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Another gay teen suicide.......

 
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In Afghanistan (deployed twice) to be branded gay is to be called "Kuni." ...
 Quoting: Wild Nature


Very interesting post.

And yet ajk and other members of the gay community only want to hate Christians!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13877714


It's not just a Christian thing will grant this, but they are one of the culprits to be sure of all this.
 Quoting: ajk


Gay men having unprotected sex have given more gay men the death sentence than any institution, or government in the history of man just within the last year in the USA. Just think of the numbers in Haiti where the passage of voodoo right begins with male on male sex and other countries.

You need to quit worrying about religion, you and your ilk are killing more gays each year around the world than anyone can fathom.
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In Afghanistan (deployed twice) to be branded gay is to be called "Kuni." ...
 Quoting: Wild Nature


Very interesting post.

And yet ajk and other members of the gay community only want to hate Christians!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13877714


It's not just a Christian thing will grant this, but they are one of the culprits to be sure of all this.
 Quoting: ajk


Ajk,
No way am I saying that any GAY person should be harassed or called derogatory names, and they have their place as human beings in this world just like everyone else..

However:

Christians will never SURRENDER the issue of Homosexuality being a lifestyle compatible with the WORD of GOD or the meaning of Marriage...

Christians will fight the Homosexual Agenda to the bitter end, not with weapons but with the WORD of GOD...And you know...WHEN GOD IS FOR US, THEN WHO CAN STAND AGAISNT US???

NO ONE...NOT A ONE....
 Quoting: christian


You pretty much just proved yourself to be a hypocrite, you say not to harass, but then you later use God to harass and deny them rights. Doesn't work. If they have their place in the world TREAT THEM THAT WAY. Don't make them out to be second class because of what you THINK God says.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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If you believe the words in the Bible, whether you like it or
not, you are a part of the Christian religion. You cannot
separate the two, they are and forever will be intertwined.

And I understand that, but I took it as a thinly veiled
judgment of me.

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I personally know several Gay Christians.


Again ... more irony.


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You pretty much just proved yourself to be a hypocrite, you say
not to harass, but then you later use God to harass and deny
them rights. Doesn't work. If they have their place in the
world TREAT THEM THAT WAY. Don't make them out to be second
class because of what you THINK God says.

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 Quoting: ajk
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It started off with Adam and Eve, not Adam and Adam.

They are second-class because they refuse to act normal.

Why is that so hard to understand?

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Ok, my side hurts. I must leave this thread. lol.

giggle

Fricken fags. lol. I pity you...I really do.
 Quoting: Wild Nature
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I pity the ignorant bigots more.......

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 Quoting: ajk
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No, carpet munchers and pecker poppers are worthy of pity.

All society asks them to change and act normal.

Instead, they respond with this garbage:

gay-pride-2008-2 occupride2012

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Very interesting post.

And yet ajk and other members of the gay community only want to hate Christians!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13877714


It's not just a Christian thing will grant this, but they are one of the culprits to be sure of all this.
 Quoting: ajk


Ajk,
No way am I saying that any GAY person should be harassed or called derogatory names, and they have their place as human beings in this world just like everyone else..

However:

Christians will never SURRENDER the issue of Homosexuality being a lifestyle compatible with the WORD of GOD or the meaning of Marriage...

Christians will fight the Homosexual Agenda to the bitter end, not with weapons but with the WORD of GOD...And you know...WHEN GOD IS FOR US, THEN WHO CAN STAND AGAISNT US???

NO ONE...NOT A ONE....
 Quoting: christian


You pretty much just proved yourself to be a hypocrite, you say not to harass, but then you later use God to harass and deny them rights. Doesn't work. If they have their place in the world TREAT THEM THAT WAY. Don't make them out to be second class because of what you THINK God says.
 Quoting: ajk


GAYS can Marry just like everyone else does they have the SAME RIGHTS.... They cannot re-define what Marriage means that would give them SPECIAL RIGHTS.

We are all sinners... Has nothing to do with First or Second Class,,,Heterosexuals as well as Homosexuals need to repent of a sinful lifestyle and ask GOD for grace and mercy...

All are welcome...
Susie

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In Afghanistan (deployed twice) to be branded gay is to be called "Kuni." ...
 Quoting: Wild Nature


Very interesting post.

And yet ajk and other members of the gay community only want to hate Christians!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13877714


It's not just a Christian thing will grant this, but they are one of the culprits to be sure of all this.
 Quoting: ajk


Ajk,
No way am I saying that any GAY person should be harassed or called derogatory names, and they have their place as human beings in this world just like everyone else..

However:

Christians will never SURRENDER the issue of Homosexuality being a lifestyle compatible with the WORD of GOD or the meaning of Marriage...

