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Another gay teen suicide.......

 
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Though sad... maybe we should go back to staying in the closet
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Do what you want guy, we just don't want to see or know about it. Just as sure as I am that you don't want to know anything about the things I do with women in the bedroom.
 Quoting: Say No to 1984


No, I am straight. Coming out of the closet has not done the gay community any good. They need to stop shoving it down our throats. If it was so wonderful why are they all so miserable?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19300539


And yet others can shove THEIR shit down their throats and its' ok? If people are gonna push they shouldn't be surprised when they push back. Maybe if people didn't try and force them to conform they wouldn't have to shove anything anywhere. Accept it, accept them and it will change.

And that last line is assuming a LOT! How do you know they're ALL miserable? Do you know every single gay or lesbian couple, every single gay or lesbian in general? Somehow I think not! I could ask why all straights are miserable too. See how that works? Assuming makes an ass of you and me.....

Beyond that, maybe just maybe some are miserable because everyone else is trying to make them something they aren't. Ever thought of that?
 Quoting: ajk


Listen, they have it plastered everywhere. They got civil union but no they want marriage. I am just tired of it. Is it normal... no it is not normal. It is perverse. What they do is called grooming. They bombard you with it until it seems normal.
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So all those who devoutly believe that homosexuality is wrong should give up their sincerely held beliefs in order to accommodate the choice of others?
 Quoting: Nine's


You said Yes, that "We need to reexamine what we've been taught, much of it has been bad.What good does it do to tell others that because they choose to live a life different from you that they are wrong or can't? Nothing."

Isn't that what you're doing? Telling others they're wrong?
That they should give up their sincerely held beliefs?

Doesn't fit with your words: "Freedom means allowing others to live as they see fit providing others aren't being harmed, if you're gonna deny them that choice, you deny them their freedom as well."


With freedom comes responsibility. With rights comes responsibility. Use them wisely. You can't have the freedom and rights and expect someone else to take the responsibility.
 Quoting: Nine's


When your beliefs are destructive to others, you give up your rights. The idea that homosexuality is wrong or a disease IS destructive and should not be acceptable. Your freedom ends where another's begins, if you use your beliefs to hurt someone else (and it's just about impossible NOT to here), you give up your freedom. We are not free to harm another person nor should we be.

If you wanna go to church, fine, but don't force others to or tell them they're wrong if they don't. If you wanna read the Bible fine, but don't tell others they're wrong for not or force them to read it. If you're straight fine, but don't try to make others something they're not, or tell them they're wrong for not being like you. Do you understand? Some things just should not be tolerated.
 Quoting: ajk


Well, we feel homosexuality should not be tolerated.
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So all those who devoutly believe that homosexuality is wrong should give up their sincerely held beliefs in order to accommodate the choice of others?
 Quoting: Nine's


You said Yes, that "We need to reexamine what we've been taught, much of it has been bad.What good does it do to tell others that because they choose to live a life different from you that they are wrong or can't? Nothing."

Isn't that what you're doing? Telling others they're wrong?
That they should give up their sincerely held beliefs?

Doesn't fit with your words: "Freedom means allowing others to live as they see fit providing others aren't being harmed, if you're gonna deny them that choice, you deny them their freedom as well."


With freedom comes responsibility. With rights comes responsibility. Use them wisely. You can't have the freedom and rights and expect someone else to take the responsibility.
 Quoting: Nine's


When your beliefs are destructive to others, you give up your rights. The idea that homosexuality is wrong or a disease IS destructive and should not be acceptable. Your freedom ends where another's begins, if you use your beliefs to hurt someone else (and it's just about impossible NOT to here), you give up your freedom. We are not free to harm another person nor should we be.

If you wanna go to church, fine, but don't force others to or tell them they're wrong if they don't. If you wanna read the Bible fine, but don't tell others they're wrong for not or force them to read it. If you're straight fine, but don't try to make others something they're not, or tell them they're wrong for not being like you. Do you understand? Some things just should not be tolerated.
 Quoting: ajk



This is where your argument falls apart, OP. There's an old saying - "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me." Stop being a pussy and heed this wisdom.

"Destructive to others" - was someone destroyed?

"Idea<s>...should not be acceptable." - Is this 1984?

"Use your beliefs to hurt someone else..." - How do beliefs hurt anyone?

