Changing your Nature: The lucifer Ego and the Christ

For HoH,

here is your blocked way, it is simple and plain and straight forward, in contrast to the complex museings and justifications i see here:

Joh 14:6 Yahshua saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

"Pleasure and pain are things that come from external influences and things we think we can 'gain' or 'lose'."

Whoa. You spoke legions to me in those few words. I won't say I fully understand but I have the roots of grasping what you mean! And that leaves me feeling wonderful! Wow!

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Jeezus, Kal! I'm smiling and I don't even know why! I guess a small reprieve in extremes from time to time is in order to know the way we are going is that of truth. I have always known to look within. Now I will finally follow-through on it entirely.

Can I say...that smile that emerges is always the evidence to me that the resonance of peace within is coming out of me!

You are already finding the narrow path...and the benefit is a freedom and a peace unknown!

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here's a link to some of my experiences for those who wish to know.

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damn that was an old one

too early for flapjacks

And I think to myself .....what a wonderful world
Yes I think to myself .......what a wonderful world.

What about the duality of the oversoul?

A perspective :

Imagine that you were a drop in an ocean. You did not understand or experience all that was around you..which was what you were...water. Everything felt the same, was the same.

Then someone plucked you out from your home and placed you on dry land...WOW! Dryness...now this is new! Then came heat, wind...you began to dry up...and you understood ...I AM A DROP...you were glad to go back home now that you understood what you were.

another:

Imagine you were an immortal God/Goddess. You had everything imaginable, you had all power. Then came a salesman, he asked if you had ever owned a Widget...you didn't know what a widget was. He placed some goggles on your eyes to demonstrate and behold..now before you was projected a beautiful widget.

You wanted it because it was different. He told you it was of his creation only and that you needed to rent the set of goggles to have it. You obliged and bought the goggles. Once you put on the goggles you found all kinds of wonderous delights...you knew, (because you were a God) that they were illusions, but they were FUN illusions! So you kept the goggles on, being very entertained.

Now the creator of the goggles had the master program for the goggles and could manipulate circumstances within the projection. You knew this also, of course, but you didn't care, you were a God. When the Goggle Creator damaged the 'widgets' in the projection , you felt something very new. It was PAIN! You had never knew pain before because nothing you had created could be harmed, nor yourself of course. But you now felt it keenly because that illusion COULD BE DAMAGED. YOUR ATTACHMENT TO THE ILLUSIONS WAS CAUSING YOU PAIN.

You were so entertained by all of the exciting other widgets, you got over the pain and continued. After some time, you forgot you even had the goggles on, the cycles of pain and pleasure absorbed you...you forgot you were in control and you stayed within the projectection. VR. Virtual Reality.

The creator of the Goggles feeds you thoughts, you think they are yours, he feeds you sensual stimulation, you suck it up, he feeds you many ups and downs and laughs all the way as he manipulates you like a puppet...and all the way living large on your emotional energy you give off while lost in the Goggle world!!!!!!!!!!

You think to be false? Think again. Do you really think you are in control? Think again.

Awakening to the Matrix!

In the beginning of the second analogy It would have been better to have detailed what the 'rent' for the goggles was. The rent was that he would receive some of your God emanation (love) for doing it. You didn't care...it was like the sun caring if someone used it's light to grow plants!

Now,...'it' has learned to keep the karmic cycle going...and harvest huge amounts of love . Robert Monroe called it "Loosh".

These are not fantastic stories.

The fact that the Earth is here at all is fantastic.

If there were ever direct intervention of 'he who is' in this illusion it was manifest in the movie "The Matrix".

I was astounded when I saw the movies. The most real movies ever made. It was exactly what I had been taught within for years. To see it on screen.....was like watching "God" at work. Of course it was analgous, but an incredible work of truth.

Just like the wizard of oz story. You can choose a character and describe a person here on earth.

Most people on this planet have not yet had there fill of 'widgets'. They will choose to play a while longer with goggles firmly attached, claiming that they are fully awake while handling their precious widget toys...stroking them, carresing them with tender care...ohhhhh. lol.

Most thought Neo as being either a God or the Devil...he knowing what he was...nothing special at all! He pushed his whole life to find the core truth...but when he found it...it was not what expected at all. He was in shock for a long while.

Picture if Neo re-entered the Matrix and walked down the street trying to explain to the people the REALITY of what was going on ...what would be the response?????????

Yup..the response would be...your **cked Up, Man! You arrogant asshole! who do you think you are? A saviour?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is REALITY and there is no other! I love this place! Those would be the answers.