Christians will fight the Homosexual Agenda to the bitter end, not with weapons but with the WORD of GOD...And you know...WHEN GOD IS FOR US, THEN WHO CAN STAND AGAISNT US???

NO ONE...NOT A ONE....
 Quoting: christian



so, obviously this issue was way up there in jesus's priorities. what did he ever say against homosexuality? what - nothing? he did turn to a disciple to point out that the man/woman marriage thing was not for everyone "...for some are born this way." did you catch that?

does anyone recall how david loved jonathan "as a man loves a woman"? or that they even had a ceremony to consecrate their relationship?
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Very interesting post.

And yet ajk and other members of the gay community only want to hate Christians!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13877714


It's not just a Christian thing will grant this, but they are one of the culprits to be sure of all this.
 Quoting: ajk


Ajk,
No way am I saying that any GAY person should be harassed or called derogatory names, and they have their place as human beings in this world just like everyone else..

However:

Christians will never SURRENDER the issue of Homosexuality being a lifestyle compatible with the WORD of GOD or the meaning of Marriage...

Christians will fight the Homosexual Agenda to the bitter end, not with weapons but with the WORD of GOD...And you know...WHEN GOD IS FOR US, THEN WHO CAN STAND AGAISNT US???

NO ONE...NOT A ONE....
 Quoting: christian



so, obviously this issue was way up there in jesus's priorities. what did he ever say against homosexuality? what - nothing? he did turn to a disciple to point out that the man/woman marriage thing was not for everyone "...for some are born this way." did you catch that?

does anyone recall how david loved jonathan "as a man loves a woman"? or that they even had a ceremony to consecrate their relationship?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15822494


Jesus had quite a bit to say about Marriage..

Good way to spin a Biblical Scripture of 2 Great Friends and make them into some Torrid Lewd Affair of male homosexuality sex acts.
Susie

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It's not just a Christian thing will grant this, but they are one of the culprits to be sure of all this.
 Quoting: ajk


Ajk,
No way am I saying that any GAY person should be harassed or called derogatory names, and they have their place as human beings in this world just like everyone else..

However:

Christians will never SURRENDER the issue of Homosexuality being a lifestyle compatible with the WORD of GOD or the meaning of Marriage...

Christians will fight the Homosexual Agenda to the bitter end, not with weapons but with the WORD of GOD...And you know...WHEN GOD IS FOR US, THEN WHO CAN STAND AGAISNT US???

NO ONE...NOT A ONE....
 Quoting: christian



so, obviously this issue was way up there in jesus's priorities. what did he ever say against homosexuality? what - nothing? he did turn to a disciple to point out that the man/woman marriage thing was not for everyone "...for some are born this way." did you catch that?

does anyone recall how david loved jonathan "as a man loves a woman"? or that they even had a ceremony to consecrate their relationship?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15822494


Jesus had quite a bit to say about Marriage..

Good way to spin a Biblical Scripture of 2 Great Friends and make them into some Torrid Lewd Affair of male homosexuality sex acts.
 Quoting: christian


i'm not spinning anything, just quoting bible - parts that you selectively ignore. "as a man loves a woman." why don't you do some interpretive back flips and spin that one to your taste.
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Ajk,
No way am I saying that any GAY person should be harassed or called derogatory names, and they have their place as human beings in this world just like everyone else..

However:

Christians will never SURRENDER the issue of Homosexuality being a lifestyle compatible with the WORD of GOD or the meaning of Marriage...

Christians will fight the Homosexual Agenda to the bitter end, not with weapons but with the WORD of GOD...And you know...WHEN GOD IS FOR US, THEN WHO CAN STAND AGAISNT US???

NO ONE...NOT A ONE....
 Quoting: christian



so, obviously this issue was way up there in jesus's priorities. what did he ever say against homosexuality? what - nothing? he did turn to a disciple to point out that the man/woman marriage thing was not for everyone "...for some are born this way." did you catch that?

does anyone recall how david loved jonathan "as a man loves a woman"? or that they even had a ceremony to consecrate their relationship?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15822494


Jesus had quite a bit to say about Marriage..

Good way to spin a Biblical Scripture of 2 Great Friends and make them into some Torrid Lewd Affair of male homosexuality sex acts.
 Quoting: christian


i'm not spinning anything, just quoting bible - parts that you selectively ignore. "as a man loves a woman." why don't you do some interpretive back flips and spin that one to your taste.
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I will post the scripture for you...
Susie

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1 Samuel 20:1-42

David and Jonathan

20 Then David fled from Naioth at Ramah and went to Jonathan and asked, “What have I done? What is my crime? How have I wronged your father, that he is trying to kill me?”

2 “Never!” Jonathan replied. “You are not going to die! Look, my father doesn’t do anything, great or small, without letting me know. Why would he hide this from me? It isn’t so!”

