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Thread: Who Wrote Obamacare?
"But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory" (1 Corinthians chapter 2, verse 7)
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If we wanted to create a near perfect Cloward/Piven text book super bomb?...I'd say it just happened...
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Bingo.
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Secession anyone?
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Forget it...remember a little thing called "THE CIVAL WAR"?..it's been decided and there isn't going to be any secession happening.
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That was then.

It need to be decided again.

I expect this time the outcome will be different.
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Highest court in land ruled, will futher implement. Move forward and where necessary improve on the law.

Now need to focus on putting peple back to work and paying down our debt.

Confident when we look back on this we will be better off...

Obama, the end.
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What a freakin mess...talking heads saying the states could opt out...but if they do the feds could not pull their existing medicaid funds.

Fucking nightmare...
 Quoting: SHR


This is exactly what Obama is, a f***g nightmare. He is dragging every American into his nightmare.


Anyone remember the "feeling" of 911? That "feeling" that everything has just changed (for the worst).... and it all did by a large margin.

This news today feels much like that....


Well I hope you are really from Guam. That would explain some of your rant. Murder of 3k humans feels the same to you as helping 39 million humans with some health care??
How did you get so screwed up??


I don't want the government's nose in my healthcare, thankyouverymuch! I don't want to be told what to buy, when to buy it, or how to use it!


Well sorry, but you live in a Democratic Country.
Do you drive a car? you have to have insurance, don't you know? Do you think you will get old? Medicaid and Medicare are there for you, don't you know??
If you didn't have government in your health care you wouldn't be able to afford it, only the 1%, the rest of US just die from neglect. don't you know??

I'm already disabled! Why the hell do you think I'm against this PoS legislative nightmare????

I don't want anyone to suffer, but this ACA is NOT the answer. It will only make matters worse. Mark my word.


I like to stay with reality here. If we didn't have this, if it got voted down today we would be back to what we had, that would be the best that could happen.
This is a start,
all agree we could not stay the same as we were..
If we didn't do this, think about it, we wouldn't of done ONE thing for our health care system..
I'm a vet, I love my VA, really do. I think all Americans should be able to go to the doctor, VA model is a good one. And could take care of US all.
I don't like the government in everything, but I really think government has to be in health care. Or we would soon not be able to afford it..Because that is the way things work. Life is a big one, that the price could go up very fast, as life is something we would pay for. What ever the price we would pay if we could, for that....don't you know??


Good, let it go back to the way it was.
You guys keep confusing health care and health insurance, they are NOT one in the same.

before Obamacare, I did not need health insurance to acquire health care.
Health care is the service you receive from your practitioners, health insurance is a means of paying for and regulating what care you receive.

I agree that costs are high, and that is directly because the insurance industry shifted from true insurance to managed health care and is now in bed with big pharma.

THIS is not the answer.

Give the people OPTIONS, let me purchase and build my own policies like we used to before the big hiring boom of the 80's.

Before then, most companies did not offer insurance as a perk. We had bought major medical (true catastrophic insurance) and could buy similar plans for dental and eye care.

We budgeted for expected costs like eyeglasses and routine visits. We knew we needed them and paid for them out of pocket. Want to know why this is a good thing? Because now I am earning the interest on those funds and not some insurance company who I am now forced to pay a monthly premium to pay for things I may or may not need.

For those who are having a hard time finding funds to pay for medical care, we need to go back to the private sector.

There USED to be organizations that assisted with this. The churches, local communities, even the pickle jars at the mini marts.

Let US setup charities and assistance programs and allow people to make donations to the charities they wish to help and give us the tax deductions for doing so as an incentive.

A gvt managed health service is NOT the answer. When you remove the competition fro the market, the market goes to shit and costs an arm, a leg or maybe even your life.


We have all that you speak above in the privite sector right now? That is not near enough, very small compared to the problem. Only a government would have the resourses to all that needs done? That's just the way it is..
What we need is a government that can work to solve our problems. Until we have that we won't do anything right. If we get half right we are lucky these days...
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I agree with you. I love RP, but I can't risk putting my vote toward him and letting O get back in. It's time to face the music and vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
 Quoting: Gratia Plena


oh well
told you guys before the nomination process
before the primaries even started
make paul the nominee
or the repub party will NOT have my vote
and many others agree
we don't care if it's obamacare or romneycare
fascism of the left or fascism of the right
so don't count on our votes
because the lesser of 2 evils bullshit doesn't work on us anymore

and i won't risk my soul by voting for anyone who thinks it's okay to murder people in other countries for banks and other corporations
rockon burnit
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That's fine. I voted for RP in the primary even though it was all but decided already when they were held in my state. But I cannot STAND Obama, and I can't knowingly contribute to letting him win. I'm not trying to twist anyone's arm to do what I do, so I'm not sure what it is I said that isn't working on you anymore. Vote your conscience. If RP still stands any chance, damn right I'll be behind him. I think/thought he was our last hope. But pop a Xanax or something. You're bitching at someone who agrees with your point of view. I'm just having a different reaction to reality than you are.
 Quoting: Gratia Plena


i'm not bitching at ya and not at all stressed. pretty chill honestly.

