have to sue to prove that well established legal precedent... That certainly sounds like something congress would have no problem carrying out! Also, is this not the original text? [link to www.llsdc.org] Regarding the link, it could be, but I have looked at several examples of the "Supposedly" original 1913 Federal Reserve Act online from non-government websites, and there are differences in some of them, and I mean substantial differences, so I was hoping to find the Original Text on the Federal Register, but all I can bring up is the "Synopsis"... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 87490 United States 06/28/2012 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i love when people read something on here, deem it "extremely important" whilst having done 0 investigation. sorry. the federal reserve act does not expire on 12/21/2012. it never expires, it can only be repealed by congress. that's pretty much the end of that topic. anyone saying differently is lying. Quoting: katiepea Please elaborate on your exhaustive research and provide us some rebuttal links then, I would love to see them, because from what I've seen, which is actual Legal Precedent, the Fed is a Federally Chartered Privately owned Company, and Charters can be at a maximum a 99 year Leasehold, in other words,THE MAXIMUM TERM OF A LEASEHOLD IS 99 YEARS, this well established Legal Precedent trumps everything I've seen on Non-Governmental websites, who mostly just say: It's not so, but provide no evidence as to why... Last Edited by Saddletramp on 06/28/2012 03:57 PM "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
bendinglight User ID: 2143478 United States 06/28/2012 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Woodrow Wilson Laments Signing The Federal Reserve Into Law Quoting: CoiNmaN President Woodrow Wilson, who signed the illegal Federal Reserve Act of 1913 into law, had this to say before his death, concerning his signing this act into law. . . [link to www.larrywishon.com] this is the kind of stuff that I can't believe more people don't pay attention to!! |
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Venus Alcyone User ID: 1448151 United States 06/28/2012 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Federal Reserve Act was passed and signed by Woodrow Wilson during the Congressional Christmas Break in 1913. The Federal Reserve is a private company owned by several multi-national bank holding companies and in the Federal Reserve Act the Fed recieved a 99 year charter. This charter expires on 12/21/2012 and in order to be re-chartered it is supposed to take the ratification of 2/3 of the states, just like a constitutional amendment... Quoting: Saddletramp Yet not a single politician or anyone in the Financial Media is talking about this, even the Fed isn't asking congressmen or the executive branch to act on this... Makes you wonder if this current crisis isn't engineered to fast track this re-charter through an Emergency Act...Naw, that would be a Conpiracy!!! Because the fix is in and they will get another 99 years to fuck us. JMHO |
bendinglight User ID: 2143478 United States 06/28/2012 04:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Federal Reserve Act Quoting: willard 18745444 Section 31. Reservation of Right to Amend 1. Reservation of Right to Amend The right to amend, alter, or repeal this Act is hereby expressly reserved Can anyone explain what this actually allows the FED to ammend? Would there be a reason to think it would NOT include being able to change the lease term? From what I can surmise, there was a sunset clause built into the Federal Reserve Act that required the Ratification of 2/3 of the States to "Re-Authorize" the charter, but the original txt of the Federal Reserve Act is hard to find, because it almost seems like "Someone" wants to keep it secret...all I can find on the Federal Register is a "Synopsis".... It is also possible Congress could issue an entirely new Charter under a slightly different business name I suppose, and under the language available in the Synopsis, it appears congress might have to act to either Abolish or Re-Enact the Charter, so they may just choose to do nothing, even though a Charter exceeding 99 years is entirely illegal, then someone would have to sue to prove that well established legal precedent... Of course anyone with the money and balls to sue the Fed might end up like Lincoln (who tried to abolish the Central Bank of his time through issuing United States Currency to pay off the Civil War debt), or John Kennedy (who took on the Fed by also trying to issue United States Currency). Both of these Presidents ended up dead shortly after printing some of this "United States Currency" (as is authorized in the Constitution)... TO THIS! I would also like to add this in for the record Louis T McFadden whom was against the FED and was also killed. Here is a quote In the House of Representatives 10 June 1932: "Mr. Chairman, we have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks. The Federal Reserve Board, a Government board, has cheated the Government of the United States and the people of the United States out of enough money to pay the national debt. The depredations and iniquities of the Federal Reserve Board has cost this country enough money to pay the national debt several times over. This evil institution has impoverished and ruined the people of the United States, has bankrupted itself, and