3 But David took an oath and said, “Your father knows very well that I have found favor in your eyes, and he has said to himself, ‘Jonathan must not know this or he will be grieved.’ Yet as surely as the Lord lives and as you live, there is only a step between me and death.”

4 Jonathan said to David, “Whatever you want me to do, I’ll do for you.”

5 So David said, “Look, tomorrow is the New Moon feast, and I am supposed to dine with the king; but let me go and hide in the field until the evening of the day after tomorrow. 6 If your father misses me at all, tell him, ‘David earnestly asked my permission to hurry to Bethlehem, his hometown, because an annual sacrifice is being made there for his whole clan.’ 7 If he says, ‘Very well,’ then your servant is safe. But if he loses his temper, you can be sure that he is determined to harm me. 8 As for you, show kindness to your servant, for you have brought him into a covenant with you before the Lord. If I am guilty, then kill me yourself! Why hand me over to your father?”

9 “Never!” Jonathan said. “If I had the least inkling that my father was determined to harm you, wouldn’t I tell you?”

10 David asked, “Who will tell me if your father answers you harshly?”

11 “Come,” Jonathan said, “let’s go out into the field.” So they went there together.

12 Then Jonathan said to David, “I swear by the Lord, the God of Israel, that I will surely sound out my father by this time the day after tomorrow! If he is favorably disposed toward you, will I not send you word and let you know? 13 But if my father intends to harm you, may the Lord deal with Jonathan, be it ever so severely, if I do not let you know and send you away in peace. May the Lord be with you as he has been with my father. 14 But show me unfailing kindness like the Lord’s kindness as long as I live, so that I may not be killed, 15 and do not ever cut off your kindness from my family —not even when the Lord has cut off every one of David’s enemies from the face of the earth.”


READ ALL OF THE SCRIPTURE< THIS IS ABOUT FRIENDSHIP AND THE LOVE FOR ISRAEL AND FOR EACH OF THEM....


Nothing SEXUAL AT ALL....
Susie

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i'll tell you geniuses something else: human sexuality is anything but black and white - it's more like a million shades of gray. most men have homosexual tendencies, that's why whole cultures like classical greece universally celebrated male appreciation for the beautiful youth. it's all inherent in our genes - almost universally practiced in some cultures. yeah, human sexuality is a complex subject; that's part of being human, complexity.
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1 Samuel 20:1-42

David and Jonathan

20 Then David fled from Naioth at Ramah and went to Jonathan and asked, “What have I done? What is my crime? How have I wronged your father, that he is trying to kill me?”

2 “Never!” Jonathan replied. “You are not going to die! Look, my father doesn’t do anything, great or small, without letting me know. Why would he hide this from me? It isn’t so!”

3 But David took an oath and said, “Your father knows very well that I have found favor in your eyes, and he has said to himself, ‘Jonathan must not know this or he will be grieved.’ Yet as surely as the Lord lives and as you live, there is only a step between me and death.”

4 Jonathan said to David, “Whatever you want me to do, I’ll do for you.”

5 So David said, “Look, tomorrow is the New Moon feast, and I am supposed to dine with the king; but let me go and hide in the field until the evening of the day after tomorrow. 6 If your father misses me at all, tell him, ‘David earnestly asked my permission to hurry to Bethlehem, his hometown, because an annual sacrifice is being made there for his whole clan.’ 7 If he says, ‘Very well,’ then your servant is safe. But if he loses his temper, you can be sure that he is determined to harm me. 8 As for you, show kindness to your servant, for you have brought him into a covenant with you before the Lord. If I am guilty, then kill me yourself! Why hand me over to your father?”

9 “Never!” Jonathan said. “If I had the least inkling that my father was determined to harm you, wouldn’t I tell you?”

10 David asked, “Who will tell me if your father answers you harshly?”

11 “Come,” Jonathan said, “let’s go out into the field.” So they went there together.

12 Then Jonathan said to David, “I swear by the Lord, the God of Israel, that I will surely sound out my father by this time the day after tomorrow! If he is favorably disposed toward you, will I not send you word and let you know? 13 But if my father intends to harm you, may the Lord deal with Jonathan, be it ever so severely, if I do not let you know and send you away in peace. May the Lord be with you as he has been with my father. 14 But show me unfailing kindness like the Lord’s kindness as long as I live, so that I may not be killed, 15 and do not ever cut off your kindness from my family —not even when the Lord has cut off every one of David’s enemies from the face of the earth.”


READ ALL OF THE SCRIPTURE< THIS IS ABOUT FRIENDSHIP AND THE LOVE FOR ISRAEL AND FOR EACH OF THEM....


