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The final straw in Katie Holmes' decision to file for divorce was that she was convinced Tom Cruise was going to send 6-year-old Suri away to a hardcore Scientology organization known as Sea Organization ... sources connected with Katie tell TMZ.

Sea Org, as it is known, is where the highest levels of Scientology are taught -- and according to the Church website, it is composed of adults and minors who have committed their lives to the volunteer service of their religion. Our sources say Tom is a big fan.

Our sources say Katie and Tom had been arguing over Suri's indoctrination into Scientology -- and we're told the Sea Org was the flashpoint.

The Sea Org has been often compared to a boot camp and several ex-Scientologists (including Oscar winner Paul Haggis) have been outspoken against its military-like conditions. The Freewinds, the massive Scientology boat that was the location of Cruise's infamous birthday party in 2004, is entirely staffed by Sea Org members.

According to the official Scientology website, members of Sea Org sign "a one-billion-year pledge to symbolize their eternal commitment to the religion and it is still signed by all members today."

Katie herself has first-hand knowledge of the Sea Org. When Holmes and Cruise first hooked up in 2005, Jessica Feshbach, a prominent Scientologist who had been with the Sea Org since 1994, was transferred and became Katie's assistant/Scientology chaperone. Feshbach, in one of Katie's first interviews after getting together with Cruise, was described by a writer for W magazine as "cold-eyed" and "a third-wheel."

In the end ... we're told Katie felt the only way to save Suri from being shipped off to Sea Org was to file for divorce and seek sole legal custody. See also

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"What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?" - Galatians 5: 22-23
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I cannot say this enough. SCIENTOLOGY IS A CULT. I would take my little girl and run too!
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"What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?" - Galatians 5: 22-23
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unless you're a mind reader, you don't know if she was really afraid of that
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unless you're a mind reader, you don't know if she was really afraid of that
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I'm simply going by what her sources are claiming, and what I've seen and heard about scientology myself. It's a mind-controlling cult. I can't believe Katie had the courage to stand up to Tom, but I'm glad she did.
"Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you." - Matthew 22: 37-39

"What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?" - Galatians 5: 22-23
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even Rupert Murdoch is dumping on Scientology now
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even Rupert Murdoch is dumping on Scientology now
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Yep.
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"What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?" - Galatians 5: 22-23
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Re: Katie Holmes Was Afraid Tom Would Ship Suri To Radical Scentiology Org...
religions in general should not be forced on a child, and yet we do it everyday, since all religions is THE religion to the people that follow it
So the child must be brought up in the "light" of it.

Any child will learn from what the parents believe, and how they act.
I agree that sending off a child to a hardcore religious school is bad, but would it be any less bad if it was another religion than Scientology?

for the record. Im not defending Scientology, there should be room for all religions, but none of them should be forced on you, which is impossible in reality since children are influenced by what their parents believe, and will have a certain religion "forced" on them in one way or another.
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unless you're a mind reader, you don't know if she was really afraid of that
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I'm simply going by what her sources are claiming, and what I've seen and heard about scientology myself. It's a mind-controlling cult. I can't believe Katie had the courage to stand up to Tom, but I'm glad she did.
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You don't have to be a mind reader Moran. Just put two and two together. She asked for SOLE custody. Now connect the dots and you may realize that she is trying to save her daugher from something. Now what could that something be....
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The final straw in Katie Holmes' decision to file for divorce was that she was convinced Tom Cruise was going to send 6-year-old Suri away to a hardcore Scientology organization known as Sea Organization ... sources connected with Katie tell TMZ.

Sea Org, as it is known, is where the highest levels of Scientology are taught -- and according to the Church website, it is composed of adults and minors who have committed their lives to the volunteer service of their religion. Our sources say Tom is a big fan.

Our sources say Katie and Tom had been arguing over Suri's indoctrination into Scientology -- and we're told the Sea Org was the flashpoint.

The Sea Org has been often compared to a boot camp and several ex-Scientologists (including Oscar winner Paul Haggis) have been outspoken against its military-like conditions. The Freewinds, the massive Scientology boat that was the location of Cruise's infamous birthday party in 2004, is entirely staffed by Sea Org members.

According to the official Scientology website, members of Sea Org sign "a one-billion-year pledge to symbolize their eternal commitment to the religion and it is still signed by all members today."

