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Well...the actual decision is not posted yet. Seems it's still being digested, but so far the overall opinion of SCOTUS digestors is that Obamacare and the individual mandate have survived with some minor tweeking of semantics.

Fuckin Roberts screwed us....
 Quoting: SHR


Not actually. If they call the mandate a TAX and not a FINE then Obama has lied in saying that he would never TAX the middle class. NOW he has added about 1 trillion dollar tax to the middle class. Obama is going down.
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They are still figuring it out, but apparently in 2014 if you earn $50,000 your "TAX" will be $500!!! Then in 2015 it will "skyrocket"!!!!!! (What the hell do they call $500??) And that's ON TOP OF ANY TAXES YOU ALREADY PAY!!!!

Folks, in November we will vote for Obama or Not Obama. My first choice to solve this travesty is Ron Paul, but it is sadly apparent that he will not be on the ticket. They are even keeping his delegates from attending the Convention.

So, I will hold my nose and vote for "Not Obama"......
 Quoting: Eggcellent


Ron Paul would not use exectutive orders to even at least wound this monster...in fact the ruling from Roberts is very much a RP style opinion..."We can't do anything because they aren't violating an exact interpretation of the constitution as I see it."...so you live with it and we'll clarify the wording.

I remember getting the concept a while back that all this POS ACA would do is ultimately add 30 million people give or take to MEDICAID...it appears that is what has happened.

You either pay for a healthcare plan that the govt deems is sufficient or you pay a tax/fine and go on MEDICAID..that's the bottom line.

What will happen is a cluster fuck of epic proportions when every scammer cranks up the medicaid fruad which is already rampant and every ACORN retard with a copying machine begins the work of gathering the formally "disinfranchised" army to line up and get that healthcare/wellcare..blah blah blah and the entire system becomes a revolving door money machine the likes of which we have never seen on earth and certainly cannot afford.

If we wanted to create a near perfect Cloward/Piven text book super bomb?...I'd say it just happened...
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The state of NC is so fucked,I'll bet my boots that Glen Bradley is screaming over this hit because he knows that the bitch Beverly Perdue, our governor, will keep NC right in bed with this shit. She wouldn't opt our if her fucking life depended on it and so they drag us down with the rest and the dumbass hillbillies will say this is a good thing!

Our unemployment is already up in 76 counties at 9.4% and now watch the bottom fall out!
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Obama is going to be on television GLOATING within the next two hours...

What a piece of lying shit he is...smiling while he sticks it to the poor working man and woman on the street..
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He is busy jerking it to his drone kill films he orders.
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From 'discoverthenetworks.org: A Guide to the Political Left':

While incarcerated -- or on “forced sabbatical,” as he called it -- Creamer wrote a 628-page political manual titled Stand Up Straight! How Progressives Can Win (published in 2007). In the Acknowledgements section of the book, Creamer stated that his political views had been deeply influenced by “the legendary community organizer” Saul Alinsky.

Stand Up Straight! advanced the notion that the Democratic Party could win a permanent majority in Congress by doing the following:

passing a national health care bill, thereby turning more people into wards of an ever-expanding government, and of the party that works to grow government; and
giving amnesty to all illegal immigrants, thereby creating, virtually overnight, a large new constituency of Democratic voters.
The author conceded that his desire “to reshape the structure of one-sixth of the American economy” (i.e., the health care sector) was contingent upon the Democrats being able to control 60 votes in the U.S. Senate, and upon the election of a “progressive Democrat” to the White House -- conditions that could, in Creamer's estimation, be achieved by the year 2009. Notably, his book was effusive in its praise of then-Senator Barack Obama.

Creamer's book advocated a “public plan” that would guarantee every U.S. resident's “right” to health care; this plan eventually would serve as a model for the “public option” in subsequent legislative proposals by Congressional Democrats.

In addition, Creamer laid out a “Progressive Agenda for Structural Change,” which included a ten-point plan to set the stage for implementing universal health care:

- We must create a national consensus that health care is a right, not a commodity; and that government must guarantee that right.
- We must create a national consensus that the health care system is in crisis.
- Our messaging program over the next two years should focus heavily on reducing the credibility of the health insurance industry and focusing on the failure of private health insurance.
- We need to systematically forge relationships with large sectors of the business/employer community.
- We need to convince political leaders that they owe their elections, at least in part, to the groundswell of support of [sic] universal health care, and that they face political peril if they fail to deliver on universal health care in 2009.
- We need not agree in advance on the components of a plan, but we must foster a process that can ultimately yield consensus.
- Over the next two years, we must design and organize a massive national field program.
- We must focus especially on the mobilization of the labor movement and the faith community.
- We must systematically leverage the connections and resources of a massive array of institutions and organizations of all types.
- To be successful, we must put in place commitments for hundreds of millions of dollars to be used to finance paid communications and mobilization once the battle is joined.

