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They are still figuring it out, but apparently in 2014 if you earn $50,000 your "TAX" will be $500!!! Then in 2015 it will "skyrocket"!!!!!! (What the hell do they call $500??) And that's ON TOP OF ANY TAXES YOU ALREADY PAY!!!!
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Don't forget about the inflation tax of 10% every year that isn't in your tax forms.
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Plus Bush's tax cuts expire in January....
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Can anyone answer a questions I have?

If someone chooses not to get health insurance, and pay the tax, which I assume gets paid to the government, yet this person goes to the ER who pays the ER? Does the governement reimburse the ER?
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Yes the govt pays the expense just like it does in Medicaid now. They set the price, they/we/you pay via the govt which only has money it takes from us the taxpayers or prints.

If the set price isn't really enough to cover the real cost?...the hospital or whatever provider eats the difference or raises costs elsewhere to keep above water.
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Secession anyone?
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There is NO WAY I am gonna be able to stomach Obammy on TV in a few minutes, so I'm counting on you guys to do the heavy lifting and tell me what he says.
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Welcome to the end of America, folks. The day she died, and we just sat by and watched it happen. As Phen has often said before: "This is no longer my country."
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Secession anyone?
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Forget it...remember a little thing called "THE CIVAL WAR"?..it's been decided and there isn't going to be any secession happening.
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I will post it as soon as it's put up!!!!
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Ummm. Am I reading the opinion correctly in that they cannot force states to participate? Can't withhold Medicare payments, etc. if so, does this allow individuals residing in those states to "opt out" as well? Would they still be subject to the TAX?
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Well...the actual decision is not posted yet. Seems it's still being digested, but so far the overall opinion of SCOTUS digestors is that Obamacare and the individual mandate have survived with some minor tweeking of semantics.

Fuckin Roberts screwed us....
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Not actually. If they call the mandate a TAX and not a FINE then Obama has lied in saying that he would never TAX the middle class. NOW he has added about 1 trillion dollar tax to the middle class. Obama is going down.
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They are still figuring it out, but apparently in 2014 if you earn $50,000 your "TAX" will be $500!!! Then in 2015 it will "skyrocket"!!!!!! (What the hell do they call $500??) And that's ON TOP OF ANY TAXES YOU ALREADY PAY!!!!

Folks, in November we will vote for Obama or Not Obama. My first choice to solve this travesty is Ron Paul, but it is sadly apparent that he will not be on the ticket. They are even keeping his delegates from attending the Convention.

So, I will hold my nose and vote for "Not Obama"......
 Quoting: Eggcellent


Ron Paul would not use exectutive orders to even at least wound this monster...in fact the ruling from Roberts is very much a RP style opinion..."We can't do anything because they aren't violating an exact interpretation of the constitution as I see it."...so you live with it and we'll clarify the wording.

I remember getting the concept a while back that all this POS ACA would do is ultimately add 30 million people give or take to MEDICAID...it appears that is what has happened.

You either pay for a healthcare plan that the govt deems is sufficient or you pay a tax/fine and go on MEDICAID..that's the bottom line.

What will happen is a cluster fuck of epic proportions when every scammer cranks up the medicaid fruad which is already rampant and every ACORN retard with a copying machine begins the work of gathering the formally "disinfranchised" army to line up and get that healthcare/wellcare..blah blah blah and the entire system becomes a revolving door money machine the likes of which we have never seen on earth and certainly cannot afford.

If we wanted to create a near perfect Cloward/Piven text book super bomb?...I'd say it just happened...
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SHR,

Yes, this is CLOWARD-PIVEN to the ultimate!

This passes in spite of the events in the EU even as we speak.


It will break the back of the country for sure given the non-productive segments of our population.


The government literally now has the power of life and death over us all.
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Fuck that traitor Roberts.
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^That^
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Chicago politics, that turn coat was fucking bought. God help us if this fall we don't vote theses cocksuckers out. Never thought I would see the greatest country in the world, fold so easy. our forefathers are so proud..

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What is wrong with you people? Seriously! I hope the hatred you spew consumes you, because eventually it will.
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What is wrong with us is that we don't want to be allowed to die at the decision of panels addressing how cost effective it is to keep us alive.