"Not free to harm another person..." - Who was "harmed?" There's a big difference between having your feelings hurt and being "harmed."

"Don't tell them they're wrong for not being like you." - Aren't you doing the same exact thing right now, telling folks they're wrong for not being like you???


No one is arguing that gays should be physically harmed. Your entire argument is that words hurt, and that we should ban certain speech. Boo fucking hoo and grow up. -OR- be normal and no one will pick on you.
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Another gay teen suicide.......

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 Quoting: ajk
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Op, all teen suicide is bad.

All suicide in general is bad.


You want Gays to be treated the same, but you want
them to be treated differently from the rest of society.


It sounds like it's YOU who has the problem ...

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 Quoting: Borat Sagdiyev


When it comes to BLATANT bigotry against another sect of human beings, you GODDAMN right I got a problem. And no matter what you say, it isn't gonna go away till this changes!
 Quoting: ajk


When something is WRONG AJK that means it's WRONG period!

It is the Liberal and Homosexual Deviants that are causing TEENS to commit suicide, by telling them they are BORN that WAY and they cannot change! THAT IS A FLAT OUT LIE and it is causing them irrepable harm...

If an Adult wants to make a decision to engage in sexual relations with there own gender that is their buisness but leave the KIDS ALONE!

They have enough to worry about in a Corrupt Evil World they now live in...
Susie

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I think you're just offended because it's something you don't wanna hear. I'm sorry, but I refuse to stand by and let people be bullied for being who they are, and treated as lesser people for it. No one has the right to do that.

And AGAIN I'm NOT telling you you can't do anything you want, but once you use what you do to bully or judge someone else you cross a line.

And as a sidenote, I am guessing you think our rights come from God? As if God takes THAT big a stake in our affairs. IT DOESN'T. That's another thing, we use God as a means to tell others what to do, when God doesn't judge at all to begin with!
 Quoting: ajk


No, not offended at all. Just trying to point out the irony that you're acting like you have the right to tell someone else what is acceptable, what they can think, believe, and accusing others of doing the same.

When have you EVER heard me use God to tell others what to do? About that judging part. Guess time will tell. Probably very soon.

pachunce
 Quoting: Nine's


I'm appealing to common sense. I am sick and fucking tired of everyone being moral police because of a church, a pastor or a fucking book. It is asinine. And I haven't heard you use God specifically, but your religion does and this is a fact. I have no problem with people going to church, reading the Bible or whatever, but it's when they use it to attack others who think different that I take issue with. I don't tell you you're going to hell or separated from God if you don't agree with me do I? Exactly.

I will NOT consent to spiritual terrorism, if that makes me hated so be it. I will continue to fight against it anyway.

Nice little dig in the end by the way
......and you're gonna be wrong.
 Quoting: ajk


I have no religion, AJK. That wasn't a dig at the end. It was a sincerely held belief.
 Quoting: Nine's


If you believe the words in the Bible, whether you like it or not, you are a part of the Christian religion. You cannot separate the two, they are and forever will be intertwined.

And I understand that, but I took it as a thinly veiled judgment of me.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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So all those who devoutly believe that homosexuality is wrong should give up their sincerely held beliefs in order to accommodate the choice of others?
 Quoting: Nine's


You said Yes, that "We need to reexamine what we've been taught, much of it has been bad.What good does it do to tell others that because they choose to live a life different from you that they are wrong or can't? Nothing."

Isn't that what you're doing? Telling others they're wrong?
That they should give up their sincerely held beliefs?

Doesn't fit with your words: "Freedom means allowing others to live as they see fit providing others aren't being harmed, if you're gonna deny them that choice, you deny them their freedom as well."


With freedom comes responsibility. With rights comes responsibility. Use them wisely. You can't have the freedom and rights and expect someone else to take the responsibility.
 Quoting: Nine's


When your beliefs are destructive to others, you give up your rights. The idea that homosexuality is wrong or a disease IS destructive and should not be acceptable. Your freedom ends where another's begins, if you use your beliefs to hurt someone else (and it's just about impossible NOT to here), you give up your freedom. We are not free to harm another person nor should we be.

