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SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 06/28/2012 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the battle line is drawn after this SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare. No doubt this will be at least a major campaign issue if not the central point the entire presidential election with the whole election revolving around it. Quoting: SHR Romney is the Lock for the Republican nomination and Obama is the Lock for the Democratic nomination even though neither are the "Official" candidates until after the conventions. It's going to boil down to "Obamacare vs Repeal". If Obama gets re-elected?...then we can count on Obamacare being implemented virtually as it stands. Even if a majority of Republicans take over both houses it will be very difficult if not impossible to repeal with a Pro-Obamacare President. If Romney wins? He can issue executive orders immediately to wound it deeply, but it will still be up to congress to drive the stake through it's heart. That will only happen with a majority congress that is anti-Obamacare and that will mean a Republican Majority in both houses and may even require some Democrats signing on to kill the Act and a president who is willing to kill it. You really have to assume that the only viable vote against Obamacare is now going to be Romney, he'll be forced into repealing it, even if he wasn't fully in favor of doing so prior to this SCOTUS decision, he will be forced into doing it now, it'll be central to his campaign and it could not be avoided or danced around. For you "third party" and Ron Paul supporters, has this made you decide to vote for Romney to kill Obamacare or to vote for Obama to save Obamacare? It's well known that I regularly trash Ron Paul and his supporters so I am certainly not biased in a positive manner concerning anything RP, but I think we all could safely say that Ron Paul is not only dead against Obamacare but would consider it being repealed a very important goal of any President. Even if he would likely be hampered in doing so himself due to his rigid ideology, I do not think anyone could say he is anti-repeal. Soooo....has this ruling changed anyones position as to who they will vote for come this November? This needs to be repealed. However, unless we get 60 or more Republicans into the Senate, repeal could be blocked via filibuster. Critical point... I think there might be some Dems that would sign on to repeal if the Republicans can take a majority, but that's very far from it being a sure thing by any stretch of the imagination... Last Edited by SHR on 06/28/2012 02:08 PM ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
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Bluebird User ID: 730536 United States 06/28/2012 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ron Paul is still getting my vote. I settled last election just to keep Obongo out of office. Not a day has gone by where I haven't regretted it. Quoting: -GooGooFlexy- So you regret voting against Obama in the last election? One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 06/28/2012 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: SHR Since he has ZERO chance of actually winning and the incumbant is usually favored by votes going to "other" and as things stand now this is a very close race, I'm sure Obama will be happy to hear you are voting for Johnson or Daffy Duck. yes, be sure to stick to the two options you're fed, evil, and eviler. i say go evilest, vermin supreme 2012. at least with him we get ponies. Oh I'm sorry, you must be one of them ubersmartards that knows that nothing matters and up is down etc etc...President Daffy would really change things for the better I'm sure. How about THIS concept...I'll form it along the lines you fringe voters seem to resonate with... Anyone running against the best chance to repeal Obamacare is guilty of TREASON if they do not drop out of the race within 48 hours from now. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE FUCKS IS ALREADY GUILTY OF TREASON. See?...I knew you were a reasonable one... And anyone else being guilty of anything else has nothing to do with these potential new acts of TREASON...so you support them traitors taking votes away from the repealers or not?...cause it sounds like you do.. ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
MikeOxmaul User ID: 1438823 United States 06/28/2012 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ron Paul is still getting my vote. I settled last election just to keep Obongo out of office. Not a day has gone by where I haven't regretted it. Quoting: -GooGooFlexy- So you regret voting against Obama in the last election? How many more American lives would have been lost in the middle east if McCain won? Syria, Iran, Libya, Egypt. How much higher would the debt had risen fighting all these useless battles? How much would oil be with all the conflict in the the middle east? He'd put the War Prisoners in 5 star hotels because he hates how he was treated as a POW. At least we would have the keystone pipeline.... I regret not voting Ron Paul last time too. Go with your beliefs not with the crowd. |
