"Skyview" Debunked (page 4)! They suggest that TBar and I should die! I show 'em how it's done and take a picture of a REAL KBO!

Wow. It also is showing in color. That's awesome!!!!

nice, why does it disappear?

Because I shot T?

lol

This is NGC 7331, a spiral galaxy.

No,thats' my Pancake I just tossed.

The Galaxy is further to the Left,just passed Lenin.

Morning twilight is setting in, so with that I will be calling it a night. Thank you all for watching!

to see ufos near the moon consistent with the sts tether and others, click the "The moon and saturn" video on that twitch page and jump to 16:14 ! There are others scattered throughout the end

That's the ring nebula.

at 16:17 of the saturn and moon video, i see 3 specific and identical rings as time progresses they go away see for yourself

Yes I know, I was the one who shot it. It's the ring nebula. It appears tripled when I move the scope step-wise during an exposure.

Just a quick update TBar, I'm still working on trying to solve those images for you; I'm currently downloading several gigabytes of index files for the solver to be able to enable it to solve all possible image scales (rather than just the ones I use with my scopes) and either solve the image or completely rule out the possibility that it's a real image to begin with.

Last Edited by Astromut on 07/09/2012 12:51 PM

Thanks for the Update.
I'm not having any luck downloading your Deep space video here [link to www.twitch.tv] All I can get is the first two hours of the six and the Skyview area is not there.

Last Edited by TBar1984 on 07/09/2012 03:48 PM

I ran Astromut's image through Astrometry and it solved in less than half a second. You can download the .kmz file and it will place the image in Google Sky [link to nova.astrometry.net] I don't see anything that's not already in Google Sky, and we know how old Google Sky can be.
Google Sky KMZ [link to nova.astrometry.net]



Last Edited by TBar1984 on 07/10/2012 12:00 AM

Sorry, just saw your post, I guess this means you got the video recording to work? The whole thing is working for me, let me know if you have problems. The index files are downloading, I'm currently extracting them from the compressed archives and then I'll start solving the images from their video.

Well, I had to do an end run to download. The video works at the website, but nothing will download more than the first 2 hours. I used a few tricks and managed to download the relevant parts. I have 34 minutes of the Skyview location, can I put that on my Youtube?

I guess I should have run an image after you moved the scope up, the image I ran is not quite centered on the Skyview location. It's close enough though. I'll wait and see how your solving goes. They released another video...

Absolutely! I think at first it was a little higher than the center of the image, I tried to center it better later on, not sure which part you have, but it's there whatever the case.

Yeah, that's what I was afraid of, but as long as it contains the coordinates that's the important part. I'd be honored to be included whatever the case. I saw in their last video they're doing like "astrolpatriot" and promising live video, like what I do. I guess we'll see, I'd love to challenge them to do a "scope-off" with a simultaneous show each showing the coordinates they give and let some independent observer like you solve the images and see who's really pointed at the coordinates. They'd never let any of that happen though. Anyway, the index files are most of the way done extracting. It's like 12-13 gigabytes of extra data that I downloaded.

Ok, index files are fully extracted and put into place. Did a test solve on the image from me that you extracted, it solved very rapidly.
Field center: (RA H:M:S, Dec D:M:S) = (00:09:26.084, -06:49:44.420)
Now to try it with the images from their video. I'm starting off with the one that was displayed as a "negative" image, I've reversed it back to a normal image and I'm starting the solver now...

Just FYI, I can set the CPU timeout limit to anything I want, right now it's set to 1 hour 40 minutes, but I can extend that indefinitely later if needed. I intend to solve for every detected source in the image (all 705 of them). The web version usually times out before it can go through every single source. I'm also using index files that span the full range of possible fields of view (image scale) all the way from 2 arcminutes wide to 2000 arcminutes wide (33 degrees). Each index is designed to be between 10-100% the size of the field of view it is solving, so for instance the widest index of 33 degrees can solve images up to 330 degrees wide, the index for 2 arcminute wide images can solve images up to 20 arcminutes wide. I also have an index for 11 arcminutes, which goes from 11 up to 110 arcminutes, and so on. There's considerable overlap as well as you can see, so I've got it all covered. If this doesn't solve it, then it's either not a real image, or it's badly distorted and the relative positions of the stars are no longer true to real life.

