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| Bluebird User ID: 730536  United States06/28/2012 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will be curious to see how the poll pans out. Personally, I am still in shock at this ruling and did not expect it. Obama repeatedly said it would not raise our taxes at all. What a surprise that he lied yet again--not. But no way is this bill of his truly constitutional regardless of what the SCOTUS says. One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
| MikeOxmaul User ID: 1438823 United States06/28/2012 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gary Johnson 2012! |
| Resister User ID: 669410 United States06/28/2012 01:39 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | im not voting for the marxist and romney wouldnt know what a principle was if it hit him in the face what was glenn becks slogan for romney at least he isnt a communist i cant take this anymore too depressed to even bother with punctuation at this point its all just a bridge too far for me now this a bit from something i wrote back in may [link to line-in-the-sand.blogspot.com] the bridge for that correction does not cross a river of accepting the loss of our most sacred freedoms generational government imposed debt and end-stage moral decay that bridge leads to perdition and that is not a road I am going to travel any more im voting other "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
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| SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 06/28/2012 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will be curious to see how the poll pans out. Quoting: Bluebird Personally, I am still in shock at this ruling and did not expect it. Obama repeatedly said it would not raise our taxes at all. What a surprise that he lied yet again--not. But no way is this bill of his truly constitutional regardless of what the SCOTUS says. Obama lying I also just expect as SOP. But Expanding the taxing athourity of congress to include somehow levying a tax on anyone if you do NOT participate in a govt program? I do not see how Roberts is justifying THAT...the Liberals it's to be expected from, they would have upheld Obamacare no matter what bullshit reasons they gave, but see this as a huge wimpout by Roberts. ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 13709116 United States06/28/2012 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just because someone calls something a tax does not mean it is a tax. Just like when someone calls a person an ass, it does not mean they are a donkey. The day after the election November of 2008, I felt like I woke up in an alternate universe where everything is wonky. It just keeps on geting worse and worse and I am waiting, and hoping, and begging for things to get back to what normal once was. It seems as if though someone switched the floride they put in our water with stupid because it just get more assinine by the minute. |
| SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 06/28/2012 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since he has ZERO chance of actually winning and the incumbant is usually favored by votes going to "other" and as things stand now this is a very close race, I'm sure Obama will be happy to hear you are voting for Johnson or Daffy Duck. ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
| Resister User ID: 669410 United States06/28/2012 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will be curious to see how the poll pans out. Quoting: Bluebird Personally, I am still in shock at this ruling and did not expect it. Obama repeatedly said it would not raise our taxes at all. What a surprise that he lied yet again--not. But no way is this bill of his truly constitutional regardless of what the SCOTUS says. Obama lying I also just expect as SOP. But Expanding the taxing athourity of congress to include somehow levying a tax on anyone if you do NOT participate in a govt program? I do not see how Roberts is justifying THAT...the Liberals it's to be expected from, they would have upheld Obamacare no matter what bullshit reasons they gave, but see this as a huge wimpout by Roberts. betrayal betrayal is the word you were looking for "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
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| SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 06/28/2012 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | im not voting for the marxist and romney wouldnt know what a principle was if it hit him in the face Quoting: Resister what was glenn becks slogan for romney at least he isnt a communist i cant take this anymore too depressed to even bother with punctuation at this point its all just a bridge too far for me now this a bit from something i wrote back in may [link to line-in-the-sand.blogspot.com] the bridge for that correction does not cross a river of accepting the loss of our most sacred freedoms generational government imposed debt and end-stage moral decay that bridge leads to perdition and that is not a road I am going to travel any more im voting other You should remove that Muscle car from your Avitard and go put on a dress and get your nails done before your mangina gets even more distressed. Waaaah I'm so sad...I can't even puncuate...and yet... it seems you're having a massive period right now. ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18144680 United States06/28/2012 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since he has ZERO chance of actually winning and the incumbant is usually favored by votes going to "other" and as things stand now this is a very close race, I'm sure Obama will be happy to hear you are voting for Johnson or Daffy Duck. yes, be sure to stick to the two options you're fed, evil, and eviler. i say go evilest, vermin supreme 2012. at least with him we get ponies. |
| SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 06/28/2012 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just because someone calls something a tax does not mean it is a tax. Just like when someone calls a person an ass, it does not mean they are a donkey. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13709116 The day after the election November of 2008, I felt like I woke up in an alternate universe where everything is wonky. It just keeps on geting worse and worse and I am waiting, and hoping, and begging for things to get back to what normal once was. It seems as if though someone switched the floride they put in our water with stupid because it just get more assinine by the minute. Waiting, hoping and begging been working for ya? ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
| Bluebird User ID: 730536 United States06/28/2012 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since he has ZERO chance of actually winning and the incumbant is usually favored by votes going to "other" and as things stand now this is a very close race, I'm sure Obama will be happy to hear you are voting for Johnson or Daffy Duck. Yes, any vote for other benefits Obama and may well be what re-elects him. One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
| SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 06/28/2012 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think Roberts was crazy like a fox. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14331217 He just woke the sleeping giant. He called it a tax. And how many Obama free healthcare retards just woke up? ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 3333291 United States06/28/2012 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since he has ZERO chance of actually winning and the incumbant is usually favored by votes going to "other" and as things stand now this is a very close race, I'm sure Obama will be happy to hear you are voting for Johnson or Daffy Duck. That's the thing people need to really get ahold on right now. Romney is not my candidate of choice, and he probably wouldn't be my second candidate of choice, but he's what we got. At least he is posturing to repeal it. He may not repeal it. He may attempt to repeal it and have a congress that won't. What he does is up in the air, what Obama will try to do isn't. If Romney comes in sucking air then he can go out in 4 years too. I'd rather take a chance that it may get a little better, or may get a little worse, than keep what we have. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18742725 United States06/28/2012 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will be curious to see how the poll pans out. Quoting: Bluebird Personally, I am still in shock at this ruling and did not expect it. Obama repeatedly said it would not raise our taxes at all. What a surprise that he lied yet again--not. But no way is this bill of his truly constitutional regardless of what the SCOTUS says. Obama lying I also just expect as SOP. But Expanding the taxing athourity of congress to include somehow levying a tax on anyone if you do NOT participate in a govt program? I do not see how Roberts is justifying THAT...the Liberals it's to be expected from, they would have upheld Obamacare no matter what bullshit reasons they gave, but see this as a huge wimpout by Roberts. He needs to be impeached. End of story. |
| Shingen User ID: 11870625 United States06/28/2012 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's baffling why people still consent to any of this shit. "Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based of five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, or county commissioners." - Edward Abbey "But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." -Lysander Spooner "If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skin into their clothing, and if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order." - Firefly |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18144680 United States06/28/2012 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since he has ZERO chance of actually winning and the incumbant is usually favored by votes going to "other" and as things stand now this is a very close race, I'm sure Obama will be happy to hear you are voting for Johnson or Daffy Duck. That's the thing people need to really get ahold on right now. Romney is not my candidate of choice, and he probably wouldn't be my second candidate of choice, but he's what we got. At least he is posturing to repeal it. He may not repeal it. He may attempt to repeal it and have a congress that won't. What he does is up in the air, what Obama will try to do isn't. If Romney comes in sucking air then he can go out in 4 years too. I'd rather take a chance that it may get a little better, or may get a little worse, than keep what we have. derr yeah romney's not my #1 guy, or #2 guy, or #3 guy... or #4, but he's the pile of crap stooge we need to fix the mess the current pile of crap stooge is worsening. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18743311  Poland06/28/2012 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the battle line is drawn after this SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare. No doubt this will be at least a major campaign issue if not the central point the entire presidential election with the whole election revolving around it. Quoting: SHR Romney is the Lock for the Republican nomination and Obama is the Lock for the Democratic nomination even though neither are the "Official" candidates until after the conventions. It's going to boil down to "Obamacare vs Repeal". If Obama gets re-elected?...then we can count on Obamacare being implemented virtually as it stands. Even if a majority of Republicans take over both houses it will be very difficult if not impossible to repeal with a Pro-Obamacare President. If Romney wins? He can issue executive orders immediately to wound it deeply, but it will still be up to congress to drive the stake through it's heart. That will only happen with a majority congress that is anti-Obamacare and that will mean a Republican Majority in both houses and may even require some Democrats signing on to kill the Act and a president who is willing to kill it. You really have to assume that the only viable vote against Obamacare is now going to be Romney, he'll be forced into repealing it, even if he wasn't fully in favor of doing so prior to this SCOTUS decision, he will be forced into doing it now, it'll be central to his campaign and it could not be avoided or danced around. For you "third party" and Ron Paul supporters, has this made you decide to vote for Romney to kill Obamacare or to vote for Obama to save Obamacare? It's well known that I regularly trash Ron Paul and his supporters so I am certainly not biased in a positive manner concerning anything RP, but I think we all could safely say that Ron Paul is not only dead against Obamacare but would consider it being repealed a very important goal of any President. Even if he would likely be hampered in doing so himself due to his rigid ideology, I do not think anyone could say he is anti-repeal. Soooo....has this ruling changed anyones position as to who they will vote for come this November? This needs to be repealed. However, unless we get 60 or more Republicans into the Senate, repeal could be blocked via filibuster. |
| SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 06/28/2012 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since he has ZERO chance of actually winning and the incumbant is usually favored by votes going to "other" and as things stand now this is a very close race, I'm sure Obama will be happy to hear you are voting for Johnson or Daffy Duck. yes, be sure to stick to the two options you're fed, evil, and eviler. i say go evilest, vermin supreme 2012. at least with him we get ponies. Oh I'm sorry, you must be one of them ubersmartards that knows that nothing matters and up is down etc etc...President Daffy would really change things for the better I'm sure. How about THIS concept...I'll form it along the lines you fringe voters seem to resonate with... Anyone running against the best chance to repeal Obamacare is guilty of TREASON if they do not drop out of the race within 48 hours from now. ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
| MikeOxmaul User ID: 1438823 United States06/28/2012 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since he has ZERO chance of actually winning and the incumbant is usually favored by votes going to "other" and as things stand now this is a very close race, I'm sure Obama will be happy to hear you are voting for Johnson or Daffy Duck. I was voting for Ron Paul but I heard he wears dirty diapers so I've switched my vote to Johnson. I agree this is a boost to Romney though because he had no actual plans and now he has something to rally his base but Romney is warmonger so I cannot vote for him so we can be the World Police. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18742725 United States06/28/2012 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18144680 United States06/28/2012 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since he has ZERO chance of actually winning and the incumbant is usually favored by votes going to "other" and as things stand now this is a very close race, I'm sure Obama will be happy to hear you are voting for Johnson or Daffy Duck. yes, be sure to stick to the two options you're fed, evil, and eviler. i say go evilest, vermin supreme 2012. at least with him we get ponies. Oh I'm sorry, you must be one of them ubersmartards that knows that nothing matters and up is down etc etc...President Daffy would really change things for the better I'm sure. How about THIS concept...I'll form it along the lines you fringe voters seem to resonate with... Anyone running against the best chance to repeal Obamacare is guilty of TREASON if they do not drop out of the race within 48 hours from now. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE FUCKS IS ALREADY GUILTY OF TREASON. |
