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Roll-your-own cigarette shops forced out of business by Obama and Big Tobacco

 
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Roll-your-own cigarette shops forced out of business by Obama and Big Tobacco
On Friday, President Barack Obama is expected to sign into law a federal highway bill with a section that redefines tobacco manufacturers to include any business with a roll-your-own cigarette machine and taxes those products at the same rate as packaged smokes.

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I know, my cousin had to shut down 2 of her shops because of Phillip Morris and Max Baucus's transportation bill. What Jagoffs.
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That's terrible :(
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Yep, big tobacco is not happy with the roll yer owns.
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It's ridiculous.
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But just remember, Obama is for the middle class.

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I'm surprised he doesn't justs hunt down smokers and shoot them with his drones. . .

Last Edited by Bluebird on 07/06/2012 07:32 PM
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I'm surprised he doesn't justs hunt down smokers and shoot them with his drones. . .
 Quoting: Bluebird


He doesn't want them to quit. He smokes. He wants their $$$.
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They're not shutting them down by design. They're closing tax loopholes. . Roll your owns still cause the same problems as regular tobacco. Make no mistake still big tabacco at work.

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Time to finally quit I geuss. I've been rolling my own for years. Started when I did turbine work on the East coast 4 1/2 years ago. Fuggin carton was $65.......
Not only that but they had the friggen fire chemicals in the paper, tastes like shit (yes I know smells like shit, breath smells like shit etc etc).
They raised price of big bags of $15 hand rolling tobacco I think last year by $10, became $25 for a bag, almost double. I started using pipe tobacco, longer cut, moister. Didn't get a tax increase on that, still $15. I use a halogen light to dry it out, crumble it till it's just right for rolling.
Costs me about $25 a month.
Instead of $40-$70 peer week for a carton.

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Time to finally quit I geuss. I've been rolling my own for years. Started when I did turbine work on the East coast 4 1/2 years ago. Fuggin carton was $65.......
Not only that but they had the friggen fire chemicals in the paper, tastes like shit (yes I know smells like shit, breath smells like shit etc etc).
They raised price of big bags of $15 hand rolling tobacco I think last year by $10, became $25 for a bag, almost double. I started using pipe tobacco, longer cut, moister. Didn't get a tax increase on that, still $15. I use a halogen light to dry it out, crumble it till it's just right for rolling.
Costs me about $25 a month.
Instead of $40-$70 peer week for a carton.
 Quoting: HnryBwmn




There are a lot of roll your own tobaccos with a Pipe Tobacco label.

They actually fit in the tubes better than a shorter cut.
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They're not shutting them down by design. They're closing tax loopholes. L2R. Roll your owns still cause the same problems as regular tobacco. Make no mistake still big tabacco at work.
 Quoting: boogyman42701


I'll close a tax loophole, I'll grow my own.

And make my own fuel. Grow my own food.
Outlaw it? Sure, come on out and try to enforce it.
Bring lots of help, we want your gear.
You can educate the ignorant, but you can't fix stupid!
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Time to finally quit I geuss. I've been rolling my own for years. Started when I did turbine work on the East coast 4 1/2 years ago. Fuggin carton was $65.......
Not only that but they had the friggen fire chemicals in the paper, tastes like shit (yes I know smells like shit, breath smells like shit etc etc).
They raised price of big bags of $15 hand rolling tobacco I think last year by $10, became $25 for a bag, almost double. I started using pipe tobacco, longer cut, moister. Didn't get a tax increase on that, still $15. I use a halogen light to dry it out, crumble it till it's just right for rolling.
Costs me about $25 a month.
Instead of $40-$70 peer week for a carton.
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


Special blend Marlboros are 35$ a carton here after tax. But if I read it right, it just taxes the machines. You can still buy loose tabacco and roll your own by hand.
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RYO cigarettes were a way to avoid all the added chemicals in regular cigarettes...
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My aunt rolls her own since she can't afford the Big Tobacco brands. Guess she'll have to switch to the e-smokes or finally quit.

When I smoked, I smoked Camels. Didn't quit for health reasons or because I stopped loving my cigs - I quit because at $7/pack, I simply couldn't afford them. I miss my smokes sometimes, but I'm glad I kicked it - can't smoke anywhere but your own car/yard nowadays anyway.
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They're not shutting them down by design. They're closing tax loopholes. L2R. Roll your owns still cause the same problems as regular tobacco. Make no mistake still big tabacco at work.
 Quoting: boogyman42701


I'll close a tax loophole, I'll grow my own.