That is why those that are in the moment, the reality, the now, these do not talk openly.....the response is generally open attack from others, protecting their precious widget world from being turned off.

I'm, addicted to widgets.....but how do I know what wat my oversoul alignment is?.What if I go for that light n love then find out that my oversoul is some nasty fuck having a good laugh on my part.So why should I align either way and not take the middle path.

As my friends Yogi Master told him,

It is all about:

Consciousness without an object.

or "It isn't that you cannot enjoy this world, it is the attachment to what you are enjoying that causes suffering"

Here's an excerpt from "Be Here Now". Anyone would enjoy this book, no matter what path you are on. It is full of love, non-judgement. Basicly an open door to understanding ...it will make you smile uncontrollably.

"If you could go into a meditation room , close up your ears. Sit down. Center. Go in in in in in Further. in . oh much further in . oh you've just begun! keep going back in.

Don't linger to smell the pretty sunflower don't linger to hold on to the ecstacy of bliss keep going in behind the senses. Behind your thoughts and if you can go back in far enough you will see everything you've identfied with 'him' you will see.....your own personality...(it will be separate from your awareness of it)...your own life drama...your own body...it's very awesome.

The point is we have gone out and out and out& we sought and sought and found much but it hasn't been enough! and Now by merely turning the process inward you go in and in and in until you come to the place where Guru Rimpoche sits.

And what is this place? Hindus call it the Atman , and what is the Atman? The bhagavadam, one of the holy books of India says:

The atman or divine self is separate from the body. It is one, without a second. pure, self-luminous without attributes . Free, all-pervading it is the eternal witness . blessed is he who knows this atman for, though an embodied being , he shall be feee from the changes and quailities pertaining to the body. he alone is ever united with me.

This is the place of pure being . That inner place where you dwell . you just be. there is nothing to be done in that place. from that place then, it happens, it manifests in perfect harmony with the universe. because you are the laws of the universe. you are the laws of universe

This is what mans journey into consciousness is all about....this is OM! . this is the place! becoming one with God returning ......

It's the return to the roots that the tao talks about. it is the stillness. the calmness. the fullfillment."


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Isn't this absolutely stunning stuff? This guy was Timothy Leary's partner in experimentation with LSD...he decided to go a different path than Leary and leave the research (he was also a Phd like leary) , he was told that meditation was like lsd in opening the mind but it was much 'better'.

so he went on a quest...and years later he found reality...

One cannot read this book and not admit that he experienced and described reality as it is.

Kal:

Ever since I saw it, I knew that move The Matrix was truth beyond words. The first one had been so INCREDIBLY POWERFUL to me! I saw the symbolism in everything! It made me quite sad when it took so long for the other two movies to come out and be discarded by most of the public. After all, "Bullet Time" had been around for a few years by then so it had lost its graphical appeal to many. IMHO, I think this was done on purpose by those would seek to keep us enslaved. Even my own mother thinks the last movies cannot compare to the first one.



Your goggle analogy hits home for me. It makes sense on many levels and would explain the feelings I've had about myself and reality.

With that said... I can understand how sensory deprivation as well as clearing of all thoughts would be the only way to be able to learn any kind of truth if that analogy is real.

So...
Tips for quieting the mind would be very helpful for me! I can only seem to go on in perfect silence for about 5-6 seconds before mind chatter resumes. Tis the reason why I "gave up" on it awhile back... everyone tells me the only way to do it is to just do it! But how can you just do it if it refuses to do so? Practise? What do I do, tell my thoughts to shut-up? Isn't that a thought in and of itself?

Grrr... I hate my thoughts sometimes. (^_^)


I want things to be done and over! I don't want to have to do it this way, it's hard work and much effort! To quiet a mind that is not mine to begin with sounds like something only God can do!

Hehe, why does that feel like a one-liner?

Alright, I'm gettin' that overly weird feeling I've been gettin' recently. I'd better stop myself from typing anything else before my insanity becomes contagious...

So...
Tips for quieting the mind would be very helpful for me! I can only seem to go on in perfect silence for about 5-6 seconds before mind chatter resumes. Tis the reason why I "gave up" on it awhile back... everyone tells me the only way to do it is to just do it! But how can you just do it if it refuses to do so? Practise? What do I do, tell my thoughts to shut-up? Isn't that a thought in and of itself?

Grrr... I hate my thoughts sometimes. (^_^)


I want things to be done and over! I don't want to have to do it this way, it's hard work and much effort! To quiet a mind that is not mine to begin with sounds like something only God can do!
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Yes,...i can understand the 'like it to be done and over'....

