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Obama vs. Romney is not our only choice. With the current U.S. presidential race, I post this thread as a plea and a call to action.

Thomas Jefferson said, "The greatest good we can do our country is to heal its party
divisions and make them one people." (1801)

But I can't say political parties are inherently evil. There is an infallible logic to pooling resources to accomplish change. Doing so under a clever little name seems human, too.


"The argument presented in this post is that this is exactly what you’d expect to find if a single special interest coalition wished to control a country. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that in some hypothetical country there was a group of people who wished to control the government and to benefit themselves by manipulating government decisions in ways that were potentially harmful to the population at large.

Suppose, further, that these ruling interests first founded or bankrolled a single party only, which tried to gain control of the government. That might work in a dictatorship, but in a democracy like the United States, where people can in theory vote an aversive regime, it is difficult. After a few years, people would get tired of the oppression, identify the government as the cause, and elect a new government. Therefore it would not be in the interests of such vested interests to form a single party only, and to try to control the government by that means."
-John Uebersax
February 17, 2008
[link to satyagraha.wordpress.com]


"We still have voters who call themselves "Democrats" and "Republicans." Congress is still formally divided along party lines. But do these labels define a reality? Perhaps, once again, we are trapped by habits of thought - or by conventions that have become obsolete without our having grasped the change."
-Ken Eisold Ph.D
February 8, 2010
[link to www.psychologytoday.com]


Here is a cool little time-line of major political parties in the U.S.
[link to www.edgate.com]

Notice the very fist little bit; Thomas Jefferson formed a party before he spoke out against it. Maybe he saw what I see?

Before we had telegraph, the only way to get a message to someone was by delivering it. Without our means of communication and the practically free ability to transfer data, how would you get a message out? You would get a bunch of people together and pool their resources to spread the message as fast as possible, no?

Another quote from Jefferson, "The excellence of every government is its adaptation to the state of those to be governed by it." (1816)

Things change. I believe any society's government needs to have a means to change and bend to the times.

Mob rule is unfortunate if you're not in the mob, but it seems, to me, democracy and majority vote is a pretty good way to do it. The Constitution and The Bill of Rights (in its original form) are pretty fuckin' amazing. If you haven't read them both, you're doing life wrong. Read them here: [link to www.archives.gov]
and here: [link to www.archives.gov]

However, People here on GLP, myself included, feel there is a nefarious mechanism in place pushing us (our society and where the rewards of that society go) toward a selfish end.

Our media is controlled. The "news" is pretty restricted. According to the Pew Research Center, around 60% of us get our news through television. After that, it's online sources. Here's their graph: [link to www.santabarbaraview.com]

So it seems their showing us what they want, and we're choking it down. We need to stop.

This article from USA Today [link to content.usatoday.com] says over half of us want another political option beyond the Dems and Reps. Over half! Most of us.

Aren't you fed up with them both? Who's running them? What they tell us is important? The shit they put in our water?

The only reason we even have Obomney is because they say we have to.

Will we continue to obey?

We have a system in place based on voting, executing what most of us want, and we don't even us it! Let's show everyone what we want! If it doesn't get done this time around, next year our voice will be even stronger!


"Independent voters are an increasingly important voting bloc. They have outnumbered both Democrats and Republicans continuously for the past two and a half years, by far the longest period in which they’ve done so in ABC News-Washington Post polls dating back to 1981."
-Huma Khan
Jan 9, 2012
[link to abcnews.go.com]


Stop using the government we dislike in our own different ways. Please throw away your T.V. Stop taking welfare. Stop planning to draw Social Security. Stop collecting unemployment. Cut your expenses. Go live with your family. It's not at all a bad thing to live with extended families. The joy it can bring is tremendous. Personally, I feel the "Nuclear Family", so to speak, is another evil being perpetuated. ...But that's another thread.

You may need help. Don't worry; you've got more friends than you know. Talk to your neighbors. Plant a garden. We can do this if we want to. It'll be amazing.