And make my own fuel. Grow my own food.
Outlaw it? Sure, come on out and try to enforce it.
Bring lots of help, we want your gear.
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


Exactly!
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I'll close a tax loophole, I'll grow my own.

And make my own fuel. Grow my own food.
Outlaw it? Sure, come on out and try to enforce it.
Bring lots of help, we want your gear.
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


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Don't get me wrong. I wish we would close the loopholes these big corps are getting. Just our corrupt gov at work.
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From the article:

State and local governments have been trying to close the loophole as well, with Cook County raising taxes on RYO cigs in March and Illinois increasing the taxes on them last month, when the state sharply raised taxes on all tobacco products to help fund Medicaid. Starting Aug. 1, cigarettes made by RYO machines in Illinois stores will be taxed the same amount as company-manufactured cigarettes, and retail owners of the machines have to get a machine-operator license.

How very interesting.
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On Friday, President Barack Obama is expected to sign into law a federal highway bill with a section that redefines tobacco manufacturers to include any business with a roll-your-own cigarette machine and taxes those products at the same rate as packaged smokes.

Source: [link to www.suntimes.com]
 Quoting: Jessica Hell


Those people at it again.
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From the article:

State and local governments have been trying to close the loophole as well, with Cook County raising taxes on RYO cigs in March and Illinois increasing the taxes on them last month, when the state sharply raised taxes on all tobacco products to help fund Medicaid. Starting Aug. 1, cigarettes made by RYO machines in Illinois stores will be taxed the same amount as company-manufactured cigarettes, and retail owners of the machines have to get a machine-operator license.

How very interesting.
 Quoting: Jessica Hell


Like you said, cigarettes made by roll your own machines. Let's just hope big companies don't raise their prices tho.
Tax payers gotta pay for smokers' habits. Hell I smoke and think this should be implemented.
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From the article:

State and local governments have been trying to close the loophole as well, with Cook County raising taxes on RYO cigs in March and Illinois increasing the taxes on them last month, when the state sharply raised taxes on all tobacco products to help fund Medicaid. Starting Aug. 1, cigarettes made by RYO machines in Illinois stores will be taxed the same amount as company-manufactured cigarettes, and retail owners of the machines have to get a machine-operator license.

How very interesting.
 Quoting: Jessica Hell


According to other sources, shops will close at midnight tonight - so more local regulation or taxes are moot...
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obama and government is the worse cancer of all.
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Thanks for the pin! hf
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I read that like they are taxing sales of RYO, ones that are done by hand? Does anyone sell them that way?
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I'm surprised he doesn't justs hunt down smokers and shoot them with his drones. . .
 Quoting: Bluebird


He doesn't want them to quit. He smokes. He wants their $$$.
 Quoting: Shazball

or maybe this is one of the many laws that shouldn't be blamed on Obama firstmost?
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Time to finally quit I geuss. I've been rolling my own for years. Started when I did turbine work on the East coast 4 1/2 years ago. Fuggin carton was $65.......
Not only that but they had the friggen fire chemicals in the paper, tastes like shit (yes I know smells like shit, breath smells like shit etc etc).
They raised price of big bags of $15 hand rolling tobacco I think last year by $10, became $25 for a bag, almost double. I started using pipe tobacco, longer cut, moister. Didn't get a tax increase on that, still $15. I use a halogen light to dry it out, crumble it till it's just right for rolling.
Costs me about $25 a month.
Instead of $40-$70 peer week for a carton.
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


I quit 3 days ago.

I'm ready to fucking kill somebody, but I did it as a birthday present to myself.
I dont mean everything I say to be literal. I just like to throw around ideas, and play devil's advocate.

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

-Galileo Galilei
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Just so you guys know, due to socialized medicine, tobacco and anything else that the DHS deems hazardous to health will all be banned soon.
I dont mean everything I say to be literal. I just like to throw around ideas, and play devil's advocate.

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

-Galileo Galilei
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Pretty soon the Polit Bureau will tell you how to
wipe your own arse.
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great. more small business' gone. Way ta go. He should go after small diaper companies next. Or maybe, small companies that do dog training.

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