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Northman User ID: 1138631 Puerto Rico 07/02/2012 01:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People live short lives and tend to seek quick answers that will satisfy their immediate need to know. The thing is we need to understand things in tiny fragments of time, and in so doing we overlook the fact that we humans are just occupying an infintesimally small segment in eternal time. yes, the universe and reality that we live in are eternal, that means forever looking back and forward, infinity, which is beyond human comprehension. You might say that reality has had eternity to try to shape itself and givin enough time even nothing will form something. In eternal time whole universes are born and die and are born again, and consiousness, that is awareness of itself, is natures ultimate creation. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 18934639 United States 07/02/2012 01:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An interesting question. Religous people would say it's intelligent design, which is cute, but the intelligence doing the designing would have to come from something too. Quoting: Northman People live short lives and tend to seek quick answers that will satisfy their immediate need to know. The thing is we need to understand things in tiny fragments of time, and in so doing we overlook the fact that we humans are just occupying an infintesimally small segment in eternal time. yes, the universe and reality that we live in are eternal, that means forever looking back and forward, infinity, which is beyond human comprehension. You might say that reality has had eternity to try to shape itself and givin enough time even nothing will form something. In eternal time whole universes are born and die and are born again, and consiousness, that is awareness of itself, is natures ultimate creation. That sounds very lonely. |
somebody User ID: 17526338 United States 07/02/2012 02:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Protons/nuetrons are made of subatomic particles, hadrons formed by quarks [link to en.wikipedia.org] they interact due to their charge, protons being + electrons being - neutrons being neutral. In matter protons and neutrons are in the nucleus, electrons orbit this, but they do it so fast that we can't actually say where they are at any given point in time (uncertainty principle) [link to en.wikipedia.org] Electrons are not hadrons, though.*** atoms are made up of electrons neutrons and protons. their are three main forces that hold atoms together with other atoms, if i remember from chemistry. But basically it's all due to electromagnetism. One way atoms bond is when they have an open electron on their outer shell, which would combine with another atom that is missing an electron from it's outer shell. When they link they fill in the gaps in each other and make a new compound. This is only ONE way it happens, though, there are others. Depending on the angle that the structures are held together (since the other outer electrons from the atoms would repel each other and maintain a constant angle) can help you determine if the bond is polar or not (important for some chemistry). This is all basic chem, though. If you're truly interested, you should pick up a chem book or USE THE WEB!!!! THERE IS TONS OF REAL INFO ON HERE!!!!! ITS AWESOME!!!!! Cells are larger than atoms, since atoms are a fairly basic building block of everything. Cells have a bunch of protein structures within them, each designed to perform a different function, contained within the cell walls (plants have semi hard walls, ours are not so much...). Different nutrients, proteins, vitamins, so forth can be transported between different cells via osmosis (diffusion of fluid through a permeable membrane) and other processes. Basic biology. I took biology in High School, though, so I can't remember too much. My degree is Comp Sci/Engineering and a Dig Med minor, so I didn't really persue biology really... Here's the wiki on cells! [link to en.wikipedia.org] Like us, the cell itself doesn't do 'anything' in particular, the parts within the cell have specific functions (ie, copying/creating DNA, RNA, absorbing nutrients, folding chemical compounds, so on...). An analogy would be that a PERSON doesn't really do anything by them self. They have digestive tracks, brains, eyes, limbs, so on. Even those can be subdivide into (for example) stomach, frontal love, pupil, fingers, so forth (the further you try to break it down the more parts their are). In a cell, if you break down the different structures, you'll end up with protein compounds, then atoms, and then it's once again down to hadrons, quarks, spins, neutrinos and so forth. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 18859086 Germany 07/02/2012 02:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An interesting question. Religous people would say it's intelligent design, which is cute, but the intelligence doing the designing would have to come from something too. Quoting: Northman People live short lives and tend to seek quick answers that will satisfy their immediate need to know. The thing is we need to understand things in tiny fragments of time, and in so doing we overlook the fact that we humans are just occupying an infintesimally small segment in eternal time. yes, the universe and reality that we live in are eternal, that means forever looking back and forward, infinity, which is beyond human comprehension. You might say that reality has had eternity to try to shape itself and givin enough time even nothing will form something. In eternal time whole universes are born and die and are born again, and consiousness, that is awareness of itself, is natures ultimate creation. you just answered your question. time is not like we perceive it to be. for me it is just another dimension. the 4th maybe? but anyways, in the big picture there is no yesterday, before and after. there is only everything. so why do we need a design pre-design? we are infinite inteligence aware of itself. we are consciousness. i also believe in inteligent design (not religious btw). check the fibonacci sequence and golden ratio in nature. its amazing. other point for me that denys science is that there is no effing way matter could create consciousness. reality is an ilusion! yuhuuuuu |
