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Obamacare politcs poll....did this SCOTUS ruling cause a shift?

 
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So the battle line is drawn after this SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare. No doubt this will be at least a major campaign issue if not the central point the entire presidential election with the whole election revolving around it.

Romney is the Lock for the Republican nomination and Obama is the Lock for the Democratic nomination even though neither are the "Official" candidates until after the conventions.

It's going to boil down to "Obamacare vs Repeal".
If Obama gets re-elected?...then we can count on Obamacare being implemented virtually as it stands. Even if a majority of Republicans take over both houses it will be very difficult if not impossible to repeal with a Pro-Obamacare President.

If Romney wins? He can issue executive orders immediately to wound it deeply, but it will still be up to congress to drive the stake through it's heart. That will only happen with a majority congress that is anti-Obamacare and that will mean a Republican Majority in both houses and may even require some Democrats signing on to kill the Act and a president who is willing to kill it.


You really have to assume that the only viable vote against Obamacare is now going to be Romney, he'll be forced into repealing it, even if he wasn't fully in favor of doing so prior to this SCOTUS decision, he will be forced into doing it now, it'll be central to his campaign and it could not be avoided or danced around.

For you "third party" and Ron Paul supporters, has this made you decide to vote for Romney to kill Obamacare or to vote for Obama to save Obamacare?
It's well known that I regularly trash Ron Paul and his supporters so I am certainly not biased in a positive manner concerning anything RP, but I think we all could safely say that Ron Paul is not only dead against Obamacare but would consider it being repealed a very important goal of any President. Even if he would likely be hampered in doing so himself due to his rigid ideology, I do not think anyone could say he is anti-repeal.

Soooo....has this ruling changed anyones position as to who they will vote for come this November?
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As of this moment 83 people (16.6%) selected changing from other to Romney. That is a significant number of people changing based on one event.

If the votes are counted properly this November - a big IF - this election could be a landslide,
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For here?....that would probably translate into 75 million more votes for Romney...easy....
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I will be curious to see how the poll pans out.

Personally, I am still in shock at this ruling and did not expect it. Obama repeatedly said it would not raise our taxes at all.

What a surprise that he lied yet again--not.

But no way is this bill of his truly constitutional regardless of what the SCOTUS says.

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Buy X ... or the government will Tax you if you don't.


Yeah, we need to get that fucker out
of there before he does more of the same.

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What the Fuck is wrong with you fat fucks!!!!!

Stop eating shit and start exercising and you won't need care for fuck sake!!!
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Hey fathead, I don't want the insurance. It's being forced on us, or we pay a fine.

So whether we are perfectly fit and healthy, it doesn't matter. This law says tough shit. Whether you want it or not, you're going to get it.
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So the battle line is drawn after this SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare. No doubt this will be at least a major campaign issue if not the central point the entire presidential election with the whole election revolving around it.

Romney is the Lock for the Republican nomination and Obama is the Lock for the Democratic nomination even though neither are the "Official" candidates until after the conventions.

It's going to boil down to "Obamacare vs Repeal".
If Obama gets re-elected?...then we can count on Obamacare being implemented virtually as it stands. Even if a majority of Republicans take over both houses it will be very difficult if not impossible to repeal with a Pro-Obamacare President.

If Romney wins? He can issue executive orders immediately to wound it deeply, but it will still be up to congress to drive the stake through it's heart. That will only happen with a majority congress that is anti-Obamacare and that will mean a Republican Majority in both houses and may even require some Democrats signing on to kill the Act and a president who is willing to kill it.


You really have to assume that the only viable vote against Obamacare is now going to be Romney, he'll be forced into repealing it, even if he wasn't fully in favor of doing so prior to this SCOTUS decision, he will be forced into doing it now, it'll be central to his campaign and it could not be avoided or danced around.

For you "third party" and Ron Paul supporters, has this made you decide to vote for Romney to kill Obamacare or to vote for Obama to save Obamacare?
It's well known that I regularly trash Ron Paul and his supporters so I am certainly not biased in a positive manner concerning anything RP, but I think we all could safely say that Ron Paul is not only dead against Obamacare but would consider it being repealed a very important goal of any President. Even if he would likely be hampered in doing so himself due to his rigid ideology, I do not think anyone could say he is anti-repeal.

Soooo....has this ruling changed anyones position as to who they will vote for come this November?
 Quoting: SHR


As of this moment 83 people (16.6%) selected changing from other to Romney. That is a significant number of people changing based on one event.

If the votes are counted properly this November - a big IF - this election could be a landslide,
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For here?....that would probably translate into 75 million more votes for Romney...easy....
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LOL! True true.