Do not give up!

Don't give in!

Vote third party!


P.S.
A good article about the history of political parties in the U.S:
[link to www.ourwhitehouse.org]

I also recommend scrolling through Wikipedia starting here:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The history of communication methods timeline (something cool I found)
[link to inventors.about.com]
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Right?

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At the risk of being permanently banned, which is not hard to do here, I will say that there are several better alternatives than The Man Who Calls Himself Obama, and Mitt Romney.

Gary Johnson is an excellent candidate. Two-term (term-limited-out) governor of New Mexico. Social liberal, fiscal conservative. He's walked the talk.

Check it out. Google his website.

(Disclaimer: I have an interest in this, being a state chairman for America's third-largest party.)
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Gary Johnson is an excellent candidate. Two-term (term-limited-out) governor of New Mexico. Social liberal, fiscal conservative. He's walked the talk.

Check it out. Google his website.
 Quoting: Nuke Skywalker


Thank you. His page is flashy... I'm reading it now.

It would be awesome if someone from New Mexico could speak about him.
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Gary Johnson is an excellent candidate. Two-term (term-limited-out) governor of New Mexico. Social liberal, fiscal conservative. He's walked the talk.

Check it out. Google his website.
 Quoting: Nuke Skywalker


Thank you. His page is flashy... I'm reading it now.

It would be awesome if someone from New Mexico could speak about him.
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Gary Johnson is the best of the best in the current race. He was a two term governor here prior to Richardson and cut government, REDUCED TAXES, streamlined everything, and left the state in a far better place than it ever was. Unfortunately, his successor screwed things up a bit, but Gary Johnson was the best. He believes in freedom and encouraged us to dump the drug laws - not because he liked drugs, but because we couldn't afford the loss of rights and other costs of having these stupid laws.

He stands for the same as a candidate for President.

I like Ron Paul, but unless he runs as an independent, he'll be run over by the publitards. They're both good, but I'd prefer Gary Johnson. BTW, Gary was and is an entrepreneur and businessman, and has been responsible for serious employment in NM.
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Romney and Obama are essentially the same, so there's no choice between them. The only choice is between mainstream candidates and non-mainstream candidates.

The "mainstream" has brought us war, terror, repression, and bankruptcy. Time to change.
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you hippies are in the wrong century! Maybe if you repeat the process James Earl Jones demonstrated to Kevin Costner in Field of Dreams all your wishes would come true!
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you hippies are in the wrong century! Maybe if you repeat the process James Earl Jones demonstrated to Kevin Costner in Field of Dreams all your wishes would come true!
rofl
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What we've been doing isn't working. Do you dispute that?

yeahsure
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I hate to say it but Buddy Roemer was probably the Republicans best bet and you blew it pushing another Neo Con Mitt Rmoney. Ron Paul no matter how much you like him is unelectable (Thanks Fox news).

Buddy Roemer:

America is a nation at risk. Job prospects are inadequate. Trade is neither smart nor fair. The tax code is unreadable and, I say, un-American. The budget is unsustainable. Small business must be re-vitalized. Energy has no strategy. Healthcare is not healthy. Banks are still too big to fail, and comprehensive immigration reform is a fantasy.

We can turn all these problems into opportunities, but we must begin our battle with the special interests who are content with the status quo. They don’t want change. They spend billions to keep their control. They own our political system. They bought it with their fundraisers for incumbents, and with jobs for the already powerful. They bought it with special favors and inside information for those who can return the gesture in amendments and legislation and earmarks. They finance the elections. They hire the politicians upon their retirement. And they own the two major political parties. It’s un-democratic and it’s simply un-American.

