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Can Someone explain OBAMACARE? What's the big deal? What's the problem?

 
Krautard
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Can Someone explain OBAMACARE? What's the big deal? What's the problem?
Can someone please nutshell this one
for all the foreign readers, like me.

I don't really get it.

Are there any positive points at all here?

Why is this so bad, what is the problem, exactly?


The budget?
Who is paying for this?
..The employee or the employer?
Whatabout the unemployed?
Is the bad US medical service gonna get worse?
Is it now mandatory? Can you "opt-out"?
Are private med-insurance rates gonna go up in $$$?
Are they gonna try to fix everything now with a pill?
What about vaccines and such? are they now mandatory?

thx.
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Re: Can Someone explain OBAMACARE? What's the big deal? What's the problem?
Can someone please explain in a nutshell
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Sure:

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This is only the beginning, now comes AutoObama INS and then ObamaFlood, etc....
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Can someone please explain in a nutshell
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Sure:

You > sideways < Government
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cruise
Just one any....

The first symptom of stupidity is to think that we already know everything...

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Go back and read some of your own history.. Maybe under Hitler's health care..or HitlerCare, he saved and or earned millions and millions in wealth or extra monies for the motherland..
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Re: Can Someone explain OBAMACARE? What's the big deal? What's the problem?
It means they can force you to buy anything, but not as commerce, as a "tax". It means said tax apparently doesn't have to orginate in the congress as the constitution (what dat?) has previously always required. It also means the govt can penalize any organized religion or group of non religous people for not choosing the acceptable faiths. It basically means that when they decide you are not worth keeping alive they can pull the plug. Somehow it was evil for an insurance company to deny services but okey dokey for teh govt to snuff you. And some people believe it means mandatory immunizations (sending cops after scoffers) and microchipping (making locating easier). In otehrwords the constitution is dead, your freedoms are dead, but have a free lollipop5a
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The gov't doesn't have a good reputation for running anything. That's the first problem.

Lately, nothing here has been "fair". The US citizens have become the second class citizens while illegals and those deemed special are rewarded off of the middle classes backs. So people don't like being used all the time unfairly.

While our courts did right by making sure they know they can't force us to buy something, the fact that it's connected to taxes that makes it legal.

Now, some people are exempt from paying for various reasons, not fair.

If you can't or don't pay since it's tied in with our taxes that is a way to seize money, property and even throw people in jail.

This is nothing like some of the other countries healthcare. This is just a way to funnel our money to whomever they want it funneled to.
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Few things in modern America are more misunderstood and vilified as the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare.) In actuality, many benefits of the program are already changing people’s lives, finances, and ultimate long-term health. Many more benefits will go into effect, incrementally, over the next few years. It’s not the single payer universal plan that would really solve the problems, but it is a far cry from the do-nothing realities of the last several decades that saw health care and affordability erode in our nation.

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There's nothing wrong with Obama care, but there is a lot of dis info out there, mostly by the GOP......
The reason behind the whole thing, including AG Eric Holder, is that the GOP "wants to take back the White House" , in other words, get the black man out , even though he is half-white, and even though he is probably smarter than 10 of them put together , and because he cares more for the low and middle class, and wants millionaires/billionaires to pay the same percentage of tax as we the little people have to pay...
I hope that clears up some of it for you !

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Re: Can Someone explain OBAMACARE? What's the big deal? What's the problem?
The gov't doesn't have a good reputation for running anything. That's the first problem.

Lately, nothing here has been "fair". The US citizens have become the second class citizens while illegals and those deemed special are rewarded off of the middle classes backs. So people don't like being used all the time unfairly.

While our courts did right by making sure they know they can't force us to buy something, the fact that it's connected to taxes that makes it legal.

Now, some people are exempt from paying for various reasons, not fair.

If you can't or don't pay since it's tied in with our taxes that is a way to seize money, property and even throw people in jail.

This is nothing like some of the other countries healthcare. This is just a way to funnel our money to whomever they want it funneled to.
 Quoting: D'Light


"Obamacare" is the REPUBLIKAN free market solution to reforming our broken, expensive mess of a healthcare system.