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SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 06/28/2012 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ron Paul is still getting my vote. I settled last election just to keep Obongo out of office. Not a day has gone by where I haven't regretted it. Quoting: -GooGooFlexy- So you regret voting against Obama in the last election? How many more American lives would have been lost in the middle east if McCain won? Syria, Iran, Libya, Egypt. How much higher would the debt had risen fighting all these useless battles? How much would oil be with all the conflict in the the middle east? He'd put the War Prisoners in 5 star hotels because he hates how he was treated as a POW. At least we would have the keystone pipeline.... I regret not voting Ron Paul last time too. Go with your beliefs not with the crowd. Yeah but if McCain HAD won?...we'd have free energy and full alien disclosure, plus he would have built moon bases and would have done a ton of other shit I can just make up because it never happened either and is completely hypothetical. ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 06/28/2012 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I voted "Will not effect me, will still vote other" even though the reality is that it will not AFFECT me. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1561325 Illiterate admins, <3 this place. In my Admin thread viewer?...that shows up as "Useful idiot" Took you all this time to get that?....lol...you must work for the DMV, or are dumb enough to think I care. Last Edited by SHR on 06/28/2012 02:19 PM ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9117667 United States 06/28/2012 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A "TAX" for not buying something? Really? What about the religous discrimination of allowing some groups out, while making other religous groups pay? Congress shall make no law regarding religion? Why did teh supreme court ignore this? Because they couldn't figure out some legal double speak to grant Obama a victory if they dealt with religous discrimination? WE don't need to just vote out Obama, we need to vote out EVERYONE who supported Obamacare and supported his nominees for the supreme court ESPECIALLY Kagan. Because now they have established a precedent for punishing people for choosing the wrong religion. If you don't even have freedom of conscience, YOU HAVE NOTHING! |
Zombie First Reponder User ID: 18749462 United States 06/28/2012 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The social contract, hanging by a thread as it was, has now been burned to ash. There is no representation at the Federal level. There is no consent of the governed. There is no pretense of defending the individual from the state. All 3 Federal branches have now proven to be in open rebellion against the Constitution. Our only question is: How, When and Where do we fire back? |
IWant2Believe User ID: 18004829 United States 06/28/2012 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This ruling by the SCOTUS has been paid for by Obama for America Greed is for amateurs. Disorder, chaos, anarchy: now that's fun! I am insane. And you are my insanity. I raise my flags, don my clothes It's a revolution, I suppose We'll paint it red to fit right in. I'm breaking in, shaping up, then checking out on the prison bus This is it, the apocalypse. I'm waking up, I feel it in my bones Enough to make my systems blow. Welcome to the new age! |
SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 06/28/2012 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like it summed up like this: We're paying for these losers with no health insurance!!!, so let's pass this Obamacare and.....pay for em!?... ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
Resister User ID: 669410 United States 06/28/2012 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | im not voting for the marxist and romney wouldnt know what a principle was if it hit him in the face Quoting: Resister what was glenn becks slogan for romney at least he isnt a communist i cant take this anymore too depressed to even bother with punctuation at this point its all just a bridge too far for me now this a bit from something i wrote back in may [link to line-in-the-sand.blogspot.com] the bridge for that correction does not cross a river of accepting the loss of our most sacred freedoms generational government imposed debt and end-stage moral decay that bridge leads to perdition and that is not a road I am going to travel any more im voting other You should remove that Muscle car from your Avitard and go put on a dress and get your nails done before your mangina gets even more distressed. Waaaah I'm so sad...I can't even puncuate...and yet... it seems you're having a massive period right now. Yeah, sorry about that. Guess I forgot we aren't allowed to have a bad day on the top assmin's thread. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
Zombie First Reponder User ID: 18749462 United States 06/28/2012 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ron Paul is still getting my vote. I settled last election just to keep Obongo out of office. Not a day has gone by where I haven't regretted it. Quoting: -GooGooFlexy- So you regret voting against Obama in the last election? How many more American lives would have been lost in the middle east if McCain won? Syria, Iran, Libya, Egypt. How much higher would the debt had risen fighting all these useless battles? How much would oil be with all the conflict in the the middle east? He'd put the War Prisoners in 5 star hotels because he hates how he was treated as a POW. At least we would have the keystone pipeline.... I regret not voting Ron Paul last time too. Go with your beliefs not with the crowd. Yeah but if McCain HAD won?...we'd have free energy and full alien disclosure, plus he would have built moon bases and would have done a ton of other shit I can just make up because it never happened either and is completely hypothetical. I'll tell you what we wouldn't have: Obamacare. 5 trillion more in debt. Kissing the Muslim Brotherhoods ass everywhere it oozes up. Russia laughing at us as we promise unilateral disarmament. China planning to painlessly take Taiwan. Nuclear capable missile bases being built by Iranians in Venezuela. "Leaks" of national security decisions designed to highlight McCain's gonads. The Fully Swish Sodomite Corps military. A canceled manned space program. NASA as a Muslim outreach department. A foreign national in the Executive. Somebody with multiple IDs, names, and communist mentors. That's my starting list. There's more. Last Edited by Zombie First Reponder on 06/28/2012 02:34 PM |