has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through the defects of the law under which it operates, through the maladministration of that law by the Federal Reserve Board, and through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it. Some people think the Federal Reserve banks are United States Government institutions. They are not Government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders. In that dark crew of financial pirates there are those who would cut a man's throat to get a dollar out of his pocket; there are those who send money into States to buy votes to control our legislation; and there are those who maintain international propaganda for the purpose of deceiving us and of wheedling us into the granting of new concessions which will permit them to cover up their past misdeeds and set again in motion their gigantic train of crime. ... Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States. It controls everything here and it controls all our foreign relations. It makes and breaks governments at will. No man and no body of men is more entrenched in power than the arrogant credit monopoly which operates the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks. These evil-doers have robbed this country of more than enough money to pay the national debt. What the National Government has permitted the Federal Reserve Board to steal from the people should now be restored to the people." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 9107938 United States 06/28/2012 04:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have heard this is a 99 (and also 100) year charter that expires soon but have never actually seen proof. I doubt the central bankers would allow a time limit on their crimes against humanity. I doubt they said "hey, lets fuck over the human race but only for 99 years". |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 13073356 United States 06/28/2012 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have heard this is a 99 (and also 100) year charter that expires soon but have never actually seen proof. I doubt the central bankers would allow a time limit on their crimes against humanity. I doubt they said "hey, lets fuck over the human race but only for 99 years". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9107938 perhaps they are behind on their timeline. they may have had different plans which didn't fall thru. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 502821 United States 06/28/2012 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fed didn't sign a charter and it doesn't expire ever. Only congress can abolish it Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1259884 I got the impression that Congress signs into effect charters (and probably gets a bonus for it)... I had read that Andrew Jackson had played a large part in blocking the charter from renewing. From wiki: [link to en.wikipedia.org] "The Bank War refers to the political struggle that developed over the issue of rechartering the Second Bank of the United States (BUS) during the Andrew Jackson administration (1829–1837).[1] Anti-BUS Jacksonian Democrats were mobilized in opposition to the national bank’s reauthorization on the grounds that the institution conferred economic privileges on financial elites, violating Republican principles of social equality.[2] With the Bank charter due to expire in 1836... When Congress voted to reauthorize the Bank, Jackson, as incumbent and candidate in the race, promptly vetoed the bill. His veto message justifying his action was a polemical declaration of the social philosophy of the Jacksonian movement [5][6] pitting “farmers, mechanics and laborers” against the “rich and powerful” and arguing against the Bank’s constitutionality.[3][7] Pro-Bank interests warned the public that Jackson would abolish the Bank altogether if granted a second term... Instead of allowing the Bank to go out of existence, Biddle arranged its conversion to a state chartered corporation in Pennsylvania just weeks before its federal charter expired in March 1836. This episode in the Bank’s decline and fall ended in 1841 with liquidation of the institution. Jackson’s campaign against the Bank had triumphed..." It seems that Andrew Jackson called the place a den of vipers. |
smokahontas User ID: 17056372 United States 06/28/2012 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
Brian8888 User ID: 18310198 United States 06/28/2012 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fed didn't sign a charter and it doesn't expire ever. Only congress can abolish it Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1259884 I got the impression that Congress signs into effect charters (and probably gets a bonus for it)... I had read that Andrew Jackson had played a large part in blocking the charter from renewing. From wiki: [link to en.wikipedia.org] "The Bank War refers to the political struggle that developed over the issue of rechartering the Second Bank of the United States (BUS) during the Andrew Jackson administration (1829–1837).[1] Anti-BUS Jacksonian Democrats were mobilized in opposition to the national bank’s reauthorization on the grounds that the institution conferred economic privileges on financial elites, violating Republican principles of social equality.