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If we go to war with Iran over the straight, then I am no longer a real American

 
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WOW bump I didn't know they were going to block their own borders not the whole straight. I doubled checked and saw that you were right
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Then take your ass to Iran or NK.. and take the rest of the bleeding hearts with you
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America is all about invading inocent countries and killing inocent people.

It always was.

So, OP is really un-American...
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i dont think anybody cares if your an american,actually you can take the next plane out of country,nobody will care.5a
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But he will be a real american forever:








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We don't even get our oil from there so why should we do anything to keep it flowing for the Eurotrash???


It's the principle of interferring with international waterways and that has never been considered as belonging only to Iran.
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so you don't get your oil from Saudi Arabia? The oil from M.E has the best quality FYI
it's not that you get oil from there, but the oil companies have invested billions of $$ in America. alot of them are American companies. if they get screwed, America will get screwed.
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i dont think anybody cares if your an american,actually you can take the next plane out of country,nobody will care.5a
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if i'm not mistaking, he meant that the real America is over. America today is just an imperialist nation that bullies countries around. and their motto "You're either with us, or against us"

I love Americans, but their foreign policy is a bit lets just say SCARY
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agent Dubya5 over..I got another FEMA volunteer, over..



Good post OP hf
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Then take your ass to Iran or NK.. and take the rest of the bleeding hearts with you
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^^^THIS^^^ OP was not an American the moment this thread was created!!
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so unless you agree in advance to anything your government might do anywhere, ever, you're not "an American"?
 Quoting: Swinburnian


I wouldn't say anywhere or ever, but I know that if the strait is closed and America does nothing....the bitching about "why didn't America do anything" will be never ending.

I know my country does not always make the right decisions, and I know we have done "wrongs" in the past....but dammit, I feel as an American, I expect my country to TRY to do the right thing.....and keeping Iran in check, is the right thing IMHO. I feel deep down, that the world would never forgive us if we don't.
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it doesnt matter. The world is wrong. just because the world needs America to do their dirty work, should America interfere ?

as a human perspective; no it's wrong to go to war with Iran over closing the straight
as a political and $$ perspective; America should go to war with Iran

OP is upset because America doesnt care about the morals anymore, but $$$
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The Golden Rule:

“do not treat people in a way you would not wish to be treated yourself”
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there are no innocent countries
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Yes, there are.

Most of the countries are inocent countries.

A handful of criminal countries, like the USA, love to attack and invade inocent countries.

The USA leads a gang of international criminals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19046750


i stand corrected then. if you could provide me with a list of the criminal countries i'd apreciate it -- i could plan vacations more easily that way. do innocent countries ever become criminal ones, or is this us criminal/most countries innocent arrangement permanent?
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When did Brazil militarily attacked another country, or plotted to help any act of agression against another country, in the past 100 years?
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that makes the brazilian state "innocent"? OK
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honestly, if iran closes the straight they will fuck with the world including China and Russia.
but it's funny how the good ol US (including the world) wants to attack Iran for closing the straight while our country has every right to go sanction others. We blockaded Japan ffs and we had every right to do so. Look how angry the Japs got and look how we call it madness when attack on Peral Harbor happened.

If Iran blockades the straight they are doing it because of us, which they only bloc the waters in their national borders. they wouldn't do it on OMAN's waters. however ships cant really go through Oman's waters since it is too shallow for them to pass.
who the fuck is the world to sanction Iran and use its waters to ship oil out. If the world is going to war with Iran for doing what something our country would have done, then i hope Iran totally wins.

they have every right to block that artery.
I swear, if we go attack Iran for what they about to do to us, like what we did to Japan in WW2, and then when we attack their "Pearl Harbor" I guess I shoulnt be calling my self an American anymore, i will lose hope in America, the America that I used to remember.
Because if we ever do that, then everything we have blamed and fought, and died for, will be OVER.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19016521


Nice knowing ya

Buh Bye

Send a post card from BF nowhere one day when you wake up to reality

If you had a house that sat in a valley pass to a field full of turnips and you tried to stop hungry people from walking through that pass to harvest them even though they belonged to a completely different set of neighbors and one group was hungry and the other group needed the money you'd soon find your house burned to the ground... and you'd deserve it.

so please leave, go to Iran... I heard the forecast calls 1500 degree temperatures this year
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Yes, there are.

