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Éireann
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Unfreaking REAL! : LGBT for Barack Obama Stickers as a Campaign Slogan????
This is utter bullshit. I don't care who sleeps with who and my friends who are lesbian or gay are completely AGAINST any kind of special rights or parades or other crap that endangers their RIGHT to love whom they choose and just live life as an American.

They go to work, pay taxes, have degrees, do community work, live life, are great neighbors and their sexuality is NO ONES business. They don't believe in legislating morality because it is political and has nothing to do with the advancement of human spirituality or morality!

Now check this out. Yep. LGBT for Barack Obama bumper stickers as a campaign slogan???

[link to www.barackobama.com]

Just CRAP!
Éireann~

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"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

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 Quoting: Éireann


Oh, look!

"Just let us know where to send it by filling in your information below."

Know anybody you think deserves a nice gay Obama sticker delivered to them?
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Why is he looking down and smiling like The Joker?
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What's LGBT?
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What's LGBT?
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Wtf???
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 Quoting: Éireann


Oh, look!

"Just let us know where to send it by filling in your information below."

Know anybody you think deserves a nice gay Obama sticker delivered to them?
 Quoting: goodmockingbird


No. I'm absolutely shocked by such a ploy. This President has no shame. He will use anything and everyone to his advantage and in glaringly plain sight.

Last Edited by Éireann on 07/06/2012 04:55 PM
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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What's LGBT?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6673466


Wtf???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13158115

lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind.
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Why is he looking down and smiling like The Joker?
 Quoting: FierySky


Gee. I wonder.

huffy

I thought that too, FierySky. Pissed me off the more I looked at it.
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind.
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 Quoting: Éireann


Oh, look!

"Just let us know where to send it by filling in your information below."

Know anybody you think deserves a nice gay Obama sticker delivered to them?
 Quoting: goodmockingbird


No. I'm absolutely shocked by such a ploy. This President has no shame. He will use anything and everyone to his advantage and it glaringly plain sight.
 Quoting: Éireann


Do you have the same anger toward the Log Cabin Republicans, or are they ok because they've "signed up with the right team"?
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 Quoting: Éireann


Oh, look!

"Just let us know where to send it by filling in your information below."

Know anybody you think deserves a nice gay Obama sticker delivered to them?
 Quoting: goodmockingbird


Can't help but wonder if there is a double agenda here given that to get one of those "cause" stickers one would have to give every bit of info that would make them easy to locate later.
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind.
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 Quoting: Éireann


Oh, look!

"Just let us know where to send it by filling in your information below."

Know anybody you think deserves a nice gay Obama sticker delivered to them?
 Quoting: goodmockingbird


No. I'm absolutely shocked by such a ploy. This President has no shame. He will use anything and everyone to his advantage and it glaringly plain sight.
 Quoting: Éireann


Do you have the same anger toward the Log Cabin Republicans, or are they ok because they've "signed up with the right team"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15015575


You've judged me unfairly.

I have no party or religious affiliation deciding how I think. I believe in common sense and to live and let live. I would not have posted this thread had I not had a 2 hour conversation today with two of my closest friends who happen to be Lesbians and have been together for 32 years.

They are pissed and so am I. They know what all of this "gay rights" shit is about and they don't want any part of it.

Last Edited by Éireann on 07/06/2012 05:06 PM
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind.
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I think this really needs to be discussed. This is NOT a gay bashing thread - period. I'm looking for some insight into this ploy being used by Barack Obama's reelection campaign. I believe the ramifications of this are two fold:

1. Votes
2. Data Mining to pin point those in the gay community who will cause a threat when all of the promises turn out to be lies. Not that this President has ever lied....of course.
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind.
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They are pissed and so am I. They know what all of this "gay rights" shit is about and they don't want any part of it.
 Quoting: Éireann


Um... The right to the same benefits that straight couples have - since gay couples are paying the same taxes?

Equal taxes Equal rights.

If conservatives are soo 'small government' and 'for personal liberty' they should be the ones championing civil rights for gay people.

They aren't SPECIAL rights - they're the same rights other coupled adults have.