Nothing SEXUAL AT ALL....
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this is ridiculous. you didn't even show the pertinent verses. try again, please: how david loved jonathan and the ceremony. come on now, get real. show us.
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i'll tell you geniuses something else: human sexuality is anything but black and white - it's more like a million shades of gray. most men have homosexual tendencies, that's why whole cultures like classical greece universally celebrated male appreciation for the beautiful youth. it's all inherent in our genes - almost universally practiced in some cultures. yeah, human sexuality is a complex subject; that's part of being human, complexity.
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It is birthed in Demonic Activity the Carnal Pleasures...It was the Nephilim which means *Watchers* who were so enamored with the Daughters of GOD that they polluted the
DNA pool when they pro-created with human flesh...The Days of NOAH killed off all those offspring which left the Hybrids which are Demons without a body, they came out of Eroticism and Pornos Pornography, they inhabit human flesh when a person practices sexual immorality.
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THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURE

1 Samuel 20:1-42

David and Jonathan

20 Then David fled from Naioth at Ramah and went to Jonathan and asked, “What have I done? What is my crime? How have I wronged your father, that he is trying to kill me?”

2 “Never!” Jonathan replied. “You are not going to die! Look, my father doesn’t do anything, great or small, without letting me know. Why would he hide this from me? It isn’t so!”

3 But David took an oath and said, “Your father knows very well that I have found favor in your eyes, and he has said to himself, ‘Jonathan must not know this or he will be grieved.’ Yet as surely as the Lord lives and as you live, there is only a step between me and death.”

4 Jonathan said to David, “Whatever you want me to do, I’ll do for you.”

5 So David said, “Look, tomorrow is the New Moon feast, and I am supposed to dine with the king; but let me go and hide in the field until the evening of the day after tomorrow. 6 If your father misses me at all, tell him, ‘David earnestly asked my permission to hurry to Bethlehem, his hometown, because an annual sacrifice is being made there for his whole clan.’ 7 If he says, ‘Very well,’ then your servant is safe. But if he loses his temper, you can be sure that he is determined to harm me. 8 As for you, show kindness to your servant, for you have brought him into a covenant with you before the Lord. If I am guilty, then kill me yourself! Why hand me over to your father?”

9 “Never!” Jonathan said. “If I had the least inkling that my father was determined to harm you, wouldn’t I tell you?”

10 David asked, “Who will tell me if your father answers you harshly?”

11 “Come,” Jonathan said, “let’s go out into the field.” So they went there together.

12 Then Jonathan said to David, “I swear by the Lord, the God of Israel, that I will surely sound out my father by this time the day after tomorrow! If he is favorably disposed toward you, will I not send you word and let you know? 13 But if my father intends to harm you, may the Lord deal with Jonathan, be it ever so severely, if I do not let you know and send you away in peace. May the Lord be with you as he has been with my father. 14 But show me unfailing kindness like the Lord’s kindness as long as I live, so that I may not be killed, 15 and do not ever cut off your kindness from my family —not even when the Lord has cut off every one of David’s enemies from the face of the earth.”


READ ALL OF THE SCRIPTURE< THIS IS ABOUT FRIENDSHIP AND THE LOVE FOR ISRAEL AND FOR EACH OF THEM....


Nothing SEXUAL AT ALL....
 Quoting: christian


this is ridiculous. you didn't even show the pertinent verses. try again, please: how david loved jonathan and the ceremony. come on now, get real. show us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15822494


THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURE


David and Jonathan

20 Then David fled from Naioth at Ramah and went to Jonathan and asked, “What have I done? What is my crime? How have I wronged your father, that he is trying to kill me?”

2 “Never!” Jonathan replied. “You are not going to die! Look, my father doesn’t do anything, great or small, without letting me know. Why would he hide this from me? It isn’t so!”

3 But David took an oath and said, “Your father knows very well that I have found favor in your eyes, and he has said to himself, ‘Jonathan must not know this or he will be grieved.’ Yet as surely as the Lord lives and as you live, there is only a step between me and death.”

4 Jonathan said to David, “Whatever you want me to do, I’ll do for you.”

5 So David said, “Look, tomorrow is the New Moon feast, and I am supposed to dine with the king; but let me go and hide in the field until the evening of the day after tomorrow. 6 If your father misses me at all, tell him, ‘David earnestly asked my permission to hurry to Bethlehem, his hometown, because an annual sacrifice is being made there for his whole clan.’ 7 If he says, ‘Very well,’ then your servant is safe. But if he loses his temper, you can be sure that he is determined to harm me. 8 As for you, show kindness to your servant, for you have brought him into a covenant with you before the Lord. If I am guilty, then kill me yourself! Why hand me over to your father?”

9 “Never!” Jonathan said. “If I had the least inkling that my father was determined to harm you, wouldn’t I tell you?”

10 David asked, “Who will tell me if your father answers you harshly?”

11 “Come,” Jonathan said, “let’s go out into the field.” So they went there together.