Dr.DoomLittle User ID: 6231580 United States 06/28/2012 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the battle line is drawn after this SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare. No doubt this will be at least a major campaign issue if not the central point the entire presidential election with the whole election revolving around it. Quoting: SHR Romney is the Lock for the Republican nomination and Obama is the Lock for the Democratic nomination even though neither are the "Official" candidates until after the conventions. It's going to boil down to "Obamacare vs Repeal". If Obama gets re-elected?...then we can count on Obamacare being implemented virtually as it stands. Even if a majority of Republicans take over both houses it will be very difficult if not impossible to repeal with a Pro-Obamacare President. If Romney wins? He can issue executive orders immediately to wound it deeply, but it will still be up to congress to drive the stake through it's heart. That will only happen with a majority congress that is anti-Obamacare and that will mean a Republican Majority in both houses and may even require some Democrats signing on to kill the Act and a president who is willing to kill it. You really have to assume that the only viable vote against Obamacare is now going to be Romney, he'll be forced into repealing it, even if he wasn't fully in favor of doing so prior to this SCOTUS decision, he will be forced into doing it now, it'll be central to his campaign and it could not be avoided or danced around. For you "third party" and Ron Paul supporters, has this made you decide to vote for Romney to kill Obamacare or to vote for Obama to save Obamacare? It's well known that I regularly trash Ron Paul and his supporters so I am certainly not biased in a positive manner concerning anything RP, but I think we all could safely say that Ron Paul is not only dead against Obamacare but would consider it being repealed a very important goal of any President. Even if he would likely be hampered in doing so himself due to his rigid ideology, I do not think anyone could say he is anti-repeal. Soooo....has this ruling changed anyones position as to who they will vote for come this November? votes dont count unless you vote 3rd party. Last Edited by Intergalactic Diplomat on 06/28/2012 02:36 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17452464 United States 06/28/2012 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The social contract, hanging by a thread as it was, has now been burned to ash. There is no representation at the Federal level. There is no consent of the governed. There is no pretense of defending the individual from the state. Quoting: Zombie First Reponder All 3 Federal branches have now proven to be in open rebellion against the Constitution. Our only question is: How, When and Where do we fire back? They should rename this country the FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF AMERICA. Individual rights for States are dead. |
shadasonic User ID: 15732022 United States 06/28/2012 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think Roberts was crazy like a fox. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14331217 He just woke the sleeping giant. He called it a tax. And how many Obama free healthcare retards just woke up? I'd bet you a large sum of money 60% of americans have no idea this is going on, or really care. We've got the tri-fecta going on right now, dances with the stars, the bachelorette, and americas got talent. We are so screwed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Last Edited by Thinking out loud on 06/28/2012 02:39 PM “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan |
snark Forum Administrator User ID: 1050548 United States 06/28/2012 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good chart explaining the employer mandate: Bottom line, employers are persona non grata. Now I'm going to have to cut SOME jobs to save the others. Last ones out the door, turn out the lights. [link to www.nfib.com] Last Edited by snark on 06/28/2012 02:40 PM T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 06/28/2012 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | im not voting for the marxist and romney wouldnt know what a principle was if it hit him in the face Quoting: Resister what was glenn becks slogan for romney at least he isnt a communist i cant take this anymore too depressed to even bother with punctuation at this point its all just a bridge too far for me now this a bit from something i wrote back in may [link to line-in-the-sand.blogspot.com] the bridge for that correction does not cross a river of accepting the loss of our most sacred freedoms generational government imposed debt and end-stage moral decay that bridge leads to perdition and that is not a road I am going to travel any more im voting other You should remove that Muscle car from your Avitard and go put on a dress and get your nails done before your mangina gets even more distressed. Waaaah I'm so sad...I can't even puncuate...and yet... it seems you're having a massive period right now. Yeah, sorry about that. Guess I forgot we aren't allowed to have a bad day on the top assmin's thread. Oh, boo hoo...suck it up and be a man about it. All this wimpering, and it's not just from you, is exactly how we get crap like this healthcare fiasco as well as unqualified dipshits like Obama shoved up our asses. If you don't like me calling you a pussy?...then don't act like one and no one will. ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