Who cares what the NAME is. If the religious right gets all twisted up calling it 'marriage' that's fine. But at least grant civil unions that are completely equal to the rights in a marriage.

The problem is there are two parts to 'marriage' -- but you can have 1 without the other.

the civil part gives you the rights and benefits.
the religious part gives you the ceremony.

Not everyone participates in the religious part.
And some have a religious ceremony but never get any sort of official paperwork.

Every gay person I know just wants to be able to visit their loved ones in the hospital, inherit property upon death, file joint tax returns, etc.

And unfortunately -- without granting them the over 1,400 rights that come with a marriage certificate, most of that is unachievable. You can google story upon story of a gay couple where one of them died. And despite having a will their family came in and blocked the inheritance from going to the surviving partner.

That's BS.
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They are pissed and so am I. They know what all of this "gay rights" shit is about and they don't want any part of it.
 Quoting: Éireann


Um... The right to the same benefits that straight couples have - since gay couples are paying the same taxes?

Equal taxes Equal rights.

If conservatives are soo 'small government' and 'for personal liberty' they should be the ones championing civil rights for gay people.

They aren't SPECIAL rights - they're the same rights other coupled adults have.

Who cares what the NAME is. If the religious right gets all twisted up calling it 'marriage' that's fine. But at least grant civil unions that are completely equal to the rights in a marriage.

The problem is there are two parts to 'marriage' -- but you can have 1 without the other.

the civil part gives you the rights and benefits.
the religious part gives you the ceremony.

Not everyone participates in the religious part.
And some have a religious ceremony but never get any sort of official paperwork.

Every gay person I know just wants to be able to visit their loved ones in the hospital, inherit property upon death, file joint tax returns, etc.

And unfortunately -- without granting them the over 1,400 rights that come with a marriage certificate, most of that is unachievable. You can google story upon story of a gay couple where one of them died. And despite having a will their family came in and blocked the inheritance from going to the surviving partner.

That's BS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1538130

It's already in the Constitution. We don't need an amendment to give people in love the right to pursue Life, Liberty and Happiness. It's fucking common sense. The Constitution was never meant to legislate a person's view of morality. If people have problems with those that are gay....don't associate. But my gay & lesbian friends are the ones who made me realize the dangers of special interest groups pushing the legislation of morality.
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind.
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I think this really needs to be discussed. This is NOT a gay bashing thread - period. I'm looking for some insight into this ploy being used by Barack Obama's reelection campaign. I believe the ramifications of this are two fold:

1. Votes
2. Data Mining to pin point those in the gay community who will cause a threat when all of the promises turn out to be lies. Not that this President has ever lied....of course.
 Quoting: Éireann


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Why is he looking down and smiling like The Joker?
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They are pissed and so am I. They know what all of this "gay rights" shit is about and they don't want any part of it.
 Quoting: Éireann


Um... The right to the same benefits that straight couples have - since gay couples are paying the same taxes?

Equal taxes Equal rights.

If conservatives are soo 'small government' and 'for personal liberty' they should be the ones championing civil rights for gay people.

They aren't SPECIAL rights - they're the same rights other coupled adults have.

Who cares what the NAME is. If the religious right gets all twisted up calling it 'marriage' that's fine. But at least grant civil unions that are completely equal to the rights in a marriage.

The problem is there are two parts to 'marriage' -- but you can have 1 without the other.

the civil part gives you the rights and benefits.
the religious part gives you the ceremony.

Not everyone participates in the religious part.
And some have a religious ceremony but never get any sort of official paperwork.

Every gay person I know just wants to be able to visit their loved ones in the hospital, inherit property upon death, file joint tax returns, etc.

And unfortunately -- without granting them the over 1,400 rights that come with a marriage certificate, most of that is unachievable. You can google story upon story of a gay couple where one of them died. And despite having a will their family came in and blocked the inheritance from going to the surviving partner.