What is YOUR fucking solution??
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There's nothing wrong with Obama care, but there is a lot of dis info out there, mostly by the GOP......
The reason behind the whole thing, including AG Eric Holder, is that the GOP "wants to take back the White House" , in other words, get the black man out , even though he is half-white, and even though he is probably smarter than 10 of them put together , and because he cares more for the low and middle class, and wants millionaires/billionaires to pay the same percentage of tax as we the little people have to pay...
I hope that clears up some of it for you !

hf abduct
 Quoting: Lindalee


WOW there's a new thought!! It's a RACE Thang!!!
Monkey see monkey do?
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There's nothing wrong with Obama care, but there is a lot of dis info out there, mostly by the GOP......
The reason behind the whole thing, including AG Eric Holder, is that the GOP "wants to take back the White House" , in other words, get the black man out , even though he is half-white, and even though he is probably smarter than 10 of them put together , and because he cares more for the low and middle class, and wants millionaires/billionaires to pay the same percentage of tax as we the little people have to pay...
I hope that clears up some of it for you !

hf abduct
 Quoting: Lindalee


WOW there's a new thought!! It's a RACE Thang!!!
Monkey see monkey do?
 Quoting: ceawaves


It's been about race since the first day he took office, and I think everyone knows that, but doesn't admit it for whatever reason....
I'm a white woman with blue eyes if you were inferring something there

peace abduct
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Re: Can Someone explain OBAMACARE? What's the big deal? What's the problem?
The gov't doesn't have a good reputation for running anything. That's the first problem.

Lately, nothing here has been "fair". The US citizens have become the second class citizens while illegals and those deemed special are rewarded off of the middle classes backs. So people don't like being used all the time unfairly.

While our courts did right by making sure they know they can't force us to buy something, the fact that it's connected to taxes that makes it legal.

Now, some people are exempt from paying for various reasons, not fair.

If you can't or don't pay since it's tied in with our taxes that is a way to seize money, property and even throw people in jail.

This is nothing like some of the other countries healthcare. This is just a way to funnel our money to whomever they want it funneled to.
 Quoting: D'Light


"Obamacare" is the REPUBLIKAN free market solution to reforming our broken, expensive mess of a healthcare system.

What is YOUR fucking solution??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18761345


My solution is far too out there. If insurance didn't exist then cost would be much lower. I hate the way our insurance is right now and I'm covered. I've also had to turn down COBRA before because it was too expensive. Healthcare needs to be re-done. I don't believe penalizing people with the iRS is right. I've brought the whole IRS thing up years ago with healthcare and how terrible that is. People can go to jail over this but no-one will admit it.

PS; stop acting like you know me because it's obvious you haven't read enough of my posts over the years to know where I stand.
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RFID chips for everyone!
"I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire

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Re: Can Someone explain OBAMACARE? What's the big deal? What's the problem?
The gov't doesn't have a good reputation for running anything. That's the first problem.

Lately, nothing here has been "fair". The US citizens have become the second class citizens while illegals and those deemed special are rewarded off of the middle classes backs. So people don't like being used all the time unfairly.

While our courts did right by making sure they know they can't force us to buy something, the fact that it's connected to taxes that makes it legal.

Now, some people are exempt from paying for various reasons, not fair.

If you can't or don't pay since it's tied in with our taxes that is a way to seize money, property and even throw people in jail.

This is nothing like some of the other countries healthcare. This is just a way to funnel our money to whomever they want it funneled to.
 Quoting: D'Light


"Obamacare" is the REPUBLIKAN free market solution to reforming our broken, expensive mess of a healthcare system.

What is YOUR fucking solution??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18761345


My solution is far too out there. If insurance didn't exist then cost would be much lower. I hate the way our insurance is right now and I'm covered. I've also had to turn down COBRA before because it was too expensive. Healthcare needs to be re-done. I don't believe penalizing people with the iRS is right. I've brought the whole IRS thing up years ago with healthcare and how terrible that is. People can go to jail over this but no-one will admit it.