If you wanna go to church, fine, but don't force others to or tell them they're wrong if they don't. If you wanna read the Bible fine, but don't tell others they're wrong for not or force them to read it. If you're straight fine, but don't try to make others something they're not, or tell them they're wrong for not being like you. Do you understand? Some things just should not be tolerated.
 Quoting: ajk


Well, we feel homosexuality should not be tolerated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19300539


And you are a bigot for it, you can believe it all you want but you WILL get flak for it.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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So all those who devoutly believe that homosexuality is wrong should give up their sincerely held beliefs in order to accommodate the choice of others?
 Quoting: Nine's


You said Yes, that "We need to reexamine what we've been taught, much of it has been bad.What good does it do to tell others that because they choose to live a life different from you that they are wrong or can't? Nothing."

Isn't that what you're doing? Telling others they're wrong?
That they should give up their sincerely held beliefs?

Doesn't fit with your words: "Freedom means allowing others to live as they see fit providing others aren't being harmed, if you're gonna deny them that choice, you deny them their freedom as well."


With freedom comes responsibility. With rights comes responsibility. Use them wisely. You can't have the freedom and rights and expect someone else to take the responsibility.
 Quoting: Nine's


When your beliefs are destructive to others, you give up your rights. The idea that homosexuality is wrong or a disease IS destructive and should not be acceptable. Your freedom ends where another's begins, if you use your beliefs to hurt someone else (and it's just about impossible NOT to here), you give up your freedom. We are not free to harm another person nor should we be.

If you wanna go to church, fine, but don't force others to or tell them they're wrong if they don't. If you wanna read the Bible fine, but don't tell others they're wrong for not or force them to read it. If you're straight fine, but don't try to make others something they're not, or tell them they're wrong for not being like you. Do you understand? Some things just should not be tolerated.
 Quoting: ajk



This is where your argument falls apart, OP. There's an old saying - "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me." Stop being a pussy and heed this wisdom.

"Destructive to others" - was someone destroyed?

"Idea<s>...should not be acceptable." - Is this 1984?

"Use your beliefs to hurt someone else..." - How do beliefs hurt anyone?

"Not free to harm another person..." - Who was "harmed?" There's a big difference between having your feelings hurt and being "harmed."

"Don't tell them they're wrong for not being like you." - Aren't you doing the same exact thing right now, telling folks they're wrong for not being like you???


No one is arguing that gays should be physically harmed. Your entire argument is that words hurt, and that we should ban certain speech. Boo fucking hoo and grow up. -OR- be normal and no one will pick on you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12061823


Who the fuck are you to tell OTHERS what normal is? When you do that, you ARE being destructive to them, because you are making them second class citizens because they think different from you! If you can't see the harm there......you are either fucking stupid or don't want to see it.

Last Edited by ajk on 07/07/2012 08:22 PM
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Another gay teen suicide.......

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 Quoting: ajk
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Op, all teen suicide is bad.

All suicide in general is bad.


You want Gays to be treated the same, but you want
them to be treated differently from the rest of society.


It sounds like it's YOU who has the problem ...

.
 Quoting: Borat Sagdiyev


When it comes to BLATANT bigotry against another sect of human beings, you GODDAMN right I got a problem. And no matter what you say, it isn't gonna go away till this changes!
 Quoting: ajk


When something is WRONG AJK that means it's WRONG period!

It is the Liberal and Homosexual Deviants that are causing TEENS to commit suicide, by telling them they are BORN that WAY and they cannot change! THAT IS A FLAT OUT LIE and it is causing them irrepable harm...

If an Adult wants to make a decision to engage in sexual relations with there own gender that is their buisness but leave the KIDS ALONE!

They have enough to worry about in a Corrupt Evil World they now live in...
 Quoting: christian



It is the Conservative and Straight sect that are causing TEENS to commit suicide, by telling them they are BORN in sin and cannot change that! THAT IS A FLAT OUT LIE and it is causing them irrepable harm...

If an Adult wants to make a decision to engage in a religion that is their buisness but leave the KIDS ALONE!

Two can play at that game.....you brainwash kids with your shit just as much as you claim others do.

Oh and it is YOU that cause the problems by making them be ashamed of how they think and who they are, not others.

Last Edited by ajk on 07/07/2012 08:25 PM
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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I think you're just offended because it's something you don't wanna hear.
I'm sorry, but I refuse to stand by and let people
be bullied for being who they are, and treated as lesser people for it. No one has the right to do that.

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 Quoting: ajk
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Yet more irony.

AJK, you've had enough iron today.

