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God Himself claims that we BECAME like HIM after EATING and knowing good and evil! and we COULD of lived forever even with SIN!

 
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God Himself claims that we BECAME like HIM after EATING and knowing good and evil! and we COULD of lived forever even with SIN!
Genesis 3:22-23
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: .....

23)....and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

So...

1) we became like him when we knew good and evil

2) we could of lived forever by eating the tree of life even though we had the supposed sin death curse.

I'm interested in what Christians have to say about this!
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Genesis 3:22-23
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: .....

23)....and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

So...

1) we became like him when we knew good and evil

2) we could of lived forever by eating the tree of life even though we had the supposed sin death curse.

I'm interested in what Christians have to say about this!
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It's, could have, you fuckin' retard, not "could of".
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Genesis 3:22-23
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: .....

23)....and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

So...

1) we became like him when we knew good and evil

2) we could of lived forever by eating the tree of life even though we had the supposed sin death curse.

I'm interested in what Christians have to say about this!
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It's, could have, you fuckin' retard, not "could of".
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Dude, I think you may need to get laid more often.
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Genesis 3:22-23
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: .....

23)....and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

So...

1) we became like him when we knew good and evil

2) we could of lived forever by eating the tree of life even though we had the supposed sin death curse.

I'm interested in what Christians have to say about this!
 Quoting: Dynoman 16065609


It's, could have, you fuckin' retard, not "could of".
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When you are part of the NWO you don't have to worry about stupidity like that. I offer you a way out and even give you bread, yet you still.. climb right back into your cage and eat the crumbs of ignorance. People like you only hold us back
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God had plans for the tree of life, or else he wouldn't have put it there to begin with. If Adam and Eve hadn't sinned they would have been allowed to eat from it and would have lived forever.
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Genesis 3:22-23
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: .....

23)....and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

So...

1) we became like him when we knew good and evil

2) we could of lived forever by eating the tree of life even though we had the supposed sin death curse.

I'm interested in what Christians have to say about this!
 Quoting: Dynoman 16065609


It's, could have, you fuckin' retard, not "could of".
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Chillax.

Chill.

There ya go.
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Genesis 3:22-23
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: .....

23)....and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

So...

1) we became like him when we knew good and evil

2) we could of lived forever by eating the tree of life even though we had the supposed sin death curse.

I'm interested in what Christians have to say about this!
 Quoting: Dynoman 16065609


It's, could have, you fuckin' retard, not "could of".
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Dude, I think you may need to get laid more often.
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The same could be said of YOU.

Dudette.

Yep.
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Re: God Himself claims that we BECAME like HIM after EATING and knowing good and evil! and we COULD of lived forever even with SIN!
Excellent question OP! Quite provocative. I'll give you my answer as I know it, knowing there are many wiser Christians around the joint than me.

God is true and can never lie.Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. 

God pronounced the penalty to Adam and Eve IF they broke His law/ commandment - not to eat of the tree of knowledge. Which they did. This penalty that they were seriously warned of was that they would die if they ate from the tree:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Hence if God let them eat of the tree of life (which is the spirit of redemption/ Jesus Christ) then His word would be broken and a lie, which cannot be. So to fulfil His punishment He has to keep them from living forever. And of course, the devil (serpent) was trying to bring God's kingdom crashing down so that his could replace it, and no doubt tempted Eve to this purpose. But God would gain the victory against the serpent on the cross, fair and square, as a man in flesh, amen.

Going on from here Adam and Eve lost a lot more than the paradise around them, they went in to a fallen state, they lost many amazing gifts the Lord had given them, and possibly (my speculation) stopped being 4D beings and become 3D beings with blood in their veins.

I'm surer it is even deeper than this, but on at least one level I hope this provides and answer to your question.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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Excellent question OP! Quite provocative. I'll give you my answer as I know it, knowing there are many wiser Christians around the joint than me.

God is true and can never lie.Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. 

