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Ha! Everyone I know is going to refuse to buy Obamacare and try to not pay the IRS penalty. Of course the IRS is all powerful and will garnish wages and other shit but if we all stick together and engage in civil disobedience for a just cause I think it will work itself out.
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yep. time to stop paying taxes, take all money out of banks and find a black market to generate revenue. Boycott the 'legit' system until it fails because its too corrupt to continue.
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Ha! Everyone I know is going to refuse to buy Obamacare and try to not pay the IRS penalty. Of course the IRS is all powerful and will garnish wages and other shit but if we all stick together and engage in civil disobedience for a just cause I think it will work itself out.
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Count me in.

I will die before I pay this fucking alien regime a penny.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
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fair point IMO.

Though, many of that insured 85% is already taxed like crazy (75% see link). Some of them may jump on a tax revolt ship if they saw it floating on by.





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Seems the sheeple will sleep forever. But if they are roused they are surely not going to take the governments side.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
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It's my understanding that the law (i'm sorry, the TAX) only affects companies bigger than 50 employees.

That drops the percentage even further…
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
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Guess what doofus. Once you are REQUIRED by government to buy something, it becomes a tax. If I am forced to buy insurance, every penny that goes to pay for it is a tax. Therefore 100% of everyone is being taxed whether they have insurance or not. And you have no idea how this is going to play out, there's a very good chance everyone's premiums are going to skyrocket, because people are now forced to give their money to insurance companies. Same thing happen when people were forced to buy car insurance in the 70's
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
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Total BS. I'm dropping the health care I currently offer to my employees with an inter-office memo explaining that it's time for everyone to go find their own insurance. I'm paying the tax - it's cheaper.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


And the majority that have insurance get it thru their employer. However, once businesses discover that it's cheaper for them to pay the penalty (I'm not talking about the individual penalty/tax) as opposed to paying to insure their employees then very few businesses will offer health insurance which will force most people to buy coverage in the market. THAT's when things will go to shit and fast.

The price of "health insurance" is going to sky rocket...not to mention lots of other bad effects.
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There's no way there's going to be a revolt. Have you seen what the brownshirts at TSA are doing to people every single day and there's not even a whimper out of anyone.

They say it makes us SAFER not to profile. People toe the line.

Americans will do what they're told to do - period. Americans are a bunch of good little rule followers.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
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Total BS. I'm dropping the health care I currently offer to my employees with an inter-office memo explaining that it's time for everyone to go find their own insurance. I'm paying the tax - it's cheaper.
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You apparently don't understand why Companies offer Healthcare plans to their employees. They offer them instead of increases in wages. But most people don't realize the Company gets a 66% tax break on that plan. That's like getting government subsidies for your employees wages. If the Company were to get rid of their plan the employees would expect a raise.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


It's my understanding that the law (i'm sorry, the TAX) only affects companies bigger than 50 employees.

That drops the percentage even further…
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2257547

I was watching the news the other night. They had a bunch of employers on saying...

"We coule easily employ more then 50 and grow our business, but with the new law, were going to keep our employees under 50. Because to employ 50 or more would cost us to much (Cripple growth)
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I hope the hell people do revolt and cut the money for them to piss away on useless eaters.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
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It's my understanding that the law (i'm sorry, the TAX) only affects companies bigger than 50 employees.

That drops the percentage even further…
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2257547

I was watching the news the other night. They had a bunch of employers on saying...

"We coule easily employ more then 50 and grow our business, but with the new law, were going to keep our employees under 50. Because to employ 50 or more would cost us to much (Cripple growth)
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Companies hire based on need. I'm sure they would run a Company without employees if they could, but they can't. Saying they are going to refuse to hire because of Obamacare sounds pretty disingenuous to me.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
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You are wrong. It's many more people than you think. Plus, your healthcare costs are about to skyrocket. Just you wait, kid. You're going to find out.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
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You are wrong. It's many more people than you think. Plus, your healthcare costs are about to skyrocket. Just you wait, kid. You're going to find out.
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They must prove to the Gov. the need for a rate increase or they risk being thrown out of the insurance pool. They must spend 80 to 85% of revenue taken in on patient care. If they don't hit this mark they must give their customers a rebate. This is all designed to keep costs down.
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Companies hire based on need. I'm sure they would run a Company without employees if they could, but they can't. Saying they are going to refuse to hire because of Obamacare sounds pretty disingenuous to me.
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If you are a small business and have 35 employees, and you can hire 35 more, but if you do, you would be mandated by the government to pay 2K a month for insurance for not just the new employees but all your employees, then that's an incentive to not hire those 35 employees. Have you read this law?
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


It's my understanding that the law (i'm sorry, the TAX) only affects companies bigger than 50 employees.