Katie herself has first-hand knowledge of the Sea Org. When Holmes and Cruise first hooked up in 2005, Jessica Feshbach, a prominent Scientologist who had been with the Sea Org since 1994, was transferred and became Katie's assistant/Scientology chaperone. Feshbach, in one of Katie's first interviews after getting together with Cruise, was described by a writer for W magazine as "cold-eyed" and "a third-wheel."

In the end ... we're told Katie felt the only way to save Suri from being shipped off to Sea Org was to file for divorce and seek sole legal custody. See also
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She was [probably right to be worried. Damn how a foxy ass chick like Katie got mixed up with a douchebag like him. What a putz.
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religions in general should not be forced on a child, and yet we do it everyday, since all religions is THE religion to the people that follow it
So the child must be brought up in the "light" of it.

Any child will learn from what the parents believe, and how they act.
I agree that sending off a child to a hardcore religious school is bad, but would it be any less bad if it was another religion than Scientology?

for the record. Im not defending Scientology, there should be room for all religions, but none of them should be forced on you, which is impossible in reality since children are influenced by what their parents believe, and will have a certain religion "forced" on them in one way or another.
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oh shaddup

"religions should not be forcd on children" blah blah blah blah. What an idiot. When satan lets go of your neck, call me.
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[link to www.exscientologykids.com]

No wonder she's getting the heck out with her daughter.
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The final straw in Katie Holmes' decision to file for divorce was that she was convinced Tom Cruise was going to send 6-year-old Suri away to a hardcore Scientology organization known as Sea Organization ... sources connected with Katie tell TMZ.

Sea Org, as it is known, is where the highest levels of Scientology are taught -- and according to the Church website, it is composed of adults and minors who have committed their lives to the volunteer service of their religion. Our sources say Tom is a big fan.

Our sources say Katie and Tom had been arguing over Suri's indoctrination into Scientology -- and we're told the Sea Org was the flashpoint.

The Sea Org has been often compared to a boot camp and several ex-Scientologists (including Oscar winner Paul Haggis) have been outspoken against its military-like conditions. The Freewinds, the massive Scientology boat that was the location of Cruise's infamous birthday party in 2004, is entirely staffed by Sea Org members.

According to the official Scientology website, members of Sea Org sign "a one-billion-year pledge to symbolize their eternal commitment to the religion and it is still signed by all members today."

Katie herself has first-hand knowledge of the Sea Org. When Holmes and Cruise first hooked up in 2005, Jessica Feshbach, a prominent Scientologist who had been with the Sea Org since 1994, was transferred and became Katie's assistant/Scientology chaperone. Feshbach, in one of Katie's first interviews after getting together with Cruise, was described by a writer for W magazine as "cold-eyed" and "a third-wheel."

In the end ... we're told Katie felt the only way to save Suri from being shipped off to Sea Org was to file for divorce and seek sole legal custody. See also
 Quoting: Dease


She was [probably right to be worried. Damn how a foxy ass chick like Katie got mixed up with a douchebag like him. What a putz.
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well, she does have that hot concentration camp look men like. But yeah, I have to agree. It's like who didn't even see this coming? I like Tom Cruise in movies, but let's face it, he's a total psychotic manipulating nutjob who really needs counseling and meds but it excused as "eccentric" because he's a celebrity. Katie Holmes got Svengalied and it didn't take Dr. Freud to figure that out. Now she has a kid - that suddenly put nutjob hubby into perspective.

Like: "Hey, this man shouldn't be around children" perspective.
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unless you're a mind reader, you don't know if she was really afraid of that
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I'm simply going by what her sources are claiming, and what I've seen and heard about scientology myself. It's a mind-controlling cult. I can't believe Katie had the courage to stand up to Tom, but I'm glad she did.
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You don't have to be a mind reader Moran. Just put two and two together. She asked for SOLE custody. Now connect the dots and you may realize that she is trying to save her daugher from something. Now what could that something be....
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Thanks friend. I definitely agree that the words "SOLE custody" really caused me to do a doubletake. Before I even read any articles, this was my first thought.
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"What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?" - Galatians 5: 22-23
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the only people who KNOW what is happening are Holmes, Cruise, and their lawyers

in case you haven't heard, newspapers regularly make things up about celebrities

is it just a coincidence that all of a sudden, everybody, even rupert murdoch, is dumping on scientology???
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[link to www.exscientologykids.com]