God pronounced the penalty to Adam and Eve IF they broke His law/ commandment - not to eat of the tree of knowledge. Which they did. This penalty that they were seriously warned of was that they would die if they ate from the tree:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Hence if God let them eat of the tree of life (which is the spirit of redemption/ Jesus Christ) then His word would be broken and a lie, which cannot be. So to fulfil His punishment He has to keep them from living forever. And of course, the devil (serpent) was trying to bring God's kingdom crashing down so that his could replace it, and no doubt tempted Eve to this purpose. But God would gain the victory against the serpent on the cross, fair and square, as a man in flesh, amen.

Going on from here Adam and Eve lost a lot more than the paradise around them, they went in to a fallen state, they lost many amazing gifts the Lord had given them, and possibly (my speculation) stopped being 4D beings and become 3D beings with blood in their veins.

I'm surer it is even deeper than this, but on at least one level I hope this provides and answer to your question.
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Thank you for a well reasoned and heart felt response Jerichofall.
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DO NOT FEAR

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In the beginning humankind had the ability to “see from one end of the world to the other. ”Adam and Eve existed in “bodies of light,” not ones of flesh and blood. Therefore they had no physical mouths with which to eat and no physical stomachs with which to digest. The Garden of Eden also was no physical place. Rather, it was a domain situated in a dimensional reality completely different from our own. The references to the earthly rivers going out of Eden are metaphorical. By our standards there was nothing physical to it at all. Any searches therefore for a terrestrial Garden of Eden are wasted endeavors pursuing myths, not reality.


Eden itself is a reference to that dimensional plane that immediately oversees and provides sustenance to our own. Our physical universe is subject to this higher parallel dimensional plane in that this “other” is the source of all things here, both material and energetic. In Aden are the Souls of the Righteous, and Holy people while in this world can interact with this realm to draw Divine abundance for this world.


The ability to “see from one end of the world to the other. ” was lost as a result of eating the forbidden fruit of the Tree of Knowledge Good and Evil. By this Eve and then Adam were sucked into this physical plane and were unprepared to deal with it. It is a terrible thing to once be able to see everything and then only be able to see almost nothing. Our greatest blindness however does not come from the limitation of our physical eyes, but rather from the limitations which imprison our minds enabling them only to see that which the physical eye sees. Yet, the mind is able to see far beyond these limitations. We often do not recognize the true nature of existence because of our our limited perceptions. The reality that we perceive is only like the point of a pin. All else we cannot understand we force to fit in to our physical perception of reality.


Adam and Eve were not tethered to the higher dimensional plane. Through the metaphor of eating the fruit from the Tree of Life. Adam and Eve descended down the black hole into our physical universe began it was too late for them to grab on to the Tree of Life. We have been suffering from the crippling effects of our choices ever since.

Adam and Eve were thus sucked down the black hole and into our physical universe. However they were naked and needed to be clothed, as the garments of the soul in the Garden of Eden are different than those of this world. This is when Elohim, G-d, author of natural law gave them garments, which were their flesh and blood bodies. Those that are bound by the laws of nature that rule this world. Yet, now they were stuck. How could they ever repair this?

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God didn't say that, man did.
Destroy all that is evil, so what is good may flourish.

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Sure thing you will live forever as a sinner.....cast away and forgoten soul tormented by it own convictions....burning from inside out from restless mind of yours cursing your self for making all the wrong choices in physical realm.....and now cast out of presence of God for eternity ...you understand ...your immortality will be contained in a void of dark emptiness forever.
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Genesis 3:22-23
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: .....

23)....and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

So...

1) we became like him when we knew good and evil

2) we could of lived forever by eating the tree of life even though we had the supposed sin death curse.

