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Obomination Care Is Class Warfare That Will Ignite A Mass TAX REVOLT

 
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Companies hire based on need. I'm sure they would run a Company without employees if they could, but they can't. Saying they are going to refuse to hire because of Obamacare sounds pretty disingenuous to me.
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If you are a small business and have 35 employees, and you can hire 35 more, but if you do, you would be mandated by the government to pay 2K a month for insurance for not just the new employees but all your employees, then that's an incentive to not hire those 35 employees. Have you read this law?
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Yes, I have read the bill. They would more likely higher more people and just cut their hours to below 30hrs a week which is the threshold to get coverage.
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The scary thing is that you don't even realize what a totaly fucking idiot you are.
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What if a person chooses to treat themselves at home at their own expense? They are not obligated to pay the tax, morally.
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All of those programs have done pretty well considering it's always in the Republicans best interest to sabotage and destroy them. The War on (name your poison) is mostly a neo con feed the industrial complex scam.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Oh, now I see! You are a liberal who still buys into the left/right paradigm.

Little use in arguing with those who refuse to wake up.

And NONE of the programs I mentioned are doing "well" as you say. It doesn't take a genius to realize where we are headed.
 Quoting: Outland


You have apparently bought into the Rightwing propaganda that these programs are broke or going broke. They are not. This is still the richest Country in the world. The Republican mantra is that the Government can't do anything right so therefore these programs must fail. They have been going for about 70 yrs now and will still be here long after we are gone. Face it. The Government can do good things if we work together. Let's all say this together. The United States of America is not broke or going broke.
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You serioulsy need to do some research to find the truth. Your bias is keeping you from seeing reality.
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The "STUPID" is STROOOOONG in one-each Major Payne
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What if a person chooses to treat themselves at home at their own expense? They are not obligated to pay the tax, morally.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Yeah, and on TOP of that, 0bama said that if we like our current health care plan we can keep it. OK, I like mine and I want to keep it. But my company is not going to keep it. They aren't going to offer it anymore.

ANd that MORAN Major Payne thinks I'll get a raise when they cancel the insurance because of all the money the company is saving. LOL

Jesus God. What a fucking IDIOT! How do people GET that fucking stupid?
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What if a person chooses to treat themselves at home at their own expense? They are not obligated to pay the tax, morally.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


You are NOT allowed to do that under any circumstance. The courts have ruled that the state has the requirement to force health codes that are not in your favor. If you choose to medicate yourself, even with a medical degree, you are no longer fit to care for yourself. Check the laws. Every state has the right to order state approved medical requirements. If you grow your own herbs and or medical plants, you are in violation of laws under the FDA. Since they can NOT control your use, you are denied the right to grow and use.
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What if a person chooses to treat themselves at home at their own expense? They are not obligated to pay the tax, morally.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Yeah, and on TOP of that, 0bama said that if we like our current health care plan we can keep it. OK, I like mine and I want to keep it. But my company is not going to keep it. They aren't going to offer it anymore.

ANd that MORAN Major Payne thinks I'll get a raise when they cancel the insurance because of all the money the company is saving. LOL

Jesus God. What a fucking IDIOT! How do people GET that fucking stupid?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13130909


Im in the exact same boat. I have no idea what we will do but id sure like to stay with what I already have. it works fine for my family. Im sure the company will no longer offer the deal.

As far as maj payne goes, hes prolly a 9th grader that hasnt had a chance to meet the real world yet.