12 Then Jonathan said to David, “I swear by the Lord, the God of Israel, that I will surely sound out my father by this time the day after tomorrow! If he is favorably disposed toward you, will I not send you word and let you know? 13 But if my father intends to harm you, may the Lord deal with Jonathan, be it ever so severely, if I do not let you know and send you away in peace. May the Lord be with you as he has been with my father. 14 But show me unfailing kindness like the Lord’s kindness as long as I live, so that I may not be killed, 15 and do not ever cut off your kindness from my family —not even when the Lord has cut off every one of David’s enemies from the face of the earth.”

16 So Jonathan made a covenant with the house of David, saying, “May the Lord call David’s enemies to account. ” 17 And Jonathan had David reaffirm his oath out of love for him, because he loved him as he loved himself.

18 Then Jonathan said to David, “Tomorrow is the New Moon feast. You will be missed, because your seat will be empty. 19 The day after tomorrow, toward evening, go to the place where you hid when this trouble began, and wait by the stone Ezel. 20 I will shoot three arrows to the side of it, as though I were shooting at a target. 21 Then I will send a boy and say, ‘Go, find the arrows.’ If I say to him, ‘Look, the arrows are on this side of you; bring them here,’ then come, because, as surely as the Lord lives, you are safe; there is no danger. 22 But if I say to the boy, ‘Look, the arrows are beyond you,’ then you must go, because the Lord has sent you away. 23 And about the matter you and I discussed—remember, the Lord is witness between you and me forever.”

24 So David hid in the field, and when the New Moon feast came, the king sat down to eat. 25 He sat in his customary place by the wall, opposite Jonathan,[a] and Abner sat next to Saul, but David’s place was empty. 26 Saul said nothing that day, for he thought, “Something must have happened to David to make him ceremonially unclean—surely he is unclean. ” 27 But the next day, the second day of the month, David’s place was empty again. Then Saul said to his son Jonathan, “Why hasn’t the son of Jesse come to the meal, either yesterday or today?”

28 Jonathan answered, “David earnestly asked me for permission to go to Bethlehem. 29 He said, ‘Let me go, because our family is observing a sacrifice in the town and my brother has ordered me to be there. If I have found favor in your eyes, let me get away to see my brothers.’ That is why he has not come to the king’s table.”

30 Saul’s anger flared up at Jonathan and he said to him, “You son of a perverse and rebellious woman! Don’t I know that you have sided with the son of Jesse to your own shame and to the shame of the mother who bore you? 31 As long as the son of Jesse lives on this earth, neither you nor your kingdom will be established. Now send someone to bring him to me, for he must die!”

32 “Why should he be put to death? What has he done?” Jonathan asked his father. 33 But Saul hurled his spear at him to kill him. Then Jonathan knew that his father intended to kill David.

34 Jonathan got up from the table in fierce anger; on that second day of the feast he did not eat, because he was grieved at his father’s shameful treatment of David.

35 In the morning Jonathan went out to the field for his meeting with David. He had a small boy with him, 36 and he said to the boy, “Run and find the arrows I shoot.” As the boy ran, he shot an arrow beyond him. 37 When the boy came to the place where Jonathan’s arrow had fallen, Jonathan called out after him, “Isn’t the arrow beyond you?” 38 Then he shouted, “Hurry! Go quickly! Don’t stop!” The boy picked up the arrow and returned to his master. 39 (The boy knew nothing about all this; only Jonathan and David knew.) 40 Then Jonathan gave his weapons to the boy and said, “Go, carry them back to town.”

41 After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with his face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together—but David wept the most.

42 Jonathan said to David, “Go in peace, for we have sworn friendship with each other in the name of the Lord, saying, ‘The Lord is witness between you and me, and between your descendants and my descendants forever. ’” Then David left, and Jonathan went back to the town.
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1 Samuel 20:1-42

David and Jonathan

20 Then David fled from Naioth at Ramah and went to Jonathan and asked, “What have I done? What is my crime? How have I wronged your father, that he is trying to kill me?”

2 “Never!” Jonathan replied. “You are not going to die! Look, my father doesn’t do anything, great or small, without letting me know. Why would he hide this from me? It isn’t so!”

3 But David took an oath and said, “Your father knows very well that I have found favor in your eyes, and he has said to himself, ‘Jonathan must not know this or he will be grieved.’ Yet as surely as the Lord lives and as you live, there is only a step between me and death.”

4 Jonathan said to David, “Whatever you want me to do, I’ll do for you.”

5 So David said, “Look, tomorrow is the New Moon feast, and I am supposed to dine with the king; but let me go and hide in the field until the evening of the day after tomorrow. 6 If your father misses me at all, tell him, ‘David earnestly asked my permission to hurry to Bethlehem, his hometown, because an annual sacrifice is being made there for his whole clan.’ 7 If he says, ‘Very well,’ then your servant is safe. But if he loses his temper, you can be sure that he is determined to harm me. 8 As for you, show kindness to your servant, for you have brought him into a covenant with you before the Lord. If I am guilty, then kill me yourself! Why hand me over to your father?”

