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Who was the voice of the car . . . In "My Mother the Car ". . and who was the male lead?grinning
 Quoting: George B


That pleasant rain turned into thunder and I had to turn off the modem..horrors.

I need to watch more television. Was that a B rate movie?

Who will be President?
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Obama will be the last president.

Who will be President?
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Obama will be President for the next four years.
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I have a twin!! :)
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I think it was lower than a B rating . . .Ann Southern & Jerry Van Dyke I think . . .

Why do you think O will be the last President?
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The votes have already been counted! 5a
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I think it was lower than a B rating . . .Ann Southern & Jerry Van Dyke I think . . .

Why do you think O will be the last President?
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For decades I've observed how the Republicans and Democrats work together in unison towards certain projects (war, removing of rights within the US etc). Each pulls as far as they can go without upsetting public opinion TOO much, and then control is handed over to the other one who completes the job (even though the platform they ran on is invariably a claim that when elected they will stop the job, not complete it). The public allows this because they get caught up in the "he's your president you voted for so of course he's pushing forward death" or "He's my president I voted for so I'll excuse this one thing, because there must have been some reason I voted for him.."

This slow sawing back and forth has been going on for years and years with seamless teamwork between the parties. It reminds me of the lumberjacks of old times, each holding one side of a two handled saw and they slowly work together to saw down a tree. If one gets the blade caught, the other pulls it through. But it's not a tree they're sawing at this time, it's something more vital than just one tree.

This last push...named Obama... this isn't them continuing to saw for eternity. It's the nudge that knocks down the tree. It's already ready to fall, there's so little left supporting it, only the bark and a few threads of wood remain intact at the base.

How do I know?
It's simple. He can get away with anything. The position he is in as the first non-white president..it doesn't make him the same tool as all the others. They were a saw, he's the axe. There is nothing he cannot do. There is no "Oh you can't push that through until a Republican gets into office". It's smooth sailing for the party behind the curtain, they don't need to saw any more.

Timber....
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The votes have already been counted! 5a
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Lol. Probably that too.
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I think it was lower than a B rating . . .Ann Southern & Jerry Van Dyke I think . . .

Why do you think O will be the last President?
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For decades I've observed how the Republicans and Democrats work together in unison towards certain projects (war, removing of rights within the US etc). Each pulls as far as they can go without upsetting public opinion TOO much, and then control is handed over to the other one who completes the job (even though the platform they ran on is invariably a claim that when elected they will stop the job, not complete it). The public allows this because they get caught up in the "he's your president you voted for so of course he's pushing forward death" or "He's my president I voted for so I'll excuse this one thing, because there must have been some reason I voted for him.."

This slow sawing back and forth has been going on for years and years with seamless teamwork between the parties. It reminds me of the lumberjacks of old times, each holding one side of a two handled saw and they slowly work together to saw down a tree. If one gets the blade caught, the other pulls it through. But it's not a tree they're sawing at this time, it's something more vital than just one tree.

This last push...named Obama... this isn't them continuing to saw for eternity. It's the nudge that knocks down the tree. It's already ready to fall, there's so little left supporting it, only the bark and a few threads of wood remain intact at the base.

How do I know?
It's simple. He can get away with anything. The position he is in as the first non-white president..it doesn't make him the same tool as all the others. They were a saw, he's the axe. There is nothing he cannot do. There is no "Oh you can't push that through until a Republican gets into office". It's smooth sailing for the party behind the curtain, they don't need to saw any more.

Timber....
 Quoting: Candy Corn


Interesting observations and analogy . . . I don't disagree . . . Think this has been going on for centuries . . . Why do you think the grapes are now ripe anymore than let's say during the Great Depression and WWII????hiding
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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I think it was lower than a B rating . . .Ann Southern & Jerry Van Dyke I think . . .

Why do you think O will be the last President?
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For decades I've observed how the Republicans and Democrats work together in unison towards certain projects (war, removing of rights within the US etc). Each pulls as far as they can go without upsetting public opinion TOO much, and then control is handed over to the other one who completes the job (even though the platform they ran on is invariably a claim that when elected they will stop the job, not complete it). The public allows this because they get caught up in the "he's your president you voted for so of course he's pushing forward death" or "He's my president I voted for so I'll excuse this one thing, because there must have been some reason I voted for him.."