"To win,” added Creamer, “we must not just generate understanding, but emotion—fear, revulsion, anger, disgust.”

[link to www.discoverthenetworks.org]
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They are still figuring it out, but apparently in 2014 if you earn $50,000 your "TAX" will be $500!!! Then in 2015 it will "skyrocket"!!!!!! (What the hell do they call $500??) And that's ON TOP OF ANY TAXES YOU ALREADY PAY!!!!
 Quoting: Eggcellent

Don't forget about the inflation tax of 10% every year that isn't in your tax forms.
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Plus Bush's tax cuts expire in January....
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Can anyone answer a questions I have?

If someone chooses not to get health insurance, and pay the tax, which I assume gets paid to the government, yet this person goes to the ER who pays the ER? Does the governement reimburse the ER?
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Yes the govt pays the expense just like it does in Medicaid now. They set the price, they/we/you pay via the govt which only has money it takes from us the taxpayers or prints.

If the set price isn't really enough to cover the real cost?...the hospital or whatever provider eats the difference or raises costs elsewhere to keep above water.
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Secession anyone?
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There is NO WAY I am gonna be able to stomach Obammy on TV in a few minutes, so I'm counting on you guys to do the heavy lifting and tell me what he says.
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Welcome to the end of America, folks. The day she died, and we just sat by and watched it happen. As Phen has often said before: "This is no longer my country."
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Secession anyone?
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Forget it...remember a little thing called "THE CIVAL WAR"?..it's been decided and there isn't going to be any secession happening.
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I will post it as soon as it's put up!!!!
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Ummm. Am I reading the opinion correctly in that they cannot force states to participate? Can't withhold Medicare payments, etc. if so, does this allow individuals residing in those states to "opt out" as well? Would they still be subject to the TAX?
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Well...the actual decision is not posted yet. Seems it's still being digested, but so far the overall opinion of SCOTUS digestors is that Obamacare and the individual mandate have survived with some minor tweeking of semantics.

Fuckin Roberts screwed us....
 Quoting: SHR


Not actually. If they call the mandate a TAX and not a FINE then Obama has lied in saying that he would never TAX the middle class. NOW he has added about 1 trillion dollar tax to the middle class. Obama is going down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18044813




They are still figuring it out, but apparently in 2014 if you earn $50,000 your "TAX" will be $500!!! Then in 2015 it will "skyrocket"!!!!!! (What the hell do they call $500??) And that's ON TOP OF ANY TAXES YOU ALREADY PAY!!!!

Folks, in November we will vote for Obama or Not Obama. My first choice to solve this travesty is Ron Paul, but it is sadly apparent that he will not be on the ticket. They are even keeping his delegates from attending the Convention.

So, I will hold my nose and vote for "Not Obama"......
 Quoting: Eggcellent


Ron Paul would not use exectutive orders to even at least wound this monster...in fact the ruling from Roberts is very much a RP style opinion..."We can't do anything because they aren't violating an exact interpretation of the constitution as I see it."...so you live with it and we'll clarify the wording.

I remember getting the concept a while back that all this POS ACA would do is ultimately add 30 million people give or take to MEDICAID...it appears that is what has happened.

You either pay for a healthcare plan that the govt deems is sufficient or you pay a tax/fine and go on MEDICAID..that's the bottom line.

What will happen is a cluster fuck of epic proportions when every scammer cranks up the medicaid fruad which is already rampant and every ACORN retard with a copying machine begins the work of gathering the formally "disinfranchised" army to line up and get that healthcare/wellcare..blah blah blah and the entire system becomes a revolving door money machine the likes of which we have never seen on earth and certainly cannot afford.

If we wanted to create a near perfect Cloward/Piven text book super bomb?...I'd say it just happened...
 Quoting: SHR





SHR,

Yes, this is CLOWARD-PIVEN to the ultimate!

This passes in spite of the events in the EU even as we speak.


It will break the back of the country for sure given the non-productive segments of our population.


The government literally now has the power of life and death over us all.
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Fuck that traitor Roberts.
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^That^
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Chicago politics, that turn coat was fucking bought. God help us if this fall we don't vote theses cocksuckers out. Never thought I would see the greatest country in the world, fold so easy. our forefathers are so proud..

militia

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What is wrong with you people? Seriously! I hope the hatred you spew consumes you, because eventually it will.
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What is wrong with us is that we don't want to be allowed to die at the decision of panels addressing how cost effective it is to keep us alive.

Silly and hateful things like that.
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Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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WATCH LIVE: Obama speaks on Supreme Court health care ruling
[link to www.rawstory.com]
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Secession anyone?
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I'm in. What state is likely to go?

