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- User ID: 14012564 United States 11/20/2012 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can still get the factory 454 SS in the Chevy pickup. I think they get too hot and break more often than the more common 350. I'd rather have the 350 that lasts longer. The 454 just never caught on and there's a good reason. Bigger motors more parts break more. (much bigger than a 350. muscle cars need a v8.) |
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Moulin_Jean User ID: 18920741 Netherlands 11/20/2012 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | my personnal, crazy aerodynamics Last Edited by Moulin_Jean on 11/20/2012 07:22 PM When government violate the rights of the people, the insurrection is, for the people and for every portion of the people, the most sacred of right and the most indispensable of duties. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28150173 United States 11/20/2012 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | fuck all the shit from 40-50 years ago. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28150173 that's long gone. there's only ONE constant USA car. the CORVETTE. STILL here. uMMM The Mustang! The Camaro,with a little hiccup. yeah 20 years of hiccup. maybe besides the camero. which was still crap for many years. |
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Southern OR User ID: 20471008 United States 11/20/2012 10:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am partial to the Chevelles, GTO's and the Olds 442. Age check - How many of you know what GTO really stands for? "Well-behaved women seldom make history." —Laurel Thatcher Ulrich I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do. ~Edward Everett Hale |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24488287 United States 11/20/2012 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lt. Parker (ret.) recalls his '72 Javelin once reached 141mph as he was racing to join a pursuit. He states the car had more pedal left and was still accelerating when it became necessary to change direction, and he was forced to brake. Parker also recalls that most troopers found the Javelins to be terrific performers, and the only problem he can think of was that the suspension components wore out more often than expected. But the abilities of the Javelin more than made up for this inconvenience. Captain Robert Applin (ret.) states his Javelin was clocked at 153mph using a ‘Kustom’ radar unit which was considered more accurate than the ‘VASCAR’ type, which calculated his car at 148mph over a 500ft. stretch. Regarding his specific car, he tells the following- “What a rocket, especially compared to what we were used to. The (stock 401) Javelin would only run just over the 140 mark, but it would get it so quickly it gave us the pursuit advantage. After a few months, our Dothan mechanic (Charles) told me that whenever I had time to leave the car with him, he had learned how to make it a little better. So of course I made time. I do not know what all he did to it but I do know that he "shimmed" the valves, replaced the valves springs with a special kind (brass I think), bored the jets on the carb and I don't know what else but he assured me that it was all okay and not discernible to anyone who didn't know what he had put in it. When I picked it up, he and I took it for a test run. If you tried to start from a standing start, you would smoke the rear tires. At a rolling start, when you floored it the tires would still break loose until it shifted into second at which time it would lay several more feet of rubber. Shifting into high near the 96 mph mark it would again bark the tires. The speedometer would steadily climb as long as you stayed in it unlike prior to Charles' work when after about 128 - 130 it would slowly climb to the max. (of 141mph, stock)” Robert also relates this war story... “(I) also ran down a full house 71 Chevy 454 from Abbeville to Blue Springs. Caught him before we got to Blue Springs but finally forced him off the road at the top of the hill on the west side of Blue Springs, got him out of his car, stuffed him into the Javelin, then called in and told the station I had him in custody. The whole chase lasted 6 minutes. I turned around on him at the roadside tables just west of Abbeville. The distance was 13 miles. Dispatchers log shows the times of the call-ins.” Just to cover 13 miles in the full 6 minutes, the car would have to be at over 125mph for the entire distance. Subtract his time turning around and radioing in, accelerating to catch up, then coming to a stop, exiting the Javelin, pulling the suspect from the Chevelle, cuffing him, patting him down and stuffing him in the Javelin…you can see that 150mph isn’t a stretch at all. Prior to the Javelins, he tells that the department was unhappy with their 1971 Dodge 440 cars. “In 1971, I was working out of the Dothan Post, assigned to Henry County. I was issued a 1971 Dodge with a 440 engine, single exhaust. I think it was more of a taxi car than a patrol car. Would only run 112 mph. Dodge called the cars back in, put dual exhaust and did something else to the heads (I think) which helped some. Now the car would