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I'd like to discuss how my garden is doing/not doing.
I would like to know how yours is doing also.
Edit to add, I'm in SW MIssouri.
With the "heat wave" alot of crops aren't going to make it. My garden is struggling. I water typically twice a day. I have lousy soil. I put 2 small dump truck loads of old horse manure on last year.

I'm a turbine mechanic and worked a combustion turbine job for 6 weeks this spring instead of getting my garden planted when most people around here did.
So mine is about 2 months behind.
My corn is mostly tassled, the best is about 6' tall.
Tomatoes are just beginning to produce, 1 or 2 smaller than a baseball per day now.
I have banana peppers out the fazoli. Green bells are becoming abundant. I planted over 50 pepper plants, about half of each. I tried cabbage again this year, doing ok till today, several almost melted into the ground with the rediculous solar radiation. I planted several Kayle pants, they seem impervious to both the heat and the grasshopper plague that is beginning, more on that later.

Several solar flares in the last few days, some quite significant. We still have our electric grid but we may not have any crops this fall.
I did not get much germination from my wonderful albino white zuchini, more tender than the black and grows faster, if you can believe that. 2 years ago one plant kept giving me white zuchini, I have been saving seed and this is my main zuchini crop.
Hubbard squash, first time last year did real well. I don't think it's going to come close this year. I need to put out traps for the racoons and possums, they love to eat the small squash leaves on the young plants in the middle of the night. Ticks me off. Amost completely decimated about 10 plants 2 weeks ago that were coming up real well. Stunted ever since, little or no growth. Still alive but barely.

Starting to see some corn ears forming too. Damn racoons can destroy alot of that just as it's about ready to pick. Last year had one coon destroy about 10 ears.

I think I'm going to have to start watering 3 times a day.
I had 2 or 3 hubbard squash plants that looked pretty good melt today.
Oddly, sometimes this week I see one plant disintegrate, while one identical next to it is fine, cosmic particle damage?
Crap i don't know but I've never seen anything like it.
Friggen grasshoppers are going to be bad this year. I don't like using poisons but I don't think I have any choice this year. Almost clouds of the little shits walking through the yard this afternoon. I spray around the yard peimeter and spend time almost every day chasing down the big flying adults and get personal by spraying each one individualy. I think word is getting around, fewer lately but the cloud of young concerns me. I've been misting my corn and tomatoes with permethrin. Keeps the hoppers off but isn't good for me or the bees.
How's your garden doing?broccoli

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Zone 7 SE TN

The flowers are all cooked. The ornamental grasses are weeping and the sunflowers are weeping bad too. My Koi pond was half empty this afternoon when I checked on it. The trees (even the young) and the vines are doing well in the heat and the sun except my new climbing hydrangeas - they are getting crispy. Elephant ears are getting toasty around the edges and some are wilting.

We've been having record breaking heat for a bit now and it's showing. My lawn is brown and the all clover lawn experiment in the front is shot too..
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I noticed today that the only vegetation in my yard doing any good, not toasted dry and crisp, is what gets overspray from my watering. A real hotspot for the young grasshoppers, I sprayed rthat twice today with a mist of permethrin, trying to stay ahead of them.
My/our herb garden has a couple surprises, rhubarb, with large leaves is doing great, one plant, first time, doesn't wilt in the heat like squash and corn.
I thought my corn was toast today. It didn't look good at all. Still doesn't, alot of it, peaches and cream sweet corn. I also planted ambrosia, seems to hold up better.
The peaches isn't perking up as fast today. I'll prolly water again before bed.
Within minutes of watering it and squashes perk right back up though. Amazing.
Worst part is I seem to be losing a few plants every day.
2 or 3 Hubbard that looked good this morning, tomorrow I'll know better about the several cabbage that seemed to melt today.

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I garden in Nebraska. 102 degrees today and the garden is suffering. I'm getting cucumbers and cherry tomatoes now(lettuce and radishes earlier)but without constant watering, everything looks nearly dead in hours.
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Zone 7 Here, Southern Oregon

Artichoke plant is huge and producing like crazy, pepper plants too. Lettuce went nuts but is now starting to bolt. Zucchini seems really stunted for some reason. Tomatoes have flowers but no fruit yet. Cukes are flowering as well. We had a really wet and mild June but now the heat is here.
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I hate to say it but I really don't expect much harvest this year but I've gotta try. It's sure alot of work.
Food at the store just sucks.
I plan to pick a half bushel or so of peppers tomorrow. Slice them in a processor probably, freeze them till I get more tomatoes and then I'll cook what venison I have left from last year and make my famous spagetti sauce, pressure cook it up.
Did about 40 quarts last year.
That sounds good. Might make a late supper.
Scratch that, sounds good for tomorrow. Beef Brats and potato sald, gift from GF's mom, left over from 4th of July party saturday. Whole lot less work.
Spagetti tomorrow.