This slow sawing back and forth has been going on for years and years with seamless teamwork between the parties. It reminds me of the lumberjacks of old times, each holding one side of a two handled saw and they slowly work together to saw down a tree. If one gets the blade caught, the other pulls it through. But it's not a tree they're sawing at this time, it's something more vital than just one tree.

This last push...named Obama... this isn't them continuing to saw for eternity. It's the nudge that knocks down the tree. It's already ready to fall, there's so little left supporting it, only the bark and a few threads of wood remain intact at the base.

How do I know?
It's simple. He can get away with anything. The position he is in as the first non-white president..it doesn't make him the same tool as all the others. They were a saw, he's the axe. There is nothing he cannot do. There is no "Oh you can't push that through until a Republican gets into office". It's smooth sailing for the party behind the curtain, they don't need to saw any more.

Timber....
 Quoting: Candy Corn


Interesting observations and analogy . . . I don't disagree . . . Think this has been going on for centuries . . . Why do you think the grapes are now ripe anymore than let's say during the Great Depression and WWII????hiding
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My bet would be on how long it takes to raise a generation that will accept it all. Also, there really was slow and steady work done to give people time to become adjusted to the tightening collar. It took a while to get as far as we have. It's like the boiled toad (frog?) analogy..if the pot had heated up too quickly, people would have fought back. At this point the water is boiling, yet the response rate is fairly consistent and steady from being worn out over so many years. It's highly unlikely you will see real revolution; just some bickering, yelling, and infighting.

Also, after WWII we got an influx of ass holes (cough* project paper clip) which helped to speed along the ripening of the masses in the states. I don't know what was available before that or how it was being used, I wasn't alive :)
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I'm bored. Ask anything, not all answers will be valid.
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How do you know that you are not psychic.

Think abou it...
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I'm bored. Ask anything, not all answers will be valid.
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How do you know that you are not psychic.

Think abou it...
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Because I don't even know if you're a man or a woman :)
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I'm bored. Ask anything, not all answers will be valid.
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i knew you were going to ask that
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I'm bored. Ask anything, not all answers will be valid.
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i knew you were going to ask that
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Oooo, a psychic. Tell me my fortune ;)
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I'm bored. Ask anything, not all answers will be valid.
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How do you know that you are not psychic.

Think abou it...
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Because I don't even know if you're a man or a woman :)
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Do you know if you are a man or a woman?
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can you fail to predict the next doom event for me?
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How the heck did I miss this one?
Hmm...the next doom....
There's so much long term doom (diabetes, government over-reach, etc) that it's hard to see the mini shock and awe dooms.

Here's a math question...

Find the current number of empty houses in the US.
Find the number of houses empty from 2007 or so.
Find the current number of homeless.
Find the number of homeless in 2007 or so (all US figures)

What you will discover if you do it right (I'll hunt down the stats and post them here later if you don't), is that while the number of homeless has increased, the number of empty houses has increased a whole lot more.
Even if you account for families doubling up, moving into rental housing (which is still occupying a house), or becoming homeless, you will not be able to account for the number of empty houses (it is like 30-40 empty houses for each homeless person, so you figure roughly 100 empty houses for each homeless family of 3.3).

With so many empty houses, where did the people go?
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I'm bored. Ask anything, not all answers will be valid.
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How do you know that you are not psychic.

Think abou it...
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Because I don't even know if you're a man or a woman :)
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Do you know if you are a man or a woman?
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Well, I've hung out in a place that claimed to only let men in the door, but they were lying twats, so I'm still pretty sure I'm female.
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can you fail to predict the next doom event for me?
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How the heck did I miss this one?
Hmm...the next doom....
There's so much long term doom (diabetes, government over-reach, etc) that it's hard to see the mini shock and awe dooms.

Here's a math question...

Find the current number of empty houses in the US.
Find the number of houses empty from 2007 or so.
Find the current number of homeless.
Find the number of homeless in 2007 or so (all US figures)

What you will discover if you do it right (I'll hunt down the stats and post them here later if you don't), is that while the number of homeless has increased, the number of empty houses has increased a whole lot more.
Even if you account for families doubling up, moving into rental housing (which is still occupying a house), or becoming homeless, you will not be able to account for the number of empty houses (it is like 30-40 empty houses for each homeless person, so you figure roughly 100 empty houses for each homeless family of 3.3).