Silly and hateful things like that.
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Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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WATCH LIVE: Obama speaks on Supreme Court health care ruling
[link to www.rawstory.com]
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Secession anyone?
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I'm in. What state is likely to go?

Last Edited by Doomamatrix on 06/28/2012 12:10 PM
Obamacare: Never has so much been taken away from so many for so few.
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Can anyone answer a questions I have?

If someone chooses not to get health insurance, and pay the tax, which I assume gets paid to the government, yet this person goes to the ER who pays the ER? Does the governement reimburse the ER?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3461001


Yes the govt pays the expense just like it does in Medicaid now. They set the price, they/we/you pay via the govt which only has money it takes from us the taxpayers or prints.

If the set price isn't really enough to cover the real cost?...the hospital or whatever provider eats the difference or raises costs elsewhere to keep above water.
 Quoting: SHR
So if my taxes pay for medicaid, and my insurance costs support hospitals. Does this mean healthcare/insurance will go up? I guess it's nice that we will have more people paying for it, but a mandatory tax sucks.

Also, I read that somethin like 25-30 million still won't be covered...but proverty in the US is like 40 million. So how will people considered to fall below the poverty like purchase HC? I know some people will be exempt. Won't they just have medicaid, which is what they had before?
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Look, Roberts is the most corporate justice we've ever had. Why be surprised when he comes down on the side of corporate interests?
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There is NO WAY I am gonna be able to stomach Obammy on TV in a few minutes, so I'm counting on you guys to do the heavy lifting and tell me what he says.
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He told me specifically to tell you bubbas and bammers that he's gonna legalize mary jane, and is coming for your guns next to stop inner city gun violence. Also he said go eat a di#k you lazy illiterate bastard.

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Secession anyone?
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I'm in. What stste is likely to go?
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Arizona, Texas, the entire South?
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Here is an idea.

All the Blackmarket money from guns, drugs, etc. that the Government makes goes into a Public Trust.

And can only be used for the Public Good.

Such as Infrastructure and Healthcare for everyone.
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Unfortunately it doesn't go into the Public trust at all but is retained to finance future black ops.
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Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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Well...the actual decision is not posted yet. Seems it's still being digested, but so far the overall opinion of SCOTUS digestors is that Obamacare and the individual mandate have survived with some minor tweeking of semantics.

Fuckin Roberts screwed us....
 Quoting: SHR


Not actually. If they call the mandate a TAX and not a FINE then Obama has lied in saying that he would never TAX the middle class. NOW he has added about 1 trillion dollar tax to the middle class. Obama is going down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18044813




They are still figuring it out, but apparently in 2014 if you earn $50,000 your "TAX" will be $500!!! Then in 2015 it will "skyrocket"!!!!!! (What the hell do they call $500??) And that's ON TOP OF ANY TAXES YOU ALREADY PAY!!!!

Folks, in November we will vote for Obama or Not Obama. My first choice to solve this travesty is Ron Paul, but it is sadly apparent that he will not be on the ticket. They are even keeping his delegates from attending the Convention.

So, I will hold my nose and vote for "Not Obama"......
 Quoting: Eggcellent


That about sums it up for many. I wish someone would start a poll to see how many will now vote for Romney aka "not obama".
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UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!!!!!!

MANDATE UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!!
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FUCK YES!!!!!
 Quoting: theundead


I wish. Doesn't look that way.

Tax penalties apply if you choose not to participate.

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.
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Bears repeating here:

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.

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Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.
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Those with insurance will keep it.

Hahaha, no longer jack up premiums with out good reason - like there costs have gone up maybe?
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If one of 30 million americans who don't have HC, bill will offer afforable plans - each state will decide how to cover these people.

Obama news conference.
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Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?

Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?

Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?

Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?

Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?

Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?
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Holy fuck Obama is just up and goes right into the class warfare rhetoric with some crap about CEO's taking big bonuses instead of paying for healthcare...this shit is just flat out insanity...the brakes are off on the crazy train.
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Can not bill you into bankrupcy.

Can't afford preiums will receive credit to help pay for it.

People who can afford HI will have to buy it. Because those who can afford it but go to the hospital means those of us with insurance have to pay for it.

Thus, provision that people can afford it must be responsible and buy insurance.
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Just great. The size of Obama's government just increased by thousands and thousands of new bureaucrats and agencies.