That's BS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1538130

It's already in the Constitution. We don't need an amendment to give people in love the right to pursue Life, Liberty and Happiness. It's fucking common sense. The Constitution was never meant to legislate a person's view of morality. If people have problems with those that are gay....don't associate. But my gay & lesbian friends are the ones who made me realize the dangers of special interest groups pushing the legislation of morality.
 Quoting: Éireann


You really do have to question as to why so many government and big business institutions are constantly data mining and "profiling" the public. What is the purpose of all the information they gather? It's very unusual and is becoming far more common lately. WHY?

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It's endemic. Check out Romney shamelessly courting the 'Mom' vote:

[link to store.mittromney.com]

He and Obama should be ashamed of themselves, trying to get people to vote for them. What is the world coming to.
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They are pissed and so am I. They know what all of this "gay rights" shit is about and they don't want any part of it.
 Quoting: Éireann


Um... The right to the same benefits that straight couples have - since gay couples are paying the same taxes?

Equal taxes Equal rights.

If conservatives are soo 'small government' and 'for personal liberty' they should be the ones championing civil rights for gay people.

They aren't SPECIAL rights - they're the same rights other coupled adults have.

Who cares what the NAME is. If the religious right gets all twisted up calling it 'marriage' that's fine. But at least grant civil unions that are completely equal to the rights in a marriage.

The problem is there are two parts to 'marriage' -- but you can have 1 without the other.

the civil part gives you the rights and benefits.
the religious part gives you the ceremony.

Not everyone participates in the religious part.
And some have a religious ceremony but never get any sort of official paperwork.

Every gay person I know just wants to be able to visit their loved ones in the hospital, inherit property upon death, file joint tax returns, etc.

And unfortunately -- without granting them the over 1,400 rights that come with a marriage certificate, most of that is unachievable. You can google story upon story of a gay couple where one of them died. And despite having a will their family came in and blocked the inheritance from going to the surviving partner.

That's BS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1538130

It's already in the Constitution. We don't need an amendment to give people in love the right to pursue Life, Liberty and Happiness. It's fucking common sense. The Constitution was never meant to legislate a person's view of morality. If people have problems with those that are gay....don't associate. But my gay & lesbian friends are the ones who made me realize the dangers of special interest groups pushing the legislation of morality.
 Quoting: Éireann


You really do have to question as to why so many government and big business institutions are constantly data mining and "profiling" the public. What is the purpose of all the information they gather? It's very unusual and is becoming far more common lately. WHY?

scratching
 Quoting: Six Six Six


Ding! Six wins the prize.

You're absolutely correct. I wish I could answer the "why" but I simply do not know.
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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It's endemic. Check out Romney shamelessly courting the 'Mom' vote:

[link to store.mittromney.com]

He and Obama should be ashamed of themselves, trying to get people to vote for them. What is the world coming to.
 Quoting: Mr Mystery


That's not the point. Why the need to give all of that personal info just to get a bumper sticker?
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind.
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It's already in the Constitution. We don't need an amendment to give people in love the right to pursue Life, Liberty and Happiness. It's fucking common sense. The Constitution was never meant to legislate a person's view of morality. If people have problems with those that are gay....don't associate. But my gay & lesbian friends are the ones who made me realize the dangers of special interest groups pushing the legislation of morality.
 Quoting: Éireann


Exactly.. So why do we have states adding discrimination to their constitutions, declaring that gays can't marry and marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman.

31 states have a constitutional amendment

discriminating against gay people and marriage/civil unions in some form. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Why is the DOMA/Defense of Marriage Act a federal law?

No one is ASKING for an amendment. What the gay rights movement is all about is striking down the laws on the books that discriminate against gay people. That is why there are legal challenges going to the supreme court for both prop 8 in california, and multiple cases against DOMA. Two of which the justice dept just asked to be fast tracked to the SCOTUS.

Once those type of bans are declared unconstitutional - gay people will have the right to enter into marriage contracts.

And for the record -- I think the protections for churches should be reinforced. A church should not have to marry any couple they do not wish to. That is how it currently works. But the right fear mongers that if gay marriage is legal, gays will sue churches to perform their ceremonies.

No they can't. Churches will not have to. But just to be safe, it should be reiterated.

Besides, there are PLENTY of churches that already do marry gay people - and plenty more willing to.

And that's assuming the majority of them WANT married in a church.

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