However, there are probably more Paul supporters here than in the general population...were they the ones who changed from other to Romney or were those Obama to Romney?
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What the Fuck is wrong with you fat fucks!!!!!

Stop eating shit and start exercising and you won't need care for fuck sake!!!
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Stop spamming every thread with this garbage.
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So the battle line is drawn after this SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare. No doubt this will be at least a major campaign issue if not the central point the entire presidential election with the whole election revolving around it.

Romney is the Lock for the Republican nomination and Obama is the Lock for the Democratic nomination even though neither are the "Official" candidates until after the conventions.

It's going to boil down to "Obamacare vs Repeal".
If Obama gets re-elected?...then we can count on Obamacare being implemented virtually as it stands. Even if a majority of Republicans take over both houses it will be very difficult if not impossible to repeal with a Pro-Obamacare President.

If Romney wins? He can issue executive orders immediately to wound it deeply, but it will still be up to congress to drive the stake through it's heart. That will only happen with a majority congress that is anti-Obamacare and that will mean a Republican Majority in both houses and may even require some Democrats signing on to kill the Act and a president who is willing to kill it.


You really have to assume that the only viable vote against Obamacare is now going to be Romney, he'll be forced into repealing it, even if he wasn't fully in favor of doing so prior to this SCOTUS decision, he will be forced into doing it now, it'll be central to his campaign and it could not be avoided or danced around.

For you "third party" and Ron Paul supporters, has this made you decide to vote for Romney to kill Obamacare or to vote for Obama to save Obamacare?
It's well known that I regularly trash Ron Paul and his supporters so I am certainly not biased in a positive manner concerning anything RP, but I think we all could safely say that Ron Paul is not only dead against Obamacare but would consider it being repealed a very important goal of any President. Even if he would likely be hampered in doing so himself due to his rigid ideology, I do not think anyone could say he is anti-repeal.

Soooo....has this ruling changed anyones position as to who they will vote for come this November?
 Quoting: SHR



I know you are going to fucking love this so enjoy your moment.

As much as you hate and despise me, and I dislike you, I am changing my view on voting for Ron Paul

I have to vote for Romney now. There is no other way.


But before I do it, I will say it leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. I cannot help but to think that this was the plan all along.


Why would they put Romney, a man that voted for Romney Care, a man that shit all over the second amendment and banned Assault weapons, the man that couldn't even beat McCain in 2008 as the front runner?

Is this all by design? Is he a white Obama?

I can't fucking trust any of the fucking politicians anymore.

I swore I would NEVER vote for who CNN and MSN and every other fucking news channel said I should vote for.

They PICKED ROMEY!! The GOP got fucking nasty and mean and fucked over everybody to put Romney in the lead.


Is it by design that they want us to HATE OBAMA SOOO much that we are willing to VOTE FOR ANYBODY but Him???? If so is Romney that choice by design?


Gawd damnit.
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Sorry, but if you didn't say I was somehow supposed to hate you, you could have claimed to be my bestest buddy and I wouldn't have known any different, shrug.

If you want to not only repeal Obamacare but get this retard community organizer out of office, then vote for the person that has the best shot at doing it.

The Primaries are over...Ron Paul lost. He and his supporters put up the best fight they could, but he didn't win, that's the way things are. I've had primaries where "My Guy" didn't win either..after that, you go with the best shot at accomplishing what "Your Guy" wanted and what you would like to happen, that's never been some off the menu also ran who gets a vote to only make the voter "feel better" about themselves.

I know because I have done it..it's a mistake I won't make again.
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You are about to make that same mistake again. We all are because we want Obama out.

The same thing happened in 2008. Everybody was so sick of bush they got Obama. Now we are so Sick of Obama we are going to vote a white Obama in.

If you can do it with a straight face then fine.

And for the record regardless if you remember me or not...I think you are an asshole.
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I was a Ron Paul supporter.

I would have probably voted Republican if they Repulicans had nominated ANYONE beside Romney.

ROmney is the inventor of Obamacare.

Like Obama, Romney is a STATIST.

Obama and Romney both believe that the purpose of government is to mandate how you'll live.

Why would I trust the inventor of Obamacare to get rid of Obamacare?
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Here is a list of 8 things to look for when trying to identify false flag psychological operations.
1. Staged events usually receive immediate national news coverage
2. There is a political agenda behind the coverage (gun control)
3. The incident inspires intense emotions (Dead kids)
4. Initial media reports conflict eyewitness accounts
5. No dead bodies are shown to the public
6. Celebrities are used to influence the public
7. Presence of mainstream media manipulation tactics
8. The Federal Government give attention to a local story

Question Everything.