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My tactics for squash beetles.....

Do you know why they are called squash beetles?

That's how I deal with them. I watch for eggs on top of leaves when watering, I tear out only the egged area. The leaf will live on.
Last year every day I checked every leaf......
Dang what a hassle.
Doing alot of checking again this year but not as much squash in the ground. Between my late planting and the dang possums eating the plants I don't have the huge quantitiy I had last year.
When the sun comes up they like to sun on top of the leaves, good time to patrol for bugs. Squash 'em wit me fingers I do.
While watering or just after you'll see them moving around.
Squash the buggers. Haven't had any egg hatchngs and clouds of baby bugs yet.
Grasshoppers are gonna be bad.....I see it coming.
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My daughter will be moving to Missouri next week. She will be at Whiteman Air Force base. She wants to garden so when do you normally plant? We usually plant summer crops in late April.

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I'm in KC, and my tomatoes are suffering. They are in 5 gal pots with a full 8 hrs of sun on my porch, but I travel for work for 4 straight days each week. They were fine until this past week, and I lost a few plants and a few more had lots of dried up leaves. Some have tiny little green tomatoes on them.

So my question is: should I put them all in the shade or bring them inside while I'm gone?
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Get some soaker hoses. I just got some today and wow, what a difference. It uses a lot less water, too and you can get it down deep to the roots, where it really counts.
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My anaheim chili pepper plant is loving the heat with minimal watering. That was quite a surprise! And My peppermint and ornamental sweet potato are loving the heat too.
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Eggplant, peppers, tomatoes, okra all love heat. Toms can take less than the others I mentioned but can take a lot compared to many other veggies. I grow in heat that is nomally in the triple digits up to 115 degrees in the shade in summer. These plants continue to produce right through it. Heat and drought is how I have to garden here and those are my mainstays in the summer months.
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Get some soaker hoses. I just got some today and wow, what a difference. It uses a lot less water, too and you can get it down deep to the roots, where it really counts.
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I don't have any outside water source for them. I water them with a watering can every morning when I'm home (I have 20 tomato plants alone, so I make a lot of trips in and out of the house) but they don't get any water while I'm gone and forget the non existant rain! I just wonder if they will still produce if they don't get the 8 hrs of sun each day?
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Get some soaker hoses. I just got some today and wow, what a difference. It uses a lot less water, too and you can get it down deep to the roots, where it really counts.
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I don't have any outside water source for them. I water them with a watering can every morning when I'm home (I have 20 tomato plants alone, so I make a lot of trips in and out of the house) but they don't get any water while I'm gone and forget the non existant rain! I just wonder if they will still produce if they don't get the 8 hrs of sun each day?
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In that kind of heat, they don't need 8 hrs of sun a day. Actually they only need about 6, but in extreme heat, they like quite a bit of shade. The indirect sunlight should be enough to make up for it.
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My daughter will be moving to Missouri next week. She will be at Whiteman Air Force base. She wants to garden so when do you normally plant? We usually plant summer crops in late April.
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Each species has a different time of year. Heck, I'm thinking of starting more seedlings. White zuchini and some 3 lobe sweet green bell peppers. Don't know the name but they were my favorite last year. Must have bought plants at the flea market.....no clue what name was.

Planting info can be gotten from the locals, Omish, or internet.
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Get some soaker hoses. I just got some today and wow, what a difference. It uses a lot less water, too and you can get it down deep to the roots, where it really counts.
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By the looks of my sweet corn this afternoon i think I may do that tomorrow morning. Slight hill here. I can put one along a row of tomatoes, get them, then cabbage, then into 4 rows of corn as it soaks downhill.
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Get some soaker hoses. I just got some today and wow, what a difference. It uses a lot less water, too and you can get it down deep to the roots, where it really counts.
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I don't have any outside water source for them. I water them with a watering can every morning when I'm home (I have 20 tomato plants alone, so I make a lot of trips in and out of the house) but they don't get any water while I'm gone and forget the non existant rain! I just wonder if they will still produce if they don't get the 8 hrs of sun each day?
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In that kind of heat, they don't need 8 hrs of sun a day. Actually they only need about 6, but in extreme heat, they like quite a bit of shade. The indirect sunlight should be enough to make up for it.
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Forgot to say, don't get the leaves wet when they are in shady spots, even in that kind of heat, powdery mildew can strike if the plants are crowded and get too wet on the greenery.