With so many empty houses, where did the people go?
 Quoting: Candy Corn




Okay, I found the numbers:

2005 homeless: 744,000
"There were 744,000 homeless people in the United States in 2005, according to the first national estimate in a decade."
[link to www.usatoday.com]

2010 homeless: 1.5 million homeless
"Around 1.5 million homeless as US enters 2011"
[link to digitaljournal.com]


2010 vacant houses: 19 million
"The number of vacant homes in the U.S. increased to 19 million in the first quarter 2010"
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

2006 vacant homes (couldn't find 2005): 16 million
"Since the housing bubble collapsed 2006, the number of vacant homes has soared from about 16 million"
[link to www.trulia.com]


So:

2005-2006:
16 million empty houses and
744,000 homeless

2010:
19 million empty houses and
1.5 million homeless


That's an increase of 3 million homes (which can roomily hold 6 million people on average)

and an increase of about 756,000 homeless.

Since the largest growing number of homeless is families, we can assume that each two of those new homeless fit into roughly 378,000 houses.

Yet, while those new homeless were emerging 3 MILLION houses went empty.
If we take the 378,000 houses that were occupied by the new homeless we still have 2.62 million homes that can hold approximately 5.24 million people.

Okay, so where did the 5.24 million people go that were in those houses in 2005/2006 if they didn't become homeless (we've accounted for the homeless already...

Well, figures tell us that a lot of homeless "double up" (i.e. move back home)
and they also tell us some idiots continue to build houses no one will move into..

But does that really account for 5.2 million people disappearing/newly 2.62 million vacant houses over a period of 5 years?


I suppose we need figures on people moving home to mom and new construction for 2005 and 2010 to know for sure..

There's one other chart I would consider when wondering where the people went though...
and it's this one:

[link to foodfreedom.files.wordpress.com]
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can you fail to predict the next doom event for me?
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How the heck did I miss this one?
Hmm...the next doom....
There's so much long term doom (diabetes, government over-reach, etc) that it's hard to see the mini shock and awe dooms.

Here's a math question...

Find the current number of empty houses in the US.
Find the number of houses empty from 2007 or so.
Find the current number of homeless.
Find the number of homeless in 2007 or so (all US figures)

What you will discover if you do it right (I'll hunt down the stats and post them here later if you don't), is that while the number of homeless has increased, the number of empty houses has increased a whole lot more.
Even if you account for families doubling up, moving into rental housing (which is still occupying a house), or becoming homeless, you will not be able to account for the number of empty houses (it is like 30-40 empty houses for each homeless person, so you figure roughly 100 empty houses for each homeless family of 3.3).

With so many empty houses, where did the people go?
 Quoting: Candy Corn




Okay, I found the numbers:

2005 homeless: 744,000
"There were 744,000 homeless people in the United States in 2005, according to the first national estimate in a decade."
[link to www.usatoday.com]

2010 homeless: 1.5 million homeless
"Around 1.5 million homeless as US enters 2011"
[link to digitaljournal.com]


2010 vacant houses: 19 million
"The number of vacant homes in the U.S. increased to 19 million in the first quarter 2010"
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

2006 vacant homes (couldn't find 2005): 16 million
"Since the housing bubble collapsed 2006, the number of vacant homes has soared from about 16 million"
[link to www.trulia.com]


So:

2005-2006:
16 million empty houses and
744,000 homeless

2010:
19 million empty houses and
1.5 million homeless


That's an increase of 3 million homes (which can roomily hold 6 million people on average)

and an increase of about 756,000 homeless.

Since the largest growing number of homeless is families, we can assume that each two of those new homeless fit into roughly 378,000 houses.

Yet, while those new homeless were emerging 3 MILLION houses went empty.
If we take the 378,000 houses that were occupied by the new homeless we still have 2.62 million homes that can hold approximately 5.24 million people.

Okay, so where did the 5.24 million people go that were in those houses in 2005/2006 if they didn't become homeless (we've accounted for the homeless already...