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You are about to make that same mistake again. We all are because we want Obama out.

The same thing happened in 2008. Everybody was so sick of bush they got Obama. Now we are so Sick of Obama we are going to vote a white Obama in.

If you can do it with a straight face then fine.

And for the record regardless if you remember me or not...I think you are an asshole.
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Cool

You get to vote for Perot again, and claim plausible deniability while Obama wrecks the country.

"Not my fault, mang, I voted for teh guy who had no chance!"
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You are about to make that same mistake again. We all are because we want Obama out.

The same thing happened in 2008. Everybody was so sick of bush they got Obama. Now we are so Sick of Obama we are going to vote a white Obama in.

If you can do it with a straight face then fine.

And for the record regardless if you remember me or not...I think you are an asshole.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Cool

You get to vote for Perot again, and claim plausible deniability while Obama wrecks the country.

"Not my fault, mang, I voted for teh guy who had no chance!"
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


I already said I was Voting for Romney. I guess you missed that. Perhaps selective reading was the cause of that.

I don't have to like it. But I'm doing it to get rid of Obama. That isn't a good thing, it's voting for the lesser of two evils again. The Press loves Romney. That alone should make you take pause.


To be honest with you I liked Herman Cain, but they sure got rid of him didn't they.
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What the Fuck is wrong with you fat fucks!!!!!

Stop eating shit and start exercising and you won't need care for fuck sake!!!
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Yeah, we are a tiny percentage fatter than Brits!

Biggest difference we have teeth with which to chew our food.

And not needing care is your NHS plan, not ours.
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They all make me sick. I do feel well enough to send some chocolate pies with creme on top with a special ingredient, to the president, his staff,and every member of congress that brought this monstrosity to put on the heads of the people.

I would send it with thanks, signed THE HELP, and hope they enjoy eating my pie!

I hope you understand my message!
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Nothing is certain but death and taxes, and now
being taxed to death for not insuring your health.
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You are about to make that same mistake again. We all are because we want Obama out.

The same thing happened in 2008. Everybody was so sick of bush they got Obama. Now we are so Sick of Obama we are going to vote a white Obama in.

If you can do it with a straight face then fine.

And for the record regardless if you remember me or not...I think you are an asshole.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Cool

You get to vote for Perot again, and claim plausible deniability while Obama wrecks the country.

"Not my fault, mang, I voted for teh guy who had no chance!"
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


I already said I was Voting for Romney. I guess you missed that. Perhaps selective reading was the cause of that.

I don't have to like it. But I'm doing it to get rid of Obama. That isn't a good thing, it's voting for the lesser of two evils again. The Press loves Romney. That alone should make you take pause.


To be honest with you I liked Herman Cain, but they sure got rid of him didn't they.
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Fair enough.

I haven't read the entire thread.

Romney was about my last choice for a republican nominee. I'm not a big fan.

Still, I'll take him 100x over another 4 years of Obama, and feel good about it.
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I will be curious to see how the poll pans out.

Personally, I am still in shock at this ruling and did not expect it. Obama repeatedly said it would not raise our taxes at all.

What a surprise that he lied yet again--not.

But no way is this bill of his truly constitutional regardless of what the SCOTUS says.
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Surprise... If anyone paid attention from the beginning toDear I sayGlenn Beck or Hannity, you would have known a long time ago. The truth is out there, you just have to know where to listen..FOX
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You are about to make that same mistake again. We all are because we want Obama out.

The same thing happened in 2008. Everybody was so sick of bush they got Obama. Now we are so Sick of Obama we are going to vote a white Obama in.

If you can do it with a straight face then fine.

And for the record regardless if you remember me or not...I think you are an asshole.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Cool

You get to vote for Perot again, and claim plausible deniability while Obama wrecks the country.

"Not my fault, mang, I voted for teh guy who had no chance!"
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


So if Obama was headed into the election with a seemingly insurmountable lead in the poles, would you vote for him just because the other candidate had no chance? Just curious.
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I will be curious to see how the poll pans out.

Personally, I am still in shock at this ruling and did not expect it. Obama repeatedly said it would not raise our taxes at all.

What a surprise that he lied yet again--not.

But no way is this bill of his truly constitutional regardless of what the SCOTUS says.
 Quoting: Bluebird


Surprise... If anyone paid attention from the beginning toDear I sayGlenn Beck or Hannity, you would have known a long time ago. The truth is out there, you just have to know where to listen..FOX
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Good shit! LOL!
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You are about to make that same mistake again. We all are because we want Obama out.

The same thing happened in 2008. Everybody was so sick of bush they got Obama. Now we are so Sick of Obama we are going to vote a white Obama in.

