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How could God have died for you when he is allegedly Omnipotent and Immortal?

 
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in the beginning was the Word
and the Word was with God
and the Word was God.

through illuminated eyes that only the God's Holy Spirit can grant, the above says everything. Trying to understand and know God without ASKING HIM is a dead end. Have a nice day.
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So Jesus said "I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me"

John 8:28
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Did you have a point or are you just quoting scripture now?
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Do people still believe this shit? What year is this 1370? Ponderous.
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So Jesus said "I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me"

John 8:28
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Did you have a point or are you just quoting scripture now?
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The point is you said Jesus is God an can do what he wants but jesus seem to disaggree with you.

And yes im just quoting.
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Let me explain the hypostatic union of Jesus Christ. Jesus was 100% fully man and 100% fully God.

God manifested himself many ways in human history (as recorded in the old testament). He appeared to Moses in a burning bush, he manifested himself in a still small voice, etc. In these last days He manifested Himself in a human body. In doing so He did not lay aside the possession of diety or the expression of all of those attributes any more than He did when He appeared in a burning bush.

God "the Father" is greater than the human body just as God "the Father" is greater than the burning bush. Doesn't mean that's not God manifesting Himself in the burning bush but there is a lot more to Him than that. The bible says that in Jesus dwells all the Godhead bodily.

If you want to know all about God just look to Jesus.

Jesus clearly claimed to be the God of the Old Testament and was worshipped as such. Rightly so.
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in the beginning was the Word
and the Word was with God
and the Word was God.

through illuminated eyes that only the God's Holy Spirit can grant, the above says everything. Trying to understand and know God without ASKING HIM is a dead end. Have a nice day.
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The Word, Jesus, was WITH God. That means they are two separate individuals. They are father and son. who are WITH each other. They are not one person. There is no trinity. That is a pagan belief.
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Do people still believe this shit? What year is this 1370? Ponderous.
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What is ponderous is that people go through life with no basis for what they believe.

The bible is the most comprehensive, thorough, logical, specific, and reliable text in the history of man. Nothing compares to it.
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in the beginning was the Word
and the Word was with God
and the Word was God.

through illuminated eyes that only the God's Holy Spirit can grant, the above says everything. Trying to understand and know God without ASKING HIM is a dead end. Have a nice day.
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The Word, Jesus, was WITH God. That means they are two separate individuals. They are father and son. who are WITH each other. They are not one person. There is no trinity. That is a pagan belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


Who told you it was a pagan belief? The same people that told you the bible isn't true? Convenient!

The trinity is that the Godhead is Co-equal and Co-eternal. Three functions in one divine essence.
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How could God have died for you when he is allegedly Omnipotent and Immortal?

How could God Not?
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7. The Christian Religion

A Creator Son did not incarnate in the likeness of mortal flesh and bestow himself upon the humanity of Urantia to reconcile an angry God but rather to win all mankind to the recognition of the Father’s love and to the realization of their sonship with God.

After all, even the great advocate of the atonement doctrine realized something of this truth, for he declared that “God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself.”

[link to www.urantia.org]

Those who seek God seek everything, those who find God find everything.
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You are all fucked. It is Jesus is SON who died.
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NO! It is the Christians who are F'd up, because they mostly all believe that Jesus is God.
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in the beginning was the Word
and the Word was with God
and the Word was God.

through illuminated eyes that only the God's Holy Spirit can grant, the above says everything. Trying to understand and know God without ASKING HIM is a dead end. Have a nice day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1044117


The Word, Jesus, was WITH God. That means they are two separate individuals. They are father and son. who are WITH each other. They are not one person. There is no trinity. That is a pagan belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


Who told you it was a pagan belief? The same people that told you the bible isn't true? Convenient!