9 “Never!” Jonathan said. “If I had the least inkling that my father was determined to harm you, wouldn’t I tell you?”

10 David asked, “Who will tell me if your father answers you harshly?”

11 “Come,” Jonathan said, “let’s go out into the field.” So they went there together.

12 Then Jonathan said to David, “I swear by the Lord, the God of Israel, that I will surely sound out my father by this time the day after tomorrow! If he is favorably disposed toward you, will I not send you word and let you know? 13 But if my father intends to harm you, may the Lord deal with Jonathan, be it ever so severely, if I do not let you know and send you away in peace. May the Lord be with you as he has been with my father. 14 But show me unfailing kindness like the Lord’s kindness as long as I live, so that I may not be killed, 15 and do not ever cut off your kindness from my family —not even when the Lord has cut off every one of David’s enemies from the face of the earth.”


READ ALL OF THE SCRIPTURE< THIS IS ABOUT FRIENDSHIP AND THE LOVE FOR ISRAEL AND FOR EACH OF THEM....


Nothing SEXUAL AT ALL....
 Quoting: christian


this is ridiculous. you didn't even show the pertinent verses. try again, please: how david loved jonathan and the ceremony. come on now, get real. show us.
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SINCE THE STORY OF DAVID AND JOHNATHAN IS ABOUT ISRAEL AND THE JEWISH PEOPLE< THEY KNOW THE STORY


Saul's Jealousy, Jonathan's Loyalty
David -- National Hero


But Saul had never forgotten Samuel's last words to him. Everything pointed to David as his successor to the throne. An incident served to arouse Saul's jealousy and distrust of David. Following the pursuit and slaughter of the Philistines both returned together to Gibeah. The women came forth out of their tents to meet the conquerors, dancing with tambourine, harps and cymbals. They played and sang to one another, "Saul has slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands." Saul did not conceal his feelings and several times, during fits of extreme jealousy, even attempted to take David's life. One day when David was playing before the king as usual, Saul threw his javelin at his head, intending to kill him. David happily eluded the thrust of the weapon twice, and hastened out of the king's presence. Afraid of the young warrior, and yet not daring to attack his life again, because he saw that G-d's favor was with him, Saul removed him from his household, and made him captain over a thousand men, in the hope that the dangers of war would accomplish what he desired.

Saul's Jealousy Grows

But Saul's fears grew as David's military triumphs became more numerous and more brilliant, and at length his jealousy was fanned into hatred. It became so violent and unrestrained that he once more resolved to kill David, and it was only on the earnest entreaties of Jonathan that he desisted from his purpose and even became reconciled to the youthful hero. But the friendly relationship did not last long. Another war broke out against the Philistines. David was as courageous and successful as ever. This roused Saul's envy to such a degree that again, in a fit of ungovernable passion, he attempted to slay David with his javelin. David was alarmed and sought refuge in his own house. There, however, he was followed by the king's messengers, who were ordered to prevent his flight. Michal, justly fearing for the life of her husband, helped him to escape through a window and thus to elude his pursuers. David fled to Samuel in Naioth. There he stayed but a short time.

David's and Jonathan's Secret Pact

David secretly returned to Gibeah and came to Jonathan with a tone of deep despair in his cry: "What have I done, what is my iniquity, and what is my sin before thy father, that he seeks my life?" Jonathan endeavored to comfort him, but it was in vain, for David knew full well that Saul would leave nothing untried to take his life. Jonathan resolved to ascertain his father's intentions. On the morrow, which was the first day of the new-moon, the king was, according to custom, to feast with his court. David was expected to take part in the banquet, as usual, but he determined to remain away, on the plea that he had gone to Beth-Lehem to be present at the yearly sacrifice of his family. Should this reason satisfy Saul, it would be considered a favorable sign for David; but should he be angry, then he would know that his life was in danger. Jonathan bade David hide himself in the fields near the Stone of Ezel. Thither he would return to him after the feast, and there he would let him know by a pre-arranged sign whether to approach Saul or to flee. In this time of harassing anxiety, the two friends renewed their vows of attachment.

The New-Moon Banquet

At the banquet, at which, besides Jonathan, Abner, the captain of the host, and other chiefs were also present, David's place was unoccupied. The king thought he might have been detained by some chance or unavoidable accident. But when the seat remained empty on the following day also, he asked Jonathan, "Why did the son of Jesse not come to the meal, neither yesterday nor today?" Jonathan mentioned the annual sacrifice which was being solemnized by Jesse's house at Beth-Lehem. Then Saul's wrath was suddenly roused; he burst into uncontrollable rage, both at the innocent Jonathan and at his friend. He commanded his son to bring David at once before him to be put to death. Jonathan rose from the table in sorrow and shame.