Well, figures tell us that a lot of homeless "double up" (i.e. move back home)
and they also tell us some idiots continue to build houses no one will move into..

But does that really account for 5.2 million people disappearing/newly 2.62 million vacant houses over a period of 5 years?


I suppose we need figures on people moving home to mom and new construction for 2005 and 2010 to know for sure..

There's one other chart I would consider when wondering where the people went though...
and it's this one:

[link to foodfreedom.files.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: Candy Corn


So your final conclusion is . . . ???!hiding
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

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can you fail to predict the next doom event for me?
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How the heck did I miss this one?
Hmm...the next doom....
There's so much long term doom (diabetes, government over-reach, etc) that it's hard to see the mini shock and awe dooms.

Here's a math question...

Find the current number of empty houses in the US.
Find the number of houses empty from 2007 or so.
Find the current number of homeless.
Find the number of homeless in 2007 or so (all US figures)

What you will discover if you do it right (I'll hunt down the stats and post them here later if you don't), is that while the number of homeless has increased, the number of empty houses has increased a whole lot more.
Even if you account for families doubling up, moving into rental housing (which is still occupying a house), or becoming homeless, you will not be able to account for the number of empty houses (it is like 30-40 empty houses for each homeless person, so you figure roughly 100 empty houses for each homeless family of 3.3).

With so many empty houses, where did the people go?
 Quoting: Candy Corn




Okay, I found the numbers:

2005 homeless: 744,000
"There were 744,000 homeless people in the United States in 2005, according to the first national estimate in a decade."
[link to www.usatoday.com]

2010 homeless: 1.5 million homeless
"Around 1.5 million homeless as US enters 2011"
[link to digitaljournal.com]


2010 vacant houses: 19 million
"The number of vacant homes in the U.S. increased to 19 million in the first quarter 2010"
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

2006 vacant homes (couldn't find 2005): 16 million
"Since the housing bubble collapsed 2006, the number of vacant homes has soared from about 16 million"
[link to www.trulia.com]


So:

2005-2006:
16 million empty houses and
744,000 homeless

2010:
19 million empty houses and
1.5 million homeless


That's an increase of 3 million homes (which can roomily hold 6 million people on average)

and an increase of about 756,000 homeless.

Since the largest growing number of homeless is families, we can assume that each two of those new homeless fit into roughly 378,000 houses.

Yet, while those new homeless were emerging 3 MILLION houses went empty.
If we take the 378,000 houses that were occupied by the new homeless we still have 2.62 million homes that can hold approximately 5.24 million people.

Okay, so where did the 5.24 million people go that were in those houses in 2005/2006 if they didn't become homeless (we've accounted for the homeless already...

Well, figures tell us that a lot of homeless "double up" (i.e. move back home)
and they also tell us some idiots continue to build houses no one will move into..

But does that really account for 5.2 million people disappearing/newly 2.62 million vacant houses over a period of 5 years?


I suppose we need figures on people moving home to mom and new construction for 2005 and 2010 to know for sure..

There's one other chart I would consider when wondering where the people went though...
and it's this one:

[link to foodfreedom.files.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: Candy Corn


So your final conclusion is . . . ???!hiding
 Quoting: George B


That someone else should do the math and include population growth lol.
I did it once already and got a headache. Looking at it again is giving me the same feeling.
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skittle,

Me thinks the source for the data may be unreliable unless the exact definitions, exceptions, and methods of compilation is known . . . I think my head hurts too!!!peace
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

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The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional, except for death and taxes . . . George B
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skittle,

Me thinks the source for the data may be unreliable unless the exact definitions, exceptions, and methods of compilation is known . . . I think my head hurts too!!!peace
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Mm, it's more art than science I think.
Stats are skewed all the time.

I've got pop growth (if one wants to guess 2005 is somewhere between those 2):
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
population growth
281,421,906 2000
308,745,538 2010

and doubling up growth (not the exact years, but within the range):

doubling up 2007-2011
"n spring 2007, there were 19.7 million doubled-up households, amounting to 17.0 percent of all households. Four years later, in spring 2011, the number of such households had climbed to 21.8 million, or 18.3 percent."
[link to blogs.census.gov]

Now I need new construction, which they insist on doing in tiny increments instead of half decades.
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Okay..the total (very rough total)


Here's a math question...