That drops the percentage even further…
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2257547

I was watching the news the other night. They had a bunch of employers on saying...

"We coule easily employ more then 50 and grow our business, but with the new law, were going to keep our employees under 50. Because to employ 50 or more would cost us to much (Cripple growth)
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Companies hire based on need. I'm sure they would run a Company without employees if they could, but they can't. Saying they are going to refuse to hire because of Obamacare sounds pretty disingenuous to me.
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Then you fail to understand basic business economics.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


You are wrong. It's many more people than you think. Plus, your healthcare costs are about to skyrocket. Just you wait, kid. You're going to find out.
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They must prove to the Gov. the need for a rate increase or they risk being thrown out of the insurance pool. They must spend 80 to 85% of revenue taken in on patient care. If they don't hit this mark they must give their customers a rebate. This is all designed to keep costs down.
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"They must prove to the government..." no they don't. They'll just pay bribes in the form of campaign contributions and PRESTO they get whatever they want. That's how this system works, and it works pretty well in fact - for the big corps. The Insurance companies know that all their supposed restrictions aren't going to be enforced.
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Companies hire based on need. I'm sure they would run a Company without employees if they could, but they can't. Saying they are going to refuse to hire because of Obamacare sounds pretty disingenuous to me.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


If you are a small business and have 35 employees, and you can hire 35 more, but if you do, you would be mandated by the government to pay 2K a month for insurance for not just the new employees but all your employees, then that's an incentive to not hire those 35 employees. Have you read this law?
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Yes, I have read the bill. They would more likely higher more people and just cut their hours to below 30hrs a week which is the threshold to get coverage.
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Companies hire based on need. I'm sure they would run a Company without employees if they could, but they can't. Saying they are going to refuse to hire because of Obamacare sounds pretty disingenuous to me.
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If you are a small business and have 35 employees, and you can hire 35 more, but if you do, you would be mandated by the government to pay 2K a month for insurance for not just the new employees but all your employees, then that's an incentive to not hire those 35 employees. Have you read this law?
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Of course he hasn't, hell no one has. He just believes what ever his Master, Obummer tells him.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


You are wrong. It's many more people than you think. Plus, your healthcare costs are about to skyrocket. Just you wait, kid. You're going to find out.
 Quoting: FierySky


They must prove to the Gov. the need for a rate increase or they risk being thrown out of the insurance pool. They must spend 80 to 85% of revenue taken in on patient care. If they don't hit this mark they must give their customers a rebate. This is all designed to keep costs down.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Dude serioulsy?

The end game is for the government to have total control.

How well has the government handled the following;

Social Security
Medicaid
Medicare
Public Education
The War on... (you fill in the blank)
the list could go on for pages...

...and you want them to handle our health care? Really?
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Companies hire based on need. I'm sure they would run a Company without employees if they could, but they can't. Saying they are going to refuse to hire because of Obamacare sounds pretty disingenuous to me.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


If you are a small business and have 35 employees, and you can hire 35 more, but if you do, you would be mandated by the government to pay 2K a month for insurance for not just the new employees but all your employees, then that's an incentive to not hire those 35 employees. Have you read this law?
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Of course he hasn't, hell no one has. He just believes what ever his Master, Obummer tells him.
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I've read the whole thing. A lot of legal jargon but you can follow it fairly easy. They were going to release a more user friendly version to the public but the Republicans said no. They wanted the all lawyered up legal one posted so no one would be able to understand it.

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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


You are wrong. It's many more people than you think. Plus, your healthcare costs are about to skyrocket. Just you wait, kid. You're going to find out.
 Quoting: FierySky


They must prove to the Gov. the need for a rate increase or they risk being thrown out of the insurance pool. They must spend 80 to 85% of revenue taken in on patient care. If they don't hit this mark they must give their customers a rebate. This is all designed to keep costs down.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Dude serioulsy?

The end game is for the government to have total control.

How well has the government handled the following;

Social Security
Medicaid
Medicare
Public Education
The War on... (you fill in the blank)
the list could go on for pages...

...and you want them to handle our health care? Really?
 Quoting: Outland


All of those programs have done pretty well considering it's always in the Republicans best interest to sabotage and destroy them. The War on (name your poison) is mostly a neo con feed the industrial complex scam.
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You are wrong. It's many more people than you think. Plus, your healthcare costs are about to skyrocket. Just you wait, kid. You're going to find out.
 Quoting: FierySky


They must prove to the Gov. the need for a rate increase or they risk being thrown out of the insurance pool. They must spend 80 to 85% of revenue taken in on patient care. If they don't hit this mark they must give their customers a rebate. This is all designed to keep costs down.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Dude serioulsy?