Look at the facts. 98% of the electorate does not give a penny to presidential or congressional campaigns. The money comes from Wall Street banks, corporate PACs, the labor union coffers, insurance and pharmaceutical companies, Big Oil, military defense contractors, miscellaneous PACs, Super PACs and the lobbyists. The money comes from all of these special interests, and what do they get in return? “Too big to fail” and the death of Glass-Steagall, insurance monopolies, pharmaceutical profit protection, no-bid contracts, $675 hammers for the military, earmarks, $5.1 billion in profits and pay no federal income taxes, subsidies for the wealthiest corporations, and all of the big givers first in line for any perks or favors.


[link to www.buddyroemer.com]
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Gary Johnson is an excellent candidate. Two-term (term-limited-out) governor of New Mexico. Social liberal, fiscal conservative. He's walked the talk.

Check it out. Google his website.
 Quoting: Nuke Skywalker


Thank you. His page is flashy... I'm reading it now.

It would be awesome if someone from New Mexico could speak about him.
 Quoting: Flat


Gary Johnson is the best of the best in the current race. He was a two term governor here prior to Richardson and cut government, REDUCED TAXES, streamlined everything, and left the state in a far better place than it ever was. Unfortunately, his successor screwed things up a bit, but Gary Johnson was the best. He believes in freedom and encouraged us to dump the drug laws - not because he liked drugs, but because we couldn't afford the loss of rights and other costs of having these stupid laws.

He stands for the same as a candidate for President.

I like Ron Paul, but unless he runs as an independent, he'll be run over by the publitards. They're both good, but I'd prefer Gary Johnson. BTW, Gary was and is an entrepreneur and businessman, and has been responsible for serious employment in NM.
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The nice thing about Johnson, he's got the good ideas of RP with none of the baggage. The ageists can't say he's too old or likely to keel over in office, he's 59, climbed Everest and did the Iron Man triatholon. He's a healthy example for the couch potatoes. He let NM with a huge surplus even after cutting the budget and taxes and improving how educational dollars were spent. He also showed unusual grace under fire with his handling of the Cerro Grande fire. I'm not from NM, but I've researched him extensively as an option for November since I really doubt Paul's going to pull the nom-nom-nom out of his ass. There's a few things I'm not 100% on with Johnson, but I don't get he's evil... I'm not voting for evil, lesser or otherwise. I can deal with not agreeing 100% if I can understand someone's position logically and without feeling like it's BS.

Last Edited by Bea Nameless on 07/07/2012 09:05 PM
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From my worldview things are going great. Its truly a wonderful time to be an American. At some point, libertarians, constitutionalists and other neo-luddite factions will ride their horse drawn buggies back to the 18th century
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you hippies are in the wrong century! Maybe if you repeat the process James Earl Jones demonstrated to Kevin Costner in Field of Dreams all your wishes would come true!
rofl
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What we've been doing isn't working. Do you dispute that?

yeahsure
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I hate to say it but Buddy Roemer was probably the Republicans best bet and you blew it pushing another Neo Con Mitt Rmoney. Ron Paul no matter how much you like him is unelectable (Thanks Fox news).

[link to www.buddyroemer.com]
 Quoting: Major_Payne


I never knew about him.

But he gave up. For some reason or another he NEEDED to be on the Republican ticket? He should keep going, I think! Look at this from his site:

"We were not included in a single one of the 23 nationally televised GOP debates, and yet received 7% of the popular vote in a national poll conducted just a few weeks ago. My team was amazing and I thank you."
- [link to www.buddyroemer.com]

That's amazing. Change is in the air.

Payne, Do you know this Johnson folk?
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The nice thing about Johnson, he's got the good ideas of RP with none of the baggage. The ageists can't say he's too old or likely to keel over in office, he's 59, climbed Everest and did the Iron Man triatholon. He's a healthy example for the couch potatoes. He let NM with a huge surplus even after cutting the budget and taxes and improving how educational dollars were spent. He also showed unusual grace under fire with his handling of the Cerro Grande fire. I'm not from NM, but I've researched him extensively as an option for November since I really doubt Paul's going to pull the nom-nom-nom out of his ass. There's a few things I'm not 100% on with Johnson, but I don't get he's evil... I'm not voting for evil, lesser or otherwise. I can deal with not agreeing 100% if I can understand someone's position logically and without feeling like it's BS.
 Quoting: Bea Nameless


I liked what he has up on his site. I never knew about him. Thanks for the info!