for me it's about my soul. it's about what i have to answer for later which if i vote for either of the two then that's giving my permission for the things i know they'll do (war, lock up innocents, violate our rights). and, because of that, i cannot partake in a rigged election and i cannot, no matter how awful obama is, put my SOUL behind someone else who is also awful even if it appears that he may be less awful (despite all his advisors coming from the bush team). i'm not even sure romney is less awful.

so, for me, it's about supporting murder or not. and deciding to support either candidate is supporting murder of innocents. and you know this. everyone knows this. but are choosing, out of FEAR (those with faith have little fear, btw), to support one anyway. everyone awake knows it's wrong and, imo, are making excuses for supporting murder. tyranny. pedophilia. and continuation of destroying our rights, the planet, and everything else tptb have been up to.

this election isn't about making a choice about left or right or healthcare mandates or no mandates this election. this is spiritual warfare in case some have missed it. the choices made will reflect on your soul.
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Ok I see this point. Very true. But, if you know RP is not going to get the vote and it's between two murders.... One lets your children die a slow painful death or the other who makes it quick, are you still not going to vote? It's not always about selling your soul. It's about the reality of the situation. For some maybe it is fear inhibited, but for others it's about which is a hair closer to my beliefs. There is no way RP would vote for Obama before Romney. And this is coming from someone who doesn't like Romney either. I'm just DONE with Obama, that I will vote for Romney. If RP doesn't slam in the poles, forget it. I'm not wasting my vote and garunteeing Obama gets elected. Now that is selling my soul to the devil. IMO.
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If we wanted to create a near perfect Cloward/Piven text book super bomb?...I'd say it just happened...
 Quoting: SHR


Bingo.
 Quoting: ScrumpTheTexan


Yes, something like one sixth of the economy just gobbled up by the government.

Collapse the system by overwhelming it.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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Obama is going to be on television GLOATING within the next two hours...

What a piece of lying shit he is...smiling while he sticks it to the poor working man and woman on the street..
 Quoting: CuriosityCat1


He is busy jerking it to his drone kill films he orders.
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yes but now that Obamacare was upheld, he'll slip a couple fingers up his ass while he's jerkin' it to drone porn.
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Watch him put a cap on how much money you can earn next. It's coming,dude!
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Watch him put a cap on how much money you can earn next. It's coming,dude!
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Well, this sort of does that. If you are forced to give a huge amount of your income to insurance companies, that is a form of limit.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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this may have already been covered, if so, my apologies.

my wife doesnt have insurance because we cant afford it. i am the only one working.

my children are covered under BCBS NC state ins, which is called health choice...a form of medicaid.

my cost for family coverage, we cant afford. but the kids are covered as stated above.

question is what does this mean seeing as how my wife does not have coverage?

thank you...
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If we wanted to create a near perfect Cloward/Piven text book super bomb?...I'd say it just happened...
 Quoting: SHR


Bingo.
 Quoting: ScrumpTheTexan


Yes, something like one sixth of the economy just gobbled up by the government.

Collapse the system by overwhelming it.
 Quoting: Bluebird


'The Perfect Storm' is at the door...

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obamacare does not cover PRE existing issues --- doom on
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If we wanted to create a near perfect Cloward/Piven text book super bomb?...I'd say it just happened...
 Quoting: SHR


Bingo.
 Quoting: ScrumpTheTexan


Yes, something like one sixth of the economy just gobbled up by the government.

Collapse the system by overwhelming it.
 Quoting: Bluebird


'The Perfect Storm' is at the door...

ItWasMe
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timewave zero right again
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What is wrong with you people? Seriously! I hope the hatred you spew consumes you, because eventually it will.
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What is wrong with us is that we don't want to be allowed to die at the decision of panels addressing how cost effective it is to keep us alive.

Silly and hateful things like that.
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^^^this^^^
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this may have already been covered, if so, my apologies.

my wife doesnt have insurance because we cant afford it. i am the only one working.

my children are covered under BCBS NC state ins, which is called health choice...a form of medicaid.

my cost for family coverage, we cant afford. but the kids are covered as stated above.

question is what does this mean seeing as how my wife does not have coverage?

thank you...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1137351


I'm not sure if someone here can answer your question. But I think I can say
Today, nothing changed from yesterday, other than knowing tomorrow will be the same also, as far as your health care goes anyway....
If Afordable Health Care was voted down today, then tomorrow would have changed, now tomorrow won't change. Hope that helps you...
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If they can tax us like this, anything is possible. Hold onto your guns folks...all kind of taxes coming, ammo and firearms next when Obama is re-elected in Novemer..it's just begun
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Pelosi was just on TV and someone asked if this was a TAX, and she wouldn't use the word. She said she needed to read the SCOUTUS response and said "call it what you will" this is a "yes" for the country. HAHAHA.
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[link to www.beaconhill.org]

Doesn't look like RomneyCare is doing well. Very expensive. Since Obamacare is supposedly modeled after RomneyCare (can anyone verify it?).