He will get his as time goes on. have you seen the usdebtclock dot org? look at the bottom under unfunded liabilities. Maj Payne is goin to have 120 tril dumped in his lap to pay off. we will see what he thinks his chances are of ever getting a raise. LOLZ
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What if a person chooses to treat themselves at home at their own expense? They are not obligated to pay the tax, morally.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


You are NOT allowed to do that under any circumstance. The courts have ruled that the state has the requirement to force health codes that are not in your favor. If you choose to medicate yourself, even with a medical degree, you are no longer fit to care for yourself. Check the laws. Every state has the right to order state approved medical requirements. If you grow your own herbs and or medical plants, you are in violation of laws under the FDA. Since they can NOT control your use, you are denied the right to grow and use.
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What state are you in? It is entirely lawful to grow non-scheduled herbs and medicinal plants. get on google. people and companies are lawfully and legally selling herbal tinctures and bulk medicinal herbs. Now entering into commerce with it is a different matter than having a backyard garden and makeing your own for your own consumption. As soon as you enter commerce with it all kinds of regulations apply.

Bottom line, here in west virginia, the state may or may not be able to force medical treatment on you. IDK. But it is entirely lawful for me to grow chammomile or forage yellow dock and nettle to make tinctures. Since I dont "practice medicine", engage in commerce or make medical/drug claims in commerce or published works, i'm good.
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I should say im good for now. As things stand today. All of our essential liberties are under fire by the bankster cartel so who knows about tommorow or next year.
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Ha! Everyone I know is going to refuse to buy Obamacare and try to not pay the IRS penalty. Of course the IRS is all powerful and will garnish wages and other shit but if we all stick together and engage in civil disobedience for a just cause I think it will work itself out.
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I am refusing it too and most (80%) of the people I know are as well.

Fuck em, I have had enough of their "You will do you will not do" bullshit.
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I should say im good for now. As things stand today. All of our essential liberties are under fire by the bankster cartel so who knows about tommorow or next year.
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And, who do you think gives them the powe to do what they do???? Hmmmmmm????

Try thinking one or two steps deeper - IF YOU CAN.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


You are wrong. It's many more people than you think. Plus, your healthcare costs are about to skyrocket. Just you wait, kid. You're going to find out.
 Quoting: FierySky


They must prove to the Gov. the need for a rate increase or they risk being thrown out of the insurance pool. They must spend 80 to 85% of revenue taken in on patient care. If they don't hit this mark they must give their customers a rebate. This is all designed to keep costs down.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Name ANYTHING that the government is involved in or invested in that kept cost down?.....GM?......Post Office?.....Amtrak?.......
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I should say im good for now. As things stand today. All of our essential liberties are under fire by the bankster cartel so who knows about tommorow or next year.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6524811


And, who do you think gives them the powe to do what they do???? Hmmmmmm????

Try thinking one or two steps deeper - IF YOU CAN.
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dude wtf are you talking about? If you are talking about consent, then you dont understand my posisition. I dont contract with them and I use lawful money through administrative remedy at law. So I am not giving anyone any power or consent. Hows that for two steps deeper. Btw the condescention is not appreciated.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


You are wrong. It's many more people than you think. Plus, your healthcare costs are about to skyrocket. Just you wait, kid. You're going to find out.
 Quoting: FierySky


They must prove to the Gov. the need for a rate increase or they risk being thrown out of the insurance pool. They must spend 80 to 85% of revenue taken in on patient care. If they don't hit this mark they must give their customers a rebate. This is all designed to keep costs down.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Name ANYTHING that the government is involved in or invested in that kept cost down?.....GM?......Post Office?.....Amtrak?.......
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19001353


Maj payne is a highschooler. He's probably not even 18 yet and can't vote.
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It's really Obamunist care but then what do you expect in the J-e-w-n-i-t-e-d States of America
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
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85% of the population does not have health care LOL if they did this bill would never had been written
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
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85% of the population does not have health care LOL if they did this bill would never had been written
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What if a person chooses to treat themselves at home at their own expense? They are not obligated to pay the tax, morally.
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Yeah, and on TOP of that, 0bama said that if we like our current health care plan we can keep it. OK, I like mine and I want to keep it. But my company is not going to keep it. They aren't going to offer it anymore.