Last Edited by Doomamatrix on 06/28/2012 12:10 PM
Obamacare: Never has so much been taken away from so many for so few.
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Can anyone answer a questions I have?

If someone chooses not to get health insurance, and pay the tax, which I assume gets paid to the government, yet this person goes to the ER who pays the ER? Does the governement reimburse the ER?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3461001


Yes the govt pays the expense just like it does in Medicaid now. They set the price, they/we/you pay via the govt which only has money it takes from us the taxpayers or prints.

If the set price isn't really enough to cover the real cost?...the hospital or whatever provider eats the difference or raises costs elsewhere to keep above water.
 Quoting: SHR
So if my taxes pay for medicaid, and my insurance costs support hospitals. Does this mean healthcare/insurance will go up? I guess it's nice that we will have more people paying for it, but a mandatory tax sucks.

Also, I read that somethin like 25-30 million still won't be covered...but proverty in the US is like 40 million. So how will people considered to fall below the poverty like purchase HC? I know some people will be exempt. Won't they just have medicaid, which is what they had before?
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Look, Roberts is the most corporate justice we've ever had. Why be surprised when he comes down on the side of corporate interests?
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There is NO WAY I am gonna be able to stomach Obammy on TV in a few minutes, so I'm counting on you guys to do the heavy lifting and tell me what he says.
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He told me specifically to tell you bubbas and bammers that he's gonna legalize mary jane, and is coming for your guns next to stop inner city gun violence. Also he said go eat a di#k you lazy illiterate bastard.

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Secession anyone?
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I'm in. What stste is likely to go?
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Arizona, Texas, the entire South?
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Here is an idea.

All the Blackmarket money from guns, drugs, etc. that the Government makes goes into a Public Trust.

And can only be used for the Public Good.

Such as Infrastructure and Healthcare for everyone.
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Unfortunately it doesn't go into the Public trust at all but is retained to finance future black ops.
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Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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Well...the actual decision is not posted yet. Seems it's still being digested, but so far the overall opinion of SCOTUS digestors is that Obamacare and the individual mandate have survived with some minor tweeking of semantics.

Fuckin Roberts screwed us....
 Quoting: SHR


Not actually. If they call the mandate a TAX and not a FINE then Obama has lied in saying that he would never TAX the middle class. NOW he has added about 1 trillion dollar tax to the middle class. Obama is going down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18044813




They are still figuring it out, but apparently in 2014 if you earn $50,000 your "TAX" will be $500!!! Then in 2015 it will "skyrocket"!!!!!! (What the hell do they call $500??) And that's ON TOP OF ANY TAXES YOU ALREADY PAY!!!!

Folks, in November we will vote for Obama or Not Obama. My first choice to solve this travesty is Ron Paul, but it is sadly apparent that he will not be on the ticket. They are even keeping his delegates from attending the Convention.

So, I will hold my nose and vote for "Not Obama"......
 Quoting: Eggcellent


That about sums it up for many. I wish someone would start a poll to see how many will now vote for Romney aka "not obama".
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UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!!!!!!

MANDATE UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!!
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FUCK YES!!!!!
 Quoting: theundead


I wish. Doesn't look that way.

Tax penalties apply if you choose not to participate.

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.
 Quoting: wisc_natureboy


Bears repeating here:

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.

Gov't mandating purchases = Fascism.
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Those with insurance will keep it.

Hahaha, no longer jack up premiums with out good reason - like there costs have gone up maybe?
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If one of 30 million americans who don't have HC, bill will offer afforable plans - each state will decide how to cover these people.

Obama news conference.
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Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?

Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?

Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?

Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?

Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?

Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?
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Holy fuck Obama is just up and goes right into the class warfare rhetoric with some crap about CEO's taking big bonuses instead of paying for healthcare...this shit is just flat out insanity...the brakes are off on the crazy train.
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Can not bill you into bankrupcy.

Can't afford preiums will receive credit to help pay for it.

People who can afford HI will have to buy it. Because those who can afford it but go to the hospital means those of us with insurance have to pay for it.

Thus, provision that people can afford it must be responsible and buy insurance.
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Just great. The size of Obama's government just increased by thousands and thousands of new bureaucrats and agencies.

Plus what about all the businesses with over 50 employees being forced to meet these requirements? Does this mean a business with 60 employees will have to lay off 10 people? How much of that will happen?

Here's a good explanation of the main facets of this bill (warning-it's from a blogger who is pro Obamacare but he offers a good outline of it):

heimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2012/06/obamacare-demystified-​and-explained-in.html

And go here to see how this bill screws, uh affects, you:

[link to www.healthcare.gov]

You go to your state and answer their questions and it tells you your options.
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