The trinity is that the Godhead is Co-equal and Co-eternal. Three functions in one divine essence.
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Do some research on the Council of Nicaea. And then the Catholic Church. You will see where the trinity, which is pagan, started. Oh, and the Bible is true. The trinity isn't. Jesus is God's son. Jesus is not his own dad.
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in the beginning was the Word
and the Word was with God
and the Word was God.

through illuminated eyes that only the God's Holy Spirit can grant, the above says everything. Trying to understand and know God without ASKING HIM is a dead end. Have a nice day.
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nice try.

and the Word was A god ...
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You are all fucked. It is Jesus is SON who died.
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NO! It is the Christians who are F'd up, because they mostly all believe that Jesus is God.
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Not all Christians believe in the pagan trinity. Some actually believe what the Bible says. That Jesus is God's son.
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in the beginning was the Word
and the Word was with God
and the Word was God.

through illuminated eyes that only the God's Holy Spirit can grant, the above says everything. Trying to understand and know God without ASKING HIM is a dead end. Have a nice day.
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nice try.

and the Word was A god ...
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Yes, it is impossible for Jesus to be with God and then to be God.
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How could God have died for you when he is allegedly Omnipotent and Immortal?

How could God Not?
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True, Almighty God is dynamic energy. And we all should know that energy cannot die. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. It is impossible for the Creator of All to die. But His son can die. And he, Jesus, did die.
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in the beginning was the Word
and the Word was with God
and the Word was God.

through illuminated eyes that only the God's Holy Spirit can grant, the above says everything. Trying to understand and know God without ASKING HIM is a dead end. Have a nice day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1044117


The Word, Jesus, was WITH God. That means they are two separate individuals. They are father and son. who are WITH each other. They are not one person. There is no trinity. That is a pagan belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


Who told you it was a pagan belief? The same people that told you the bible isn't true? Convenient!

The trinity is that the Godhead is Co-equal and Co-eternal. Three functions in one divine essence.
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BTW, Jesus says his Father is greater than him. With that one statement equality is not possible. So no trinity.
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I never die, my words live forever.
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in the beginning was the Word
and the Word was with God
and the Word was God.

through illuminated eyes that only the God's Holy Spirit can grant, the above says everything. Trying to understand and know God without ASKING HIM is a dead end. Have a nice day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1044117


The Word, Jesus, was WITH God. That means they are two separate individuals. They are father and son. who are WITH each other. They are not one person. There is no trinity. That is a pagan belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


Who told you it was a pagan belief? The same people that told you the bible isn't true? Convenient!

The trinity is that the Godhead is Co-equal and Co-eternal. Three functions in one divine essence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1301861


BTW, Jesus says his Father is greater than him. With that one statement equality is not possible. So no trinity.
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Forgot to add that co-eternal is out. It says in the beginning was Jesus. That means Jesus had a beginning. Almighty God never had a beginning. He always was. They have not always been together because God created Jesus. Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. And that of course also does not make them co-equal. Jesus will never be the same as his Father.
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K so what we want to be aware of before going into this, is the original Greek phrase which was translated to mean "In the Beginning" also has a second meaning, the intended meaning, which would read more like "In the Authority"

Having said that, Yes we can find several "wrong turns" in interpretation, not least of which is, "My Father in Heaven says ..." But even at that. Ultimately Death on the cross is thought to be a payment of some sort for out sins? Freak.

Death on the Cross DID bring life when overcoming Death. Our death occurred when we accepted the 3 Part man eons before Christ. He came to dispel that rumor and allow us to be whole again.
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Son of God does not mean God.
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Yeh, so much for OP reading the Bible...TWICE!! It's astroligical allagory combined with Roman(Babylonian)religious beliefs i.e. Sun/Saturn worship.
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His body, or vessel if you will, died.

The spirit lived on as will yours.

Where your spirit will dwell... well that is up to everyone to make their own decision.
War, War never changes...
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Puerile beyond belief.
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His body, or vessel if you will, died.

The spirit lived on as will yours.

Where your spirit will dwell... well that is up to everyone to make their own decision.
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So he did NOT pay the penalty for sin cause I thought the penalty for sin was to be burnt alive in screaming agony forewver?

