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Chief Justice John Roberts - The Implications of his words today on ObamaCare

 
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Impeach John Roberts.

Impeach Barry.

oh, frel this dren, just kill them all and let god sort them out.

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If only we could 'edit' the past..
But your typo will live in infamy in my quote..
No hard feelings..
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If only we could 'edit' the past..
But your typo will live in infamy in my quote..
No hard feelings..
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Oh no, what shall I even do?
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

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Restore the Republic.

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John Roberts basically created a loop-hole.......

But I still think Obama will win .....something I don't want to happen.....but it is in the stars. When Obama wins, that loop-hole ain't gonna matter 1 damn bit....ya know what I mean?
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Very possible, and some people may still not agree with the way Roberts created that loop-hole...

But come November, if his New Chess Piece is seen to have changed the Election in Republicans favor...

If Romney wins...

People are then going to be looking at Roberts in a very different way from how they are now.

Yes, he changed the game of Political Chess.

But by putting his new piece on the board, he just made a very dangerous move in the game and the entire world is now going to be carefully examining that move for years to come! Some say it could back fire come November, and maybe it will.

Even if Romney does not win, Republican's may still gain their majority in the Senate, and Robert's decision will have very profound impact on that if they chose to go after ObamaCare.

It can be said that his words are a Trojan Horse victory for BOTH sides...
 Quoting: Nyarlathotep75

Very sorry but...I don't give a f*ck if Romney wins or republicans have a majority...I want this gawd-forsaken, unconstitutional "obamacare" crap gone. Have zero confidence Romney and republican brethren will get rid of it. This crap is going to get ingrained in our society and impossible to get rid of, just like all the other mammoth fed welfare and control programs.

SCOTUS had a responsibility to protect the Constitution and they are failures. There is a lot more in "obamacare" that is unconstitutional beyond the supposed mandate.
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Outstanding post OP.

I needed some more good news today.
Here's mine:
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Impeach John Roberts.

Impeach Barry.

oh, frel this dren, just kill them all and let god sort them out.

hf
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yes
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The dems must have something on Chief Justice John Roberts..
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Not the dems , 'They'
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It was asked that I repost this as a new thread... as this was my response in another, and people are saying it should be a thread by itself...

This is going to have long term implications on American Politics, and the Chief Justice's words are going to be looked at, and examined by historians many years on down the road... and we, today, may not fully understand his words for many years...

John Roberts, just redefined the game of Political Chess...


Thread: Help on meaning of "mandate is a tax, therefore legal"?!?!
The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States.

John Roberts.

Declared that ObamaCare is Unconstititutional under the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution.

The President, and his supporters did not want this decision.

John Roberts then delcared... specifically the "Individual Mandate" clause within ObamaCare, IS Constitutional, under the TAXATION Clause of the United States Constitution.

This is very important, and Chief Justice Robert's words are going to go down in history. What he said basically identifies the "Individual Mandate" as being the Financial Arm of the entire ObamaCare plan; and passed the "buck" back into the Republican side of the Aisle.

How did he do this?

Chief Justice Roberts is a republican Justice, who just sided with the Liberal Justices on this matter! This is a very important message to the Republican Party, in that they can no longer put "political matters" on HIS bench, and expect the Supreme Court to settle those matters for them.

At the same time, John Roberts, declaring that the Individual Mandate is legal under the TAXATION clause of the Constitution, the exact thing that Obama did NOT want to happen...

Just handed the White House to Mit Romney.

How and why?

Because for the past 2 - 3 years, Obama and his supporters have stated .. "This is not a Tax!" Why have they said this? If it were a tax, then it would make Obama the single greatest Tax HIKER, in all of American history, and NO President wants to be known as that!

The Supreme Court just said it IS a tax because it can only stand, constitutionally, under the Tax Clause of the Constitution.

Basically, you have a game of chess.

On one side of the board you have Obama.

On the other side you have Romney.

They two are playing a dangerous game of Chess, each moving their pieces and so on.

But now in steps John Roberts, the CHIEF Justice, of the Supreme Court! The final authority of the Supreme Court, the Senior HEAD of the Judiciary Branch of Government!