I'm interested in what Christians have to say about this!
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Yep, very true. They were driven from the Garden of Eden and the tree of life so sin would NOT be perpetuated throughout eternity in God's universe! The wages of sin is DEATH, which is why DEATh came to humanity. Contrary to popular thinking we don't "go" anywhere when we die. We cease to exist until either the resurrection of life (which happens at the second coming of Jesus and is for those who are saved and have accepted Christ as their personal savior) or the resurrection of damnation, which is the resurrection for the lost who will be DESTROYED in hell fire... NOT burn on for eternity! The lost are NEVER promised eternal life, not even in an eternal burning hell! They are promised DEATH! ETERNAL DEATH! THE SECOND DEATH the Bible calls it! A death from which there is no return. Only the saved are promised eternal life. That is why THIS is our probation period. After the fall, we are here to vindicate the name of God or say Satan is right and we can't overcome through the power of God. WE choose who we will serve and we CHOOSE where we will be after our life here is over, however, those who choose to remain in sin and "claim" to be a follower of Christ will have a rude awakening if they cling to those sins which nailed Jesus to the cross. We must OVERCOME, through the power God gives us through the holy spirit because if God allows sin back into heaven he'd have to take satan and the whole evil slew of demons back too, and I can assure you, that's not happening! Don't ever let anyone tell you satan is stronger than God! Satan can tempt but satan can NOT make us do something we don't want to do! God is more powerful!
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Genesis 3:22-23
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: .....

23)....and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

So...

1) we became like him when we knew good and evil

2) we could of lived forever by eating the tree of life even though we had the supposed sin death curse.

I'm interested in what Christians have to say about this!
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Not one word of that gibberish makes an ounce of sense..Apparently the people that wrote the bible, hundreds if not thousands of years after the comic book hero died were illiterate. Of course the same fools thought the earth was flat and witches and demons ruled the skies along with fire breathing dragons.

how can people be so stupid as to believe such horseshit?
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The tree of life is Jesus.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is satan.

Trees in Eden represent other people.

Let us look at trees and their symbolism so we can start to unravel the mystery of the Garden of Eden and the Cedars of Lebanon as found in The Holy Bible.

MARK 8:24
And he looked up and said, “I see men as trees, walking.”

JUDGES 9:8
The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, “Reign thou over us.”9:9 But the olive tree said unto them, “Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?” 9:10 And the trees said to the fig tree, “Come thou, and reign over us.”9:11 But the fig tree said unto them, “Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees?” 9:12 Then said the trees unto the vine, “Come thou, and reign over us.’ 9:13 And the vine said unto them, “Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?”

Didn’t that form quite a humorous scenario with all these trees Interacting and speaking to each other?

The Lord tells us how to think when we read the Bible, when you look up the word ” WORD” or “SAYINGS” in the New Testament it means LOGOS.

Therefore we know we must apply LOGIC. So logically, can a tree move (walk) or speak or reign?

The answer is no, but people can do these things.
Now read the following passage relating it to people (nations)

ISAIAH 55:12
For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.

Can trees do these things?” Logically, absolutely not.

ISAIAH 14:18
Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

Note, now God tells us that the CEDAR trees are the people of Lebanon. You can actually do a study on this to identify all the trees of the field.
I will just do a broad outline, as my aim is to rather show you the symbolism of trees.

EZEKIEL 17:24
And all the trees of the field shall know that I the LORD have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I the LORD have spoken and have done it.

SONG OF SONGS 2:3
As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.

Here the Lord makes a direct correlation between people and Trees. So now we can see that Trees are actually a symbolism for nations of people.


EZEKIEL 31:9
I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

TREES CANNOT BE ENVIOUS. PEOPLE ARE. THE TREES IN EDEN ARE OTHER PEOPLE.

EZEKIEL 31:18
To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? Yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.

Here Ezekiel is speaking to Pharaoh, king of Egypt and his multitude. Now note, where are these trees?
In Eden! Even Pharaoh’s ancestors!

So now we know that there were more people in Eden, Adam and Eve were not alone. The Bible backs this up many times as I will show you in other posts. We also now know who the “multitudes” are that Jesus speak (pharoh and his nation)

Now let’s read Mark 8;24 again ans see level two of scripture. “And he looked up and said, “I see men as trees, walking.”