Find the current number of empty houses in the US.
Find the number of houses empty from 2007 or so.
Find the current number of homeless.
Find the number of homeless in 2007 or so (all US figures)

What you will discover if you do it right (I'll hunt down the stats and post them here later if you don't), is that while the number of homeless has increased, the number of empty houses has increased a whole lot more.
Even if you account for families doubling up, moving into rental housing (which is still occupying a house), or becoming homeless, you will not be able to account for the number of empty houses (it is like 30-40 empty houses for each homeless person, so you figure roughly 100 empty houses for each homeless family of 3.3).

With so many empty houses, where did the people go?


-------------------

Okay, I found the numbers:

2005 homeless: 744,000
"There were 744,000 homeless people in the United States in 2005, according to the first national estimate in a decade."
[link to www.usatoday.com]

2010 homeless: 1.5 million homeless
"Around 1.5 million homeless as US enters 2011"
[link to digitaljournal.com]


2010 vacant houses: 19 million
"The number of vacant homes in the U.S. increased to 19 million in the first quarter 2010"
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

2006 vacant homes (couldn't find 2005): 16 million
"Since the housing bubble collapsed 2006, the number of vacant homes has soared from about 16 million"
[link to www.trulia.com]


So:

2005-2006:
16 million empty houses and
744,000 homeless

2010:
19 million empty houses and
1.5 million homeless


That's an increase of 3 million homes (which can roomily hold 6 million people on average)

and an increase of about 756,000 homeless.

Since the largest growing number of homeless is families, we can assume that each two of those new homeless fit into roughly 378,000 houses.

Yet, while those new homeless were emerging 3 MILLION houses went empty.
If we take the 378,000 houses that were occupied by the new homeless we still have 2.62 million homes that can hold approximately 5.24 million people.

Okay, so where did the 5.24 million people go that were in those houses in 2005/2006 if they didn't become homeless (we've accounted for the homeless already...

Well, figures tell us that a lot of homeless "double up" (i.e. move back home)
and they also tell us some idiots continue to build houses no one will move into..

But does that really account for 5.2 million people disappearing/newly 2.62 million vacant houses over a period of 5 years?


I suppose we need figures on people moving home to mom and new construction for 2005 and 2010 to know for sure..

There's one other chart I would consider when wondering where the people went though...
and it's this one:

[link to foodfreedom.files.wordpress.com]


Okay , more figures....

I've got pop growth (if one wants to guess 2005 is somewhere between those 2):
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
population growth
281,421,906 2000
308,745,538 2010

So from the original math we've got 5.2 million people disappearing/newly 2.62 million vacant houses over a period of 5 years?

If the pop growth of the US was very roughly 13.66 million for 2005-2010 (half of the growth between 2000 and 2010)

..we can then add 13.66 million new people to our already missing 5.2 million people for a population of 18.82 million people that do not seem to have occupied the newly vacant homes. We can assume those 18.82 million people would fit 9.41 million houses

Now, we know a lot of people double up, move home to mom, luckily there's a stat for that:
(not the exact years, but within the range):

doubling up 2007-2011
"In spring 2007, there were 19.7 million doubled-up households, amounting to 17.0 percent of all households. Four years later, in spring 2011, the number of such households had climbed to 21.8 million, or 18.3 percent."
[link to blogs.census.gov]

21.8 million in 2011, minus the 19.7 million already sharing each other's toothpaste four years prior:
2.1 million newly doubled up people.

Yay, we can subtract. Let's take the 2.1 million people from out 18.82 million ghosts:

We get 16.72 million people unaccounted for but that should be living somewhere..hey, at least it's going down.

Then we move on to the big one (and some very approximate math, if you want better...do it yourself)

New construction:

"In 2005 1.6 million housing units where built. This includes single and multifamily units. In 2010 around 330,000 housing units where built. That is a decline of more than 300%."
[link to wiki.answers.com]

okay
1.6 million in 2005 down to 1/3 million in 2010
Rough guess based on that:
1.6 million 2005
1.3 million 2006
1.1 million 2007
1.0 million 2008
0.9 million 2009
(and then everything went to hell).
That's a very overestimated total of:
5.9 million new homes in the US over a 5 year period.
Using our 2 people to a house math: we could fit
11.8 million people in those homes.