He just smacked a NEW piece down onto that chess board, a piece that no one has ever seen before.

This new piece, completely changes the entire game, completely redefines it in ways we will not understand for several more years down the road.

But the fact remains.

This new piece is ON THE BOARD.

By declaring ObamaCare legal under the Taxation Clause.

He personally just opened the door to a world of possibilities.

1. Republicans CAN repeal ObamaCare if they gain a Majority in the Senate, and they can do this with ONLY a 51 majority Vote and because it is a Tax - ITS REPEAL CAN'T BE FILIBUSTERED by the Dems!

2. As a Tax, The Catholic Church can now SUE over the contraception clause, because it is ILLEGAL for a THIRD PARTY to pay a tax FOR you!

3. The Republican's, and Romney specifically, can now destroy Obama with the 3+ years of public soundbites of Obama and Co. repeatedly stating "This is not a Tax!"


John Roberts just changed the entire direction of the Election.
 Quoting: Nyarlathotep75



You guys still don't get it.

The CHIEF JUSTICE of the United States Supreme Court...

Just declared President Barack Obama as the single greatest TAX INCREASER in all of American History.

If this mandate is a Tax, this means no other President before Obama has ever increased Taxes to the extent that this does and Obama his just pushed the greatest Tax Increase in all of U.S. History!

Of course Obama is going to stand there in the Rose Garden, smile and wave and say he supports the Courts decision, why would he admit this is a defeat for him when he can spin it to try to make himself look good?

Fact is, this is a VERY UGLY stain on Obama's record, and what President would want that on their record?

This fact alone may have just handed the White House over to Romney.

I was just listening to the news on the radio here in Atlanta; a city that is mostly Democrat controlled. They were at the Varsity (the worlds largest fast food drive thru) interviewing people there, many of whom were saying.. "I wasn't going to vote, but now I'm going to go vote for Romney!"

The fact that this is a Tax has opened peoples eyes!
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 Quoting: Nyarlathotep75

Very well said . You hit the nail on the head.
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The dems must have something on Chief Justice John Roberts..
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Not the dems , 'They'
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DING!

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It was asked that I repost this as a new thread... as this was my response in another, and people are saying it should be a thread by itself...

This is going to have long term implications on American Politics, and the Chief Justice's words are going to be looked at, and examined by historians many years on down the road... and we, today, may not fully understand his words for many years...

John Roberts, just redefined the game of Political Chess...


Thread: Help on meaning of "mandate is a tax, therefore legal"?!?!
The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States.

John Roberts.

Declared that ObamaCare is Unconstititutional under the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution.

The President, and his supporters did not want this decision.

John Roberts then delcared... specifically the "Individual Mandate" clause within ObamaCare, IS Constitutional, under the TAXATION Clause of the United States Constitution.

This is very important, and Chief Justice Robert's words are going to go down in history. What he said basically identifies the "Individual Mandate" as being the Financial Arm of the entire ObamaCare plan; and passed the "buck" back into the Republican side of the Aisle.

How did he do this?

Chief Justice Roberts is a republican Justice, who just sided with the Liberal Justices on this matter! This is a very important message to the Republican Party, in that they can no longer put "political matters" on HIS bench, and expect the Supreme Court to settle those matters for them.

At the same time, John Roberts, declaring that the Individual Mandate is legal under the TAXATION clause of the Constitution, the exact thing that Obama did NOT want to happen...

Just handed the White House to Mit Romney.

How and why?

Because for the past 2 - 3 years, Obama and his supporters have stated .. "This is not a Tax!" Why have they said this? If it were a tax, then it would make Obama the single greatest Tax HIKER, in all of American history, and NO President wants to be known as that!

The Supreme Court just said it IS a tax because it can only stand, constitutionally, under the Tax Clause of the Constitution.

Basically, you have a game of chess.

On one side of the board you have Obama.

On the other side you have Romney.

They two are playing a dangerous game of Chess, each moving their pieces and so on.

But now in steps John Roberts, the CHIEF Justice, of the Supreme Court! The final authority of the Supreme Court, the Senior HEAD of the Judiciary Branch of Government!

He just smacked a NEW piece down onto that chess board, a piece that no one has ever seen before.

