Real, solid evidence of two suns **Binary Star Theory** (NOT Nibiru!)

Alright mister 1-star man, explain yo-self!

Let's do some math (approx. numbers - lets say +/- 10%):

Distance Sol - Sirius: 8.6 Lightyears = 81.7 trillion km (US) (Rest of the world = 81.7 billion km)

Mass Sirius A + Sirius B = 3 M-Sol

Distance Sol to barycenter = 61.3 trillion km (US) (Rest of the world = 61.3 billion km)

Lets assume a cicular orbit around the barycenter (at best - velocity in an elliptical orbit would be even higher)

Perimeter of orbit Sol = 385 trillion km (US) (Rest of the world = 385 billion km)

Assumed orbital periode of Sol around the barycenter: 26,000 years

Distance covered by Sol in 26,000 Years = 385 trillion km (US) (Rest of the world = 385 billion km)
Distance covered by Sol in 1 Years = 14.8 billion km (US) (Rest of the world = 14.8 milliard km)
Distance covered by Sol in 1 day = 40.569.215 million km
Distance covered by Sol in 1 hour = 1.7 million km
Distance covered by Sol in 1 minute = 28,173 km
Distance covered by Sol in 1 second = 469 km

Velocity of Sol around the barycenter of Sol - Sirius: 469 km/sec
Escape velocity for the Milky Way Galaxy: 320 km/s

Conclusion 1: During its first orbit around Sirius the solar system would have been catapulted out of the Milky Way Galaxy.
Conclusion 2: Sol is not in a binary system with Sirius.
Conclusion 3: This video is absolute


Thus from me also 1 star


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a hippie sitting on a rock is "real solid evidence"????

I haven't looked at the video due to bandwidth issues, but if you're interested in this you should check out the Binary Research Institute site;

[link to www.binaryresearchinstitute.org]

The precession of the Equinox and other things are BEST explained if we were part of a double star system.
BTW most stars are part of such a system.

Great post except for one teensy thing.....it's wrong. Well the escape velocity for the galaxy is wrong.
Should be more like minimum of 525 km/s.

[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]

but its on youtube, so it must be true

NO they are not!

1/3 of known systems are binary.

It's if not Nibiru.

would be cool, but why would there be stars within a binary system? Isn't proxima centauri the closet star to sol? I assume it would be affected somehow by gravity.

Well if wikipedia says so then it must be true, right?

[link to www.universetoday.com]
"majority of the stars in the universe come in pairs"

[link to www.novacelestia.com]
"The majority of stars are not single stars, they come in pairs of two or more stars"

[link to csep10.phys.utk.edu]
"The observational evidence is that most stars are parts of multiple star systems, not single stars like our Sun. "

The most recent estimates give 551 km/s for the escape velocity at Sol distance from the center of the Galaxy.
The orbital velocity of the Sun around the center of the Milky Way Galaxy about 220 km/s.

Galactic escape velocity: 551 km/s - 220 km/s = 331 km/s

And this calculation is for a circular orbit.
An eliptical orbit, as OP said, even with a moderate excentrity, would give a much higher velocity at periapsis (regarding the barycenter of the hypothetical system).


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Last Edited by Hydra on 07/04/2012 07:38 AM

"Common wisdom among astronomers holds that most star systems in the Milky Way are multiple, consisting of two or more stars in orbit around each other. Common wisdom is wrong..."
[link to www.cfa.harvard.edu]


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This would only be true if;

1)The relative motions were in the same direction, which we don't know to be the case.

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2)We weren't talking about a binary system. The reason being that in this case the sun is gravitationally bound by it's companion as well as by the galaxy, so there is an additional escape velocity to be considered. Which we also don't know.

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The article in question from 2006 states that about 85% of the stars in the galaxy are Red dwarfs. In 2006 maybe that was a fair estimate but now it's not because we no longer actually know how many stars there are.
It doesn't mention Brown dwarfs at all, let alone sub Brown dwarfs. It is completely unknown how many Brown dwarfs or sub Brown dwarfs there are and they could be orbiting those Red dwarfs for all we know.
What's the difference between sub Brown dwarfs and the large planets that are being regularly discovered lately? Can we detect the difference? There are many more unknowns now than there were in 2006.

The gist of the article may well be turn out to be true but in light of recent discoveries it's no longer certain.

As I said before:
The calculation is for a circular orbit. An eliptical orbit, as OP said, even with a moderate eccentricity, would give a much higher velocity at periapsis, that easily exceeds the galactic escape velocity.


It does not matter.
Even if you start the orbit agains the rotation of the galactic - the second part of the Sols orbit is with the galactic rotation - and Bye!




The escape velocity is dependent on the distance. E.g. at the surface of the Sun Ve = 617.5 km/s, at Earth distance you need 42,1 km/s to leave the solar system.

At a distance Sirius - Sol of 8.6 Ly it is negligible.


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You just shoot yourself in the foot.

According to your statement I could easyly claim there are only 5% binaries. Why?

Because:



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Great discussion guys! And yes, a hippie sitting on a rock can be real evidence....if real evidence is actually discussed. I'd say check out Walter Cruttenden's site if you're genuinely interested in the subject, because there's tons of updated information on there. I'm sure he's looked into the concept of velocity extensively, though you guys are smarter than me on the math so I'm not going to attempt to refute your numbers.

[link to www.binaryresearchinstitute.org]

"... It is the goal of the Binary Research Institute to present evidence for this theory [that the Sun is part of a binary star system] ..."

That means they set an objective and try to find supportive evidence (much like the Nibidiots or creationists).
That's not science, where the conclusions follow from the evidence.
And, none of the papers from the Binary Research Institute or Walter Cruttenden have been published in peer-reviewed astronomy journals.

BTW - the BRI hangs on to Browns theory of a possible brown dwarf around the Ooorts Cloud - not Sirius.


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Heal hidra! Me too, also 1 stat.

I'm not saying it's conclusive, simply that it's a pretty fascinating possibility. I saw an interview with Walter Cruttenden several years ago in which he had proposed that it might be Sirius. So, I guess they've dropped that, thanks for the correction.