Stilling thought is something that does require perseverence.

Keep in mind that you are simply trying to be you. You can't fight the thoughts, but you can be SEPARATE from them enough to stop them. In the far future, you will be able to let them run as they run, for you will not react to them anymore., but for now you need to differentiate yourself from them in order to realize fully that you are not your thoughts.

your 'mind' IS yours to work with. But your thoughts tell you differently. This is the work. To find yourself apart from thought and then dismiss thought entirely. Right now you are enmeshed with your thoughts and it appears to be a brawl with yourself. But in time and practice you will find a very clear difference between You and 'them'. Them is simply programmed responses.

Your thoughts are programs running, trying to keep you in line with the choices you have made in the past.

This is why it is necessary to read things that promote your becoming separate from the nonsensical rhetoric of Ego thought. You can do this.

You are the master. You are the choice maker that can decide to be free.

Keep focused on the middle of your forehead, this will help you. Try to detect the feeling in your head as to where and how thought generates. If you become sensitive to this, you will be able to stop thought before it becomes a nuisance to you.

I feel the energy of the thought as it starts to move and then I 'silence' it before it goes to far.

The adepts talk about how modern man is in such a mired state and the evidence is that most people can't be still for 1 minute. Anciently they would be still for days. Totally free.

Interesting things will happen to you when you can be silent for a half an hour.

Remember to practice an hour before the sunrise or after sunset for best results.

edit to add> In the movie City of Angels, it wasn't an exaggeration that the sunrise makes music! You will learn to hear it and it will enliven you.

"current mind"

Are you referring to the collective unconscious a la Jung?

Man, you be woppin up the wig wog!!!!!!

Man, you be woppin up the wig wog!!!!!!

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I love jung's point of view. One of the deepest thinkers of all time.

1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, the words of our Lord Yahshua haMashiach, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings.
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness:

INTRODUCTION



By James Michael Grippe and Rand Winburn



Man, by his fall into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; so as a natural man, being altogether averse to that good, and dead in sin, is not able by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto.

Westminster Confession, 1643

Chapter IX, section III



If anyone shall affirm, that man's free will, moved and excited by God, does not, by consenting, co-operate with God, the mover and exciter, so as to prepare and dispose itself for the attainment of justification; if moreover anyone shall say, that the human will cannot refuse complying if it pleases; but that it is inactive, and merely passive; let such a one be accursed.

If anyone shall affirm, that since the fall of Adam, man's free will is lost and extinguished; or that it is a thing titular, yea a name, without a thing, and a fiction introduced by Satan into the Church; let such a one be accursed.

Council of Trent, 1563

Session 6, Ch.16, Canons 4-5



In faith, the human intellect and will cooperate with divine grace; “Believing is an act of the intellect assenting to the divine truth by command of the will moved by God through grace.”

Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1995

Sec. 155





We have, as set forth in these declarations, two vastly different theologies.

The first, Protestant, denies the ability of the will to choose holiness or to follow Christ. The second, Roman Catholic, admits the ability of the will to consent and cooperate with the will of God in salvation. According to centuries of Catholic teaching, man has the will to choose to follow Christ, as well as the will to choose to leave Christ. So different are these teachings that they lie as opposites on the theological spectrum. Like Cain and Abel or Jacob and Esau, they war with one another in a polemic that has gone on since the days of Augustine and Pelagius.

But which view is correct? The importance of determining the answer is not to be underestimated, for we seek to know the revealed mind of God in this matter. Above and beyond this, the glory of God in our salvation is at stake in the hearts and minds of Christians. The correct view exalts God to His rightful place as our alone Savior, while the incorrect view debases Him, subverting His work in our salvation. The one view shouts His sovereign grace in election, while the other gives nothing but lip service to it. In the former, man is humbled. In the latter, he is unduly exalted.

The Protestant Reformers clearly saw the bondage of man’s will as taught in the Scriptures and evinced by their creeds. Catholics, Evangelical Arminians, and cults of today, on the other hand, champion the alleged freedom of man’s will. As one who formerly held the Arminian position for over 20 years, co-author, James, can testify that the Scriptures, which teach the bondage of man’s will, are rarely, if ever, addressed by church leaders, let alone seriously studied by Christians. Furthermore, it is the contention of these present authors, if put to the test, few in the visible church could even offer a definition of the 'will.' The challenge goes out to all Arminians to please locate the verses in Scripture establishing man's free will in salvation. We then challenge these same men to reconcile any verses found which allegedly teach their position with the whole counsel of God.