This new piece, completely changes the entire game, completely redefines it in ways we will not understand for several more years down the road.

But the fact remains.

This new piece is ON THE BOARD.

By declaring ObamaCare legal under the Taxation Clause.

He personally just opened the door to a world of possibilities.

1. Republicans CAN repeal ObamaCare if they gain a Majority in the Senate, and they can do this with ONLY a 51 majority Vote and because it is a Tax - ITS REPEAL CAN'T BE FILIBUSTERED by the Dems!

2. As a Tax, The Catholic Church can now SUE over the contraception clause, because it is ILLEGAL for a THIRD PARTY to pay a tax FOR you!

3. The Republican's, and Romney specifically, can now destroy Obama with the 3+ years of public soundbites of Obama and Co. repeatedly stating "This is not a Tax!"


John Roberts just changed the entire direction of the Election.
 Quoting: Nyarlathotep75



You guys still don't get it.

The CHIEF JUSTICE of the United States Supreme Court...

Just declared President Barack Obama as the single greatest TAX INCREASER in all of American History.

If this mandate is a Tax, this means no other President before Obama has ever increased Taxes to the extent that this does and Obama his just pushed the greatest Tax Increase in all of U.S. History!

Of course Obama is going to stand there in the Rose Garden, smile and wave and say he supports the Courts decision, why would he admit this is a defeat for him when he can spin it to try to make himself look good?

Fact is, this is a VERY UGLY stain on Obama's record, and what President would want that on their record?

This fact alone may have just handed the White House over to Romney.

I was just listening to the news on the radio here in Atlanta; a city that is mostly Democrat controlled. They were at the Varsity (the worlds largest fast food drive thru) interviewing people there, many of whom were saying.. "I wasn't going to vote, but now I'm going to go vote for Romney!"

The fact that this is a Tax has opened peoples eyes!
 Quoting: Nyarlathotep75

 Quoting: Nyarlathotep75

Very well said . You hit the nail on the head.
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Except the OP was wrong. The senate Dems will be able to filibuster. Republicans just did it with the Buffet rule. It was a tax. What would stop Dems from doing it. It will take 60 votes to repeal.
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People that think they can use legal maneuvering to create liberty for themselves in a cryptopolylogist system are just deluding themselves!
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Except the OP was wrong. The senate Dems will be able to filibuster. Republicans just did it with the Buffet rule. It was a tax. What would stop Dems from doing it. It will take 60 votes to repeal.
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The difference is my friend...

For the FIRST TIME, in 50 YEARS...

The SCOTUS has, through the Chief Justice, just set clear and defined limitations to not only the Commerce Clause in the Constitution...

But ALSO to the Tax Clause of the Constitution.

I'm surprised no one has figured that one out yet.

Thats what I mean by, Roberts' just smacked all their asses, and told them how to do their jobs.

He just went and defined clear and precise limitations to THEIR POWER, regarding those clauses within the Constitution.

And yes.. they CAN repeal it with only a 51 majority vote and no it can NOT be filibustered.

Do your research and your homework.

You want proof?

Just go out and Google "51 Majority senate vote repeal obamacare"

Here... since most of you are incapable of doing such research on your own, I'll do it for you!

[link to www.google.com]
[link to washingtonexaminer.com]
[link to www.myheritage.org]
[link to tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com]
[link to www.examiner.com]


Are you guys figuring this stuff out yet?
Psalm 90:4 .. 2 Peter 3:8
1 Day to God, is 1000 years on Earth.

Do the Math, Genesis was the Neolithic Revolution!

The 7 "Days" of Creation (including His 1 Day of Rest) were actually 7000 years, add that to the current 6000 Years of the Hebrew Calender dating Genesis to the Present, and you have 12,000 - 14,000 years! Right smack in the middle of the Neolithic Revolution, when the "Homo Sapien" species learned how to... "grow a brain"!
________________________________________________

If George W. Bush was supposed to be Cthulhu...
Then Barack Hussein Obama is the spittin image of Nyarlathotep!
Behold! The Crawling Chaos! Nephren Ka! The Black Pharaoh!