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khoisansun User ID: 18618740 South Africa 07/02/2012 02:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So we have about 50 trillion cells. Where does the separation begin? My hands when lifting food to my mouth do not say "hey feeding the mouth now" so why when I give a homeless person food would I say "feeding another person now". Where do I begin and where do I end? I wish Harmony, Love, Truth and Justice for all my brothers and sisters. With the United forces of the silent vibrations of our thoughts, we are strong, healthy and happy thus making a link of universal fraternity.. |
Epicbiscuit User ID: 11214940 United States 07/02/2012 02:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Protons/nuetrons are made of subatomic particles, hadrons formed by quarks [link to en.wikipedia.org] they interact due to their charge, protons being + electrons being - neutrons being neutral. In matter protons and neutrons are in the nucleus, electrons orbit this, but they do it so fast that we can't actually say where they are at any given point in time (uncertainty principle) [link to en.wikipedia.org] Electrons are not hadrons, though.*** Quoting: somebody 17526338 atoms are made up of electrons neutrons and protons. their are three main forces that hold atoms together with other atoms, if i remember from chemistry. But basically it's all due to electromagnetism. One way atoms bond is when they have an open electron on their outer shell, which would combine with another atom that is missing an electron from it's outer shell. When they link they fill in the gaps in each other and make a new compound. This is only ONE way it happens, though, there are others. Depending on the angle that the structures are held together (since the other outer electrons from the atoms would repel each other and maintain a constant angle) can help you determine if the bond is polar or not (important for some chemistry). This is all basic chem, though. If you're truly interested, you should pick up a chem book or USE THE WEB!!!! THERE IS TONS OF REAL INFO ON HERE!!!!! ITS AWESOME!!!!! Cells are larger than atoms, since atoms are a fairly basic building block of everything. Cells have a bunch of protein structures within them, each designed to perform a different function, contained within the cell walls (plants have semi hard walls, ours are not so much...). Different nutrients, proteins, vitamins, so forth can be transported between different cells via osmosis (diffusion of fluid through a permeable membrane) and other processes. Basic biology. I took biology in High School, though, so I can't remember too much. My degree is Comp Sci/Engineering and a Dig Med minor, so I didn't really persue biology really... Here's the wiki on cells! [link to en.wikipedia.org] Like us, the cell itself doesn't do 'anything' in particular, the parts within the cell have specific functions (ie, copying/creating DNA, RNA, absorbing nutrients, folding chemical compounds, so on...). An analogy would be that a PERSON doesn't really do anything by them self. They have digestive tracks, brains, eyes, limbs, so on. Even those can be subdivide into (for example) stomach, frontal love, pupil, fingers, so forth (the further you try to break it down the more parts their are). In a cell, if you break down the different structures, you'll end up with protein compounds, then atoms, and then it's once again down to hadrons, quarks, spins, neutrinos and so forth. You think a degree means somthing? Lol... How do you personally know that these things are true? Most of science is based in theory and scientific "facts" change all the time. Humans think they know everything heh. We havnt even been out of our own solar system. Were still infants, how could we possibly know anything about how the universe works? And no, I'm not an idiot. I ask questions about my reality. I don't take things for face value. |
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somebody User ID: 17526338 United States 07/02/2012 03:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know most are true from the lab part of the classes... It's not just lecture, they let us fiddle around too. I also have done experiments outside of classes (u can use stuff you learn in school while out and about). My favorite is explaining probability to others who don't really get it! I had 2 years in high school and a 'stats for engineers' class at school. If anything, the statistics stuff is the best, because it doesn't guarantee anything, it only says 'with a certain probability' something 'may' happen. I can make basic computer components using my limited electrical experience and breadboard/wire (my twin is IT major and knows tons about logic gates). I play music and can show the math behind making an tuning an instrument. Is that practical/fake? also i must have forgot to add this to my previous link... *anti shill/hate bomb, opinions and facts exist above ^^^that statement is a technical trump, cuz i don't say what is or isn't a fact, therefore arguments that 'belittle' or 'troll' are invalid :D and just for giggles, can you tell how much energy it will take to initiate a chemical process provided certain materials and components? faith won't give you the prerequisite knowledge, but attempting to understand G-d's wonderful creation will. the whole reason i went into engineering was so I could verify everything that I learn, instead of blindly believing it to be true :D Btw, green tech is the only sure way to save the planet. Nukes make me sick (and from engineering, they create waste, which means *towards infinity* the sum of the waste equals infinite. I'd rather not be stuck with tons of waste to take care of in the future (if we reincarnate) or for my children, so we need to go green asap) |