LEVEL 2 become clear. This just goes to show us that we cannot take any word or sentence in the Bible for granted as more often than not, there is a deeper meaning for us to unravel. This is why the Word is a double edged sword.

LETS TALK FRUIT

GEN 30:2
And Jacob’s anger was kindled against Rachel, and he said, “Am I in God’s stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb?”

EXODUS 21:22
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her,…

DEUT 28:4
Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body,…

ISAIAH 13:18
Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children.

Many take fruit as just spiritual fruit, but here the Bible gives a clear indication that fruit is also fruit from the body. I will keep saying this but the Bible is a TWO EDGED SWORD so both a physical and spiritual interpretation apply. In my opinion the most important interpretation is the physical one as we sin physically, not spiritually.

Let me share a symbolic fruit of a nation with you.

SONG OF SONGS 2:3
As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.

Out of all the trees God created, he refers to His beloved as the apple tree. We know that Judah is the most beloved tribe of God’s. God uses Zion and Jerusalem as other descriptive words for Judah. (Refer to 2 Kings 19:21 and Psalms 147:12 amongst others) The book of lamentations is solely dedicated to the love God has for Judah and His pain at her downfall.

In the passage below God makes a direct correlation between an apple tree and the people of Judah.

LAMENTATIONS 2:18
Their heart cried unto the Lord, O wall of the daughter of Zion, let tears run down like a river day and night: give thyself no rest; let not the apple of thine eye cease.

Where does Judah lie ?

Isaiah 18:1
Woe to the land shadowing with wings, which is beyond the rivers of Ethiopia...7 to the place of the name of the LORD of hosts, the mount (nation) Zion.

For those that have ears let them hear.
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Having knowledge and using it wisely are two different things. Being made in the image of God and knowing good from evil like God does not in any way shape form or fasion make us even close to equal with God.

What this does mean though is that we are without excuse. When a baby does something wrong, you can and should correct him, but until that baby developes the cognitive ability to understand right from wrong he remains innocent and should not be held responsible for his actions. When we do wrong, it's all on us because deep down we all know better.

This is why we are fallen. We know better, but continue to do wrong anyway. That is why we need the mercy, grace, and forgiveness that can only come from someone who is without fault. Jesus is that person. Accept Him as not just a free pass to get away with what you have done, but as the path back to the reason we were created. We were created to be with a holy God who knows good and evil and has the wisdom to know what to do with it.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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The only problem is the god you are refering to, the one depicted in the bible, IS NOT THE TRUE LOVING GOD OF CREATION. The so-called god in the bible is somebody else. It is a physical being. One of the renown from antiquity, but certainly not God. That is hilarious. The god of the bible is obviously human-like. Even without reading all of it basic psychology forces us to admit this painful truth.

God isn't a person. Never was a person. And does not leave historical newspapers for us to fret over for millenia. So who gives a shit what the bible says. Read it, understand it, but make your own decisions. Stake your claim in the universe as an independent being. This is what the galactic community is waiting for.
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OP, your question reveals a certain entanglement in traditional thinking, that which is confined to a predetermined (and very confusing (deliberately)) subset of theological nuggets. Attempts to decipher these nuggets by the uninitiated will result in oxymoronic questions that cannot be answered to anyone's satisfaction.

You have to take a look at what is being said/told and unlock that with a key, a framework of understanding that you plug the information into.

What we are to take away from the story is this:

We were once in a higher station where immortality was the norm.

We have "Fallen" into a lower station where Death is the norm.

Higher = Immortality
Lower = Death and Decay

You see one station has a positive connotation and the other has a negative.

We were "+"
We are now "-"

What caused this? The Bible says "Sin" and "knowing Good and Evil"

We know that not only do we die, but animals, insects and everything else "Alive" on Earth dies. Did they sin too?

Earth itself fell, along with the beings on it.

A higher "station" to a lower "Station"

Much like there is a magnetic field around the Earth, the Solar system, the galaxy, the universe itself there is a spiritual field with it's own polarity.

