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Universe is 6000 years old•

 
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I saw those Kent Hovind videos. An evolutionist and homeschool Mom I was attempting to present both sides of this issue fairly so that my children could understand and defend what they believed and why they believed what they did with objective rational data.

In a million years I never expected my own beliefs to be challenged.

Then again.. there WAS no million years.

This earth is six thousand years old.

I thank the Lord for the way in which he used Kent Hovind to show me the Truth of Creation.
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sighs...
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Soo.. are you saying the speed of light is not constant?
Can you please explain your theroy on this.

I ask because by your logic we would only be able to see stars and galaxies that are less than 6000 light years away.

so how do you explain the fact we can see stars that are more than 6000 light years away???
 Quoting: Doommincus Maximus


We were not there to see the starlight form. It has been there from the beginning which we are told in the Bible God made. He made Adam and Eve and all the rest fully adult and functional. The starlight would have been visible on the fourth day. Then, we look for other evidences to date this event, which the supernova provides.

Shouldn't rest an entire life's philosophy on starlight when other evidences completely discredit the 'big bang' theories, and the origins of the modern 'big bang' comes from the Jesuits.

• Exploding the Big Bang
[link to creation.com]

There are other write-ups on the problems with 'big bang' but he does pretty good.
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for simple minded definitions of `pretty good'

imho- you are a prime example of the failure of the us based capitalistic society in general...
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Soo.. are you saying the speed of light is not constant?
Can you please explain your theroy on this.

I ask because by your logic we would only be able to see stars and galaxies that are less than 6000 light years away.

so how do you explain the fact we can see stars that are more than 6000 light years away???
 Quoting: Doommincus Maximus


We were not there to see the starlight form. It has been there from the beginning which we are told in the Bible God made. He made Adam and Eve and all the rest fully adult and functional. The starlight would have been visible on the fourth day. Then, we look for other evidences to date this event, which the supernova provides.

Shouldn't rest an entire life's philosophy on starlight when other evidences completely discredit the 'big bang' theories, and the origins of the modern 'big bang' comes from the Jesuits.

• Exploding the Big Bang
[link to creation.com]

There are other write-ups on the problems with 'big bang' but he does pretty good.
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If the Universe is only 6000 years old how could the starlight greater than 6000 light years away be there since the beginning???

PS: God did not write the bible, man did
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How come as the years go by you guys still keep the age stuck at 6000 years old?

10 years ago it was 6000 years old,
20, 30 years ago it was 6000 years old,
50 years ago it was 6000 years old
and on and on....tomato
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All this millions and billions of years business since Darwin is just the recycled old pagan religion from you know who.
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This is just fucking stupid.
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actually its just about 7000 years old.. i was there in the beginning so i know..
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I highly doubt you've read any books on the subjects you're trying to speak about, much less the bible. Your spelling is atrocious. I'm pretty sure you're 14.

Actually, the unicorn was a type of bovine ...
 Quoting: Bible answer man 18740494

Evidence please.


the dinos did make it onto the Ark. There are drawings of them all over the planet, not possible if they lived millions of years before man.
 Quoting: Bible answer man 18740494

Evidence please.


... and then there are the Loch Ness type creatures.
 Quoting: Bible answer man 18740494

Evidence please.
And evidence please that they are dinosaurs.


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 Quoting: Hydra


You are from Germany? Did your parents escape across the east German soviet wall? What part of the Soviet Union were they originally from? The USSR has been indoctrinating with the pagan beliefs for 100 years.

You are welcome to research the readily available unicorn bovine info all across Google, the Bible does not include the mythical unicorn horse from children's TV.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Dino is a modern word. Before the word they were called many different things including dragon. You will find the dragon in early dictionaries as a real "rare creature". This is why it is still found on the Chinese calender along with 11 other real animals.

There are also carvings of the dino on some ancient temples

[link to www.google.com]

Some believe the Nessie creature is a dino. I'm not here to prove this feel free to look into their theories about the illusive creature.

This thread is about God creating the entire universe just 6kbp.
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God made the universe as it says in the Bible then came to earth as the man, Jesus. This is the history of earth.

But, can we date the event with empirical observations?

Yes - the number of supernovas are known and observed to be 274. The number is consistent with a 6000 years old universe.
 Quoting: Bible answer man 18740494



This is "the best" argument ever. Dude...

I'll give you a better one: the Evolution is false because it contradicts to the Bible; the Bible is true because it says so - right?