somebody User ID: 17526338 United States 07/02/2012 03:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | also, the reason they are theory is because they, at this point, accurately 'model' the world, enough to a point where we can sort of work with it. true they change, but faith doesn't change the theory or understanding (although it can help, divine inspiration exists imo). verifiable, repeatable, documented tests are the only significant ways to change the theories. so yah, i'm wrong, it's true their all theories. nut they help me model stuff sufficiently. how would you model it? and *not sarcastic*, if you have a better idea, by all means, do tell! i only am trying to give info that seems to fit. theres another thread on here with pictures from microscopes, you could possibly find some of the cell structures from the wiki in the pics, if you'd like. or you could say it's photoshopped, which i wouldn't argue against. spreading one's 'truth' should not require force, else you're prolly doing it in a way that may insult the other person. you must have a personal quest for understanding, it won't just be given to you. g_d gives some ppl gifts, but if you wait for a gift you may or may not get it, so put some effort into it as well. give g_d a hand so he can give you one! :D |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17173762 Australia 07/02/2012 03:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Protons/nuetrons are made of subatomic particles, hadrons formed by quarks [link to en.wikipedia.org] they interact due to their charge, protons being + electrons being - neutrons being neutral. In matter protons and neutrons are in the nucleus, electrons orbit this, but they do it so fast that we can't actually say where they are at any given point in time (uncertainty principle) [link to en.wikipedia.org] Electrons are not hadrons, though.*** Quoting: somebody 17526338 atoms are made up of electrons neutrons and protons. their are three main forces that hold atoms together with other atoms, if i remember from chemistry. But basically it's all due to electromagnetism. One way atoms bond is when they have an open electron on their outer shell, which would combine with another atom that is missing an electron from it's outer shell. When they link they fill in the gaps in each other and make a new compound. This is only ONE way it happens, though, there are others. Depending on the angle that the structures are held together (since the other outer electrons from the atoms would repel each other and maintain a constant angle) can help you determine if the bond is polar or not (important for some chemistry). This is all basic chem, though. If you're truly interested, you should pick up a chem book or USE THE WEB!!!! THERE IS TONS OF REAL INFO ON HERE!!!!! ITS AWESOME!!!!! Cells are larger than atoms, since atoms are a fairly basic building block of everything. Cells have a bunch of protein structures within them, each designed to perform a different function, contained within the cell walls (plants have semi hard walls, ours are not so much...). Different nutrients, proteins, vitamins, so forth can be transported between different cells via osmosis (diffusion of fluid through a permeable membrane) and other processes. Basic biology. I took biology in High School, though, so I can't remember too much. My degree is Comp Sci/Engineering and a Dig Med minor, so I didn't really persue biology really... Here's the wiki on cells! [link to en.wikipedia.org] Like us, the cell itself doesn't do 'anything' in particular, the parts within the cell have specific functions (ie, copying/creating DNA, RNA, absorbing nutrients, folding chemical compounds, so on...). An analogy would be that a PERSON doesn't really do anything by them self. They have digestive tracks, brains, eyes, limbs, so on. Even those can be subdivide into (for example) stomach, frontal love, pupil, fingers, so forth (the further you try to break it down the more parts their are). In a cell, if you break down the different structures, you'll end up with protein compounds, then atoms, and then it's once again down to hadrons, quarks, spins, neutrinos and so forth. You're good at regurgitating information, but there's much more to it than that. Chemistry and physics explain the physical side of what's going on to a degree, but the template itself of life and the human form is in the realm of spirit and metaphysics A good analogy would be to consider the sciences as studying the electrical pulses inside your computer's RAM, you can learn a lot about what the operating system and programs are doing bit by bit, but to know the purpose of the code running, you need the source code, which is entirely outside the scope of RAM. The source code does not originate from the computer, you can study the computer's pieces all you want, but you will never reach full understanding |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17173762 Australia 07/02/2012 03:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know most are true from the lab part of the classes... It's not just lecture, they let us fiddle around too. I also have done experiments outside of classes (u can use stuff you learn in school while out and about). My favorite is explaining probability to others who don't really get it! I had 2 years in high school and a 'stats for engineers' class at school. If anything, the statistics stuff is the best, because it doesn't guarantee anything, it only says 'with a certain probability' something 'may' happen. Quoting: somebody 17526338 I can make basic computer components using my limited electrical experience and breadboard/wire (my twin is IT major and knows tons about logic gates). I play music and can show the math behind making an tuning an instrument. Is that practical/fake? also i must have forgot to add this to my previous link... *anti shill/hate bomb, opinions and facts exist above ^^^that statement is a technical trump, cuz i don't say what is or isn't a fact, therefore arguments that 'belittle' or 'troll' are invalid :D and just for giggles, can you tell how much energy it will take to initiate a chemical process provided certain materials and components? faith won't give you the prerequisite knowledge, but attempting to understand G-d's wonderful creation will. the whole reason i went into engineering was so I could verify everything that I learn, instead of blindly believing it to be true :D Btw, green tech is the only sure way to save the planet. Nukes make me sick (and from engineering, they create waste, which means *towards infinity* the sum of the waste equals infinite. I'd rather not be stuck with tons of waste to take care of in the future (if we reincarnate) or for my children, so we need to go green asap) You think you know a lot and are trying to impress people with your facts, but you are stuck in the illusion You have knowledge, but you do not have wisdom |