In this treatise our purpose is to: (1) define terms; (2) cite the scriptural authorities proving the doctrine of the bondage of the will and its attendant enslavement to the heart; and (3) unmask the errant doctrine of free will for what it really is.

"In this treatise our purpose is to: (1) define terms; (2) cite the scriptural authorities proving the doctrine of the bondage of the will and its attendant enslavement to the heart; and (3) unmask the errant doctrine of free will for what it really is."

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Full On,

Your post is certainly relative to this thread. I had to read it a few times to get the message you are conveying.


While pondering the concept of 'will' , I come up with the following:

Will can either be a desire, a choice, the energy behind both or the combination of all of it.

Although my perspective somewhat differs from your treatise, I believe they are fundamentally the same.

It would appear that the will of Lucifer is the foundation for the mindset of lucifer which is the current mindset of natural man. Therefore , this probably being true, it would not seek that which would destroy it.ie, the mind or will of God.
It has always been a fundamental question of mine since I found the path of freedom. Who will choose destruction? The very few.

To the mind of Lucifer, the will of God is a 'nothingness'. Lucifer minds do not want 'nothing'.

The lucifer mind (natural man) is designed to acquire objects and ideas that SATE the mind and senses with intrigue and emotional response.
The mind of God/Christ has no need of acquisition or satisfaction.

Many people have commited physical suicide upon realizing these truths...because they cannot find the way to CHANGE THEIR NATURE!

The sword that removes the natural mind to expose the original mind of God is the sword of Christ....I await the day of experiencing this.

Thank you for the profound post, Full On.

I would enjoy hearing a response !

OP: "For the orthodox christians reading this, Who were the 3 wise men that had foreknowledge of exactly when Christ would be born and also WHO he was? Why would 'heathen' easterners come to worship Christ? When you can understand this, you will understand Christ." from p. 3 of this thread.

The above quote needed repeating.

cite the scriptural authorities proving the doctrine of the bondage of the will and its attendant enslavement to the heart;

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Full On,

One more thing,

The above interested me. The will, being 'in bondage' ....is it a slave then to the heart ? As implied above.

It does make perfect sense to me, although the first part of the enslavement is not mentioned, but taken for granted, which is the first Tyrant, the MIND.

The split mind, driving the will with insane judgement and faulty reasoning ( natural male) 'intellect'

The conditional heart, driving the will with fearful emotion. (natural female) 'senses'

Wow, this is really getting interesting..(at least from my point of view, LOL)

I am in hopes you post more, Full On.

7435,

No comments to elucidate the repost?

bblater tonight

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12/19/2005 1:15 AM Re: Changing your Nature: The lucifer Ego and the Christ

As a matter of interest Kal the Bible is an eastern book, and the magi came because they knew the prophesies of the jews because daniel for some considerable time was their boss in ancient babylon and Media-persia, as well as he ancient sky/heaven knowledge again revealed by God in Genesis onwards.

You still havent shown what difference there is in the devils lie and your recent paraphrase of the same:"If you continue, you will not age, and you will understand all things.", this is a rehash of the original lie and deception by the devil in the garden of Eden.

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

And it is good you have sought after Him all your life,time to stop seeking and ever learning and come to acceptance of Him as the Truth, imo.
PS i do love you otherwise i wouldnt be talking/writing you.
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Ok, the above did shed some light on the three wisemen proposition.

As a matter of interest Kal the Bible is an eastern book, and the magi came because they knew the prophesies of the jews because daniel for some considerable time was their boss in ancient babylon and Media-persia, as well as he ancient sky/heaven knowledge again revealed by God in Genesis onwards.

You still havent shown what difference there is in the devils lie and your recent paraphrase of the same:"If you continue, you will not age, and you will understand all things.", this is a rehash of the original lie and deception by the devil in the garden of Eden.
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"bible is an eastern book"-
You may not want to say that to a Jew. It is written in Hebrew and is of Jewish authorship. I don't think the Jewish faith would appreciate you telling them their book is 'eastern'.


"they knew the prophecies of the jews..." etc..you are really reaching on that one...there is nothing recorded whatsoever that would back that up in the least.
For the wise men to know the day and exact location of the Christ's birth was miraculous. They worshipped him. Highly odd since they were of the east. Christ's own (the jews) killed him. Strangers (the wise men) recognized and worshipped him.

As far as not ageing, and understanding all things, that is the promise of resurrection...is that so hard to believe?

blast from the past.

back in the days that threads were actual discussions.