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For those that rely on religion or government to dictate their lives......
If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing.

It's time we grow up.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing.

It's time we grow up.
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Where is what's moral or immoral defined. What if your moral guidlines are slightly different than others? Who's to say you're right and they're wrong? What if their morals are wrong, in your opinion, but not in theirs?

You believe in anarchy?
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If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing.

It's time we grow up.
 Quoting: ajk


Where is what's moral or immoral defined. What if your moral guidlines are slightly different than others? Who's to say you're right and they're wrong? What if their morals are wrong, in your opinion, but not in theirs?

You believe in anarchy?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 119873


I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Re: For those that rely on religion or government to dictate their lives......
If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing.

It's time we grow up.
 Quoting: ajk


Where is what's moral or immoral defined. What if your moral guidlines are slightly different than others? Who's to say you're right and they're wrong? What if their morals are wrong, in your opinion, but not in theirs?

You believe in anarchy?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 119873


I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about.
 Quoting: ajk


what consequences? In your ideal world, why would there be any consequences? That would mean that in your world there are punishable actions that can be committed. Who determines what actions are punishable or not?
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Where do you receive your morality from ?
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If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing.

It's time we grow up.
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It is called being an American

It is called freedom


remember, you came to the conclusions you posted when you were a child....
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Where do you receive your morality from ?
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Common sense, I suggest you get acquainted with it. EVERYONE should know you shouldn't steal, EVERYONE should know you shouldn't kill or do otherwise harm to another being. If you don't, no amount of moral code is gonna save you.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Re: For those that rely on religion or government to dictate their lives......
If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing.

It's time we grow up.
 Quoting: ajk


It is called being an American

It is called freedom


remember, you came to the conclusions you posted when you were a child....
 Quoting: Sugarelf


Freedom can only exist, when you have the freedom to do ANYTHING you want to do in your personal life provided no one is being harmed in the process, without someone else telling you you cannot. Anything less than that, is not freedom.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Re: For those that rely on religion or government to dictate their lives......
If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing.

It's time we grow up.
 Quoting: ajk


Where is what's moral or immoral defined. What if your moral guidlines are slightly different than others? Who's to say you're right and they're wrong? What if their morals are wrong, in your opinion, but not in theirs?

You believe in anarchy?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 119873


I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about.
 Quoting: ajk


what consequences? In your ideal world, why would there be any consequences? That would mean that in your world there are punishable actions that can be committed. Who determines what actions are punishable or not?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 119873


Universal law. Not too hard. Again, don't kill, don't steal, don't harm another being. That's all you need. Everything else is man trying to control.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Where do you receive your morality from ?
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Common sense, I suggest you get acquainted with it. EVERYONE should know you shouldn't steal, EVERYONE should know you shouldn't kill or do otherwise harm to another being. If you don't, no amount of moral code is gonna save you.
 Quoting: ajk


Wrong ! You receive it from your God-given Conscience . And don't you know , common sense ain't so common ? It's is a scientific fact that we get morality from our conscience .
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Please be careful, with the word "universal". "Catholic" means "universal". naughty
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Where is what's moral or immoral defined. What if your moral guidlines are slightly different than others? Who's to say you're right and they're wrong? What if their morals are wrong, in your opinion, but not in theirs?

You believe in anarchy?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 119873


I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about.
 Quoting: ajk


what consequences? In your ideal world, why would there be any consequences? That would mean that in your world there are punishable actions that can be committed. Who determines what actions are punishable or not?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 119873


Universal law. Not too hard. Again, don't kill, don't steal, don't harm another being. That's all you need. Everything else is man trying to control.
 Quoting: ajk



Universal law? And where did that law come from? Some people believe it's okay to step on other people in order to achieve their goals, and they're perfectly okay with that. Who are you to push your "universal law" on them? Maybe they hold to a "strongest will survive" belief system.
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I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about.
 Quoting: ajk


what consequences? In your ideal world, why would there be any consequences? That would mean that in your world there are punishable actions that can be committed. Who determines what actions are punishable or not?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 119873


Universal law. Not too hard. Again, don't kill, don't steal, don't harm another being. That's all you need. Everything else is man trying to control.
 Quoting: ajk



Universal law? And where did that law come from? Some people believe it's okay to step on other people in order to achieve their goals, and they're perfectly okay with that. Who are you to push your "universal law" on them? Maybe they hold to a "strongest will survive" belief system.
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Learn to read please, I outlined it right there in my post. We ALL know what's right and wrong innately, and we ALL know when we do bad even if we don't acknowledge it.