Most of the countries are inocent countries.

A handful of criminal countries, like the USA, love to attack and invade inocent countries.

The USA leads a gang of international criminals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19046750


i stand corrected then. if you could provide me with a list of the criminal countries i'd apreciate it -- i could plan vacations more easily that way. do innocent countries ever become criminal ones, or is this us criminal/most countries innocent arrangement permanent?
 Quoting: Swinburnian



When did Brazil militarily attacked another country, or plotted to help any act of agression against another country, in the past 100 years?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19046750


that makes the brazilian state "innocent"? OK
 Quoting: Swinburnian


Eh cut it out, the only issues (the top poster) with this country should be concerned about are the internal ones.

It's natural for the globe to slowly come together and the only way that happens is first regionally. Small piss ant nations run by fanatics insane dictators etc etc et al have their days number...

and last poster is right, Brazil isn't innocent everyone knows they have an eye on the SA continent as a whole
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i dont think anybody cares if your an american,actually you can take the next plane out of country,nobody will care.5a
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if i'm not mistaking, he meant that the real America is over. America today is just an imperialist nation that bullies countries around. and their motto "You're either with us, or against us"

I love Americans, but their foreign policy is a bit lets just say SCARY
 Quoting: IMAX


stop it

with less than 40 million people occupying the 2nd largest land area nation in the world Canada would exist for less than a decade without US policy, the over run of Canada would start in under a week if we weren't assholes about it and you'd all be speaking chinese overnight, not by war... simple influx of people who need land. Same goes for OZ

40 Million people, less than the state of California or roughly 2x the population of Israel which is the size of a large city... all those resources to your self, how do you suppose you hold onto them? The Mounties defending you? Or USA

Offer up the Saskatchatoon lol... as the new Palestinian state if you give a shit so much
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Iran has the right to close it.

If the USA attacks Iran, it's unjustified aggression.

No matter if the USA wins the war. It will still be an unjustified aggression.

The fact that you win the war doesn't make it a "fair" war. It's still a criminal aggression.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19046750


All war is criminal aggression

Iran and almost every single nation in the region has attacked Israel or fought with it's neighbors for the same sorts of reasons we do now.

China and India need land based oil pipelines to sustain themselves the history of trade abuse and the inability to get along and allow west and east to trade effectively goes back to the silk road, the stability in the region has never been maintained among these people ever in the history of the world.

China nor India gives a Flying poo outside of some bs comments at the UN what we do to achieve that in Fact China has financially supported us for the last 10 years while speaking out the other side of their mouth for political purpose India we flat out helped with their Nuclear program the reality of what is wanted is right there.

No one really "loves" the idea of America doing this... but at the same time, everyone Hates the concept of religious fanatics with Nukes and Oil power at their doorstep even worse

Legal? Illegal? Laws are determined by the majority
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Then OP, you should turn everyone gay to stop the war and be a real American.

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i dont think anybody cares if your an american,actually you can take the next plane out of country,nobody will care.5a
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if i'm not mistaking, he meant that the real America is over. America today is just an imperialist nation that bullies countries around. and their motto "You're either with us, or against us"

I love Americans, but their foreign policy is a bit lets just say SCARY
 Quoting: IMAX


stop it

with less than 40 million people occupying the 2nd largest land area nation in the world Canada would exist for less than a decade without US policy, the over run of Canada would start in under a week if we weren't assholes about it and you'd all be speaking chinese overnight, not by war... simple influx of people who need land. Same goes for OZ

40 Million people, less than the state of California or roughly 2x the population of Israel which is the size of a large city... all those resources to your self, how do you suppose you hold onto them? The Mounties defending you? Or USA

Offer up the Saskatchatoon lol... as the new Palestinian state if you give a shit so much
 Quoting: sd 17605779

did i say i hate america? i know America has our back, and even if the US goes to war we will go to war with in Iran. i'm joining the army this summer. so god know if i'd be joining you guys in the gulf later on.
you misunderstood the op. he said that if America goes to this war than he'll "not be a a real American" that doesnt mean he doesnt want to.