ANd that MORAN Major Payne thinks I'll get a raise when they cancel the insurance because of all the money the company is saving. LOL

Jesus God. What a fucking IDIOT! How do people GET that fucking stupid?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13130909


^^^^THIS^^^^ is what is going to happen with the company I work for (39 years). We've already gotten a thinly veiled advisement of what's going to happen. Anybody that believed that lying sack of commie shit is going to get what they deserve. The sad part is that they're going to take the rest of us down the drain with them. I hope I live long enough to witness the ignorant Obamaites crying in the streets over this.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


It's my understanding that the law (i'm sorry, the TAX) only affects companies bigger than 50 employees.

That drops the percentage even further…
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2257547

I was watching the news the other night. They had a bunch of employers on saying...

"We coule easily employ more then 50 and grow our business, but with the new law, were going to keep our employees under 50. Because to employ 50 or more would cost us to much (Cripple growth)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4227306


This is true. I'm laying off 20% of my people to get below the magic 50.

One of my companies will not have a problem getting below 50, the other is going to be a challenge, but I will find a way to get there. Businesses will always find a way to adapt, and the employees will suffer the most.
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What if a person chooses to treat themselves at home at their own expense? They are not obligated to pay the tax, morally.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Yeah, and on TOP of that, 0bama said that if we like our current health care plan we can keep it. OK, I like mine and I want to keep it. But my company is not going to keep it. They aren't going to offer it anymore.

ANd that MORAN Major Payne thinks I'll get a raise when they cancel the insurance because of all the money the company is saving. LOL

Jesus God. What a fucking IDIOT! How do people GET that fucking stupid?
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^^^^THIS^^^^ is what is going to happen with the company I work for (39 years). We've already gotten a thinly veiled advisement of what's going to happen.
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Yeah, me too. Ugh. Scary times. I honestly don't know what we'll do if 0bama is reelected, or Romney doesn't shut this whole thing down.
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What if a person chooses to treat themselves at home at their own expense? They are not obligated to pay the tax, morally.
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Yeah, and on TOP of that, 0bama said that if we like our current health care plan we can keep it. OK, I like mine and I want to keep it. But my company is not going to keep it. They aren't going to offer it anymore.

ANd that MORAN Major Payne thinks I'll get a raise when they cancel the insurance because of all the money the company is saving. LOL

Jesus God. What a fucking IDIOT! How do people GET that fucking stupid?
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^^^^THIS^^^^ is what is going to happen with the company I work for (39 years). We've already gotten a thinly veiled advisement of what's going to happen.
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Yeah, me too. Ugh. Scary times. I honestly don't know what we'll do if 0bama is reelected, or Romney doesn't shut this whole thing down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19354709


I doubt Romney will do ANYTHING to repeal it. He will say whatever the people want to hear to get elected.

We have the choice between "really bad" and "bad" this election cycle.

It's all a sham anyway.
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What if a person chooses to treat themselves at home at their own expense? They are not obligated to pay the tax, morally.
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Yeah, and on TOP of that, 0bama said that if we like our current health care plan we can keep it. OK, I like mine and I want to keep it. But my company is not going to keep it. They aren't going to offer it anymore.

ANd that MORAN Major Payne thinks I'll get a raise when they cancel the insurance because of all the money the company is saving. LOL

Jesus God. What a fucking IDIOT! How do people GET that fucking stupid?
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^^^^THIS^^^^ is what is going to happen with the company I work for (39 years). We've already gotten a thinly veiled advisement of what's going to happen.
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Yeah, me too. Ugh. Scary times. I honestly don't know what we'll do if 0bama is reelected, or Romney doesn't shut this whole thing down.
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You will have to file for unemployment, like everyone else. I've heard predictions that unemployment will rise by more than 6%! That is on top of all the unemployed workers today. It will be nearly impossible to find a job, and workers will be willing to take less to do the work. It will take 10 years for the economy to recover from Obamacare - if ever.
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Yeah, and on TOP of that, 0bama said that if we like our current health care plan we can keep it. OK, I like mine and I want to keep it. But my company is not going to keep it. They aren't going to offer it anymore.