No wonder she's getting the heck out with her daughter.
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Why would anyone put up with those conditions? (Seaorg/Scientology)

What most people don't understand is that most of the people in the Sea Org either grew up in Scientology, or have been in Scientology for many, many years. They are trapped in a situation where they really believe they are saving the planet. Many of them put up with these conditions because they have been told that this is the only way they can help mankind, and they honestly believe this is so. They may feel that they are enduring hard conditions, but management tells them that the earth is in peril, and that they endure this hardship for the good of humanity.

Since anyone expressing doubt or unhappiness is disciplined, no one is willing to outwardly show discontent. Though a person may be unhappy in the SO, he looks around and sees everyone else wearing dedicated faces and doing their jobs, and thinks that something must be wrong with him for wanting to leave.

Management also paints the world outside of Scientology like an evil place, awash in drugs, sex, and misery. They are told they cannot trust the "real world" law - only Scientology law is good and just, while the legal system outside is corrupt and untrustworthy. While Sea Org members may not be happy, they are constantly told that outside it is much worse. Anyone who leaves is painted as a criminal, a coward, and a traitor.

Since most of them are denied access to the outside world, they have no opportunity to interact with those who are leading healthy, productive lives outside; and moreover, they are encouraged to think that people on the outside aren't dedicated enough.

Combine all these factors with lack of sleep, lack of food, and lack of time to think, and you might understand why that many people would "willingly" shoulder that kind of abuse.
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oh shaddup

"religions should not be forcd on children" blah blah blah blah. What an idiot. When satan lets go of your neck, call me.
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I rest my case.
the evidence speaks for itself
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No wonder she's getting the heck out with her daughter.
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Thanks for the link. I'm reading now, and this is insane.
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"What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?" - Galatians 5: 22-23
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The great horror of marriage that has a child involved.
Even after divorce you are stuck with an insane person all over your child's mind and you can't do a thing about it.
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The great horror of marriage that has a child involved.
Even after divorce you are stuck with an insane person all over your child's mind and you can't do a thing about it.
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Hopefully she will be able to get sole custody. In my opinion, a judge would have to be stupid not go give it to her.

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"Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you." - Matthew 22: 37-39

"What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?" - Galatians 5: 22-23
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all religions are cults.

Just take a look around in Ohio...there are major Christian complexes with brainwashing facilities on every corner.
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No wonder she's getting the heck out with her daughter.
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Thanks for the link. I'm reading now, and this is insane.
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dude, that's just a fullout open CIA Monarch-like brainwashing project! Totally insane and creepy, they breed empty shells there, robots. They kill human souls.
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all religions are cults.

Just take a look around in Ohio...there are major Christian complexes with brainwashing facilities on every corner.
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As a Christian, I can tell you that there is a big difference in those complexes, and the real church. Some of those very well may be cults. That is because they are mixing Christian behavior with cult-like rules.

True Christianity is perfect love, and forgiveness. The Bible says we will know them by their fruit, referring to the fruits of the spirit such as love, patience, kindness, etc. When something or someone does not line up with scripture, then it is not really Christian. This hate and abuse as described in scientology is most definitely not what Jesus commanded at all.

Jesus Christ is without sin, the perfect and spotless one . He made the ultimate sacrifice for our sins by dying on the cross. He has perfect love for us. That is why we can worship Him,versus other religions. God would never convict you to do anything that would hurt yourself or someone else such as scientology or other religions would. He has a perfect plan for you, so that you may love Him, others, and yourself.

Look it up, but you will find that Christianity is the only religion that commands us to always love and forgive others. I do my best to do this as Christ has done for me.

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"Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you." - Matthew 22: 37-39

"What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?" - Galatians 5: 22-23
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all religions are cults.

Just take a look around in Ohio...there are major Christian complexes with brainwashing facilities on every corner.
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As a Christian, I can tell you that there is a big difference in those complexes, and the real church. Some of those very well may be cults. That is because they are mixing Christian behavior with cult-like rules.

True Christianity is perfect love, and forgiveness. The Bible says we will know them by their fruit, referring to the fruits of the spirit such as love, patience, kindness, etc. When something or someone does not line up with scripture, then it is not really Christian. This hate and abuse as described in scientology is most definitely not what Jesus commanded at all.