:EpicFail!!:

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 Quoting: Borat Sagdiyev


this guy 'borat' is the most obvious self-loathing closet queen ever; obsessed with any gay related thread, he will troll it to the bitter end spewing obnoxious garbage in every direction. now what kind of sexually secure heterosexual man would go to these extraordinary lengths to obsessively troll on one topic, homosexuality?

borat has major sexual identity issues if anyone ever did. his shit AIN'T normal. he's what is known as a toxic person.

it's a shame; if he ever came out of the closet, he would probably lighten up significantly. self-loathing will tend to make one very nasty indeed. it's ok, dude, it's ok.
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More likely the fault of those who persecute.
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Yes but WHERE do they get the ideas it's wrong from??? Religion!
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1rof1

Right. If it wasn't for "religion", every man would want another man's dick up his ass.

Find another boogeyman, retard.
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Ok, my side hurts. I must leave this thread. lol.

giggle

Fricken fags. lol. I pity you...I really do.

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Ok, my side hurts. I must leave this thread. lol.

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Fricken fags. lol. I pity you...I really do.
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I pity the ignorant bigots more.......
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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More likely the fault of those who persecute.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19294007


Yes but WHERE do they get the ideas it's wrong from??? Religion!
 Quoting: ajk


1rof1

Right. If it wasn't for "religion", every man would want another man's dick up his ass.

Find another boogeyman, retard.
 Quoting: Daryl Dixon


Did I say EVERY man wanted a dick up his ass? No! All I'm saying is just cause it isn't for some, doesn't make it wrong. Learn the difference.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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sorry i know men who i thought were gay and it turns out they were married , these men just ignore there fagness and got married they are so camp its unreal ... and they leed happy normal lifes ...

this story is good all the way ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19283641


Well, they may be married but I'd wonder if they lead happy normal lives. They either have side affairs with men or continually feel that there's something missing if they're really gay.
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I pity the ignorant bigots more.......
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You are bigotted against those that YOU cal bigots and cannot see your own bigotry. Pretty typical of leftists.
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Op, all teen suicide is bad.

All suicide in general is bad.


You want Gays to be treated the same, but you want
them to be treated differently from the rest of society.


It sounds like it's YOU who has the problem ...

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 Quoting: Borat Sagdiyev


When it comes to BLATANT bigotry against another sect of human beings, you GODDAMN right I got a problem. And no matter what you say, it isn't gonna go away till this changes!
 Quoting: ajk


When something is WRONG AJK that means it's WRONG period!

It is the Liberal and Homosexual Deviants that are causing TEENS to commit suicide, by telling them they are BORN that WAY and they cannot change! THAT IS A FLAT OUT LIE and it is causing them irrepable harm...

If an Adult wants to make a decision to engage in sexual relations with there own gender that is their buisness but leave the KIDS ALONE!

They have enough to worry about in a Corrupt Evil World they now live in...
 Quoting: christian



It is the Conservative and Straight sect that are causing TEENS to commit suicide, by telling them they are BORN in sin and cannot change that! THAT IS A FLAT OUT LIE and it is causing them irrepable harm...

If an Adult wants to make a decision to engage in a religion that is their buisness but leave the KIDS ALONE!

Two can play at that game.....you brainwash kids with your shit just as much as you claim others do.

Oh and it is YOU that cause the problems by making them be ashamed of how they think and who they are, not others.
 Quoting: ajk


I went all through School:

K- 6th- NO KID SUICIDES

7-9th- NO KID SUICIDES

10-12th- NO KID SUICIDES..

Now I did knew some kids that died from Drug Overdoses but no one committed SUICIDE because they WERE CONFUSED about being a Boy or Girl and was having same sex attractions...

However it was 70's and we were being raised by our Conservative Parents...

WHAT CHANGED?????
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Many teens commit suicide,its not just gay teens.
I am not trying to downplay this story but it isnt like this is rare.

from wiki
Rates of attempted and completed youth suicide in Western societies are high. For example, in Australia suicide is second only to motor vehicle accidents as the leading cause of death for people aged 15–24,and according to the National Institute for Mental Health, suicide is the third leading cause of death among teens in the United States.It is a much bigger problem in other countries: in India, one-third of suicides are young people 15–29. In 2002, 154,000 suicides were recorded in India
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True, they dont report all the teens that commit suicide just report the gay ones, my Daughter went to high School with a boy whose Mom was put in prison for embezzling from her boss, I guess the kids teased him and he missed his Mother, that was in the 90's, surprised everyone
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More likely the fault of those who persecute.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19294007


Yes but WHERE do they get the ideas it's wrong from??? Religion!
 Quoting: ajk


1rof1

Right. If it wasn't for "religion", every man would want another man's dick up his ass.