If we take our 16.72 million people unaccounted for and squeeze as many as we can into the brand new houses (which we know aren't selling very well btw) we are left with only:

4.92 million missing Americans that aren't counted as housed or homeless and that have somehow disappeared between 2005 and 2010 roughly.

Where do ya think they went?
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Okay..the total (very rough total)


Here's a math question...

Find the current number of empty houses in the US.
Find the number of houses empty from 2007 or so.
Find the current number of homeless.
Find the number of homeless in 2007 or so (all US figures)

What you will discover if you do it right (I'll hunt down the stats and post them here later if you don't), is that while the number of homeless has increased, the number of empty houses has increased a whole lot more.
Even if you account for families doubling up, moving into rental housing (which is still occupying a house), or becoming homeless, you will not be able to account for the number of empty houses (it is like 30-40 empty houses for each homeless person, so you figure roughly 100 empty houses for each homeless family of 3.3).

With so many empty houses, where did the people go?


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Okay, I found the numbers:

2005 homeless: 744,000
"There were 744,000 homeless people in the United States in 2005, according to the first national estimate in a decade."
[link to www.usatoday.com]

2010 homeless: 1.5 million homeless
"Around 1.5 million homeless as US enters 2011"
[link to digitaljournal.com]


2010 vacant houses: 19 million
"The number of vacant homes in the U.S. increased to 19 million in the first quarter 2010"
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

2006 vacant homes (couldn't find 2005): 16 million
"Since the housing bubble collapsed 2006, the number of vacant homes has soared from about 16 million"
[link to www.trulia.com]


So:

2005-2006:
16 million empty houses and
744,000 homeless

2010:
19 million empty houses and
1.5 million homeless


That's an increase of 3 million homes (which can roomily hold 6 million people on average)

and an increase of about 756,000 homeless.

Since the largest growing number of homeless is families, we can assume that each two of those new homeless fit into roughly 378,000 houses.

Yet, while those new homeless were emerging 3 MILLION houses went empty.
If we take the 378,000 houses that were occupied by the new homeless we still have 2.62 million homes that can hold approximately 5.24 million people.

Okay, so where did the 5.24 million people go that were in those houses in 2005/2006 if they didn't become homeless (we've accounted for the homeless already...

Well, figures tell us that a lot of homeless "double up" (i.e. move back home)
and they also tell us some idiots continue to build houses no one will move into..

But does that really account for 5.2 million people disappearing/newly 2.62 million vacant houses over a period of 5 years?


I suppose we need figures on people moving home to mom and new construction for 2005 and 2010 to know for sure..

There's one other chart I would consider when wondering where the people went though...
and it's this one:

[link to foodfreedom.files.wordpress.com]


Okay , more figures....

I've got pop growth (if one wants to guess 2005 is somewhere between those 2):
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
population growth
281,421,906 2000
308,745,538 2010

So from the original math we've got 5.2 million people disappearing/newly 2.62 million vacant houses over a period of 5 years?

If the pop growth of the US was very roughly 13.66 million for 2005-2010 (half of the growth between 2000 and 2010)

..we can then add 13.66 million new people to our already missing 5.2 million people for a population of 18.82 million people that do not seem to have occupied the newly vacant homes. We can assume those 18.82 million people would fit 9.41 million houses

Now, we know a lot of people double up, move home to mom, luckily there's a stat for that:
(not the exact years, but within the range):

doubling up 2007-2011
"In spring 2007, there were 19.7 million doubled-up households, amounting to 17.0 percent of all households. Four years later, in spring 2011, the number of such households had climbed to 21.8 million, or 18.3 percent."
[link to blogs.census.gov]

21.8 million in 2011, minus the 19.7 million already sharing each other's toothpaste four years prior:
2.1 million newly doubled up people.

Yay, we can subtract. Let's take the 2.1 million people from out 18.82 million ghosts:

We get 16.72 million people unaccounted for but that should be living somewhere..hey, at least it's going down.