The Solar System used to reside on the ecliptic of the galaxy, in perfect balance between matter and spirit and spirit used to come and go as it pleased, immortal.

A celestial event occured that "pushed" our Solar System below the eccliptic, thus "Leaving it's station" or a "Fall" into a negative spiritual polarity position, bringing death and a large slant towards evil and animalistic behaviour to it's inhabitants.

This includes simultaneously the temptation of spiritual beings in temporary bodies to dabble in sexual/material reproduction causing spirits to be ensared into these bodies in a more permanent way.

There you have it, the "Fall" from Paradise and Man's trasition from immortality to mortality.
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Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

1. The origin of the universe is in the infinite All-consciousness that can only manifest itself in contradictions.

2. The true goal of the creation is love, and this needs at least one partner.

3. Then this partner must always have existed in the infinite, and must, according to point 1. exist out of contradictions in character and nature.
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The tree of life is Jesus.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is satan.

so you think God made all this vast and complex universe so that we don't study it? don't analyze it? God is the greatest physicist I believe He wants us to study the universe.
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The only problem is the god you are refering to, the one depicted in the bible, IS NOT THE TRUE LOVING GOD OF CREATION. The so-called god in the bible is somebody else. It is a physical being. One of the renown from antiquity, but certainly not God. That is hilarious. The god of the bible is obviously human-like. Even without reading all of it basic psychology forces us to admit this painful truth.


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you might be right. mauro biglino, an exvatican translator has a similar theory.
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Genesis 3:22-23
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: .....

23)....and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

So...

1) we became like him when we knew good and evil

2) we could of lived forever by eating the tree of life even though we had the supposed sin death curse.

I'm interested in what Christians have to say about this!
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Yep, very true. They were driven from the Garden of Eden and the tree of life so sin would NOT be perpetuated throughout eternity in God's universe! The wages of sin is DEATH, which is why DEATh came to humanity. Contrary to popular thinking we don't "go" anywhere when we die. We cease to exist until either the resurrection of life (which happens at the second coming of Jesus and is for those who are saved and have accepted Christ as their personal savior) or the resurrection of damnation, which is the resurrection for the lost who will be DESTROYED in hell fire... NOT burn on for eternity! The lost are NEVER promised eternal life, not even in an eternal burning hell! They are promised DEATH! ETERNAL DEATH! THE SECOND DEATH the Bible calls it! A death from which there is no return. Only the saved are promised eternal life. That is why THIS is our probation period. After the fall, we are here to vindicate the name of God or say Satan is right and we can't overcome through the power of God. WE choose who we will serve and we CHOOSE where we will be after our life here is over, however, those who choose to remain in sin and "claim" to be a follower of Christ will have a rude awakening if they cling to those sins which nailed Jesus to the cross. We must OVERCOME, through the power God gives us through the holy spirit because if God allows sin back into heaven he'd have to take satan and the whole evil slew of demons back too, and I can assure you, that's not happening! Don't ever let anyone tell you satan is stronger than God! Satan can tempt but satan can NOT make us do something we don't want to do! God is more powerful!
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I am not so sure that God want's any of us humans in a "burning hell", He loves us all and offers forgiveness, hell could be separation from God.

Nice close re: satan, that's the truth for sure!
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The tree of life is Jesus.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is satan.

Trees in Eden represent other people.

Let us look at trees and their symbolism so we can start to unravel the mystery of the Garden of Eden and the Cedars of Lebanon as found in The Holy Bible.

MARK 8:24
And he looked up and said, “I see men as trees, walking.”

JUDGES 9:8
The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, “Reign thou over us.”9:9 But the olive tree said unto them, “Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?” 9:10 And the trees said to the fig tree, “Come thou, and reign over us.”9:11 But the fig tree said unto them, “Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees?” 9:12 Then said the trees unto the vine, “Come thou, and reign over us.’ 9:13 And the vine said unto them, “Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?”