Find another boogeyman, retard.
 Quoting: Daryl Dixon


Did I say EVERY man wanted a dick up his ass? No! All I'm saying is just cause it isn't for some, doesn't make it wrong. Learn the difference.
 Quoting: ajk


Is it wrong to fuck animals?

Did I say EVERY man wants to fuck animals? No! All I'm saying is just BEcause it isn't for some, doesn't make it wrong, does it?
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Yes but WHERE do they get the ideas it's wrong from??? Religion!
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Yes, in Egypt you can be imprisoned for being gay. In Iran you can be executed for being gay.
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Is it wrong to be bigotted against bestiality?
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sorry i know men who i thought were gay and it turns out they were married , these men just ignore there fagness and got married they are so camp its unreal ... and they leed happy normal lifes ...

this story is good all the way ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19283641


Well, they may be married but I'd wonder if they lead happy normal lives. They either have side affairs with men or continually feel that there's something missing if they're really gay.
 Quoting: Little Bee


This. How many people get married to TRY and be "normal" because of what society thinks? It shouldn't happen, they shouldn't have to hide who they are like that.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

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Yes but WHERE do they get the ideas it's wrong from??? Religion!
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Yes, in Egypt you can be imprisoned for being gay. In Iran you can be executed for being gay.
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In Afghanistan (deployed twice) to be branded gay is to be called "Kuni." The village/town/city elders must convene and decide if your acts are in fact against Sharia law and considered "Kuni." If they are one of 3 things must happen. You must renounce your muslim faith on a Sunday (thereby allowing no one to befriend you), you must walk away from the village/city/town and never come back or you uphold what you did and be executed however the elders decide.
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When it comes to BLATANT bigotry against another sect of human beings, you GODDAMN right I got a problem. And no matter what you say, it isn't gonna go away till this changes!
 Quoting: ajk


When something is WRONG AJK that means it's WRONG period!

It is the Liberal and Homosexual Deviants that are causing TEENS to commit suicide, by telling them they are BORN that WAY and they cannot change! THAT IS A FLAT OUT LIE and it is causing them irrepable harm...

If an Adult wants to make a decision to engage in sexual relations with there own gender that is their buisness but leave the KIDS ALONE!

They have enough to worry about in a Corrupt Evil World they now live in...
 Quoting: christian



It is the Conservative and Straight sect that are causing TEENS to commit suicide, by telling them they are BORN in sin and cannot change that! THAT IS A FLAT OUT LIE and it is causing them irrepable harm...

If an Adult wants to make a decision to engage in a religion that is their buisness but leave the KIDS ALONE!

Two can play at that game.....you brainwash kids with your shit just as much as you claim others do.

Oh and it is YOU that cause the problems by making them be ashamed of how they think and who they are, not others.
 Quoting: ajk


I went all through School:

K- 6th- NO KID SUICIDES

7-9th- NO KID SUICIDES

10-12th- NO KID SUICIDES..

Now I did knew some kids that died from Drug Overdoses but no one committed SUICIDE because they WERE CONFUSED about being a Boy or Girl and was having same sex attractions...

However it was 70's and we were being raised by our Conservative Parents...

WHAT CHANGED?????
 Quoting: christian


Even if they didn't commit suicide, how do you know what went through their head. It may have been WORSE for gay people back then because society was even MORE against it!
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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I don't think you want to go there.

When you say "when your beliefs are destructive to others, you give up your rights," there are many things that can be said about the destructiveness of a homosexual lifestyle. Does that mean they give up their rights?

I don't go to church, but if I did, your opinion of it would make no difference. I do read the Bible but force no one to believe it or read it.

I am straight, and am having no sexual relationship, but if I were, it would be private, not publicly displayed and I wouldn't expect others to treat me as special, change their beliefs or make special accomodations for me because it's the lifestyle I choose. I also wouldn't blame them for my sadness, depression or suicide.