*
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According to astronomical observations, galaxies like our own experience about one supernova (a violently-exploding star) every 25 years. The gas and dust remnants from such explosions (like the Crab Nebula) expand outward rapidly and should remain visible for over a million years. Yet the nearby parts of our galaxy in which we could observe such gas and dust shells contain only 274 supernova remnants. That number is consistent with only about 7,000 years worth of supernovas.

According to their [Astronomers] model, the SNR should reach a diameter of about 300 light years after 120,000 years. So if our galaxy was billions of years old, we should be able to observe many SNRs this size. But if our galaxy is 6,000-10,000 years old, no SNRs would have had time to reach this size. So the number of observed SNRs of a particular size is an excellent test of whether the galaxy is old or young. In fact, the results are consistent with a universe thousands of years old, but are a puzzle if the universe has existed for billions of years.

[link to creation.com]
[link to www.mrao.cam.ac.uk]
 Quoting: BAM 18740494


1. The 25 years theory is actually 50 years.

2. You also fail to point out the records held are for the small part of our galaxy that we can observe. The parts we cant observe are around 25 times bigger.

3. There is also the problem of SNR fading so there is a huge number of them that were never recorded.

4. Finally you have to take into account the quickest time between a Star forming and going supernova.
 Quoting: SheldonCooper


1) Actually not many have went off since 1600. That was an estimate based on past observations. Most went off in a short period of time - following creation just 6000 years ago.

2) We can use part of the galaxy as the clock. The rest of the galaxy would only see many going nova at the same time not cumulative 25 to 50 years

3) No SNRs have been observed fading. That is your incorrect theory based on supposed bazzillions of fictional never-wuz years. In fact the as the link shows the SNR remnants are of a particular size only found in a biblical age, not billions of years.

4) No stars have ever been observed forming. They were all created by God 6000 years ago. Some are obstructed behind star clusters (oort clouds) becoming visible the theorists like to claim is a star being born. All galaxies, too, were set in motion at the same time as well meaning the entire universe is the same age as this galaxy.

This is further confirmed right here on earth - that there was nooo 'big bang' - by earth's base rock granites. The big bangists claim earth cooled down over millllions of years. Yet the granites are not igneous. Granite cannot be heated to a molten state and remain granite. Granite cannot be produced in a lab, even as many other minerals can, even something close to diamond.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Anywho, the SNRs stand to calculate as an observed clock. There is no explaining it away. Same goes for the observed erosion rates of the continents disprove the old ages given there. The info is only CENSORED from the MSM & textbooks by paid liars with an agenda. I suppose you believe everything a paid lawyer says, too?
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How come as the years go by you guys still keep the age stuck at 6000 years old?

10 years ago it was 6000 years old,
20, 30 years ago it was 6000 years old,
50 years ago it was 6000 years old
and on and on....tomato
 Quoting: Tuff~Kooky


The Bible doesn't change?

All is within the biblical age not the darwinian model.

6000 years will be 2000 years from the crucifixion in 2031, IMO.
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Soo.. are you saying the speed of light is not constant?
Can you please explain your theroy on this.

I ask because by your logic we would only be able to see stars and galaxies that are less than 6000 light years away.

so how do you explain the fact we can see stars that are more than 6000 light years away???
 Quoting: Doommincus Maximus


We were not there to see the starlight form. It has been there from the beginning which we are told in the Bible God made. He made Adam and Eve and all the rest fully adult and functional. The starlight would have been visible on the fourth day. Then, we look for other evidences to date this event, which the supernova provides.

Shouldn't rest an entire life's philosophy on starlight when other evidences completely discredit the 'big bang' theories, and the origins of the modern 'big bang' comes from the Jesuits.

• Exploding the Big Bang
[link to creation.com]

There are other write-ups on the problems with 'big bang' but he does pretty good.
 Quoting: BAM 18740494



If the Universe is only 6000 years old how could the starlight greater than 6000 light years away be there since the beginning???

PS: God did not write the bible, man did
 Quoting: Doommincus Maximus


You were just answered as to the biblical origins of starlight. Maybe read it again.

Much of the Bible comes to us by way of the angels-messengers who give prophecies and wisdom to God's prophets, while the book of Genesis in particular comes to us by firsthand witness accounts who end each section with "...this was my generation" with God himself writing the first chapter since only he could know, followed by Adam (Wiseman Hypothesis) passed down compiled by Moses into the book of Genesis.
[link to www.rae.org]
[link to www.trueorigin.org]
[link to www.dtl.org]
[link to www.specialtyinterests.net]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]
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I highly doubt you've read any books on the subjects you're trying to speak about, much less the bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1538996

No other arguments than this?