run 118 - 120 tops. Rode and handled very good, but I got outrun several times while in this car. ” That info contrasts greatly with other reports (mainly from Mopar collectors) that state 440 police package cars were incredibly fast- something I would expect from an extra 39cid. It is possible Alabama’s ’71 Dodges were a ‘Lite’ Police Package car due to the purchase procedure of ‘lowest bid’. Dodge would be forced to leave out certain components to keep the price down, so, in effect, Alabama would get what they paid for. But then comes this next report that Dodge tried to ‘fix’ the problem... “Because we (the Dept) were so dissatisfied with the Dodges, they gave us a special built one to move around the state for evaluation in an effort to prove to us that the Dodge/Plymouth police cars were great performers. I had the privilege of running this car for three days (of testing) and it was little better than the '71 which I had used. I let (a) Reserve officer drive my Javelin. I told the Reservist that after we pulled out… let me go first, then pass me if he could. Well, I started off (in the Dodge), pedal to the metal, and he pulled in behind me (with the Javelin). As I shifted out of first, he was still behind me. Then I shifted into second and he was still behind me. Then about 80 mph he pulled out, got up beside me asking if I wanted him to go on. I nodded yes and he shot off amazingly fast and became a dot in the distance... I immediately radioed him to back off. There was no comparison between the 440 Magnum Pursuit and the little 401. .. (The Reserve officer) told me (later) that he thought I wanted him to stay behind me...” “A side note on the Dodge/Plymouth evaluation car: It's speedometer was more than 10 mph off. It would register that you were doing 140 at top speed but you were actually hanging around the actual 130 mark. I realized that it was wrong the first day I had it when a farmer in his pickup passed me while I was traveling 60 mph (posted limit) down a two laned road. Of course I pulled him over and he swore to me that he had followed me for a distance at 48 to 50 mph and he thought it would be okay if he passed. I had felt like I wasn't really moving as fast as the speedometer was showing, so I advised my Corporal and we checked it against the radar and sure enough, at 60 it was exactly 10 off.” Prior to the Dodges, Robert reports that the department had used Ford Interceptors with a 428-V8… “We started running 428 Interceptor Fords in 1968. In 1969, Ford improved the performance even more. The 427 Chevys (1967's) would walk away from the Fords but a few miles down the road the Ford would overtake the Chevy. Handling was more of a high speed problem with the Chevys, above 120 anyway. Then in 1970 Ford put a Motorcraft carb system (older ones had a Holley) on the engines and they did not perform as well as the 69's but they were still pretty awesome. Most topped out from 138 - 140. I never encountered a Mopar that would out perform a 428 Ford. (But) the Javelin beat the Fords off the line and would gradually pull away. From my experience, there is no doubt that the Ford would never catch the Javelin…” AMAZING ‘ADPS Javelin’ FACTS: § The ADPS Javelins are the first recorded pony car officially used by a major police department…ever… predating all those Mustangs and Camaros seen since! Alabama started a trend! § All ADPS Javelins came equipped with 60-series raised-white-letter tires- never blackwalls. As these wore out, they were replaced with 70-series bias-ply or 70-series radial whitewall tires! § While the ADPS Javelins incurred an 'average' number of accidents, no trooper was ever killed in a Javelin's crash. Only the 1988 Mustangs of the ADPS come close to that record during their service, with only one fatality in the Mustangs. § After two small modifications by ADPS Maintenance (improving oil flow and adding a 1st-gear lock-out), no ADPS Javelin ever blew its engine. § No ADPS Javelin was ever outrun in a pursuit. Several troopers report that they had their Javelins doing over 140MPH. Above, a modified ‘72 was reported capable of 153mph. That’s faster than the ‘official fastest police car’ of the era- the 147mph 1969 Dodge Polara 440 (but then, the Dodge was bone-stock). |
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wabishkaeyabe User ID: 28000005 United States 11/21/2012 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All these are great. I especially remember the Javelin, as it was one of the only I wasn't tested by, but I beat all the ones I was. My car - '69 Firebird TransAm with a 455 DOHC High Output Yeh, I cheated and put the engine in. They were legal back in the day, and so was the full race cam, but damn that car was scary. |
DUCM900 User ID: 28206526 Italy 11/21/2012 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All these are great. I especially remember the Javelin, as it was one of the only I wasn't tested by, but I beat all the ones I was. Quoting: wabishkaeyabe 28000005 My car - '69 Firebird TransAm with a 455 DOHC High Output Yeh, I cheated and put the engine in. They were legal back in the day, and so was the full race cam, but damn that car was scary. |
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