Didn’t that form quite a humorous scenario with all these trees Interacting and speaking to each other?

The Lord tells us how to think when we read the Bible, when you look up the word ” WORD” or “SAYINGS” in the New Testament it means LOGOS.

Therefore we know we must apply LOGIC. So logically, can a tree move (walk) or speak or reign?

The answer is no, but people can do these things.
Now read the following passage relating it to people (nations)

ISAIAH 55:12
For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.

Can trees do these things?” Logically, absolutely not.

ISAIAH 14:18
Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

Note, now God tells us that the CEDAR trees are the people of Lebanon. You can actually do a study on this to identify all the trees of the field.
I will just do a broad outline, as my aim is to rather show you the symbolism of trees.

EZEKIEL 17:24
And all the trees of the field shall know that I the LORD have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I the LORD have spoken and have done it.

SONG OF SONGS 2:3
As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.

Here the Lord makes a direct correlation between people and Trees. So now we can see that Trees are actually a symbolism for nations of people.


EZEKIEL 31:9
I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

TREES CANNOT BE ENVIOUS. PEOPLE ARE. THE TREES IN EDEN ARE OTHER PEOPLE.

EZEKIEL 31:18
To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? Yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.

Here Ezekiel is speaking to Pharaoh, king of Egypt and his multitude. Now note, where are these trees?
In Eden! Even Pharaoh’s ancestors!

So now we know that there were more people in Eden, Adam and Eve were not alone. The Bible backs this up many times as I will show you in other posts. We also now know who the “multitudes” are that Jesus speak (pharoh and his nation)

Now let’s read Mark 8;24 again ans see level two of scripture. “And he looked up and said, “I see men as trees, walking.”

LEVEL 2 become clear. This just goes to show us that we cannot take any word or sentence in the Bible for granted as more often than not, there is a deeper meaning for us to unravel. This is why the Word is a double edged sword.

LETS TALK FRUIT

GEN 30:2
And Jacob’s anger was kindled against Rachel, and he said, “Am I in God’s stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb?”

EXODUS 21:22
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her,…

DEUT 28:4
Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body,…

ISAIAH 13:18
Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children.

Many take fruit as just spiritual fruit, but here the Bible gives a clear indication that fruit is also fruit from the body. I will keep saying this but the Bible is a TWO EDGED SWORD so both a physical and spiritual interpretation apply. In my opinion the most important interpretation is the physical one as we sin physically, not spiritually.

Let me share a symbolic fruit of a nation with you.

SONG OF SONGS 2:3
As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.

Out of all the trees God created, he refers to His beloved as the apple tree. We know that Judah is the most beloved tribe of God’s. God uses Zion and Jerusalem as other descriptive words for Judah. (Refer to 2 Kings 19:21 and Psalms 147:12 amongst others) The book of lamentations is solely dedicated to the love God has for Judah and His pain at her downfall.

In the passage below God makes a direct correlation between an apple tree and the people of Judah.

LAMENTATIONS 2:18
Their heart cried unto the Lord, O wall of the daughter of Zion, let tears run down like a river day and night: give thyself no rest; let not the apple of thine eye cease.

Where does Judah lie ?

Isaiah 18:1
Woe to the land shadowing with wings, which is beyond the rivers of Ethiopia...7 to the place of the name of the LORD of hosts, the mount (nation) Zion.

For those that have ears let them hear.
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Nice post SA,

Thank you for sharing.
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Genesis 3:22-23
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: .....

23)....and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

So...

1) we became like him when we knew good and evil

2) we could of lived forever by eating the tree of life even though we had the supposed sin death curse.

I'm interested in what Christians have to say about this!
 Quoting: Dynoman 16065609


The Word actually says that they will KNOW good and evil...NOT that they will be gods.

Satan used the 'ye will be as god's' trick/LIE on them.

They were NEVER gods...they were originally created to be immortal, but after the fall, they were allowed to die in an act of mercy by God. Had they remained physically immortal, they would have suffered physical deterioration for eternity by their sin.

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