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SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 06/28/2012 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the battle line is drawn after this SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare. No doubt this will be at least a major campaign issue if not the central point the entire presidential election with the whole election revolving around it. Quoting: SHR Romney is the Lock for the Republican nomination and Obama is the Lock for the Democratic nomination even though neither are the "Official" candidates until after the conventions. It's going to boil down to "Obamacare vs Repeal". If Obama gets re-elected?...then we can count on Obamacare being implemented virtually as it stands. Even if a majority of Republicans take over both houses it will be very difficult if not impossible to repeal with a Pro-Obamacare President. If Romney wins? He can issue executive orders immediately to wound it deeply, but it will still be up to congress to drive the stake through it's heart. That will only happen with a majority congress that is anti-Obamacare and that will mean a Republican Majority in both houses and may even require some Democrats signing on to kill the Act and a president who is willing to kill it. You really have to assume that the only viable vote against Obamacare is now going to be Romney, he'll be forced into repealing it, even if he wasn't fully in favor of doing so prior to this SCOTUS decision, he will be forced into doing it now, it'll be central to his campaign and it could not be avoided or danced around. For you "third party" and Ron Paul supporters, has this made you decide to vote for Romney to kill Obamacare or to vote for Obama to save Obamacare? It's well known that I regularly trash Ron Paul and his supporters so I am certainly not biased in a positive manner concerning anything RP, but I think we all could safely say that Ron Paul is not only dead against Obamacare but would consider it being repealed a very important goal of any President. Even if he would likely be hampered in doing so himself due to his rigid ideology, I do not think anyone could say he is anti-repeal. Soooo....has this ruling changed anyones position as to who they will vote for come this November? votes dont count unless you vote 3rd party. Would you vote for an alive and well Hitler over Obama OR Romney? ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
sandpiper User ID: 18751596 United States 06/28/2012 02:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My daughter just called she said that Romney had just received over $1,000,000 in donations since this was announced. I haven't been able to get her back on the phone to see where she had heard this info., it was on T.V. Maybe Roberts knew the people would really let O have it, when they find out it will be a TAX, and go to Romney. Give it some time and pray that Romney will use this until Nov. O lies and America dies. If you break my wings, I will just find a cloud and learn to fly again. The Lord will catch you when you fall or teach you to fly! May the footprints I leave lead you to BELIEVE. |
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SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 06/28/2012 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think Roberts was crazy like a fox. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14331217 He just woke the sleeping giant. He called it a tax. And how many Obama free healthcare retards just woke up? I'd bet you a large sum of money 60% of americans have no idea this is going on, or really care. We've got the tri-fecta going on right now, dances with the stars, the bachelorette, and americas got talent. We are so screwed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 60% at least, but it isn't due to those goofball teevee shows although there are probably more aware of who's who on them then who's who in DC and is actually running this country. The majority of people are consumed by the little patch of life they have going on around them. Many are more concerned about what soda is on sale or how their lawn and new shrub is doing than they are about what they call "politics" which really is the entire command and control structure of this nation. They are 100% reactionary and only take notice of major shifts in policy across the entire spectrum, local, national, global IF they even bother to notice at all...until some policy affects them on some base personal level, like their pocketbooks or jobs. Sadly it has almost always been this way...so it is up to us who do pay attention to help them become more aware so we never have an American Idull winner become president again... ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
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Bluebird User ID: 730536 United States 06/28/2012 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My daughter just called she said that Romney had just received over $1,000,000 in donations since this was announced. I haven't been able to get her back on the phone to see where she had heard this info., it was on T.V. Maybe Roberts knew the people would really let O have it, when they find out it will be a TAX, and go to Romney. Give it some time and pray that Romney will use this until Nov. O lies and America dies. Quoting: sandpiper I heard this on two news channels but was told I was lying about it so I found it on the internet. Here is thread I started for those who didn't believe it. Thread: Romney Raises $1 million in donations since the SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare--UPDATE $4 Million One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
Éireann User ID: 18746713 United States 06/28/2012 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was voting for Romney anyway, no change 26.9% (84) Quoting: SHR Will not effect me, will still vote other 21.2% (66) Blank view results... Yes, It's a TRAP!!! 17.6% (55) Was going to vote other, now will vote for Romney 16.3% (51) I was voting for Obama anyway, no change. 6.1% (19) I'd say something changed. Only 21.2% voting RP? On THIS forum? Oh boy. Today's ruling really is a landmark ruling. Eireann~ I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20 |
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