Just like what Jesse Ventura has to say about his country. Your government lies to you guys and now they have been using tortures to get answers (false answers). The America that was against it. If you don't stop it now you'll end up having a dictator running your country under martial law, soldiers arresting civilians then maybe a 100 years later America could turn into a new Syria. So becareful..
Read his post again. America is going to do the same thing to Iran what Japan did to pearl harbor because of the blockade. This time the world is asking America to do it.

So I'm with op on this one. if we go to war with Iran, then what difference does it make us from the Japanese in WW2?
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Then OP, you should turn everyone gay to stop the war and be a real American.

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LMFAO good one
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wont break my heart if you leave.
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bump
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wow it never came to my mind that I would receive so much hate from my fellow Americans.
did you even read my post, or just the fucking title?
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i dont think anybody cares if your an american,actually you can take the next plane out of country,nobody will care.5a
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if i'm not mistaking, he meant that the real America is over. America today is just an imperialist nation that bullies countries around. and their motto "You're either with us, or against us"

I love Americans, but their foreign policy is a bit lets just say SCARY
 Quoting: IMAX


stop it

with less than 40 million people occupying the 2nd largest land area nation in the world Canada would exist for less than a decade without US policy, the over run of Canada would start in under a week if we weren't assholes about it and you'd all be speaking chinese overnight, not by war... simple influx of people who need land. Same goes for OZ

40 Million people, less than the state of California or roughly 2x the population of Israel which is the size of a large city... all those resources to your self, how do you suppose you hold onto them? The Mounties defending you? Or USA

Offer up the Saskatchatoon lol... as the new Palestinian state if you give a shit so much
 Quoting: sd 17605779

did i say i hate america? i know America has our back, and even if the US goes to war we will go to war with in Iran. i'm joining the army this summer. so god know if i'd be joining you guys in the gulf later on.
you misunderstood the op. he said that if America goes to this war than he'll "not be a a real American" that doesnt mean he doesnt want to.

Just like what Jesse Ventura has to say about his country. Your government lies to you guys and now they have been using tortures to get answers (false answers). The America that was against it. If you don't stop it now you'll end up having a dictator running your country under martial law, soldiers arresting civilians then maybe a 100 years later America could turn into a new Syria. So becareful..
Read his post again. America is going to do the same thing to Iran what Japan did to pearl harbor because of the blockade. This time the world is asking America to do it.

So I'm with op on this one. if we go to war with Iran, then what difference does it make us from the Japanese in WW2?
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Thank You for your support and understanding.
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This person has a valid point....the united states is the worlds biggest bully....I don't consider myself an amerikan any longer...its too embarrassing.
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Leave then, and renounce your citizenship at the door.
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Actually it's not possible to renounce at the border. You have to do it at a U.S. consulate in a foreign country.
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If that is the way you feel then maybe your were never meant to be an American in the first place. Defect to Iran I am sure they would take you and love the great publicity.
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REAL Americans hate everyone the Jewishes tell us to hate. flag waver
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i dont think anybody cares if your an american,actually you can take the next plane out of country,nobody will care.5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1025215


if i'm not mistaking, he meant that the real America is over. America today is just an imperialist nation that bullies countries around. and their motto "You're either with us, or against us"

I love Americans, but their foreign policy is a bit lets just say SCARY
 Quoting: IMAX


stop it

with less than 40 million people occupying the 2nd largest land area nation in the world Canada would exist for less than a decade without US policy, the over run of Canada would start in under a week if we weren't assholes about it and you'd all be speaking chinese overnight, not by war... simple influx of people who need land. Same goes for OZ

40 Million people, less than the state of California or roughly 2x the population of Israel which is the size of a large city... all those resources to your self, how do you suppose you hold onto them? The Mounties defending you? Or USA