The end game is for the government to have total control.

How well has the government handled the following;

Social Security
Medicaid
Medicare
Public Education
The War on... (you fill in the blank)
the list could go on for pages...

...and you want them to handle our health care? Really?
 Quoting: Outland


All of those programs have done pretty well considering it's always in the Republicans best interest to sabotage and destroy them. The War on (name your poison) is mostly a neo con feed the industrial complex scam.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Oh, now I see! You are a liberal who still buys into the left/right paradigm.

Little use in arguing with those who refuse to wake up.

And NONE of the programs I mentioned are doing "well" as you say. It doesn't take a genius to realize where we are headed.
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They must prove to the Gov. the need for a rate increase or they risk being thrown out of the insurance pool. They must spend 80 to 85% of revenue taken in on patient care. If they don't hit this mark they must give their customers a rebate. This is all designed to keep costs down.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Dude serioulsy?

The end game is for the government to have total control.

How well has the government handled the following;

Social Security
Medicaid
Medicare
Public Education
The War on... (you fill in the blank)
the list could go on for pages...

...and you want them to handle our health care? Really?
 Quoting: Outland


All of those programs have done pretty well considering it's always in the Republicans best interest to sabotage and destroy them. The War on (name your poison) is mostly a neo con feed the industrial complex scam.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Oh, now I see! You are a liberal who still buys into the left/right paradigm.

Little use in arguing with those who refuse to wake up.

And NONE of the programs I mentioned are doing "well" as you say. It doesn't take a genius to realize where we are headed.
 Quoting: Outland


You have apparently bought into the Rightwing propaganda that these programs are broke or going broke. They are not. This is still the richest Country in the world. The Republican mantra is that the Government can't do anything right so therefore these programs must fail. They have been going for about 70 yrs now and will still be here long after we are gone. Face it. The Government can do good things if we work together. Let's all say this together. The United States of America is not broke or going broke.
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Dude serioulsy?

The end game is for the government to have total control.

How well has the government handled the following;

Social Security
Medicaid
Medicare
Public Education
The War on... (you fill in the blank)
the list could go on for pages...

...and you want them to handle our health care? Really?
 Quoting: Outland


All of those programs have done pretty well considering it's always in the Republicans best interest to sabotage and destroy them. The War on (name your poison) is mostly a neo con feed the industrial complex scam.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Oh, now I see! You are a liberal who still buys into the left/right paradigm.

Little use in arguing with those who refuse to wake up.

And NONE of the programs I mentioned are doing "well" as you say. It doesn't take a genius to realize where we are headed.
 Quoting: Outland


You have apparently bought into the Rightwing propaganda that these programs are broke or going broke. They are not. This is still the richest Country in the world. The Republican mantra is that the Government can't do anything right so therefore these programs must fail. They have been going for about 70 yrs now and will still be here long after we are gone. Face it. The Government can do good things if we work together. Let's all say this together. The United States of America is not broke or going broke.
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You serioulsy need to do some research to find the truth. Your bias is keeping you from seeing reality.
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Dude serioulsy?

The end game is for the government to have total control.

How well has the government handled the following;

Social Security
Medicaid
Medicare
Public Education
The War on... (you fill in the blank)
the list could go on for pages...

...and you want them to handle our health care? Really?
 Quoting: Outland


All of those programs have done pretty well considering it's always in the Republicans best interest to sabotage and destroy them. The War on (name your poison) is mostly a neo con feed the industrial complex scam.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Oh, now I see! You are a liberal who still buys into the left/right paradigm.

Little use in arguing with those who refuse to wake up.

And NONE of the programs I mentioned are doing "well" as you say. It doesn't take a genius to realize where we are headed.
 Quoting: Outland


You have apparently bought into the Rightwing propaganda that these programs are broke or going broke. They are not. This is still the richest Country in the world. The Republican mantra is that the Government can't do anything right so therefore these programs must fail. They have been going for about 70 yrs now and will still be here long after we are gone. Face it. The Government can do good things if we work together. Let's all say this together. The United States of America is not broke or going broke.
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Sticking your head in the sand when a storm is coming will not make it all ok, the storm will still come and blow your ass off.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
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Total BS. I'm dropping the health care I currently offer to my employees with an inter-office memo explaining that it's time for everyone to go find their own insurance. I'm paying the tax - it's cheaper.
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You apparently don't understand why Companies offer Healthcare plans to their employees. They offer them instead of increases in wages. But most people don't realize the Company gets a 66% tax break on that plan. That's like getting government subsidies for your employees wages. If the Company were to get rid of their plan the employees would expect a raise.
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A raise? You're kidding, right? LOL That's truly funny.

We're lucky to have a god damned job you MORAN!

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