PS; stop acting like you know me because it's obvious you haven't read enough of my posts over the years to know where I stand.
 Quoting: D'Light


You have no fucking solution.

People like you just talk out of their asses.

You want to cut out insurance companies but you're afraid of being called communist, is that it? How would you cut out the insurance companies?
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Re: Can Someone explain OBAMACARE? What's the big deal? What's the problem?
There's nothing wrong with Obama care, but there is a lot of dis info out there, mostly by the GOP......
The reason behind the whole thing, including AG Eric Holder, is that the GOP "wants to take back the White House" , in other words, get the black man out , even though he is half-white, and even though he is probably smarter than 10 of them put together , and because he cares more for the low and middle class, and wants millionaires/billionaires to pay the same percentage of tax as we the little people have to pay...
I hope that clears up some of it for you !

hf abduct
 Quoting: Lindalee


WOW there's a new thought!! It's a RACE Thang!!!
Monkey see monkey do?
 Quoting: ceawaves


It's been about race since the first day he took office, and I think everyone knows that, but doesn't admit it for whatever reason....
I'm a white woman with blue eyes if you were inferring something there

peace abduct
 Quoting: Lindalee


you idiots who say this shit - you NEVER explain how it is the black man that whites are supposedly racist against - how is it that white people elected him in the first place?
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Re: Can Someone explain OBAMACARE? What's the big deal? What's the problem?
The gov't doesn't have a good reputation for running anything. That's the first problem.

Lately, nothing here has been "fair". The US citizens have become the second class citizens while illegals and those deemed special are rewarded off of the middle classes backs. So people don't like being used all the time unfairly.

While our courts did right by making sure they know they can't force us to buy something, the fact that it's connected to taxes that makes it legal.

Now, some people are exempt from paying for various reasons, not fair.

If you can't or don't pay since it's tied in with our taxes that is a way to seize money, property and even throw people in jail.

This is nothing like some of the other countries healthcare. This is just a way to funnel our money to whomever they want it funneled to.
 Quoting: D'Light


"Obamacare" is the REPUBLIKAN free market solution to reforming our broken, expensive mess of a healthcare system.

What is YOUR fucking solution??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18761345


My solution is far too out there. If insurance didn't exist then cost would be much lower. I hate the way our insurance is right now and I'm covered. I've also had to turn down COBRA before because it was too expensive. Healthcare needs to be re-done. I don't believe penalizing people with the iRS is right. I've brought the whole IRS thing up years ago with healthcare and how terrible that is. People can go to jail over this but no-one will admit it.

PS; stop acting like you know me because it's obvious you haven't read enough of my posts over the years to know where I stand.
 Quoting: D'Light


You have no fucking solution.

People like you just talk out of their asses.

You want to cut out insurance companies but you're afraid of being called communist, is that it? How would you cut out the insurance companies?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18761345


Are you 15?

Regular wage earners in Costa Rica can get a broken leg fixed without insurance and without losing their home or filing bankruptcy and it's not because they are rich and not because they are communist.

Now, because of your rude behavior, I'll let you look it up on the net yourself if you want to know anymore about it.
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RFID chips for everyone!
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as if.
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Re: Can Someone explain OBAMACARE? What's the big deal? What's the problem?
There's nothing wrong with Obama care, but there is a lot of dis info out there, mostly by the GOP......
The reason behind the whole thing, including AG Eric Holder, is that the GOP "wants to take back the White House" , in other words, get the black man out , even though he is half-white, and even though he is probably smarter than 10 of them put together , and because he cares more for the low and middle class, and wants millionaires/billionaires to pay the same percentage of tax as we the little people have to pay...
I hope that clears up some of it for you !

hf abduct
 Quoting: Lindalee


WOW there's a new thought!! It's a RACE Thang!!!
Monkey see monkey do?
 Quoting: ceawaves


It's been about race since the first day he took office, and I think everyone knows that, but doesn't admit it for whatever reason....
I'm a white woman with blue eyes if you were inferring something there

peace abduct
 Quoting: Lindalee



well it's not called the White House for nothing you know.
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thanks everyone, but I'm more confused now,
...mmmmm, I'll keep doing research on it.