Your spelling is atrocious. I'm pretty sure you're 14.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1538996

Rule No. 7 from the book "How To Defeat Evolutionists": If you are short of arguments, go into insulting.


I'm pretty sure you're 14.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1538996

Fail.


Your spelling is atrocious.
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If your German is only half as good as my English, I would be pleased to continue the conversation German.
You are welcome.



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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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All this millions and billions of years business since Darwin is just the recycled old pagan religion from you know who.
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sir, you need a shrink. what u have is a psychosis
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All this millions and billions of years business since Darwin is just the recycled old pagan religion from you know who.
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sir, you need a shrink. what u have is a psychosis
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no, unfortunately what he has is an average american education

so sadly he is as smart as most of them ever get....



pretty sad isnt it

dumb and dumber...
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Re: Universe is 6000 years old•
Useless information.

Dinosaurs bones is in it millionth years old.

+1 for trying.
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Wow.. OP, you have to be the biggest retard ever.. whats it like to be a brain washed troll and a half-wit all at the sametime?
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Wow.. OP, you have to be the biggest retard ever.. whats it like to be a brain washed troll and a half-wit all at the sametime?
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QUOTED FOR POSTERITY....


lol


welcome to the thinking people's life...

dumb and dumber....
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The creationists have three knockout arguments, a non-scientis can hardly defeat:

1. Radioactive decay is not constant - in the beginning it was much faster and since then slowed down.
Thus the radio carbon technique is not accurate and gives a much greater time than it is in reality.

2. The speed of light is not constant - in also was much faster in the beginning and is slowing down since then.
Thus distances given by astronomers are not accurate and gives a much greater distance than it is in reality.

3. You can not prove us (the creationists) wrong, since this part of science is to young to prove us wrong.




Nevertheless, since these constants were determined decades ago there is no deviation - even not in the nanosecond range.


I am surprised, that OP didn't gave this arguments and hangs on to some abstruse ideas like "granites are not igneous".
Seems he didn't read the book "Creationism for the Dumb".



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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
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The creationists have three knockout arguments, a non-scientis can hardly defeat:

1. Radioactive decay is not constant - in the beginning it was much faster and since then slowed down.
Thus the radio carbon technique is not accurate and gives a much greater time than it is in reality.

2. The speed of light is not constant - in also was much faster in the beginning and is slowing down since then.
Thus distances given by astronomers are not accurate and gives a much greater distance than it is in reality.

3. You can not prove us (the creationists) wrong, since this part of science is to young to prove us wrong.




Nevertheless, since these constants were determined decades ago there is no deviation - even not in the nanosecond range.


I am surprised, that OP didn't gave this arguments and hangs on to some abstruse ideas like "granites are not igneous".
Seems he didn't read the book "Creationism for the Dumb".



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 Quoting: Hydra


I assume that he didn't read "Creationism for the Dumb", mostly because so far he hasn't actually shown enough intelligence to show he can actually read....

(and I love part 3..)

my pet unicorn I keep in the backyard is my favourite pet

`They' don't believe I have one??


It's true until 3. You can not prove us (the creationists) wrong, since this part of science is to young to prove us wrong.

I only got him yesterday- but I say I have one...

by their own arguments, I have a pet unicorn in the back yard..


Are you saying the creationists are wrong???
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Soo.. are you saying the speed of light is not constant?
Can you please explain your theroy on this.

I ask because by your logic we would only be able to see stars and galaxies that are less than 6000 light years away.

so how do you explain the fact we can see stars that are more than 6000 light years away???
 Quoting: Doommincus Maximus


We were not there to see the starlight form. It has been there from the beginning which we are told in the Bible God made. He made Adam and Eve and all the rest fully adult and functional. The starlight would have been visible on the fourth day. Then, we look for other evidences to date this event, which the supernova provides.

Shouldn't rest an entire life's philosophy on starlight when other evidences completely discredit the 'big bang' theories, and the origins of the modern 'big bang' comes from the Jesuits.

• Exploding the Big Bang
[link to creation.com]

There are other write-ups on the problems with 'big bang' but he does pretty good.
 Quoting: BAM 18740494


Ignorance continues to abound here. The bible is NOt a reliable source about cosmology, it is seriously seriously lacking. I am millions of years old already. You do not understand the evolution of soul. Michael of Nebadon, who was "jesus" was created almost 2 trillion years ago and moved into our local universe, 300 billion years ago, and our universe was well into its creation then. There are 700,000 universes and counting. The creation is NOT 6000 years old.
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Ignorance continues to abound here.
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yes it does

look at your posts for example

like the new name change since the last time I had the displeasure of noticing your posts candyarse...
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If the Universe is only 6000 years old how could the starlight greater than 6000 light years away be there since the beginning???