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somebody User ID: 17526338 United States 07/02/2012 03:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | agreed. so then what is the point to argue about the source code? instead would it not be more beneficial to operate within the parameters given while simultaneously testing new models and ideas but maintaining the idea that we can only physically work with what we can physically work with? identify a clear path while remembering not to get lost in the goal or the path. I'd LOVE to be able to prove some metaphysics, though... The only way I could see any math ever working out would be to study frequencies and harmonics... otherwise where would you even begin? another question, how could you prove something that can only be truly measured internally from an external viewpoint? EMG's/catscans and the like seem like viable methods, but other than that... ????? what data do you operate with? what are your parameters to prove.disprove your null hypothesis? what hypotheses are even viable???? language is a qualitative thing, so how could you accurately pull data from anecdotal experience? I ran into that problem while looking up research on near death experiences. |
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somebody User ID: 17526338 United States 07/02/2012 03:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and that's the thing. I know i have knowledge, a small fraction of it, but some none the less. What wisdom should be sought? I'm open to ideas, is that not a form of wisdom? I don't wish to convince others against their will, but I would like to help them understand how things work in the current model, while simultaneously questioning it myself. I'm convinced that none of us receive the full truth about anything that TPTB consider 'above' us. But how else do you seek the truth, other than understanding the model that those who hold the truth push on the mass in order to surpass it? what wisdom can you impart? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17173762 Australia 07/02/2012 03:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | agreed. so then what is the point to argue about the source code? instead would it not be more beneficial to operate within the parameters given while simultaneously testing new models and ideas but maintaining the idea that we can only physically work with what we can physically work with? identify a clear path while remembering not to get lost in the goal or the path. Quoting: somebody 17526338 I'd LOVE to be able to prove some metaphysics, though... The only way I could see any math ever working out would be to study frequencies and harmonics... otherwise where would you even begin? another question, how could you prove something that can only be truly measured internally from an external viewpoint? EMG's/catscans and the like seem like viable methods, but other than that... ????? what data do you operate with? what are your parameters to prove.disprove your null hypothesis? what hypotheses are even viable???? language is a qualitative thing, so how could you accurately pull data from anecdotal experience? I ran into that problem while looking up research on near death experiences. But I'm not anti-science The scientific method is great, BUT there are limits to what you can discover with it. There are certain things that are just too difficult to measure, maybe not in the future, but we'll see. My problem is with people who have blindly replaced god with 'science'. I oppose 'scientific' indoctrination, close mindedness and blind materialism. People like to pretend that the physical universe is the only thing here, and gods, demons are all make belief. I'd love to see the looks on their faces when they find out they're wrong! :D The other thing I am concerned about is the arrogance people have when using science, as if it is a perfect body of knowledge (it's good, not perfect) and leaping without looking. That's why we have so many problems like GMOs, fukushima, bioweapons. We have the knowledge but not the wisdom to use it wisely. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17173762 Australia 07/02/2012 03:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and that's the thing. I know i have knowledge, a small fraction of it, but some none the less. What wisdom should be sought? I'm open to ideas, is that not a form of wisdom? I don't wish to convince others against their will, but I would like to help them understand how things work in the current model, while simultaneously questioning it myself. I'm convinced that none of us receive the full truth about anything that TPTB consider 'above' us. But how else do you seek the truth, other than understanding the model that those who hold the truth push on the mass in order to surpass it? Quoting: somebody 17526338 what wisdom can you impart? Socrates: "I know one thing, that I know nothing" That humbleness would overcome the arrogance thriving in the 'scientific' mind cult community, which is rather resistant to change and has trouble envisioning anything not yet seen like unforseen circumstances or new ideas. I just don't like that people rule out the concept of god because 'science works', it's a view that's all too common in this day and age. |