Last Edited by ajk on 07/06/2012 10:23 AM
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Where do you receive your morality from ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10232384


Common sense, I suggest you get acquainted with it. EVERYONE should know you shouldn't steal, EVERYONE should know you shouldn't kill or do otherwise harm to another being. If you don't, no amount of moral code is gonna save you.
 Quoting: ajk


Wrong ! You receive it from your God-given Conscience . And don't you know , common sense ain't so common ? It's is a scientific fact that we get morality from our conscience .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10232384


Well however you wanna slice it, it's NOT from man to tell us what to do.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Where do you receive your morality from ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10232384


Common sense, I suggest you get acquainted with it. EVERYONE should know you shouldn't steal, EVERYONE should know you shouldn't kill or do otherwise harm to another being. If you don't, no amount of moral code is gonna save you.
 Quoting: ajk


Wrong ! You receive it from your God-given Conscience . And don't you know , common sense ain't so common ? It's is a scientific fact that we get morality from our conscience .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10232384


Well however you wanna slice it, it's NOT from man to tell us what to do.
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No , God is Sovereign !
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Re: For those that rely on religion or government to dictate their lives......
If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing.

It's time we grow up.
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Absolutely! make up your own morality! Anything goes, nothing is wrong or immoral any longer!
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If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing.

It's time we grow up.
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By your reasoning, are we allowed to have a different standard of morality then yours?
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How about this,

The only thing immoral in this world is the harm you happen to do to others. Every thing else goes.
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Re: For those that rely on religion or government to dictate their lives......
If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing.

It's time we grow up.
 Quoting: ajk
By your reasoning, are we allowed to have a different standard of morality then yours?
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If you're not harming anyone in the process, absolutely!
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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How about this,

The only thing immoral in this world is the harm you happen to do to others. Every thing else goes.
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Thank you! It's really so very simple, man is what fucks it all up.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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what consequences? In your ideal world, why would there be any consequences? That would mean that in your world there are punishable actions that can be committed. Who determines what actions are punishable or not?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 119873


Universal law. Not too hard. Again, don't kill, don't steal, don't harm another being. That's all you need. Everything else is man trying to control.
 Quoting: ajk



Universal law? And where did that law come from? Some people believe it's okay to step on other people in order to achieve their goals, and they're perfectly okay with that. Who are you to push your "universal law" on them? Maybe they hold to a "strongest will survive" belief system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 119873


Learn to read please, I outlined it right there in my post. We ALL know what's right and wrong innately, and we ALL know when we do bad even if we don't acknowledge it.
 Quoting: ajk



Do you believe it's wrong to look at a random woman and lust for her? Do you believe it's wrong to have hatred in your heart for another person?
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I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about.
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You believe in personal freedom yet want to define the meaning of that for the rest of us and dictate to us the allowable parameters of our belief system?

Yeah, ok.
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I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about.
 Quoting: ajk


You believe in personal freedom yet want to define the meaning of that for the rest of us and dictate to us the allowable parameters of our belief system?

Yeah, ok.
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What part of personal freedom don't you get? You can do ANYTHING you want if you aren't harming another, hell believe anything you want even. But your rights end where someone else's begins.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Nice thread OP, unfortunately, calm, rational and sensible threads usually die a quick death. Here's hoping that yours flies.

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I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about.
 Quoting: ajk


You believe in personal freedom yet want to define the meaning of that for the rest of us and dictate to us the allowable parameters of our belief system?

Yeah, ok.
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What part of personal freedom don't you get? You can do ANYTHING you want if you aren't harming another, hell believe anything you want even. But your rights end where someone else's begins.
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The part where YOU want to dictate who or what defines MY belief system.
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I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about.
 Quoting: ajk


You believe in personal freedom yet want to define the meaning of that for the rest of us and dictate to us the allowable parameters of our belief system?

Yeah, ok.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


What part of personal freedom don't you get? You can do ANYTHING you want if you aren't harming another, hell believe anything you want even. But your rights end where someone else's begins.
 Quoting: ajk


The part where YOU want to dictate who or what defines MY belief system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


What he is saying is that no one should tell others what to do.
Just do no harm.

WTF is wrong with you? Dropped to many times on your head it seems like.
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Natures law is my law. Abide by your own free conscience.
Inside you know what is right and wrong.
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You believe in personal freedom yet want to define the meaning of that for the rest of us and dictate to us the allowable parameters of our belief system?

Yeah, ok.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


What part of personal freedom don't you get? You can do ANYTHING you want if you aren't harming another, hell believe anything you want even. But your rights end where someone else's begins.
 Quoting: ajk


The part where YOU want to dictate who or what defines MY belief system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


What he is saying is that no one should tell others what to do.
Just do no harm.

WTF is wrong with you? Dropped to many times on your head it seems like.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 506563

Do no harm? Like insulting me for questioning the OP's assertion that I abandon my belief system simply because they say so?

Looks like the prototype needs more work.

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