PS: God did not write the bible, man did
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We have pictures of shit nearly 14 billion years old. WE HAVE PICTURES.

And how did Noah fit all that shit on his arc when a Nimitz class aircraft carrier wouldn't hold the world's insect population alone?
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LOL.

We are in the 21st century. Please...
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[link to www.youtube.com]

Here you go....pretty simple explanation of why the earth can not be billions of years.

This is my best argument and one that scientist can not dispute and have no explanation for. Please understand that for the evolutionist we only need to disprove one of their theories to disprove their entire body of work. In other words think of it like this. You have a rock, an old bone, and a sandwich on the table. All 3 are the same age. A reasonable person would simply look at the sandwich and its state of decay in order to determine how long the items have been sitting on the table. We could say the rock and bone are millions of years old, but it is hard to dispute the age of the sandwich.

Carbon-14 in the Atmosphere:
Carbon-14 is produced when radiation from the sun strikes Nitrogen-14 atoms in the earth's upper atmosphere. The earth's atmosphere is not yet saturated with C14. This means that the amount of C14 being produced is greater than the amount that is decaying back to N14. It is estimated that a state of equilibrium would be reached in as little as 30,000 years. Thus, it appears that the earth's atmosphere is less than 30,000 years old. In fact, the evidence suggests it is less than 10,000 years old. 73,74,75 Some of these estimates place the atmosphere's age at 50,000 years, and others at 100,000 but they each pose serious problems for old-earth scenarios.

Link Below:


[link to www.independencebaptist.org]


Scientific Clock... Showing the max time that an entity can exist.


[link to www.earthage.org]
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Why do we think that a 6000 year old earth is so funny...

You have been brainwashed and indoctrinated to think else-wise since you were a baby. The first book about dinosaurs you read probably started with the words, "billions of years ago". Just another way the ruling elite will attempt to destroy all religion..

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The creationists have three knockout arguments, a non-scientis can hardly defeat:

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Let me give the gist of a discussion I had some time ago with a creationist (it's an endangered species in Germany, but yes we have some - I'm not shure, if we should protect them as a negative example or not).

During the discussion we came to the point, that the Moon is receding from Earth some inches every year.

CR "No it don't - Exactly this is the confirmation, that the speed of light is slowing down."

Me "If the speed of light is slowing down, why doesn't it take longer to send and receive signals from the Mars rovers?"

CR "Mars is coming closer."

Me "Thus the orbital periode of Mars must be shorter - but astronomers can't confirm this."

CR "Not true - the gravitational constant isn't a constant, it is changing."

Me "So one day we all will hover above Earth, because there is no more gravitation. And what's about the atmosphere?"



CR "God will prevent this."




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I am an anthropology grad student. I'm a scientist in training you might say. A scientist learns early in their studies that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Do not think for a second that if there was substantial solid evidence that evolution was wrong that scientists wouldn't be all over it. Every scientist deep down would love for their name to forever be attached to something that overturns everything.

A single piece of out of place evidence cannot overturn a thousand pieces of well documented and falsified experiments and observations.

This is why scientists sometimes laugh at this CRAP, and other times quietly bemoan the state of humanity when confronted by you creationist "theory" people.

Oh yeah, ideas aren't theories. There is no creation theory. There is creation hypothesis and evolution theory. There is a very big difference.
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All this millions and billions of years business since Darwin is just the recycled old pagan religion from you know who.
 Quoting: Bible answer man 18740494


All you retards know is "Darwin"

then you Throw in "Pagan" to sound like it means somthing..

why do you even try...putin
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I am an anthropology grad student. I'm a scientist in training you might say. A scientist learns early in their studies that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Do not think for a second that if there was substantial solid evidence that evolution was wrong that scientists wouldn't be all over it. Every scientist deep down would love for their name to forever be attached to something that overturns everything.

A single piece of out of place evidence cannot overturn a thousand pieces of well documented and falsified experiments and observations.

This is why scientists sometimes laugh at this CRAP, and other times quietly bemoan the state of humanity when confronted by you creationist "theory" people.

Oh yeah, ideas aren't theories. There is no creation theory. There is creation hypothesis and evolution theory. There is a very big difference.
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You simply never look at our side of the argument. Please read the following arguments:

[link to www.earthage.org] in the Atmosphere:

--PS... Evolution is a hypothesis. It has not been proven. There are many animals and plants in nature that could not have evolved.
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