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There are 21 tax increases in Obamacare, most on the middle class and poor.

 
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There are 21 tax increases in Obamacare, most on the middle class and poor.
The high court’s ruling leaves in place 21 tax increases in the health-care law costing more than $675 billion over the next 10 years, according to the House Ways and Means Committee. Of those, 12 tax hikes would affect families earning less than $250,000 per year, the panel said, including a “Cadillac tax” on high-cost insurance plans, a tax on insurance providers, and an excise tax on medical device manufacturers.


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So pay up bitches on those pacemakers!


Oh, that's right! THey aren't "cost effective" under Obamcare any way.

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Re: There are 21 tax increases in Obamacare, most on the middle class and poor.
My question is what is the definition of a “High-cost plan”

My gut tells me…. I got one LOL
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Re: There are 21 tax increases in Obamacare, most on the middle class and poor.
Great catch my friend!

I found this Obamcare CALCULATOR


For a family of 4 making a paltry 50k a year

Starting in 2014:You will have the option of buying a health plan through your state's exchange Based on your income, your annual premiums for that plan would be no more than $3,150 to $4,025


If you do not obtain insurance coverage by 2014 you will be assessed a tax penalty. The penalty becomes progressively greater from 2014 through 2016, when it reaches full strength. At that point, assuming your current income remains the same and your household consists of 2 uninsured adults and 2 uninsured children, your family would be subject to a penalty of about $2,085


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5 stars!
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Re: There are 21 tax increases in Obamacare, most on the middle class and poor.
Apparently, the fact that Obama made true one of his key election promises reflects in polls; he's gaining advantage:

Pollsters averages:

Popular: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

Electoral: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

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Quality health care costs money so whats wrong with paying more? This program is needed and I am glad its here. Its about time
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Quality health care costs money so whats wrong with paying more? This program is needed and I am glad its here. Its about time
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The rationing and "cost effective" aspects of this bill insure that it will not be the quality to which we are acccustomed.

The additional taxes are not to improve the quality or even access but to pay for those who do not contribute anything.
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Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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Re: There are 21 tax increases in Obamacare, most on the middle class and poor.
Apparently, the fact that Obama made true one of his key election promises reflects in polls; he's gaining advantage:

Pollsters averages:

Popular: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

Electoral: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

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You do know those polls were taken BEFORE this act passed, don't you? I think you do and are just lying.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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My question is what is the definition of a “High-cost plan”

My gut tells me…. I got one LOL
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My family does. It's damn good coverage though.
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Quality health care costs money so whats wrong with paying more? This program is needed and I am glad its here. Its about time
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The rationing and "cost effective" aspects of this bill insure that it will not be the quality to which we are acccustomed.

The additional taxes are not to improve the quality or even access but to pay for those who do not contribute anything.
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Correct.

The quality of our coverage is going to go down in ways no one would like. This country is the place where people were coming to recieve treatment when their own country couldn't provide it in a timely manner.
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Re: There are 21 tax increases in Obamacare, most on the middle class and poor.
Apparently, the fact that Obama made true one of his key election promises reflects in polls; he's gaining advantage:

Pollsters averages:

Popular: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

Electoral: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

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You do know those polls were taken BEFORE this act passed, don't you? I think you do and are just lying.
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But, but, but... as you said, you already know how poor Americans are donating $millions to the Romney's campaign because of the recent SCOTUS decision?

Okay, let's wait till tomorrow to see how sticking with his election promise will reflect on the Obama's ratings.

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Re: There are 21 tax increases in Obamacare, most on the middle class and poor.
Apparently, the fact that Obama made true one of his key election promises reflects in polls; he's gaining advantage:

Pollsters averages:

Popular: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

Electoral: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

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not up to date there guy!

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How will this affect all the waivers Sebilius passed out to Obama's buddies? Now that it's a tax, will they still be exempt?
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Re: There are 21 tax increases in Obamacare, most on the middle class and poor.
Apparently, the fact that Obama made true one of his key election promises reflects in polls; he's gaining advantage:

Pollsters averages:

Popular: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

Electoral: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

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You do know those polls were taken BEFORE this act passed, don't you? I think you do and are just lying.
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But, but, but... as you said, you already know how poor Americans are donating $millions to the Romney's campaign because of the recent SCOTUS decision?

Okay, let's wait till tomorrow to see how sticking with his election promise will reflect on the Obama's ratings.

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Lie about what I said one more time and your posts are all going to go the way of our choice on Obamacare.