Then we move on to the big one (and some very approximate math, if you want better...do it yourself)

New construction:

"In 2005 1.6 million housing units where built. This includes single and multifamily units. In 2010 around 330,000 housing units where built. That is a decline of more than 300%."
[link to wiki.answers.com]

okay
1.6 million in 2005 down to 1/3 million in 2010
Rough guess based on that:
1.6 million 2005
1.3 million 2006
1.1 million 2007
1.0 million 2008
0.9 million 2009
(and then everything went to hell).
That's a very overestimated total of:
5.9 million new homes in the US over a 5 year period.
Using our 2 people to a house math: we could fit
11.8 million people in those homes.

If we take our 16.72 million people unaccounted for and squeeze as many as we can into the brand new houses (which we know aren't selling very well btw) we are left with only:

4.92 million missing Americans that aren't counted as housed or homeless and that have somehow disappeared between 2005 and 2010 roughly.

Where do ya think they went?
There's your doom. If you don't know where they went, how do you know you won't end up in the same place?
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Hehe. I may not be psychic, but I do know the number of people willing to sit down and do math on here is a whole lot lower than the number of ones who will just come by to whine about it.
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Hehe. I may not be psychic, but I do know the number of people willing to sit down and do math on here is a whole lot lower than the number of ones who will just come by to whine about it.
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Seems you have found a statistical anomaly; however, how does one remove that many people without shock and bewilderment .. . ? I saw a documentary indicating that about 60,000 people had disappeared from Alaska in one decade without explanation . . . That would be 25% of the city of Anchorage or about 12% of the entire state population . . . !!!!
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Hehe. I may not be psychic, but I do know the number of people willing to sit down and do math on here is a whole lot lower than the number of ones who will just come by to whine about it.
 Quoting: Candy Corn


Seems you have found a statistical anomaly; however, how does one remove that many people without shock and bewilderment .. . ? I saw a documentary indicating that about 60,000 people had disappeared from Alaska in one decade without explanation . . . That would be 25% of the city of Anchorage or about 12% of the entire state population . . . !!!!
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When people disappear in a bad economy I think we just assume they couldn't afford it and moved elsewhere (imagine heat prices in Alaska..I would flee those), or we don't care because we never really knew them that well anyway, etc.

If people are getting sucked in by the prison industrial complex at an alarming rate, their families might not be spreading the word around or no one might care. Criminals are something to be ashamed of/ remove yourself from. It makes them insanely easy targets for removal and abuse.

Or maybe diabetes has become more deadly as of late.
I noticed an epidemic of pneumonia last time I was in the states.

So many choices...

Oh, the US prison industrial complex is another math problem.

It used to be that they had a slow growth of population, but since about 1979 it has taken off and is on a steep incline. At the current incline, how many years will it take until every US adult (statistically speaking) is in prison? I did the math about a year ago and came up with the year 2022 by using available data.
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Since Alaska began tracking the numbers in 1988, police have received at least 60,700 reports of missing people.


Richard Hills was one of 3,323 people reported missing in the state last year, not a record but far more, in ratio to population, than anywhere else in the United States. On average, about five of every 1,000 people go missing every year, roughly double the national rate. Since Alaska began tracking the numbers in 1988, police have received at least 60,700 reports of missing people.
[link to seattletimes.nwsource.com]
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US prisoner population:
There's a nice graph for the math:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Prison labour (only allowed slavery according to 13th amendment).
You can find tons of this stuff by the way:

"Prisoners earning 23 cents an hour in U.S. federal prisons are manufacturing high-tech electronic components for Patriot Advanced Capability 3 missiles, launchers for TOW (Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided) anti-tank missiles, and other guided missile systems.
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Since Alaska began tracking the numbers in 1988, police have received at least 60,700 reports of missing people.