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Here we have a form of socialized obligatory medcare, not too bad I keep hearing, several companies offer the insurance and you can chose your own doctor and stuff, also the head of the family pays for it and the rest of the family (dependents) gets automatic coverage, I never go to the doc myself, i'm never sick so I dont know but I jusr hear good things about the system aand overall care... the employer usually pays, you can also pay it privately (i.e. freelancers), if unemployed the gov pays till you have a job again.
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Re: Can Someone explain OBAMACARE? What's the big deal? What's the problem?
In simple terms.. By allowing Obamacare to pass, The Government can tell you 100% what to do at any time and any place from birth to death. You are not free to do what you want anymore, unless a Government worker tells you it is ok.

What we had as a middle class is now 100% assured to be destroyed because they will be 'taxed' to death with nothing left to survive on so they will have to turn to the Govt for help. This is class-warfare 100% and will send anyones money to someone else the Govt deems worthy to get it.

If you do not understand this, then maybe this will get you..

SIEG HEIL!!

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The absolute biggest part is losing sovereignty to one's own body. It's a fear, a legitimate one.
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I don't get it either. It's going to help those most in need, and those in need are the most against it (the poor, uneducated folks.) I think they've been brainwashed into thinking it's bad. They WILL take advantage of it when they need it tho.
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In simple terms.. By allowing Obamacare to pass, The Government can tell you 100% what to do at any time and any place from birth to death. You are not free to do what you want anymore, unless a Government worker tells you it is ok.

What we had as a middle class is now 100% assured to be destroyed because they will be 'taxed' to death with nothing left to survive on so they will have to turn to the Govt for help. This is class-warfare 100% and will send anyones money to someone else the Govt deems worthy to get it.

If you do not understand this, then maybe this will get you..

SIEG HEIL!!

hitler wacko
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as if you had any freedom to begin with.
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I am slowly understanding the REAL issues here, the healthcare itself is just the excuse for the total control of people's lives, bodies and minds and that of their children.

Sure, it may seem like a good idea at first "healthcare for all" but at the end it's surely a trap, it always is.
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I am slowly understanding the REAL issues here, the healthcare itself is just the excuse for the total control of people's lives, bodies and minds and that of their children.

Sure, it may seem like a good idea at first "healthcare for all" but at the end it's surely a trap, it always is.
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It is an ideological battle between people who think for themselves and people who need someone to think for them.
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There's nothing wrong with Obama care, but there is a lot of dis info out there, mostly by the GOP......
The reason behind the whole thing, including AG Eric Holder, is that the GOP "wants to take back the White House" , in other words, get the black man out , even though he is half-white, and even though he is probably smarter than 10 of them put together , and because he cares more for the low and middle class, and wants millionaires/billionaires to pay the same percentage of tax as we the little people have to pay...
I hope that clears up some of it for you !

hf abduct
 Quoting: Lindalee


WOW there's a new thought!! It's a RACE Thang!!!
Monkey see monkey do?
 Quoting: ceawaves


It's been about race since the first day he took office, and I think everyone knows that, but doesn't admit it for whatever reason....
I'm a white woman with blue eyes if you were inferring something there

peace abduct
 Quoting: Lindalee


Your husband/boyfriend is black isnt he.
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when the bill comes...just throw it in the trash, like all other bills.
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It does nothing to address the real root of the problem which is runaway healthcare costs. This will only fuel the fire.
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Obama is Hilter...

All about power and control over people.

The killing part is not there... yet. "Liberals" are actually into eugenic...
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I am slowly understanding the REAL issues here, the healthcare itself is just the excuse for the total control of people's lives, bodies and minds and that of their children.

Sure, it may seem like a good idea at first "healthcare for all" but at the end it's surely a trap, it always is.
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Yup.

Road to hell is paved with faux good intentions.
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