Offer up the Saskatchatoon lol... as the new Palestinian state if you give a shit so much
 Quoting: sd 17605779



would you still call yourself a real American, if we end up with a tyranny ruling our country, torturing civilians, take our freedom of speech (which is starting to happen btw), go attack any country that are against our political stance?
Or would you then call your self an American that wish you had the old America back which our founding father fought and died for to give us the freedom and liberty that we stand for?

is this war really about Nukes? why aren't we going to war with North Korea then? I am 100% on that one. hell I'll be first in line in the march to invade that fucked up communist country that has already threatened the US (with Nukes) and our allies (South Korea, Japan)

Why Iran? Fanatical government with Nukes? are u kidding me?
what do you have to say about Pakistan (with fanatical government with sharia laws) that poses nukes? whom its president is a bullet away for those Nukes to get into the hands of crazy fundamentalists like the Taliban that want our destruction? And FYI Saudi Arabia, our "Friend" have been funding Sunni Terrorist to attack us Americans. 12 out of those 15 hijackers were Saudi Arabians on 9/11.
Al-Quida, Taliban, Jandallah, are all funded by the Saudi Royals. why aren't we going to invade them?

Why is Israel our best buddy and ready to die for while we have tons of greater allies whom don't get welfare, or order our presidents around, or commit criminal acts that they get away with every single time?
I don't wanna go to Iran, I want my country back. I want the Country that my grandfather died for fighting, the country that my brother and I are serving for and ready to die for BACK.

I want America back god Dammit
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If that is the way you feel then maybe your were never meant to be an American in the first place. Defect to Iran I am sure they would take you and love the great publicity.
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REAL Americans hate everyone the Jewishes tell us to hate. flag waver
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Here Here flag waver
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The Golden Rule:

“do not treat people in a way you would not wish to be treated yourself”
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If the flow of oil is disrupted and people cant get to work, transfer their goods to market, ship food to the grocery store shelves, produce energy...and America goes into total anarchy and chaos....you might rethink your position at that time op
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Iran has the right to close it.

If the USA attacks Iran, it's unjustified aggression.

No matter if the USA wins the war. It will still be an unjustified aggression.

The fact that you win the war doesn't make it a "fair" war. It's still a criminal aggression.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19046750


All war is criminal aggression

Iran and almost every single nation in the region has attacked Israel or fought with it's neighbors for the same sorts of reasons we do now.

China and India need land based oil pipelines to sustain themselves the history of trade abuse and the inability to get along and allow west and east to trade effectively goes back to the silk road, the stability in the region has never been maintained among these people ever in the history of the world.

China nor India gives a Flying poo outside of some bs comments at the UN what we do to achieve that in Fact China has financially supported us for the last 10 years while speaking out the other side of their mouth for political purpose India we flat out helped with their Nuclear program the reality of what is wanted is right there.

No one really "loves" the idea of America doing this... but at the same time, everyone Hates the concept of religious fanatics with Nukes and Oil power at their doorstep even worse

Legal? Illegal? Laws are determined by the majority
 Quoting: sd 17605779


oh just one more thing i forgot to mention
If it wasn't for what America did to Iran's democracy back in 1953 and installed a dictator, we wouldn't have had to face this problem today. So we go around fuck people's countries up then when we face a blow back, we still go and fuck their country's up to bring "Democracy" did you see what i just did there?. Oh Boy..Our founding fathers would be so proud
America today is like a teenager with a Gun.
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Iran has the right to close it.

If the USA attacks Iran, it's unjustified aggression.

No matter if the USA wins the war. It will still be an unjustified aggression.

The fact that you win the war doesn't make it a "fair" war. It's still a criminal aggression.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19046750


I'm against these oil wars too but if Iran closes the strait Oil prices will go through the roof. There are people who make their money through military contracts and the want Romney in so any conflict is a win to them. Yes, they are savages and unnatural but that is the nature of these people in these American towns whose economy depends on military contracts. The philosophical choice to tun from war will happen only after America and Europeans in general get their asses kicked mightily.

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