What don't you get about Johnson?
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From my worldview things are going great. Its truly a wonderful time to be an American. At some point, libertarians, constitutionalists and other neo-luddite factions will ride their horse drawn buggies back to the 18th century
rofl
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Explain your world view a bit. I don't see it the same at all. Everyone around here is tired. Poor. There's no real food to eat. Most are trying too hard, for my taste anyway...
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That doesn't strike me as the fabled "American Way" where everyone worked hard to climb the ladder of success. Tired, poor people should work even harder to get ahead or are you advocating more federal handouts?







From my worldview things are going great. Its truly a wonderful time to be an American. At some point, libertarians, constitutionalists and other neo-luddite factions will ride their horse drawn buggies back to the 18th century
rofl
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Explain your world view a bit. I don't see it the same at all. Everyone around here is tired. Poor. There's no real food to eat. Most are trying too hard, for my taste anyway...
 Quoting: Flat
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The nice thing about Johnson, he's got the good ideas of RP with none of the baggage. The ageists can't say he's too old or likely to keel over in office, he's 59, climbed Everest and did the Iron Man triatholon. He's a healthy example for the couch potatoes. He let NM with a huge surplus even after cutting the budget and taxes and improving how educational dollars were spent. He also showed unusual grace under fire with his handling of the Cerro Grande fire. I'm not from NM, but I've researched him extensively as an option for November since I really doubt Paul's going to pull the nom-nom-nom out of his ass. There's a few things I'm not 100% on with Johnson, but I don't get he's evil... I'm not voting for evil, lesser or otherwise. I can deal with not agreeing 100% if I can understand someone's position logically and without feeling like it's BS.
 Quoting: Bea Nameless


I liked what he has up on his site. I never knew about him. Thanks for the info!

What don't you get about Johnson?
 Quoting: Flat


The privatizing of prisons, but it's balanced by the fact he wants to end the "Drug War" which would mean more actual criminals would go into those private prisons. So I balanced it out, lol. Buddy Roemer's also awesome, but he lacks charisma, IMO. Between Johnson and Roemer, I feel Johnson can "play the game" better. Roemer's one of those too good for this world people and I fear another Carter... because Carter was a good, nice man who should never, ever have been our president. All heart, no balls, lol.
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I hate to say it but Buddy Roemer was probably the Republicans best bet and you blew it pushing another Neo Con Mitt Rmoney. Ron Paul no matter how much you like him is unelectable (Thanks Fox news).

[link to www.buddyroemer.com]
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I never knew about him.

But he gave up. For some reason or another he NEEDED to be on the Republican ticket? He should keep going, I think! Look at this from his site:

"We were not included in a single one of the 23 nationally televised GOP debates, and yet received 7% of the popular vote in a national poll conducted just a few weeks ago. My team was amazing and I thank you."
- [link to www.buddyroemer.com]

That's amazing. Change is in the air.

Payne, Do you know this Johnson folk?
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Yea, I checked into him. He's A Corporations wet dream. No Gov. Regulations. No Taxes. Privatize everything. His Fair tax is a joke.
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There is not a thing on earth that would compel me to want another Barry term.

Romney could run stark raving naked thru the White house lawn and I would still vote for him.

The sooner Barry leaves America the better. There is a village in Kenya missing it's idiot.
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There is not a thing on earth that would compel me to want another Barry term.

Romney could run stark raving naked thru the White house lawn and I would still vote for him.

The sooner Barry leaves America the better. There is a village in Kenya missing it's idiot.
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Why pick the lesser of two evil instead of choosing someone who you think would actually do a good job?

You do have other choices.

I don't know why everyone thinks otherwise. Oh. Maybe someone told them to?
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Obama v. Romney (2)Two Shits from the same pile.
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