Richard Hills was one of 3,323 people reported missing in the state last year, not a record but far more, in ratio to population, than anywhere else in the United States. On average, about five of every 1,000 people go missing every year, roughly double the national rate. Since Alaska began tracking the numbers in 1988, police have received at least 60,700 reports of missing people.
[link to seattletimes.nwsource.com]
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This should be a thread on its own! xx
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Hehe. I may not be psychic, but I do know the number of people willing to sit down and do math on here is a whole lot lower than the number of ones who will just come by to whine about it.
 Quoting: Candy Corn


Seems you have found a statistical anomaly; however, how does one remove that many people without shock and bewilderment .. . ? I saw a documentary indicating that about 60,000 people had disappeared from Alaska in one decade without explanation . . . That would be 25% of the city of Anchorage or about 12% of the entire state population . . . !!!!
 Quoting: George B


When people disappear in a bad economy I think we just assume they couldn't afford it and moved elsewhere (imagine heat prices in Alaska..I would flee those), or we don't care because we never really knew them that well anyway, etc.

If people are getting sucked in by the prison industrial complex at an alarming rate, their families might not be spreading the word around or no one might care. Criminals are something to be ashamed of/ remove yourself from. It makes them insanely easy targets for removal and abuse.

Or maybe diabetes has become more deadly as of late.
I noticed an epidemic of pneumonia last time I was in the states.

So many choices...

Oh, the US prison industrial complex is another math problem.

It used to be that they had a slow growth of population, but since about 1979 it has taken off and is on a steep incline. At the current incline, how many years will it take until every US adult (statistically speaking) is in prison? I did the math about a year ago and came up with the year 2022 by using available data.
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If that were true don't you think there would be a disproportionate number of missing men over women . . . As more men would be in prison . . . So what is the sex distribution of the missing population???
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Hehe. I may not be psychic, but I do know the number of people willing to sit down and do math on here is a whole lot lower than the number of ones who will just come by to whine about it.
 Quoting: Candy Corn


Seems you have found a statistical anomaly; however, how does one remove that many people without shock and bewilderment .. . ? I saw a documentary indicating that about 60,000 people had disappeared from Alaska in one decade without explanation . . . That would be 25% of the city of Anchorage or about 12% of the entire state population . . . !!!!
 Quoting: George B


When people disappear in a bad economy I think we just assume they couldn't afford it and moved elsewhere (imagine heat prices in Alaska..I would flee those), or we don't care because we never really knew them that well anyway, etc.

If people are getting sucked in by the prison industrial complex at an alarming rate, their families might not be spreading the word around or no one might care. Criminals are something to be ashamed of/ remove yourself from. It makes them insanely easy targets for removal and abuse.

Or maybe diabetes has become more deadly as of late.
I noticed an epidemic of pneumonia last time I was in the states.

So many choices...

Oh, the US prison industrial complex is another math problem.

It used to be that they had a slow growth of population, but since about 1979 it has taken off and is on a steep incline. At the current incline, how many years will it take until every US adult (statistically speaking) is in prison? I did the math about a year ago and came up with the year 2022 by using available data.
 Quoting: Candy Corn


If that were true don't you think there would be a disproportionate number of missing men over women . . . As more men would be in prison . . . So what is the sex distribution of the missing population???
 Quoting: George B



Ha. I have no clue what the sex distribution of the missing are, because I don't know who they are.

However:
"While women comprise just a small segment of all the people serving prison terms in the U.S., their number is rising at a far faster rate than that of men. "
Equality is coming :P
[link to www.wpaonline.org]

Kids end up in the foster system or with grandparents.

More women are going to university than men, maybe it's because the men are in prison, who knows.

And there are a lot of missing men...look at all the single mothers and the statistics on black men in prison..it's insane. A black man has something like a 300% chance of spending time in jail in America within their life time. That means if one stays out, some other one is doing 6 sentences in order for him to be able to do so.

So much math.....

I lived in a remote area once. I can see how people could go missing in Alaska. I was so incredibly open to bad things happening out there if they had chosen to come to me. No police needed for that one.
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Hrm..I may have had my black man stats wrong..or wiki is now lying to me, take your pick.

"A black male born in 1991 has a 29% chance of spending time in prison at some point in his life.2
Nearly one in three African American males aged 20–29 are under some form of criminal justice supervision whether imprisoned, jailed, on parole or probation.
One out of nine African American men will be incarcerated between the ages of 20 and 34."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I'm now sure how they get 30% chance for a lifetime when "Nearly one in three African American males aged 20–29 are under some form of criminal justice supervision". People DO live past 29....
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So Candy Corn . . . Why not Cotton Candy?....
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