Cthulhu is the High Priest of Azathoth. The high Priest spreads "the word" and prepares "the way", and introduces the religion...
Nyarlathotep is the Harbinger of Azathoth... the Harbinger heralds the imminent arrival of Azathoth!
Azathoth is the insane blind god in the Center of Chaos!

So guess whats coming next...

Behold America running blindly into Chaos! Azathoth comes!
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[link to www.examiner.com]
"If the Democrats are expecting to use a filibuster to prevent the repeal of Obamacare next year under a Republican-controlled senate, they will not be able to do this. Consider that most pundits are predicting that the voters will hand control of the U.S. Senate to the GOP. Under today's Supreme Court ruling, the individual mandate was deemed a tax by Chief Justice John Roberts, writing the majority opinion. And remember how the Democrats avoided a Republican-lead filibuster by enacting Obamacare via the reconciliation process, a procedure reserved for tax and budget bills that doesn't allow a filibuster to stop the will of the majority on those legislative matters."
Psalm 90:4 .. 2 Peter 3:8
1 Day to God, is 1000 years on Earth.

Do the Math, Genesis was the Neolithic Revolution!

The 7 "Days" of Creation (including His 1 Day of Rest) were actually 7000 years, add that to the current 6000 Years of the Hebrew Calender dating Genesis to the Present, and you have 12,000 - 14,000 years! Right smack in the middle of the Neolithic Revolution, when the "Homo Sapien" species learned how to... "grow a brain"!
________________________________________________

If George W. Bush was supposed to be Cthulhu...
Then Barack Hussein Obama is the spittin image of Nyarlathotep!
Behold! The Crawling Chaos! Nephren Ka! The Black Pharaoh!

Cthulhu is the High Priest of Azathoth. The high Priest spreads "the word" and prepares "the way", and introduces the religion...
Nyarlathotep is the Harbinger of Azathoth... the Harbinger heralds the imminent arrival of Azathoth!
Azathoth is the insane blind god in the Center of Chaos!

So guess whats coming next...

Behold America running blindly into Chaos! Azathoth comes!
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[link to washingtonexaminer.com]
But repealing the individual mandate takes only 51 votes (50, if a Republican is the vice president). You see, Senators can’t filibuster a bill passed under “budget reconciliation.” Since Chief Justice John Roberts ruled today that Obama’s individual mandate is a tax, Republicans, it seems to me, could simply lower the tax for not having health insurance down to $0.00, as a matter of budget reconciliation.
Psalm 90:4 .. 2 Peter 3:8
1 Day to God, is 1000 years on Earth.

Do the Math, Genesis was the Neolithic Revolution!

The 7 "Days" of Creation (including His 1 Day of Rest) were actually 7000 years, add that to the current 6000 Years of the Hebrew Calender dating Genesis to the Present, and you have 12,000 - 14,000 years! Right smack in the middle of the Neolithic Revolution, when the "Homo Sapien" species learned how to... "grow a brain"!
________________________________________________

If George W. Bush was supposed to be Cthulhu...
Then Barack Hussein Obama is the spittin image of Nyarlathotep!
Behold! The Crawling Chaos! Nephren Ka! The Black Pharaoh!

Cthulhu is the High Priest of Azathoth. The high Priest spreads "the word" and prepares "the way", and introduces the religion...
Nyarlathotep is the Harbinger of Azathoth... the Harbinger heralds the imminent arrival of Azathoth!
Azathoth is the insane blind god in the Center of Chaos!

So guess whats coming next...

Behold America running blindly into Chaos! Azathoth comes!
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You guys getting it yet?
Psalm 90:4 .. 2 Peter 3:8
1 Day to God, is 1000 years on Earth.

Do the Math, Genesis was the Neolithic Revolution!

The 7 "Days" of Creation (including His 1 Day of Rest) were actually 7000 years, add that to the current 6000 Years of the Hebrew Calender dating Genesis to the Present, and you have 12,000 - 14,000 years! Right smack in the middle of the Neolithic Revolution, when the "Homo Sapien" species learned how to... "grow a brain"!
________________________________________________

If George W. Bush was supposed to be Cthulhu...
Then Barack Hussein Obama is the spittin image of Nyarlathotep!
Behold! The Crawling Chaos! Nephren Ka! The Black Pharaoh!