Meh, I went ahead and gave it the full monty; I changed the setting to allow it to solve for up to something ridiculous like 100 hours. No sense in waiting an hour and a half just to find out I have to start over and give it longer to try every detected source in the image. It shouldn't take anywhere near 100 hours to do that, but if I fall asleep I don't want it to have stopped an hour and a half into it long before I woke up.

It was still solving when I woke up, so I went back and adjusted the levels on the image histogram to clip out all the noise from the image, leaving just the stars. That reduced the detected sources to something like 150 or so, which it can get through in a few hours time. I just went and checked on it and it's halfway done already.

I posted this last night and it's being ignored,
"OK, the video DARK STAR COMETH has two images near the end at times 3:32 & 3:44. Why is it that when those Images are submitted to Astrometry they don't solve? Real Images solve in about a second or less. Your two images time out unsolved. Do you have any Images that will stand up to Astrometry? It would be nice if you did. Anyone can try it, extract the Images and submit them to nova.astrometry.net"
[link to www.youtube.com]

I also ran another image from your video after the scope was adjusted. Their coordinates are pretty close to the center of this image [link to nova.astrometry.net] The KMZ is here [link to nova.astrometry.net]

Last Edited by TBar1984 on 07/10/2012 02:09 PM

Yeah, that's the thing, real images generally solve within the first few stars that it looks at; the pattern would be consistent with some location in the real sky. Even if there are extra dots there from some "planet X and its moons" by the time it's searched 20 or 30 or heck, even 50 stars there should be no question where it is in the sky. Instead it was still searching after including 70-80 stars. It had about another 75 to go. When it runs out then I can absolutely say it's not a real image of stars or was photoshopped/altered/distorted so that the 'stars' don't match the positions of any real stars anywhere in the sky. It should be done when I get home this evening.

I removed some of the color and adjusted the brightness of your video to make it look more like that last image at Astrometry.net. Is there some other reason yours was so red?

Infrared light from the moon; I was using a high contrast filter that cuts out most moonlight, but it basically doesn't filter infrared light at all (and this camera is quite sensitive to infrared light), so that came through as a dull red glow. Later I brightened the image, just to be extra sure that there was nothing dim hiding there (of course there wasn't), and you can see more of the red glow. That's what it was from. When I pointed it directly at the moon, even the moon itself initially had a sort of reddish hue to it, that's why. I later removed the filter and you could see the moon's normal grey color.

Last Edited by Astromut on 07/10/2012 02:32 PM

Infrared...I was hoping you would say something like that...

Here's the telescope video I plan on using in the Final Release. Got that Astrometry done yet...



Last Edited by TBar1984 on 07/10/2012 11:50 PM

It's currently working on sources 101-110, still no match. One "almost-match" based on a few stars, but the software determined it was not a proper fit even based on those stars and kept searching. The coordinates of that "almost fit" are RA: 3hr 37m 47.7s Dec: -73d 15' 25.9" with a pixel scale of 9.45354 arcseconds/pixel. It's not a match though, but that's probably as close to a match as it will get. I'll let you know as soon as it's done. The video looks great, one quick note - the colored dots that don't move are hot pixels in the CCD, the black circles are dust on the CCD. Also, the blueish glow up at the top-right corner is amp glow from the internal electronics of the camera slightly heating that part of the CCD.

Last Edited by Astromut on 07/10/2012 06:14 PM

Oh wait, found one more possibility it hit on earlier in its analysis as I'm pouring over the log of the processing. Coordinates RA: 22hr 40m 40.3s, Dec: +9d 02' 36.3" pixel scale of 1.61783 arcseconds/pixel.