Is Jesus screaming in agony on OUR BEHALF IN HELL??

NO..so DEATH is the penal;ty..NOT TORTURE.
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I see a lot of stupidity, ignorance and lack of wisdom in peoples interpretation of Jesus Christ.

Firstly, find I this ridiculous:

People say that Jesus Christ died and washed away their sins. So they are saved. While this is true in a different sense, people misunderstand for the sake of their own rotten selfishness.

If this was the case, God would have to send his Son on a yearly, monthly , heck maybe on a daily basis. Because this, idiot, foolish humanity continues to SIN! They are incapable of not sinning. So if people are continuing to sin, how could they be so happy that their sin has been washed away by the death of Jesus. This would mean, that over 2000 years have passed on we need more washing, because a lot of sin has taken place AFTER His death. Probably more than before. Well the idiot humans now wanted more of the Lamb's blood probably for their own rotten sin. Well send more lambs for them then...they think.

It would be like, Jesus comes to earth and dies, and people just keep sinning, so he has to go back and die again. Yet people say they love Jesus. What abhorrent, wretched and disgusting humanity we all are. What hypocrites.

Ah, we sinned again cries the multitudes. Throw in the lamb and let him die for our sins again. This is humanity.

Secondly, I disagree with some of the statements here.

People talk as if God is human. He is not human. Your comprehension can not grasp God.

Just because the Bible has been adulterated by profane people does not mean God is evil. And also, it is not easy to understand the Bible. Most people misunderstand it.

Thirdly, there seems to be this ongoing belief, that all religions are fake. This isn't entirely true. Just because the Roman Catholic Church intervened, doesn't mean everything about it was a lie. Some people like to think of themselves as smart, and think that they have all figured it out, and that they won't be fooled.

Listen to me. The Roman Catholic church were the ones who wanted Jesus dead in the first place. When they saw the influence that Christianity held, they adopted it, and sat on a throne. They adulterated and modified the Bible. They probably never cared much for it anyway. But they knew the people cared for it, and that was what mattered. Now if you then begin to think everything that Jesus did, or that Jesus himself is a lie or a deception, then its more likely that you've adopted a belief that the Roman Catholic Church wants you to adopt. Don't think yourself as smart. You just do not know the truth.
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Dude you're thinking with the restraints of a human brain. Think outside the box. If some being can create everything you see around us and everything you don't do you not think out "human death" would be a pretty easy feat to pull off. This being created life and death, I'm pretty sure he'd be able to manipulate it.

That's the problem with both the bible thumpers and atheists, you're both small minded idiots.
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Dude you're thinking with the restraints of a human brain. Think outside the box. If some being can create everything you see around us and everything you don't do you not think out "human death" would be a pretty easy feat to pull off. This being created life and death, I'm pretty sure he'd be able to manipulate it.

That's the problem with both the bible thumpers and atheists, you're both small minded idiots.
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RIGHT ON!!!rockon
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Son of God does not mean God.
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Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”


John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the jewish people took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The jewish people answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.
 Quoting: XSlyOneX



Jesus wasn't speaking in Isaiah obviously ...

You've never heard of the saying, like father like son? When I read that text I understand it to mean that Jesus is sooooo close with his Father that he is JUST LIKE HIM in every way so that when one witnessed Jesus' teachings and mannerisms, it would be just like seeing God. Jesus was "the IMAGE if the invisible God" Colossions 1:15
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hf
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So Jesus said "I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me"

John 8:28
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Did you have a point or are you just quoting scripture now?
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and the point is ...jesus is the (son) of g
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Good point.

Most are willing to believe whatever they are told with little examination. And most dogmatic religions are thoroughly imbued with numerous contradictions with no apparent rhyme or reason. The controllers bank on that, and keeping followers trapped in a mental quagmire.
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Don't worry about it.
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Thanks. I think I'll do just that.





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