If we go to war with Iran over the straight, then I am no longer a real American

you mad bro?

^^THIS^^

i dont think anybody cares if your an american,actually you can take the next plane out of country,nobody will care.

But he will be a real american forever:

so you don't get your oil from Saudi Arabia? The oil from M.E has the best quality FYI
it's not that you get oil from there, but the oil companies have invested billions of $$ in America. alot of them are American companies. if they get screwed, America will get screwed.

if i'm not mistaking, he meant that the real America is over. America today is just an imperialist nation that bullies countries around. and their motto "You're either with us, or against us"

I love Americans, but their foreign policy is a bit lets just say SCARY

it doesnt matter. The world is wrong. just because the world needs America to do their dirty work, should America interfere ?

as a human perspective; no it's wrong to go to war with Iran over closing the straight
as a political and $$ perspective; America should go to war with Iran

OP is upset because America doesnt care about the morals anymore, but $$$

The Golden Rule:

“do not treat people in a way you would not wish to be treated yourself”

that makes the brazilian state "innocent"? OK

Nice knowing ya

Buh Bye

Send a post card from BF nowhere one day when you wake up to reality

If you had a house that sat in a valley pass to a field full of turnips and you tried to stop hungry people from walking through that pass to harvest them even though they belonged to a completely different set of neighbors and one group was hungry and the other group needed the money you'd soon find your house burned to the ground... and you'd deserve it.

so please leave, go to Iran... I heard the forecast calls 1500 degree temperatures this year

Eh cut it out, the only issues (the top poster) with this country should be concerned about are the internal ones.

It's natural for the globe to slowly come together and the only way that happens is first regionally. Small piss ant nations run by fanatics insane dictators etc etc et al have their days number...

and last poster is right, Brazil isn't innocent everyone knows they have an eye on the SA continent as a whole

stop it

with less than 40 million people occupying the 2nd largest land area nation in the world Canada would exist for less than a decade without US policy, the over run of Canada would start in under a week if we weren't assholes about it and you'd all be speaking chinese overnight, not by war... simple influx of people who need land. Same goes for OZ

40 Million people, less than the state of California or roughly 2x the population of Israel which is the size of a large city... all those resources to your self, how do you suppose you hold onto them? The Mounties defending you? Or USA

Offer up the Saskatchatoon lol... as the new Palestinian state if you give a shit so much

All war is criminal aggression

Iran and almost every single nation in the region has attacked Israel or fought with it's neighbors for the same sorts of reasons we do now.

China and India need land based oil pipelines to sustain themselves the history of trade abuse and the inability to get along and allow west and east to trade effectively goes back to the silk road, the stability in the region has never been maintained among these people ever in the history of the world.

China nor India gives a Flying poo outside of some bs comments at the UN what we do to achieve that in Fact China has financially supported us for the last 10 years while speaking out the other side of their mouth for political purpose India we flat out helped with their Nuclear program the reality of what is wanted is right there.

No one really "loves" the idea of America doing this... but at the same time, everyone Hates the concept of religious fanatics with Nukes and Oil power at their doorstep even worse

Legal? Illegal? Laws are determined by the majority

Then OP, you should turn everyone gay to stop the war and be a real American.

did i say i hate america? i know America has our back, and even if the US goes to war we will go to war with in Iran. i'm joining the army this summer. so god know if i'd be joining you guys in the gulf later on.
you misunderstood the op. he said that if America goes to this war than he'll "not be a a real American" that doesnt mean he doesnt want to.

Just like what Jesse Ventura has to say about his country. Your government lies to you guys and now they have been using tortures to get answers (false answers). The America that was against it. If you don't stop it now you'll end up having a dictator running your country under martial law, soldiers arresting civilians then maybe a 100 years later America could turn into a new Syria. So becareful..
Read his post again. America is going to do the same thing to Iran what Japan did to pearl harbor because of the blockade. This time the world is asking America to do it.

So I'm with op on this one. if we go to war with Iran, then what difference does it make us from the Japanese in WW2?

LMFAO good one

wont break my heart if you leave.

wow it never came to my mind that I would receive so much hate from my fellow Americans.
did you even read my post, or just the fucking title?

Thank You for your support and understanding.

Actually it's not possible to renounce at the border. You have to do it at a U.S. consulate in a foreign country.

REAL Americans hate everyone the Jewishes tell us to hate. :flag waver:

would you still call yourself a real American, if we end up with a tyranny ruling our country, torturing civilians, take our freedom of speech (which is starting to happen btw), go attack any country that are against our political stance?
Or would you then call your self an American that wish you had the old America back which our founding father fought and died for to give us the freedom and liberty that we stand for?

is this war really about Nukes? why aren't we going to war with North Korea then? I am 100% on that one. hell I'll be first in line in the march to invade that fucked up communist country that has already threatened the US (with Nukes) and our allies (South Korea, Japan)

Why Iran? Fanatical government with Nukes? are u kidding me?
what do you have to say about Pakistan (with fanatical government with sharia laws) that poses nukes? whom its president is a bullet away for those Nukes to get into the hands of crazy fundamentalists like the Taliban that want our destruction? And FYI Saudi Arabia, our "Friend" have been funding Sunni Terrorist to attack us Americans. 12 out of those 15 hijackers were Saudi Arabians on 9/11.
Al-Quida, Taliban, Jandallah, are all funded by the Saudi Royals. why aren't we going to invade them?

Why is Israel our best buddy and ready to die for while we have tons of greater allies whom don't get welfare, or order our presidents around, or commit criminal acts that they get away with every single time?
I don't wanna go to Iran, I want my country back. I want the Country that my grandfather died for fighting, the country that my brother and I are serving for and ready to die for BACK.

I want America back god Dammit

Here Here :flag waver:

If the flow of oil is disrupted and people cant get to work, transfer their goods to market, ship food to the grocery store shelves, produce energy...and America goes into total anarchy and chaos....you might rethink your position at that time op

oh just one more thing i forgot to mention
If it wasn't for what America did to Iran's democracy back in 1953 and installed a dictator, we wouldn't have had to face this problem today. So we go around fuck people's countries up then when we face a blow back, we still go and fuck their country's up to bring "Democracy" did you see what i just did there?. Oh Boy..Our founding fathers would be so proud
America today is like a teenager with a Gun.

I'm against these oil wars too but if Iran closes the strait Oil prices will go through the roof. There are people who make their money through military contracts and the want Romney in so any conflict is a win to them. Yes, they are savages and unnatural but that is the nature of these people in these American towns whose economy depends on military contracts. The philosophical choice to tun from war will happen only after America and Europeans in general get their asses kicked mightily.

We didn't blockade Japan prior to the war.

We just wouldn't sell them any oil because of their adventurism in China and other places.

And NO Iran doesn't have the right to close down an international shipping lane.

That's why you have a strong navy in the first place. To prevent such BS.

Last Edited by G. House on 07/03/2012 08:49 PM