Everything you've said here can be turned around to you and your sincerely held beliefs. Read it again. Pretend your words are mine. Do you see a contradiction?
 Quoting: Nine's


Nope, I stand by what I'm saying, I apologize for nary a word of it. And it's not about being treated "special" it's about being treated as equal. Why is this so fucking hard? Straights don't get judged for being straight so why is it so wrong to want the same for gays?? Do you really think that it's fair? It IS a destructive and divisive belief to think of them different from the rest, when they just want love like anyone else does. Why is that wrong?? Give me one good reason, and no the Bible says it isn't good enough (it contradicts itself anyway many times over).

The idea that gays are different from straights is just as bad as blacks being different from whites. It's just a different form of racism, it shouldn't have been tolerated then and it shouldn't be tolerated now. Gays should not be treated as lesser than another because they gay, simple as that. To try and say they're wrong because of YOUR belief makes them that way, and that is unacceptable.

And hey, straights can live just as destructively as homosexuals by the way......does that mean the straight lifestyle is entirely bad? Come on, think, I'm begging you. It's the PEOPLE that make something bad or good, NOT the lifestyle entirely.

Finally.....no you can't entirely blame people for ones own depression or suicide, but it sure as hell doesn't help when everyone and their mother is expecting you to deny who you are.....and making you a lesser person because you are attracted to someone of the same sex. I mean you can't seriously tell me that it wouldn't be harder for you to live if you were treated like being straight was a disease that needed curing can you?

This shit needs to stop, the bullying and judgment needs to end and end now. There is no excuse for it, it should not be happening. Kids have a hard enough time making their way in life, trying to make them into what you want them into what YOU want them to be isn't gonna do them any favors. We need to quit judging and start understanding. Then maybe you'll see less depressed kids, and less suicides. It HAS to begin with us.
 Quoting: ajk

Not asking for an apology. Any belief a person has or may not have, is not destructive until it's acted on.

I don't treat gays as lessers, have never, ever bullied one, and wouldn't.

Why would I think I was a lesser person because someone expects me to deny who I am? I'm secure in who I am and if someone suggests something that needs changing, I'd consider what they had to say. Maybe they'd have a point. If I didn't feel they did have a valid point, then no, it's their opinion and their right to have it.

You treat Christians and the Bible like it's a disease that needs curing. It doesn't make my life harder at all. We all answer for our choices.

There is no excuse for bullying, but there's also no excuse to blame Christians, God, or the Bible for every wrong that happens to someone.
 Quoting: Nine's


Firstly, by believing in itself that their lifestyle is wrong or immoral when it's not harming anyone and is something that makes them happy, that right there even without saying it is putting straights above them and treating them as a lesser people. It's wrong.

Secondly, maybe for you it's easier to let things slide down your back, but it's not that way for everyone. And for those that have a hard time with it, THEY need protection. Christians, organized religion and the Bible (not blaming God at all here since God doesn't take sides like you may think), may not be the cause of every wrong that happens to someone, but they sure as hell don't make life easier for a lot of people who think different from it. It IS a judgmental system, and to be a TRUE christian according to it you have to adhere to that judgmentalness. You might not, but doesn't change what it is.
 Quoting: ajk


Harmful, lets share some truth:

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that at the end of 2008, there were 682,668 people living with a diagnosis of HIV infection in the 40 states and five U.S. dependent areas. However, the total number of people living with an HIV infection in the U.S. is thought to be more than one million.1 2 The discrepancy between these figures is due to several factors, including:

confidential name-based reporting of HIV diagnoses has not yet been implemented in all states;
anonymous tests, including home tests, are excluded from case reports;
and one in every five people living with HIV has not even had their infection diagnosed, let alone reported.3

During 2009, there were an estimated 42,959 new diagnoses of HIV infection in the 40 states and five dependent areas. Adult or adolescent males accounted for three-quarters of new HIV diagnoses. The main transmission route among males was male-to-male sexual contact (74%), followed by heterosexual contact (14%) and injecting drug use (8%). Among female adult and adolescents, 84.9% were infected through heterosexual contact and 14.8% through injecting drug use.