I said Mitt Romney has had $1 million donated since this was announced this morning. NOT MILLIONS as you lyingly claim.

This is a fact--check it out!
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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I would not mind paying more for better quality health care. However I know I will be paying more for worse care. The people will be herded through like cattle.
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Re: There are 21 tax increases in Obamacare, most on the middle class and poor.
Apparently, the fact that Obama made true one of his key election promises reflects in polls; he's gaining advantage:

Pollsters averages:

Popular: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

Electoral: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

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You do know those polls were taken BEFORE this act passed, don't you? I think you do and are just lying.
 Quoting: Bluebird

But, but, but... as you said, you already know how poor Americans are donating $millions to the Romney's campaign because of the recent SCOTUS decision?

Okay, let's wait till tomorrow to see how sticking with his election promise will reflect on the Obama's ratings.

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Here is but one source for the $1 million Romney raked in today


[link to www.thedailybeast.com]

Check his official website if you don't believe it but you really need to just GTFO.
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Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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My question is what is the definition of a “High-cost plan”

My gut tells me…. I got one LOL
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Me too! My ass bleeds every month when I get my pay check, and they got more than I did.
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WOW.....I'M SHOCKED ....LOL....ANYONE WHO THINKS THERE VOTE COUNTS AFTER THIS IS A SUCKER 78% OF AMERICANS DO NOT WANT THIS SO KEEP VOTING FOOLS
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It's 5 to 4 We Don't Care!angryface
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Despite Barry Soetero's insistance that the "Mandate" is not a "Tax", SCOTUS disagreed, so BarryCare is now the LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN UNITED STATES HISTORY! Right when we are having double digit unemployment and an economic downturn...

This MASSIVE tax increase hits Small Business, the Middle Class, and the Working Poor the hardest...

So if I "Wanted" to destroy America, it would seem this is the perfect vehicle for that...

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Apparently, the fact that Obama made true one of his key election promises reflects in polls; he's gaining advantage:

Pollsters averages:

Popular: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

Electoral: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

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Is this sarcasm? Because it doesn't show that at all.
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cruise Romney blowing sunshine up everyone's ass



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Quality health care costs money so whats wrong with paying more? This program is needed and I am glad its here. Its about time
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You have no idea how bad this is. For F sake. Go back to watching TV.

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Re: There are 21 tax increases in Obamacare, most on the middle class and poor.
Despite Barry Soetero's insistance that the "Mandate" is not a "Tax", SCOTUS disagreed, so BarryCare is now the LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN UNITED STATES HISTORY! Right when we are having double digit unemployment and an economic downturn...

This MASSIVE tax increase hits Small Business, the Middle Class, and the Working Poor the hardest...

So if I "Wanted" to destroy America, it would seem this is the perfect vehicle for that...

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It is that. The biggest tax and also the biggest job killer in the history of this country.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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Re: There are 21 tax increases in Obamacare, most on the middle class and poor.
Apparently, the fact that Obama made true one of his key election promises reflects in polls; he's gaining advantage:

Pollsters averages:

Popular: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

Electoral: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18703950

You do know those polls were taken BEFORE this act passed, don't you? I think you do and are just lying.
 Quoting: Bluebird

But, but, but... as you said, you already know how poor Americans are donating $millions to the Romney's campaign because of the recent SCOTUS decision?

Okay, let's wait till tomorrow to see how sticking with his election promise will reflect on the Obama's ratings.

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[link to www.thedailybeast.com]



I'm still waiting for you to admit I was right about the donations collected by Romney since this was announced this morning.

Suddenly your big mouth is all crickets chirping.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy
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Apparently, the fact that Obama made true one of his key election promises reflects in polls; he's gaining advantage:

Pollsters averages:

Popular: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

Electoral: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

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Is this sarcasm? Because it doesn't show that at all.
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No, it's just a resident knowitall showing his ignorance over and over and stalking my threads.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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In the Senate, the gap is closed by relying on the "Cadillac tax," a 40 percent assessment on insurance plans with premiums of more than $8,500 for singles and $23,000 for families. In the House, the gap is closed with a surtax on those earning more than $500,000.

Sorry, but if you can afford $23,000 a year and CHOOSE to take that insurance over the more affordable healthcare packages, you're not low-middle class....
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Tanning tax: Those seeking a little indoor "irradiation" by "ultraviolet radiation" -- as opposed to just going to the beach -- have been paying a 10% excise tax on the cost of their indoor tanning services.
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CBO: New 10-year projected cost of ObamaCare is … $1.76 trillion

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