Otherwise, you should be OK.
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Get some soaker hoses. I just got some today and wow, what a difference. It uses a lot less water, too and you can get it down deep to the roots, where it really counts.
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By the looks of my sweet corn this afternoon i think I may do that tomorrow morning. Slight hill here. I can put one along a row of tomatoes, get them, then cabbage, then into 4 rows of corn as it soaks downhill.
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Yes, I got the soakers to water the okra I have growing on a slope. They'll be great for what you mentioned. I have almost everything else in growbags and just water with the hose for that. My setup wont allow soakers all over everything.
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Eggplant, peppers, tomatoes, okra all love heat. Toms can take less than the others I mentioned but can take a lot compared to many other veggies. I grow in heat that is nomally in the triple digits up to 115 degrees in the shade in summer. These plants continue to produce right through it. Heat and drought is how I have to garden here and those are my mainstays in the summer months.
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I'm definately taking note of the hardiest species and the ones the Grasshoppers don't like.
I've taken a liking to Kayle, good on sammiches.
Probably the one thing that's doing the best. Well, that and huge piles of peppers. They are going like gangbusters. Biggest banana plants have 8-12 peppers and longest are about 5-6".
Best bells have 4-5 and large plump. Gonna pick a mess in the morning. I would geuss a bushel or close to it.

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I am in Zone 8B- it has been wetter and a little cooler than usual- at least we don't seem to be having the same kind of heat wave as the mid-west.

The melons are getting too damp and they are rotting on the ground before maturing. The corn looks okay and so do the green beans. I planted lima beans and was letting them dry on the vine but some of them developed mildew because of the dampness. I think my winter gardens do better than my summer gardens.
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Eggplant, peppers, tomatoes, okra all love heat. Toms can take less than the others I mentioned but can take a lot compared to many other veggies. I grow in heat that is nomally in the triple digits up to 115 degrees in the shade in summer. These plants continue to produce right through it. Heat and drought is how I have to garden here and those are my mainstays in the summer months.
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I'm definately taking note of the hardiest species and the ones the Grasshoppers don't like.
I've taken a liking to Kayle, good on sammiches.
Probably the one thing that's doing the best. Well, that and huge piles of pappers. They are going like gangbusters. Biggest banana plants have 8-12 peppers and longest are about 5-6".
Best bells have 4-5 and large plump. Gonna pick a mess in the morning. I would geuss a bushel or close to it.
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Melons of any type are total heat lovers. I used to grow 5,000 plants at a time. The drier it is the more they like it, except the do use a lot of water at first and when growing. At the end, you restrict water to them to let them sweeten. Too late for you to plant those this year, but maybe something to consider for next year. Irrigation on these is at the base of the plant, taking care not to get the greenery and melons sitting in the wet. Wet roots, dry ground for the melons to lay on, you will have a bumper crop in hot climates.
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I wonder if Neems oil would work?
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“These fruits are designed to sustain Man’s life. More powerfully and effectively than any manufactured drugs of the present or future, these fruits are capable of counteracting and withstanding any disease of the human body.

“But to this end the seed must know about the human condition. So that during the maturation process it can satiate its fruit with the right correlation of substances to heal a specific individual of his disease, if indeed he has it or is prone to it.

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How do you folks get the area codes?
Is that from the farmers almanac or something?

Could everyone give their state and a city would be nice...?

I'm 70 miles nw of Springfield, Missouri, USA
SW corner of the state.

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Get some soaker hoses. I just got some today and wow, what a difference. It uses a lot less water, too and you can get it down deep to the roots, where it really counts.
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I don't have any outside water source for them. I water them with a watering can every morning when I'm home (I have 20 tomato plants alone, so I make a lot of trips in and out of the house) but they don't get any water while I'm gone and forget the non existant rain! I just wonder if they will still produce if they don't get the 8 hrs of sun each day?
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In that kind of heat, they don't need 8 hrs of sun a day. Actually they only need about 6, but in extreme heat, they like quite a bit of shade. The indirect sunlight should be enough to make up for it.
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thanks for the info!! I will move them tonight!Goofy Thum
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diatomaceous earth works really well.
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For real heat loving beans, get the Asian longbeans, preferably the ones that originated in Thailand. They produce tons of tasty beans and can take a lot of heat, the more you pick the more they produce. I just started mine 3 days ago and they are already out and growing fast. I get mine from Baker Creek, the other places I ordered, the germination has not been that great. They are expensive, but you can save the seeds.

Some get to be 30 inches long or better. You can do anything with these that you can do with a green bean, but I like them better.

8 beans makes a meal for 2 people.
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How do you folks get the area codes?
Is that from the farmers almanac or something?

Could everyone give their state and a city would be nice...

I'm 70 miles nw of Springfield, Missouri, USA
SW corner of the state.
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Kansas City, MO here

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