David and Jonathan

On the following morning, Jonathan, followed by a servant who carried his arrows, for the ostensible purpose of shooting at a target, went out into the field where David was hidden. Advancing to the Stone of Ezel, where David lay concealed, he bade the servant stand and observe on which side of the stone the shafts would fall as he shot them. As the missile sprang from the bow, Jonathan exclaimed, "Is not the arrow beyond thee?" To the ears of David, these words, according to his agreement with Jonathan, conveyed this meaning--"Your life is in danger." The servant picked up the arrow for his master and was then sent back to the city. When he was out of sight, David issued from his hiding place, and the two friends met. For a long time they remained silent; they wept bitterly in each other's arms; but their grief was too deep for words. At length Jonathan spoke: "Go in peace," said he, "and it remains as we have sworn both of us in the name of the L-rd, saying, The L-rd be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever!" So they parted --David to flee and wander homelessly, Jonathan to return to the royal town and to his father's palace, feeling as though it were he who was going into banishment.
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from david's lament:

Saul and Jonathan, beloved and pleasant in their life, And in their death they were not parted; They were swifter than eagles, They were stronger than lions... "How have the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! Jonathan is slain on your high places. "I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan; You have been very pleasant to me. Your love to me was more wonderful Than the love of women. "How have the mighty fallen, And the weapons of war perished!

spin as you will. let's just say they were very much love.
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from david's lament:

Saul and Jonathan, beloved and pleasant in their life, And in their death they were not parted; They were swifter than eagles, They were stronger than lions... "How have the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! Jonathan is slain on your high places. "I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan; You have been very pleasant to me. Your love to me was more wonderful Than the love of women. "How have the mighty fallen, And the weapons of war perished!

spin as you will. let's just say they were very much love.
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in love.
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It's not just a Christian thing will grant this, but they are one of the culprits to be sure of all this.
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Ajk,
No way am I saying that any GAY person should be harassed or called derogatory names, and they have their place as human beings in this world just like everyone else..

However:

Christians will never SURRENDER the issue of Homosexuality being a lifestyle compatible with the WORD of GOD or the meaning of Marriage...

Christians will fight the Homosexual Agenda to the bitter end, not with weapons but with the WORD of GOD...And you know...WHEN GOD IS FOR US, THEN WHO CAN STAND AGAISNT US???

NO ONE...NOT A ONE....
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You pretty much just proved yourself to be a hypocrite, you say not to harass, but then you later use God to harass and deny them rights. Doesn't work. If they have their place in the world TREAT THEM THAT WAY. Don't make them out to be second class because of what you THINK God says.
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GAYS can Marry just like everyone else does they have the SAME RIGHTS.... They cannot re-define what Marriage means that would give them SPECIAL RIGHTS.
 Quoting: christian


First off, you're fucking full of shit, if they HAVE to marry the gender you WANT them to, as opposed to who THEY would wanna marry, they do NOT have the same right you do!

Secondly, how exactly is it a "special right" to give them equal chance to marry who they love just like straights have? I mean really? Use your goddamn head will you please?

I swear, you people treat gays like blacks were treated in 60's. Acting like because they want the very same thing you have that it's asking for some "special right". It's called equality, learn it.

The battle against homosexuality is racism in another form flat out.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

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They are in fact no more "gay" than other pedophiles who go after little girls are "straight". Both are suffering from a serious mental aberration that may not be curable or even treatable.

Trying to justify sex with a person unable to give consent because of their youth is flat out criminal, and the act of a sick mind.

When pedophiles gather to justify their attacks on minors, I don't care if they're straight or gay. They're fucking sick and need to be stopped from carrying out their schemes of seduction on children.

I am a gay man myself and I find NAMBLA (or whatever it is) wholly vile and disgusting. I have met members of that organization socially and I won't even shake their hands! They are beneath the contempt of the entire gay community, in my opinion. Were I to know of a member of that NAMBLA organization was involved in any social or political group I was involved with, I would insist that he be removed or I would withdraw my own support, be it financial or otherwise. I want NOTHING TO DO WITH SUCH SICK BASTARDS and most GAY MEN AND WOMEN FEEL THE SAME WAY... this is not an issue of "political correctness" or of "acceptance". You cannot justify or change what is fundamentally a criminal act.

Sex with children is NOT just another sexual preference. It is a criminal act of the most heinous nature. I find it sickening that NAMBLA doesn't have the brains or a bit of shame sufficient to cause them to keep their sickness out of the public eye!