We're fucked. That means no more powerful miltary to protect us...
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I came home from work just to watch it.
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lolatu
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Good luck having a job when you go back. Hundreds of businesses are already closing their doors TODAY, and the closures will only escalate as the provisions of this so-called "tax" are revealed.
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Holy fuck Obama is just up and goes right into the class warfare rhetoric with some crap about CEO's taking big bonuses instead of paying for healthcare...this shit is just flat out insanity...the brakes are off on the crazy train.
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SHR you know more about this clusterfuck than I do-- can ya give me an idea what this means for me as a small biz owner? Isn't there a limit on how many employees you have to have before you're liable for the mandate? I think I'm pretty close to that number and may have to make some (unwanted) cuts. I imagine I'm not the only one.
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Just think how easy new taxes will be now that Obama knows that the people can be forced to buy anything...this is a massive expansion of government power in multiple venues.
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this may have already been covered, if so, my apologies.

my wife doesnt have insurance because we cant afford it. i am the only one working.

my children are covered under BCBS NC state ins, which is called health choice...a form of medicaid.

my cost for family coverage, we cant afford. but the kids are covered as stated above.

question is what does this mean seeing as how my wife does not have coverage?

thank you...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1137351


I'm not sure if someone here can answer your question. But I think I can say
Today, nothing changed from yesterday, other than knowing tomorrow will be the same also, as far as your health care goes anyway....
If Afordable Health Care was voted down today, then tomorrow would have changed, now tomorrow won't change. Hope that helps you...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17865664



Depends on what your income level is. If you're under the federal guidelines for below the poverty level, then you get free medical becuase you will qualify. anything over the poverty level and you pay. But I could be wrong, who knows? shit they change things so damn much it's not funny. Hell for all we know it could be that poor folks have to pay, who the hell knows anymore?
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This government shits taxes.
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The US Constitution was rendered irrelevant today. It it truly the "living breathing" document liberals have longed for. In other words it means whatever they want it to mean. A document that was intended to restrain the power of the federal government by precisely enumerating its powers, can now be used to infringe on every personal liberty.

The commerce clause was intended to have a very limited scope, namely to ensure barriers were not erected to interstate trade. Today's ruling ensures that any activity, or inactivity for that matter, which has an impact on commerce can be regulated by the federal government. Of course, that includes everything. There no longer remains any contraint on the exercise of federal power and personal liberty is now subservient to the "greater good" as defined by liberals.

Apparently Roberts determined that the the mandate was a tax instead of an exercise of federal power under the commerce clause. This is a distinction without a difference. And it means the outcome is even more devastating than it first appeared.

Regardless of whether you call it a penalty or a tax, it is designed not to raise revenue but to regulate commerce. The administration argued as much. And of course they argued when passing the law that it was not a tax. It would never have passed congress if they had done so.

Regardless, the penalty/tax is designed to bring healthy individuals into the system to spread out the cost of insuring those with pre-existing conditions. The core purpose is to regulate commercial activity, to force people to engage in a particular commercial activity. The tax/penalty is just the means to that end regardless of what you call it.

According to Roberts' logic, the government can regulate any activity/inactivity, not just commercial activity, simply by calling it a tax. That's bullshit and it's a distinction without a difference. The effect is the same. The opinion gives lip service to limits on federal power and yet it places no limit on the exercise of federal power under the commerce clause or the tax clause. It's contrary to the letter and intent of the constitution in both cases.

It's incredibly disappointing that a republican appointee provided the deciding vote when Kennedy was willing to strike down the entire bill.
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You should change the title of your thread to....

Death, Taxes & HEALTH INSURANCEwtf
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I knew the Supreme Court was bought and paid for. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

I would say Obama has about 0 percent of re election this year now though. Enjoy your victory Obozo, short lived as it will be.
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Does anyone have a link/pic of todays TWZ to correlate???
Here is a list of 8 things to look for when trying to identify false flag psychological operations.
1. Staged events usually receive immediate national news coverage
2. There is a political agenda behind the coverage (gun control)
3. The incident inspires intense emotions (Dead kids)
4. Initial media reports conflict eyewitness accounts
5. No dead bodies are shown to the public
6. Celebrities are used to influence the public
7. Presence of mainstream media manipulation tactics
8. The Federal Government give attention to a local story

Question Everything.

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Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?

Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?

Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?

Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?

Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?

Working Americans now will pay for ILLEGAL MEXICAN HEALTH CARE.

What the fuck?
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I know this to be true!
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Has anyone done:

Blaaaazerrrr is coming ??

Good time for it me thinks...
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