Plus what about all the businesses with over 50 employees being forced to meet these requirements? Does this mean a business with 60 employees will have to lay off 10 people? How much of that will happen?

Here's a good explanation of the main facets of this bill (warning-it's from a blogger who is pro Obamacare but he offers a good outline of it):

heimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2012/06/obamacare-demystified-​and-explained-in.html

And go here to see how this bill screws, uh affects, you:

[link to www.healthcare.gov]

You go to your state and answer their questions and it tells you your options.
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If we wanted to create a near perfect Cloward/Piven text book super bomb?...I'd say it just happened...
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Secession anyone?
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Forget it...remember a little thing called "THE CIVAL WAR"?..it's been decided and there isn't going to be any secession happening.
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That was then.

It need to be decided again.

I expect this time the outcome will be different.
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Highest court in land ruled, will futher implement. Move forward and where necessary improve on the law.

Now need to focus on putting peple back to work and paying down our debt.

Confident when we look back on this we will be better off...

Obama, the end.
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What a freakin mess...talking heads saying the states could opt out...but if they do the feds could not pull their existing medicaid funds.

Fucking nightmare...
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This is exactly what Obama is, a f***g nightmare. He is dragging every American into his nightmare.


Anyone remember the "feeling" of 911? That "feeling" that everything has just changed (for the worst).... and it all did by a large margin.

This news today feels much like that....


Well I hope you are really from Guam. That would explain some of your rant. Murder of 3k humans feels the same to you as helping 39 million humans with some health care??
How did you get so screwed up??


I don't want the government's nose in my healthcare, thankyouverymuch! I don't want to be told what to buy, when to buy it, or how to use it!


Well sorry, but you live in a Democratic Country.
Do you drive a car? you have to have insurance, don't you know? Do you think you will get old? Medicaid and Medicare are there for you, don't you know??
If you didn't have government in your health care you wouldn't be able to afford it, only the 1%, the rest of US just die from neglect. don't you know??

I'm already disabled! Why the hell do you think I'm against this PoS legislative nightmare????

I don't want anyone to suffer, but this ACA is NOT the answer. It will only make matters worse. Mark my word.


I like to stay with reality here. If we didn't have this, if it got voted down today we would be back to what we had, that would be the best that could happen.
This is a start,
all agree we could not stay the same as we were..
If we didn't do this, think about it, we wouldn't of done ONE thing for our health care system..
I'm a vet, I love my VA, really do. I think all Americans should be able to go to the doctor, VA model is a good one. And could take care of US all.
I don't like the government in everything, but I really think government has to be in health care. Or we would soon not be able to afford it..Because that is the way things work. Life is a big one, that the price could go up very fast, as life is something we would pay for. What ever the price we would pay if we could, for that....don't you know??


Good, let it go back to the way it was.
You guys keep confusing health care and health insurance, they are NOT one in the same.

before Obamacare, I did not need health insurance to acquire health care.
Health care is the service you receive from your practitioners, health insurance is a means of paying for and regulating what care you receive.

I agree that costs are high, and that is directly because the insurance industry shifted from true insurance to managed health care and is now in bed with big pharma.

THIS is not the answer.

Give the people OPTIONS, let me purchase and build my own policies like we used to before the big hiring boom of the 80's.

Before then, most companies did not offer insurance as a perk. We had bought major medical (true catastrophic insurance) and could buy similar plans for dental and eye care.

We budgeted for expected costs like eyeglasses and routine visits. We knew we needed them and paid for them out of pocket. Want to know why this is a good thing? Because now I am earning the interest on those funds and not some insurance company who I am now forced to pay a monthly premium to pay for things I may or may not need.

For those who are having a hard time finding funds to pay for medical care, we need to go back to the private sector.

There USED to be organizations that assisted with this. The churches, local communities, even the pickle jars at the mini marts.

Let US setup charities and assistance programs and allow people to make donations to the charities they wish to help and give us the tax deductions for doing so as an incentive.

A gvt managed health service is NOT the answer. When you remove the competition fro the market, the market goes to shit and costs an arm, a leg or maybe even your life.


We have all that you speak above in the privite sector right now? That is not near enough, very small compared to the problem. Only a government would have the resourses to all that needs done? That's just the way it is..
What we need is a government that can work to solve our problems. Until we have that we won't do anything right. If we get half right we are lucky these days...


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