Frankly I personally have no problem with anything two CONSENTING PEOPLE choose to do with each other sexually, PROVIDING THEY'RE OLD ENOUGH TO MAKE THE CHOICE FREELY AND WITHOUT COERCION or FORCE. But child molestation in any guise is NOT sex. It is a vile and predatory act that can and does leave the child victims scared emotionally (and perhaps physically) for the rest of their lives. It is a deep psychological illness that so far, has proven to be beyond the reach of modern therapeutic techniques. Personally, I believe such behavior to be a form of psychosis and these men who practice "sex with children" (either male or female) are no different from any other psychopath who prays on society in one form or another and does so without conscience or regret! They must be stopped. Treated if it's possible, but most of all, stopped from harming innocent children in the pursuit of their sickness!

DO NOT lump decent respectable GAY MEN AND WOMEN in with NAMBLA and their ilk. They are no more "gay" than a man raping a female child is "straight". Both are sick beyond belief and it seems to be a sickness of their very soul that we do not know how to treat or change.



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Oh don't even fucking start......pedophila is NOT the
same as homosexuality, and anyone with half a brain knows it.

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You know the drill ... it hasn't changed since last week.


Not every Gay person is a NAMBLA member.

But EVERY piece-of-shit, child-raping NAMBLA member IS Gay.
[link to www.nambla.org]

NAMBLA-mtg

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Last Edited by MarkinAZ on 07/08/2012 10:26 AM
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They are in fact no more "gay" than other pedophiles who go after little girls are "straight". Both are suffering from a serious mental aberration that may not be curable or even treatable.

Trying to justify sex with a person unable to give consent because of their youth is flat out criminal, and the act of a sick mind.

When pedophiles gather to justify their attacks on minors, I don't care if they're straight or gay. They're fucking sick and need to be stopped from carrying out their schemes of seduction on children.

I am a gay man myself and I find NAMBLA (or whatever it is) wholly vile and disgusting. I have met members of that organization socially and I won't even shake their hands! They are beneath the contempt of the entire gay community, in my opinion. Were I to know of a member of that NAMBLA organization was involved in any social or political group I was involved with, I would insist that he be removed or I would withdraw my own support, be it financial or otherwise. I want NOTHING TO DO WITH SUCH SICK BASTARDS and most GAY MEN AND WOMEN FEEL THE SAME WAY... this is not an issue of "political correctness" or of "acceptance". You cannot justify or change what is fundamentally a criminal act.

Sex with children is NOT just another sexual preference. It is a criminal act of the most heinous nature. I find it sickening that NAMBLA doesn't have the brains or a bit of shame sufficient to cause them to keep their sickness out of the public eye!

Frankly I personally have no problem with anything two CONSENTING PEOPLE choose to do with each other sexually, PROVIDING THEY'RE OLD ENOUGH TO MAKE THE CHOICE FREELY AND WITHOUT COERCION or FORCE. But child molestation in any guise is NOT sex. It is a vile and predatory act that can and does leave the child victims scared emotionally (and perhaps physically) for the rest of their lives. It is a deep psychological illness that so far, has proven to be beyond the reach of modern therapeutic techniques. Personally, I believe such behavior to be a form of psychosis and these men who practice "sex with children" (either male or female) are no different from any other psychopath who prays on society in one form or another and does so without conscience or regret! They must be stopped. Treated if it's possible, but most of all, stopped from harming innocent children in the pursuit of their sickness!

DO NOT lump decent respectable GAY MEN AND WOMEN in with NAMBLA and their ilk. They are no more "gay" than a man raping a female child is "straight". Both are sick beyond belief and it seems to be a sickness of their very soul that we do not know how to treat or change.



.

Oh don't even fucking start......pedophila is NOT the
same as homosexuality, and anyone with half a brain knows it.

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 Quoting: ajk
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You know the drill ... it hasn't changed since last week.


Not every Gay person is a NAMBLA member.

But EVERY piece-of-shit, child-raping NAMBLA member IS Gay.
[link to www.nambla.org]

NAMBLA-mtg

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 Quoting: MarkinAZ


amen, and from a straight person, I am sorry for the crap you get for being who you are, it's not at all deserved. hf
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

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What difference does it make if one is straight, bi, gay, black , white, purple or blue! If someone is gay, so be it let them live there own lives. There are more important things in life to be worried about!
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What difference does it make if one is straight, bi, gay,
black , white, purple or blue! If someone is gay, so be it let
them live there own lives. There are more important things in
life to be worried about!


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Apparently ... not to a Gay person.

Nambla2
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amen, and from a straight person, I am sorry for the crap you
get for being who you are, it's not at all deserved. hf

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AJK, you have all the markings of a heterosexual poser.
Seriously, the kind that infiltrates locker rooms or
church boy choir groups.


If you're not Gay, it's likely only because you are
repressing your own urges.
How hypocritical of you.


I suspect one of the two people in
the picture below are attractive to
you in a sexual manner. Most likely,
it's for the one with the purse.

purimaa

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