For those that rely on religion or government to dictate their lives...... | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 119873 United States 07/06/2012 08:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing. Quoting: ajk It's time we grow up. Where is what's moral or immoral defined. What if your moral guidlines are slightly different than others? Who's to say you're right and they're wrong? What if their morals are wrong, in your opinion, but not in theirs? You believe in anarchy? |
ajk (OP) User ID: 1114631 United States 07/06/2012 08:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing. Quoting: ajk It's time we grow up. Where is what's moral or immoral defined. What if your moral guidlines are slightly different than others? Who's to say you're right and they're wrong? What if their morals are wrong, in your opinion, but not in theirs? You believe in anarchy? I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about. No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds. Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God. If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government "Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn "This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll "If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18174013 United States 07/06/2012 08:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 119873 United States 07/06/2012 09:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing. Quoting: ajk It's time we grow up. Where is what's moral or immoral defined. What if your moral guidlines are slightly different than others? Who's to say you're right and they're wrong? What if their morals are wrong, in your opinion, but not in theirs? You believe in anarchy? I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about. what consequences? In your ideal world, why would there be any consequences? That would mean that in your world there are punishable actions that can be committed. Who determines what actions are punishable or not? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10232384 Ireland 07/06/2012 09:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7057750 United States 07/06/2012 09:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing. Quoting: ajk It's time we grow up. It is called being an American It is called freedom remember, you came to the conclusions you posted when you were a child.... |
ajk (OP) User ID: 1114631 United States 07/06/2012 09:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Common sense, I suggest you get acquainted with it. EVERYONE should know you shouldn't steal, EVERYONE should know you shouldn't kill or do otherwise harm to another being. If you don't, no amount of moral code is gonna save you. No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds. Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God. If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government "Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn "This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll "If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy." |
ajk (OP) User ID: 1114631 United States 07/06/2012 09:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing. Quoting: ajk It's time we grow up. It is called being an American It is called freedom remember, you came to the conclusions you posted when you were a child.... Freedom can only exist, when you have the freedom to do ANYTHING you want to do in your personal life provided no one is being harmed in the process, without someone else telling you you cannot. Anything less than that, is not freedom. No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds. Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God. If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government "Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn "This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll "If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy." |
ajk (OP) User ID: 1114631 United States 07/06/2012 09:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing. Quoting: ajk It's time we grow up. Where is what's moral or immoral defined. What if your moral guidlines are slightly different than others? Who's to say you're right and they're wrong? What if their morals are wrong, in your opinion, but not in theirs? You believe in anarchy? I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about. what consequences? In your ideal world, why would there be any consequences? That would mean that in your world there are punishable actions that can be committed. Who determines what actions are punishable or not? Universal law. Not too hard. Again, don't kill, don't steal, don't harm another being. That's all you need. Everything else is man trying to control. No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds. Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God. If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government "Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn "This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll "If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10232384 Ireland 07/06/2012 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Common sense, I suggest you get acquainted with it. EVERYONE should know you shouldn't steal, EVERYONE should know you shouldn't kill or do otherwise harm to another being. If you don't, no amount of moral code is gonna save you. Wrong ! You receive it from your God-given Conscience . And don't you know , common sense ain't so common ? It's is a scientific fact that we get morality from our conscience . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19232089 Germany 07/06/2012 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19232138 United States 07/06/2012 09:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 119873 United States 07/06/2012 09:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 119873 Where is what's moral or immoral defined. What if your moral guidlines are slightly different than others? Who's to say you're right and they're wrong? What if their morals are wrong, in your opinion, but not in theirs? You believe in anarchy? I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about. what consequences? In your ideal world, why would there be any consequences? That would mean that in your world there are punishable actions that can be committed. Who determines what actions are punishable or not? Universal law. Not too hard. Again, don't kill, don't steal, don't harm another being. That's all you need. Everything else is man trying to control. Universal law? And where did that law come from? Some people believe it's okay to step on other people in order to achieve their goals, and they're perfectly okay with that. Who are you to push your "universal law" on them? Maybe they hold to a "strongest will survive" belief system. |
Illuminatvs Primvs User ID: 1464392 United States 07/06/2012 10:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
ajk (OP) User ID: 1114631 United States 07/06/2012 10:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ajk I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about. what consequences? In your ideal world, why would there be any consequences? That would mean that in your world there are punishable actions that can be committed. Who determines what actions are punishable or not? Universal law. Not too hard. Again, don't kill, don't steal, don't harm another being. That's all you need. Everything else is man trying to control. Universal law? And where did that law come from? Some people believe it's okay to step on other people in order to achieve their goals, and they're perfectly okay with that. Who are you to push your "universal law" on them? Maybe they hold to a "strongest will survive" belief system. Learn to read please, I outlined it right there in my post. We ALL know what's right and wrong innately, and we ALL know when we do bad even if we don't acknowledge it. Last Edited by ajk on 07/06/2012 10:23 AM No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds. Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God. If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government "Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn "This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll "If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy." |