| Shingen User ID: 11870625 United States06/28/2012 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone running against the best chance to repeal Obamacare is guilty of TREASON if they do not drop out of the race within 48 hours from now. Quoting: SHR Just remember, what these control-freak sociopaths promise during an election campaign very rarely, if ever happens in actual reality. Bread and circuses. "Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based of five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, or county commissioners." - Edward Abbey "But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." -Lysander Spooner "If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skin into their clothing, and if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order." - Firefly |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 15434199 United States06/28/2012 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: What Obamacare means: Tea Party is going Juggernaut (Page 3) Re: What Obamacare means: Tea Party is going Juggernaut OBAMA WILL win the election in November. I am a Libertarian now, and before was a Republican. This was the final nail in the coffin holding America. Obama will win, there is no doubt in my mind about that now. AMERICA DIED THIS MORNING Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15030665 Yep you know it. All these people who are in the position to actually do something are just giving lip service. BUT those same people keep sitting there running their hot air opening telling us " WE THE PEOPLE" to get up and do something... it is not only ridiculous but is getting rather sickening to hear over and over. They know the common Joe on the street has no way to do anything nor has the means to do it. WHY? BECAUSE THEIR MEANS OF DOING ANYTHING IS SITTING IN THE POCKETS OF THE ONES BLOWING THE HOT AIR! I have said for so long now this would pass, anyone with any common sense knew it would. Like i keep saying, look who he put in the SCOTUS... Scumbag "Keagan Rothchild". And the wrinkled up old hag and Roberts are all babies sucking his boobies. Anyone who thinks our courts are working for them are way out in left field with out a clue.The young kids of today had best better sit down and start really listening to the ones they laugh at and call old, because those are the same ones who will wind up rescuing their idiot butts from their ignorance.It is heart breaking to me to see this country being ripped apart like it is. My Daddy fought in WW1 & WW11. And all my greats, all my kin folk down the line fought for their country NOT congress, now look at it, my kin folk as well as all of anyone elses has just been slapped in the face AGAIN. Go stand at a military cemetery and look out over a sea of white crosses and maybe, just maybe you might get an idea of what i am talking about. Now you all might have a clue as to why the military is "training" in open streets of cities.It does not include the protection of we the people any more. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18144680 United States06/28/2012 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: SHR Since he has ZERO chance of actually winning and the incumbant is usually favored by votes going to "other" and as things stand now this is a very close race, I'm sure Obama will be happy to hear you are voting for Johnson or Daffy Duck. yes, be sure to stick to the two options you're fed, evil, and eviler. i say go evilest, vermin supreme 2012. at least with him we get ponies. Oh I'm sorry, you must be one of them ubersmartards that knows that nothing matters and up is down etc etc...President Daffy would really change things for the better I'm sure. How about THIS concept...I'll form it along the lines you fringe voters seem to resonate with... Anyone running against the best chance to repeal Obamacare is guilty of TREASON if they do not drop out of the race within 48 hours from now. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE FUCKS IS ALREADY GUILTY OF TREASON. ALL OF THEM. THE HOUSE, THE SENATE, THE WHITE HOUSE, THE SUPREME COURT. THEY HAVE ALL BEEN COMPLICIT IN TREASONOUS ACTS AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THEY HAVE ACTED WITH GREAT CARE AND PLANNING, THUS THEY HAVE CONSPIRED WITH THE FEDERAL RESERVE, INTERNATIONAL FINANCING CARTEL, AND MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS. TREASONOUS SCUM PAVING A TAINTED PATH AND YOU POINT THE WAY! |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17452464 United States06/28/2012 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since he has ZERO chance of actually winning and the incumbant is usually favored by votes going to "other" and as things stand now this is a very close race, I'm sure Obama will be happy to hear you are voting for Johnson or Daffy Duck. It's sad, but it's correct. These third party candidates only help either of the two main party candidates. Third party candidates are not on all of the ballots throughout the country. They are only on ballots in certain areas. The two main parties have created so many loopholes for other political parties to jump through and makes it impossible for democracy to succeed. |
| Citizen Publius User ID: 1804006 United States06/28/2012 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Perhaps Roberts knew exactly what he was doing. If he votes to declare Obamacare unconstitutional, he risks touching off a firestorm of radical leftists across the country. However, by calling it unconstitutional under the Commerce Clause and labeling it a tax, he takes it out of the regulation of commerce altogether and saddles Obama with a new tax right before an election. Now, if Obama's opponent (read Romney)is smart he will hold Obama's feet to the fire making him explain over and over why it is prudent to enact such a huge tax on the American people in the face of such a bad economy. At any rate, I don't believe that Roberts felt the warm fuzzies of liberalism running up and down his leg. Citizen Publius --------------------------- "An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy" - Daniel Webster "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately" - Benjamin Franklin "In all our associations; in all our agreements let us never lose sight of this fundamental maxim - that all power was originally lodged in, and consequently is derived from, the people" - George Mason |