[2] With the Bank charter due to expire in 1836... When Congress voted to reauthorize the Bank, Jackson, as incumbent and candidate in the race, promptly vetoed the bill. His veto message justifying his action was a polemical declaration of the social philosophy of the Jacksonian movement [5][6] pitting “farmers, mechanics and laborers” against the “rich and powerful” and arguing against the Bank’s constitutionality.[3][7] Pro-Bank interests warned the public that Jackson would abolish the Bank altogether if granted a second term... Instead of allowing the Bank to go out of existence, Biddle arranged its conversion to a state chartered corporation in Pennsylvania just weeks before its federal charter expired in March 1836. This episode in the Bank’s decline and fall ended in 1841 with liquidation of the institution. Jackson’s campaign against the Bank had triumphed..." It seems that Andrew Jackson called the place a den of vipers. Assassinated much!? YOU ARE ME |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7110254 Thailand 06/28/2012 05:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i love when people read something on here, deem it "extremely important" whilst having done 0 investigation. sorry. the federal reserve act does not expire on 12/21/2012. it never expires, it can only be repealed by congress. that's pretty much the end of that topic. anyone saying differently is lying. Quoting: katiepea Please elaborate on your exhaustive research and provide us some rebuttal links then, I would love to see them, because from what I've seen, which is actual Legal Precedent, the Fed is a Federally Chartered Privately owned Company, and Charters can be at a maximum a 99 year Leasehold, in other words,THE MAXIMUM TERM OF A LEASEHOLD IS 99 YEARS, this well established Legal Precedent trumps everything I've seen on Non-Governmental websites, who mostly just say: It's not so, but provide no evidence as to why... Well, the only problem is that the Federal Reserve, and the people that own it, control and own the federal government and everything else. So they will do whatever they want, regardless of your or my interpretation of their charter. You could be right, but it doesn't matter. They will rewrite the rules, so to speak. The Republic is dead. |
Brian8888 User ID: 18310198 United States 06/28/2012 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i love when people read something on here, deem it "extremely important" whilst having done 0 investigation. sorry. the federal reserve act does not expire on 12/21/2012. it never expires, it can only be repealed by congress. that's pretty much the end of that topic. anyone saying differently is lying. Quoting: katiepea Please elaborate on your exhaustive research and provide us some rebuttal links then, I would love to see them, because from what I've seen, which is actual Legal Precedent, the Fed is a Federally Chartered Privately owned Company, and Charters can be at a maximum a 99 year Leasehold, in other words,THE MAXIMUM TERM OF A LEASEHOLD IS 99 YEARS, this well established Legal Precedent trumps everything I've seen on Non-Governmental websites, who mostly just say: It's not so, but provide no evidence as to why... Well, the only problem is that the Federal Reserve, and the people that own it, control and own the federal government and everything else. So they will do whatever they want, regardless of your or my interpretation of their charter. You could be right, but it doesn't matter. They will rewrite the rules, so to speak. The Republic is dead. i love when people read something on here, deem it "extremely important" whilst having done 0 investigation. sorry. the federal reserve act does not expire on 12/21/2012. it never expires, it can only be repealed by congress. that's pretty much the end of that topic. anyone saying differently is lying. Quoting: katiepea Please elaborate on your exhaustive research and provide us some rebuttal links then, I would love to see them, because from what I've seen, which is actual Legal Precedent, the Fed is a Federally Chartered Privately owned Company, and Charters can be at a maximum a 99 year Leasehold, in other words,THE MAXIMUM TERM OF A LEASEHOLD IS 99 YEARS, this well established Legal Precedent trumps everything I've seen on Non-Governmental websites, who mostly just say: It's not so, but provide no evidence as to why... Well, the only problem is that the Federal Reserve, and the people that own it, control and own the federal government and everything else. So they will do whatever they want, regardless of your or my interpretation of their charter. You could be right, but it doesn't matter. They will rewrite the rules, so to speak. The Republic is dead. Cue violins............ YOU ARE ME |
Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 87490 United States 06/28/2012 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The "Twenty" year charters I've heard banty'd about today comes from (Sec. 4 of the Federal Reserve Act) and prescribe that the individual Federal Reserve Banks, (ie. Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, etc) have a Charter term of twenty years that can be renewed by the Federal Reserve Board of Governors... The Main Body Federal Reserve had no specific Charter limit imposed when the act was passed, meaning Legal Precedent should be in effect, and the Maximum Term of a Leasehold (which is what a charter is) is 99 years...The Act was admitted to the Congressional Record on December 20, 1913, and signed into law on December 23, 1913 by Woodrow Wilson... THOSE ARE THE INDISPUTABLE FACTS ABOUT THIS ORGANIZATION... However, I can find no sunset clause, meaning the ratification by 2/3 of the states would be to change the constitution to allow a Central Bank, which really should have been done in the first place since the United States Treasury and Comptroller of the Currency are the ones who are supposed to issue all United States Currency according to the Constitution...must be why these are called "Federal Reserve Notes" rather than "United States Currency", to circumvent the United States Constitution... Because the Fed is a privately owned banking corporation, I still believe the 99 year Charter limitation applies, but I would bet someone will have to take this to Court to test it... Last Edited by Saddletramp on 06/28/2012 06:29 PM "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 87490 United States 06/28/2012 06:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Pin has been removed for more current news, so I want to thank everyone who has supplied meaningful information, pro and con. I learned a few things... Last Edited by Saddletramp on 06/28/2012 06:48 PM "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 502821 United States 06/28/2012 06:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fed didn't sign a charter and it doesn't expire ever. Only congress can abolish it Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1259884 I got the impression that Congress signs into effect charters (and probably gets a bonus for it)... I had read that Andrew Jackson had played a large part in blocking the charter from renewing. From wiki: [link to en.wikipedia.org] "The Bank War refers to the political struggle that developed over the issue of rechartering the Second Bank of the United States (BUS) during the Andrew Jackson administration (1829–1837).[1] Anti-BUS Jacksonian Democrats were mobilized in opposition to the national bank’s reauthorization on the grounds that the institution conferred economic privileges on financial elites, violating Republican principles of social equality.[2] With the Bank charter due to expire in 1836... When Congress voted to reauthorize the Bank, Jackson, as incumbent and candidate in the race, promptly vetoed the bill. His veto message justifying his action was a polemical declaration of the social philosophy of the Jacksonian movement [5][6] pitting “farmers, mechanics and laborers” against the “rich and powerful” and arguing against the Bank’s constitutionality.[3][7] Pro-Bank interests warned the public that Jackson would abolish the Bank altogether if granted a second term... Instead of allowing the Bank to go out of existence, Biddle arranged its conversion to a state chartered corporation in Pennsylvania just weeks before its federal charter expired in March 1836. This episode in the Bank’s decline and fall ended in 1841 with liquidation of the institution. Jackson’s campaign against the Bank had triumphed..." It seems that Andrew Jackson called the place a den of vipers. Assassinated much!? Hello, I don't think Andrew Jackson was assassinated, but it seemed there was multiple attempts on his life though, and that his wife did die over auspicious circumstances though... Here is webpage talking about Andrew Jackson and his references for pit vipers. [link to treebord.webs.com] |
CoiNmaN User ID: 18700294 United States 06/28/2012 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Woodrow Wilson Laments Signing The Federal Reserve Into Law Quoting: CoiNmaN President Woodrow Wilson, who signed the illegal Federal Reserve Act of 1913 into law, had this to say before his death, concerning his signing this act into law. . . [link to www.larrywishon.com] "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by it system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world. No longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but of Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." This is a man that died knowing that he had sold his country to a bunch of international bankers. There were rumors that he was black-mailed into signing it, but I doubt it. He was a very liberal progressive, and I think he knew what he was doing. I don't think the Rothschilds are above black-mailing a sitting president, but I doubt that was necessary in this case. he may have been blackmailed the way the gov runs i dont doubt it why would he say what he did before he died if they hadn't blackmailed him 2009lincolncent.com |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7057750 United States 06/28/2012 10:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This expiration claim appears to be bogus. There is no expiration date in the charter that I've ever seen. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3228712 All Seeing Eye of Providence on the back of the One Dollar Bill confirms the 12/21 date: 12/21 = 269 = all seeing eye now as far as that date being the 'expiration' date -- that is another story |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5478475 United States 07/09/2012 01:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the First Bank of America's (pre Fed) charter expired in 1864,,, Abraham Lincoln was not going to renew. An assasins bullet assured it was. President Kennedy signed executive order 11110 in July of 1963 returning the power to print money back to the Dept. of Treasury, shot in Nov. the 1st act as president, Johnson retracted said order.... No one will stand up to the Federal Reserve...It is death sentence Quoting: smokahontas I believe 11110 was never retracted, just ignored. |