ajk (OP) User ID: 1114631 United States 07/06/2012 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Common sense, I suggest you get acquainted with it. EVERYONE should know you shouldn't steal, EVERYONE should know you shouldn't kill or do otherwise harm to another being. If you don't, no amount of moral code is gonna save you. Wrong ! You receive it from your God-given Conscience . And don't you know , common sense ain't so common ? It's is a scientific fact that we get morality from our conscience . Well however you wanna slice it, it's NOT from man to tell us what to do. No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds. Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God. If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government "Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn "This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll "If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10232384 Ireland 07/06/2012 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Common sense, I suggest you get acquainted with it. EVERYONE should know you shouldn't steal, EVERYONE should know you shouldn't kill or do otherwise harm to another being. If you don't, no amount of moral code is gonna save you. Wrong ! You receive it from your God-given Conscience . And don't you know , common sense ain't so common ? It's is a scientific fact that we get morality from our conscience . Well however you wanna slice it, it's NOT from man to tell us what to do. No , God is Sovereign ! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 438701 United States 07/06/2012 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing. Quoting: ajk It's time we grow up. Absolutely! make up your own morality! Anything goes, nothing is wrong or immoral any longer! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 438701 United States 07/06/2012 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing. Quoting: ajk It's time we grow up. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 506563 Canada 07/06/2012 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
ajk (OP) User ID: 1114631 United States 07/06/2012 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you need a church, a book or a priest to tell you what is moral or immoral, or a politician or police officer to tell you what's right or wrong, then you need more help than any of those things can give you. It's time we let go of our dependency on others to tell us what to do, and start to think for ourselves. We are supposed to be adults, not children. We need to start acting as such, and take responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of relying on others to do it for us, or to tell us what we should or should not be doing. Quoting: ajk It's time we grow up. If you're not harming anyone in the process, absolutely! No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds. Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God. If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government "Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn "This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll "If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy." |
ajk (OP) User ID: 1114631 United States 07/06/2012 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about this, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 506563 The only thing immoral in this world is the harm you happen to do to others. Every thing else goes. Thank you! It's really so very simple, man is what fucks it all up. No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds. Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God. If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government "Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn "This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll "If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 119873 United States 07/06/2012 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 119873 what consequences? In your ideal world, why would there be any consequences? That would mean that in your world there are punishable actions that can be committed. Who determines what actions are punishable or not? Universal law. Not too hard. Again, don't kill, don't steal, don't harm another being. That's all you need. Everything else is man trying to control. Universal law? And where did that law come from? Some people believe it's okay to step on other people in order to achieve their goals, and they're perfectly okay with that. Who are you to push your "universal law" on them? Maybe they hold to a "strongest will survive" belief system. Learn to read please, I outlined it right there in my post. We ALL know what's right and wrong innately, and we ALL know when we do bad even if we don't acknowledge it. Do you believe it's wrong to look at a random woman and lust for her? Do you believe it's wrong to have hatred in your heart for another person? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10783814 United States 07/06/2012 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about. Quoting: ajk You believe in personal freedom yet want to define the meaning of that for the rest of us and dictate to us the allowable parameters of our belief system? Yeah, ok. |
ajk (OP) User ID: 1114631 United States 07/06/2012 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about. Quoting: ajk You believe in personal freedom yet want to define the meaning of that for the rest of us and dictate to us the allowable parameters of our belief system? Yeah, ok. What part of personal freedom don't you get? You can do ANYTHING you want if you aren't harming another, hell believe anything you want even. But your rights end where someone else's begins. No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds. Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God. If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government "Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn "This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll "If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy." |
skymovingcloud User ID: 11171736 United Kingdom 07/06/2012 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10783814 United States 07/06/2012 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about. Quoting: ajk You believe in personal freedom yet want to define the meaning of that for the rest of us and dictate to us the allowable parameters of our belief system? Yeah, ok. What part of personal freedom don't you get? You can do ANYTHING you want if you aren't harming another, hell believe anything you want even. But your rights end where someone else's begins. The part where YOU want to dictate who or what defines MY belief system. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 506563 Canada 07/06/2012 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe in personal responsibility, personal freedom. You make the choice, you OWN it and any consequences, it shouldn't be based on a religious belief, or what a government dictates. That isn't what freedom is about. Quoting: ajk You believe in personal freedom yet want to define the meaning of that for the rest of us and dictate to us the allowable parameters of our belief system? Yeah, ok. What part of personal freedom don't you get? You can do ANYTHING you want if you aren't harming another, hell believe anything you want even. But your rights end where someone else's begins. The part where YOU want to dictate who or what defines MY belief system. What he is saying is that no one should tell others what to do. Just do no harm. WTF is wrong with you? Dropped to many times on your head it seems like. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19234557 United States 07/06/2012 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10783814 United States 07/06/2012 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814 You believe in personal freedom yet want to define the meaning of that for the rest of us and dictate to us the allowable parameters of our belief system? Yeah, ok. What part of personal freedom don't you get? You can do ANYTHING you want if you aren't harming another, hell believe anything you want even. But your rights end where someone else's begins. The part where YOU want to dictate who or what defines MY belief system. What he is saying is that no one should tell others what to do. Just do no harm. WTF is wrong with you? Dropped to many times on your head it seems like. Do no harm? Like insulting me for questioning the OP's assertion that I abandon my belief system simply because they say so? Looks like the prototype needs more work. |