Jesus Christ is without sin, the perfect and spotless one . He made the ultimate sacrifice for our sins by dying on the cross. He has perfect love for us. That is why we can worship Him,versus other relegions. God would never convict you to do anything that would hurt yourself or someone else such as scientology or other relegions would. He has a perfect plan for you, so that you may love Him, others, and yourself.

Look it up, but you will find that Christianity is the only relegion that commands us to always love and forgive others. I do my best to do this as Christ has done for me.
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OP, I've known some very Christ-like Christians but as a whole I've found Christians to be very judgmental and slow to love anything not that isn't like themselves. Buddhism on the other hand is all about compassion. I believe it's the Bible that said you should know a tree by it's fruit...and all you have to do is look and see which religions directly started wars or were used as justification for wars.
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all religions are cults.

Just take a look around in Ohio...there are major Christian complexes with brainwashing facilities on every corner.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326366


As a Christian, I can tell you that there is a big difference in those complexes, and the real church. Some of those very well may be cults. That is because they are mixing Christian behavior with cult-like rules.

True Christianity is perfect love, and forgiveness. The Bible says we will know them by their fruit, referring to the fruits of the spirit such as love, patience, kindness, etc. When something or someone does not line up with scripture, then it is not really Christian. This hate and abuse as described in scientology is most definitely not what Jesus commanded at all.

Jesus Christ is without sin, the perfect and spotless one . He made the ultimate sacrifice for our sins by dying on the cross. He has perfect love for us. That is why we can worship Him,versus other relegions. God would never convict you to do anything that would hurt yourself or someone else such as scientology or other relegions would. He has a perfect plan for you, so that you may love Him, others, and yourself.

Look it up, but you will find that Christianity is the only relegion that commands us to always love and forgive others. I do my best to do this as Christ has done for me.
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OP, I've known some very Christ-like Christians but as a whole I've found Christians to be very judgmental and slow to love anything not that isn't like themselves. Buddhism on the other hand is all about compassion. I believe it's the Bible that said you should know a tree by it's fruit...and all you have to do is look and see which religions directly started wars or were used as justification for wars.
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You are right. Many have gotten it all wrong. It was 'religous men' that had Christ crucified. Christ himself, who knew no sin, who was perfect in every way. And he was hated and brutally killed.

Today there is still a ton of hate among those that call themselves christians. You do have to know people by their 'fruit'.

We are called to be like Christ. Loving and forgiving. Nothing less will do.
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No wonder she's getting the heck out with her daughter.
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Why would anyone put up with those conditions? (Seaorg/Scientology)


Since most of them are denied access to the outside world, they have no opportunity to interact with those who are leading healthy, productive lives outside; and moreover, they are encouraged to think that people on the outside aren't dedicated enough.

Combine all these factors with lack of sleep, lack of food, and lack of time to think, and you might understand why that many people would "willingly" shoulder that kind of abuse.
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And in addition, they are not getting an education. They are just working, working, working. There are laws against treating children this way, aren't there?
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No wonder she's getting the heck out with her daughter.
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Why would anyone put up with those conditions? (Seaorg/Scientology)


Since most of them are denied access to the outside world, they have no opportunity to interact with those who are leading healthy, productive lives outside; and moreover, they are encouraged to think that people on the outside aren't dedicated enough.

Combine all these factors with lack of sleep, lack of food, and lack of time to think, and you might understand why that many people would "willingly" shoulder that kind of abuse.
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And in addition, they are not getting an education. They are just working, working, working. There are laws against treating children this way, aren't there?


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There are suppposed to be!

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"What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?" - Galatians 5: 22-23
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all religions are cults.

Just take a look around in Ohio...there are major Christian complexes with brainwashing facilities on every corner.
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I totally agree.
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all religions are cults.

Just take a look around in Ohio...there are major Christian complexes with brainwashing facilities on every corner.
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I totally agree.
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except this one ask for your money to get into your mind i.e. mind audit.
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This story keeps getting stranger and stranger by the day.
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This story keeps getting stranger and stranger by the day.
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Since she is talking they will now start the campaign to destroy her character. I suspect they will say she is a drug addict and abusive mother.
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