How do you think those 34,000 newly infected males that had anal sex feel about their death sentence? Crack kills and it is a statistical fact that is documented.
Their behavior will kill untold millions.
Those numbers are grossly under reported due to confidentiality and private home testing.

when these people cannot work who the hell pays for their medicines? Tax payers do! If your behavior, is draining my pockets and that of society, I have every right to speak about it and against it!
In the simplest of terms, you have no right to tell others how to think or what to say. Billions have been spent on education yet the unprotected, irresponsible sex continues like a wildfire.

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When something is WRONG AJK that means it's WRONG period!

It is the Liberal and Homosexual Deviants that are causing TEENS to commit suicide, by telling them they are BORN that WAY and they cannot change! THAT IS A FLAT OUT LIE and it is causing them irrepable harm...

If an Adult wants to make a decision to engage in sexual relations with there own gender that is their buisness but leave the KIDS ALONE!

They have enough to worry about in a Corrupt Evil World they now live in...
 Quoting: christian



It is the Conservative and Straight sect that are causing TEENS to commit suicide, by telling them they are BORN in sin and cannot change that! THAT IS A FLAT OUT LIE and it is causing them irrepable harm...

If an Adult wants to make a decision to engage in a religion that is their buisness but leave the KIDS ALONE!

Two can play at that game.....you brainwash kids with your shit just as much as you claim others do.

Oh and it is YOU that cause the problems by making them be ashamed of how they think and who they are, not others.
 Quoting: ajk


I went all through School:

K- 6th- NO KID SUICIDES

7-9th- NO KID SUICIDES

10-12th- NO KID SUICIDES..

Now I did knew some kids that died from Drug Overdoses but no one committed SUICIDE because they WERE CONFUSED about being a Boy or Girl and was having same sex attractions...

However it was 70's and we were being raised by our Conservative Parents...

WHAT CHANGED?????
 Quoting: christian


Even if they didn't commit suicide, how do you know what went through their head. It may have been WORSE for gay people back then because society was even MORE against it!
 Quoting: ajk




I am not a mind reader and neither are you, I am just telling you nobody committed suicide for being GAY my entire school years we had other issues and Homosexuality was not one of them....

It is now your issue I assume...
Susie

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In Afghanistan (deployed twice) to be branded gay is to be called "Kuni." ...
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Very interesting post.

And yet ajk and other members of the gay community only want to hate Christians!
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In Afghanistan (deployed twice) to be branded gay is to be called "Kuni." ...
 Quoting: Wild Nature


Very interesting post.

And yet ajk and other members of the gay community only want to hate Christians!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13877714


I'm a Zen Buddhist so please don't get the wrong impression. hf

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It is the Homosexual Agenda that is making KIDS kill themselves by brainwashing them about being GAY and knowing you are at age 3!

Gimmie a Break...Kids love there own gender until they mature and start puberty, that is why Little girls will say I hate Boys they have Cooties!


Or Little Boys say I hate girls! Kids will even tell there Moms I want to Marry you when I grow up, they have no CLUE about Sexuality and Heterosexuality let alone homosexuality!

But the Libtards and Homosexual Lobbyists are trying to convince the Mainstream that you are BORN GAY when their is not one shred of evidence supporting that!

So now they want to teach Kids before they have went through puberty that you are GAY because 5 yr old Tommy wants to wear a Pink Tutu and Kiss Joey on the Lips!

These People have put a Millstone around their necks for polluting the Minds of Children....


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Susie

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In Afghanistan (deployed twice) to be branded gay is to be called "Kuni." ...
 Quoting: Wild Nature


Very interesting post.

And yet ajk and other members of the gay community only want to hate Christians!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13877714


It's not just a Christian thing will grant this, but they are one of the culprits to be sure of all this.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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In Afghanistan (deployed twice) to be branded gay is to be called "Kuni." ...
 Quoting: Wild Nature


Very interesting post.

And yet ajk and other members of the gay community only want to hate Christians!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13877714


It's not just a Christian thing will grant this, but they are one of the culprits to be sure of all this.
 Quoting: ajk


Ajk,
No way am I saying that any GAY person should be harassed or called derogatory names, and they have their place as human beings in this world just like everyone else..

However:

Christians will never SURRENDER the issue of Homosexuality being a lifestyle compatible with the WORD of GOD or the meaning of Marriage...

Christians will fight the Homosexual Agenda to the bitter end, not with weapons but with the WORD of GOD...And you know...WHEN GOD IS FOR US, THEN WHO CAN STAND AGAISNT US???

NO ONE...NOT A ONE....
Susie

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