ANd that MORAN Major Payne thinks I'll get a raise when they cancel the insurance because of all the money the company is saving. LOL

Jesus God. What a fucking IDIOT! How do people GET that fucking stupid?
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^^^^THIS^^^^ is what is going to happen with the company I work for (39 years). We've already gotten a thinly veiled advisement of what's going to happen.
 Quoting: last one


Yeah, me too. Ugh. Scary times. I honestly don't know what we'll do if 0bama is reelected, or Romney doesn't shut this whole thing down.
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I doubt Romney will do ANYTHING to repeal it. He will say whatever the people want to hear to get elected.

We have the choice between "really bad" and "bad" this election cycle.

It's all a sham anyway.
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He may very well not. Either way, I'll still vote against The 0bama.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


And the majority that have insurance get it thru their employer. However, once businesses discover that it's cheaper for them to pay the penalty (I'm not talking about the individual penalty/tax) as opposed to paying to insure their employees then very few businesses will offer health insurance which will force most people to buy coverage in the market. THAT's when things will go to shit and fast.

The price of "health insurance" is going to sky rocket...not to mention lots of other bad effects.
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Ya - like Doctors leaving the country. where will they go? probably china.
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I will get to join Medicaid in 2014 so I'm for it.
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Total BS. I'm dropping the health care I currently offer to my employees with an inter-office memo explaining that it's time for everyone to go find their own insurance. I'm paying the tax - it's cheaper.
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lol yes cheaper.. then after everyone gets insurance to see the doctor that didn't have it .They can finally get that disability they needed for their mental problems, that make them unable to work in a social environment.

9500 to 32000 get screwed into paying money they dont have , while a business of less then 50 gets a free ride?

The employee still has to pay 695.. so why let the business off?
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Nobody will be left working , the doctors might go into revolt mode , by putting everyone on disability.

Sorry sir you are unable to work.Doctors orders .. Here is the ssi form to fill out.
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Ha! Everyone I know is going to refuse to buy Obamacare and try to not pay the IRS penalty. Of course the IRS is all powerful and will garnish wages and other shit but if we all stick together and engage in civil disobedience for a just cause I think it will work itself out.
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I am refusing it too and most (80%) of the people I know are as well.

Fuck em, I have had enough of their "You will do you will not do" bullshit.
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So how to do it? Just not file a tax return? What?
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85% of the population has Health insurance. That means only 15% are effected by this "tax". If you add in the number of people expected to by Health insurance because it will be subsidized that total drops to about 1.5%. Not very many people will be left to revolt.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


It's my understanding that the law (i'm sorry, the TAX) only affects companies bigger than 50 employees.

That drops the percentage even further…
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2257547

I was watching the news the other night. They had a bunch of employers on saying...

"We coule easily employ more then 50 and grow our business, but with the new law, were going to keep our employees under 50. Because to employ 50 or more would cost us to much (Cripple growth)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4227306


This is true. I'm laying off 20% of my people to get below the magic 50.

One of my companies will not have a problem getting below 50, the other is going to be a challenge, but I will find a way to get there. Businesses will always find a way to adapt, and the employees will suffer the most.
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I hope you make an effort to find out who supported this obama bullshit and give them the ax.
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You people still don't understand how Employer based Health Insurance works. If your employer pays you $30,000 dollars a yr and also pays $10,000 in health benefits your effective salary is $40,000. What you don't realize is they get a 66% tax break on that $10,000. That means they get $6,600 of your wages subsidized by tax payers. If they just wanted to save money why offer you health insurance in the first place? It's offered in instead of wage increases. Saying if Obamacare passes I will cancel all of my employees insurance seems kind of stupid. Why wait, just cancel it now. Hell, why not drop everyone down to minimum wage? Sorry but your scare tactics don't add up in the real world.
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there's been a mass tax revolt going on 4 2000 yrs dude, lol

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