If you can do it with a straight face then fine.

And for the record regardless if you remember me or not...I think you are an asshole.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Cool

You get to vote for Perot again, and claim plausible deniability while Obama wrecks the country.

"Not my fault, mang, I voted for teh guy who had no chance!"
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


So if Obama was headed into the election with a seemingly insurmountable lead in the poles, would you vote for him just because the other candidate had no chance? Just curious.
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No more than I would have voted for Jimmy Carter in 1980.
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Don't know if this has been mentioned---IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT!!!!!

I am a conservative, but Bush appointed this dickhead, Roberts, just so he could easily sail through the hearings. Don't want to piss off dems, doncha know.

And he did, because he had a minimal record, and no one looked into what he really stood for. Roberts is a PROGRESSIVE POS just like Bush was. DAMN BUSH TO HELL.

I'm sure Jebbie Bush (still angling for the VP job) will be out with an op-ed shortly congratulating Roberts for his "tough" decision.

Dear God--we've lost the Republic.
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Ron Paul is still getting my vote. I settled last election just to keep Obongo out of office. Not a day has gone by where I haven't regretted it.
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X2

Now the option is a guy that couldn't even beat that guy(McCain) in the primaries. Nuts!
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You are about to make that same mistake again. We all are because we want Obama out.

The same thing happened in 2008. Everybody was so sick of bush they got Obama. Now we are so Sick of Obama we are going to vote a white Obama in.

If you can do it with a straight face then fine.

And for the record regardless if you remember me or not...I think you are an asshole.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Cool

You get to vote for Perot again, and claim plausible deniability while Obama wrecks the country.

"Not my fault, mang, I voted for teh guy who had no chance!"
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


I already said I was Voting for Romney. I guess you missed that. Perhaps selective reading was the cause of that.

I don't have to like it. But I'm doing it to get rid of Obama. That isn't a good thing, it's voting for the lesser of two evils again. The Press loves Romney. That alone should make you take pause.


To be honest with you I liked Herman Cain, but they sure got rid of him didn't they.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Fair enough.

I haven't read the entire thread.

Romney was about my last choice for a republican nominee. I'm not a big fan.

Still, I'll take him 100x over another 4 years of Obama, and feel good about it.
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I'll do it, with great pause. At least I know Romney has business sense. He is a self made millionaire. That has to count for something.

On that I can swallow that hard pill and just vote with a blind eye.

Anybody but Obama. We won't survive another 4 years of Obama.
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Anyone voting for this snake needs their head checked... Black people are thinking, oh? now we have healthcare, but wait till their five grand tax return, from their 4 fatherless children, and their minimum wage job at churches chicken dissapears to pay for healthcare... riots in the streets!!!! And damn, I was going to stick some 24's on my 91 caddy!!!! >.<
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Does anyone know about what your hero Romney did to health care in Mass????
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

You guys are drinking Kool aid.
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The anarchist's perspective:


"Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based of five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, or county commissioners." - Edward Abbey

"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." -Lysander Spooner

"If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skin into their clothing, and if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order." - Firefly
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Does anyone know about what your hero Romney did to health care in Mass????
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

You guys are drinking Kool aid.
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Did you know that Mass. is a common wealth. The people voted this in action. America as a whole doesn't support Obamacare. So why should we be forced to pay for something we don't want.
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Since WE are already lost, I'm voting my conscience...... Hopefully all those that want to really send an important message will "Write In" Ron Paul........... Say what you will I'm tired of giving in!

My anticipation is that Obama will win again and we will continue the slide to a > 20 trillion national debt...... Closer to a CCC (Communist Currency Collapse).

GoodBye Cruel World!!! ....(Just a Euphemism)....
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Does anyone know about what your hero Romney did to health care in Mass????
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

You guys are drinking Kool aid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14564403


Did you know that Mass. is a common wealth. The people voted this in action. America as a whole doesn't support Obamacare. So why should we be forced to pay for something we don't want.
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"The people as a whole don't support".....don't be so sure. You are on a very conservative forum pretending to be conspiratorial.
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If Jimmy Carter had 2 terms even Reagan wouldn't have been able to turn things around. Think about that.
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Because of Obamacare and the fact that insurance companies along with pharmaceutical companies must now pay billions annually to the federal government,I can no longer be included on my wife's medical insurance, which is a family plan. Because I have a job and my employer offers insurance, I am now forced to get that insurance for myself. The end result is that our family must now pay 2 premiums to be insured. This will cost me another $150+ per month, with no reduction in my wife's premium. So much for affordable. It is only affordable for those who will get it free because they don't work. Obama can go fuck himself.
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