Cthulhu is the High Priest of Azathoth. The high Priest spreads "the word" and prepares "the way", and introduces the religion...
Nyarlathotep is the Harbinger of Azathoth... the Harbinger heralds the imminent arrival of Azathoth!
Azathoth is the insane blind god in the Center of Chaos!

So guess whats coming next...

Behold America running blindly into Chaos! Azathoth comes!
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If the Repubs can repeal just the Individual Mandate clause of Obamacare with just 51 votes, and the Dems can't filibuster this...

Obamacare as a whole, collapses because it loses its primary Financial Arm, which Roberts defined by declaring it as a TAX!

Repubs, could just as easily go and set its tax rate at $0.00 if they wanted too!
Psalm 90:4 .. 2 Peter 3:8
1 Day to God, is 1000 years on Earth.

Do the Math, Genesis was the Neolithic Revolution!

The 7 "Days" of Creation (including His 1 Day of Rest) were actually 7000 years, add that to the current 6000 Years of the Hebrew Calender dating Genesis to the Present, and you have 12,000 - 14,000 years! Right smack in the middle of the Neolithic Revolution, when the "Homo Sapien" species learned how to... "grow a brain"!
________________________________________________

If George W. Bush was supposed to be Cthulhu...
Then Barack Hussein Obama is the spittin image of Nyarlathotep!
Behold! The Crawling Chaos! Nephren Ka! The Black Pharaoh!

Cthulhu is the High Priest of Azathoth. The high Priest spreads "the word" and prepares "the way", and introduces the religion...
Nyarlathotep is the Harbinger of Azathoth... the Harbinger heralds the imminent arrival of Azathoth!
Azathoth is the insane blind god in the Center of Chaos!

So guess whats coming next...

Behold America running blindly into Chaos! Azathoth comes!
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Great Post!!
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OP's analysis is compelling, but...

Seeing as how all 4 dissenting Justices were in unanimous consent that the entire law should be struck down (not simply the mandate)...I'd prefer the Chief Justice simply take the victory and run and let the candidates duke it out in the campaign process, rather than "introduce and unprecedented chess piece" and play roulette with my country's future.

It's not as though any alternative to Barry doesn't already have plenty of cannon fodder to work with.
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No freaking doubt!!

While I would like to believe what the OP is saying, I tend to think the most logical (and simple) conclusion is that, as a prideful and powerful man, Roberts dreams of his own name in a future history book touting him as the great chief justice who crossed the mother effing aisle and brought the court together to pass the crowning achievement of the first black president of the US. I am sure he is well aware of who writes the text books, the history books,who controls the mainstream media and the liberal media...certainly not us pee on conservatives. Nope. You want accolades,nobel peace prizes and the like, you cater to the left wing bastards. Roberts was only brilliant at seeing THAT truth, so that's exactly what he did. Sold his soul for some personal glory.

It would be cool IF (and that's a big if) Romney gets elected. Then it would be cool IF (and again, that's a big if) Romney repeals it. Frankly,no matter what he says, we must all recall that Mittens seems to be pretty fond of vast, government take overs of health care. I think we're stuck with it and Roberts screwed us.
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It just makes it more apparent , that the two party system is all illusion for the gullible. Both parties are bought and paid for bye the elite. Their major goal is to usher in their New World Order, and to continue to transition the power from the people, to them. Hang on. It's going to be a bumpy ride.
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Maybe he was threatened of martiial law for America if he did not get on board.

Now where have we heard about this happening before?
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You guys getting it yet?
 Quoting: Nyarlathotep75


Yeah believe we 'get it' Fact of the matter is 0bama could care less if this is called a tax or a 'benefit,' Most of his supporters never have paid taxes any way, they have always been benefactors off the tax system.. It's a none issue to them.. the middle class (whats left of it) will be paying these feeders cost for health care. While the ones burdened with the tax will be slowly eliminated. (don't want many noticing at first) or absorbed into the feeder groups. So there's only 2 classes of people left, the rulers and the ruled over. It's always about the money, bottom line = cheaper to kill them than to 'cure' them..

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