"Skyview" Debunked (page 4)! They suggest that TBar and I should die! I show 'em how it's done and take a picture of a REAL KBO!

I would definitely tune in for this one...

you are way too full of yourself, astro.

Hmm. The thing that has now been proved without a reasonable doubt is that this Skyview is full of baseless claims and rather they are full of it.

Applause to Astro and TBar.

They obviously captured the death star and u and tbar covering it up....lol bwahhahaha jk. Thanks for thr update Astro&tbar keep up the good work.

Heh, it finally happened, they banned my sock. I guess they couldn't hack it when I challenged them to show a new astrometrically-solvable image of a known Kuiper belt object. I'll still take just such an image myself though, if you want to make another video about them you can include it.

I think a lot of people would, but unfortunately this guy is too cowardly to face me or TBar any place where he doesn't have mod powers to silence dissent. I strongly suspect it's just one guy, astrolpatriot, under a different moniker. Astrol used to have exclusive photos from "the skyview team" up on his website just before he went into complete hiding. The style of the videos is quite similar too. If that's the case he'd probably never let his voice be heard for fear his followers would recognize it from his previous chat room sessions as astrolpatriot back in the Elenin days.

You sound jealous. Just saying.

Here's that old video from one of his supporters from 'last' time.

Astrolpatriot, and Skyview Exposed as Hoax. Video made in late October:

[link to www.youtube.com]

Those with truth can stand up and shout the loudest.

Thinking about it, these guys have probably been scamming their paycheck signers for years with this and you calling them out may make them lose their jobs because, hey, "The gig's up, man!"

That can make deceivers pretty upset, and like others, I also oppose deception. :)

Thanks to both of you, Astromut & TBar, for trying to keep people honest!

fixed

Show where I'm "full of shit." Show where I'm wrong on this.

Full retard much ?

"Everybody comes here for their own reasons"? Really? I go by the content of the sites I visit, why are you here?

This isnt a "reality" site

This isnt a "new truth" site

This place is for nuts and whackos like me, not yawn monkeys like you

REALITY is I am right and you are wrong...turn this place into a "FACT BASED REALITY SITE", and you ladies will be very lonely very fast

Wasn't me who changed this.

I don't hink you're full of shit. Just full of yourself.

You're like the church of old. Your empirical way is the only absolute way.

I think you limit yourself to the many possibilities, however improbable they may be, that can and do exist.

I do not think you are wrong in your observations, just unhealthily narrow.

Do you realize that you're not replying to me, you're replying to acid trip? I also believe Acid Trip was fully aware of who changed it.


I don't think you know me well enough to pass any of those judgements on me.

Just because you find reality too boring and prefer to live in a fantasy world doesn't mean the rest of us do. A lot of people are very interested in the GLP telescope project, and guess what? That's based in reality, it shows you what's really up there. Some here find exploring REAL space plenty exciting enough.

I back Astromuts statement above.

I'd prefer to know the truth than a fantasy created by someone trying to gain by fraud from others.

It still amazes be that some people prefer to be fed Bullshit. You can show them 100% proof they are being played the fool, and yet they want more.
Truly amazing to me.

Incredible, isn't it? In any case, I've acquired an image of the Kuiper belt object Makemake. I'm going to PM you the link to the solved image, but please re-solve it under your account so it doesn't show them my name. If you click the file name in the top right corner you can download the unsolved jpg file. Makemake is the small dot in the dead center of the image. If you open the KMZ file and tell it to go to the image and just zoom straight in, it will zoom right into Makemake (and of course if you compare it to the background you'll see there's nothing in the preexisting sky survey image at that position).

Last Edited by Astromut on 07/12/2012 09:19 PM

Animation showing Makemake. One frame contains Makemake and is my image, the other is an image from the Palomar Sky Survey of the same coordinates, which shows the same stars but Makemake was not there at that time (which is why astrometry can be used to find the date any given image was taken as long as it contains a solar system object like this).
[link to i319.photobucket.com]

You can't fool me, that's a blinking UFO !!!.

....and you named it, All hail Astromuts, UFO NAMER OF THE GODS !!!

I'm starting a Astromuts Cult now

Here it is, the Dwarf Planet Makemake 2005 FY9 [link to nova.astrometry.net]
Makemake (dwarf planet): [link to en.wikipedia.org]

I just realized how easy this would make searching for new objects. Just upload your image to Astrometry.net, load the KMZ file into Google Sky, then slide the slider back and forth and see what disappears. Too cool, there has to be something wrong with that scenario, it's too easy.



Last Edited by TBar1984 on 07/12/2012 10:43 PM

No amount of logic or proof will convince small minded people otherwise once they have made the investment in "believing" shit like skyview team.

Actually, that is one way to do it.

All that time I spent looking at the images and comparing them to Starry Night Pro

What do you want do do with this? I ran the Observer Ephemeris and from Nerpio this image would have been made around 2200 UT Today.
[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

Quite right. 21:36-21:46 to be exact.

I don't know how to you want to attack it, I was just thinking a short video recapping their latest hissy fit, making sure to point out that astrometry.net can solve images from every area of the sky. The index files it compares against have complete sky coverage, the more massive index files for small image scales (narrow field images) are split up into 12 segments that piece together to form the complete sky (the index files for widefield images are in single pieces that cover the entire sky at once). Here's an image showing the breakup of the larger index files:
[link to trac.astrometry.net]
The index files themselves are derived from the USNO-B catalogue of stars, but it can also be adapted to use the Tycho2 catalog or indeed any FITS binary table with RA and DEC. The bottom line is that it doesn't use Flickr as the database as skyview claimed, they just provide their services for flickr users.

You can mention they also tried to say that we weren't able to see into the kuiper belt, then hit them with our image of Makemake and say we asked them to take an image of a known kuiper belt object like this one that could be astrometrically solved, but so far they haven't shown any real KBOs like this. Mention of course that the coordinates show that it was taken today and that it is solvable astrometrically.

Last Edited by Astromut on 07/12/2012 11:58 PM

Wow. This is priceless. That latest vid they made is ludecrous nonsense and they have people on there calling people "haters" for proving their nonsense wrong. It's hilarious! Thanks TBAR and Astromut!

Ok, I'll do some more research on it. Maybe tomorrow I can get something out. For those that have trouble with JPL Horizons, this is the output;
Current Settings
Ephemeris Type [change] : OBSERVER
Target Body [change] : Asteroid 136472 Makemake (2005 FY9)
Observer Location [change] : RAS Observatory, Nerpio [I89] ( 357°40'26.0''E, 38°09'55.0''N, 1636.6 m )
Time Span [change] : Start=2012-07-12 18:00 ut, Stop=2012-07-13, Step=30 m
Table Settings [change] : defaults
Display/Output [change] : default (formatted HTML)

Date__(UT)__HR:MN R.A._(ICRF/J2000.0)_DEC APmag delta deldot S-O-T /r S-T-O
*************************************************************​******************************************
$$SOE
2012-Jul-12 18:00 * 12 37 34.89 +27 13 41.3 16.92 52.6242003734727 23.7590746 69.2532 /T 1.0430
2012-Jul-12 18:30 * 12 37 34.91 +27 13 40.4 16.92 52.6244864792093 23.7971974 69.2363 /T 1.0429
2012-Jul-12 19:00 * 12 37 34.94 +27 13 39.5 16.92 52.6247730346628 23.8337090 69.2194 /T 1.0428
2012-Jul-12 19:30 * 12 37 34.97 +27 13 38.6 16.92 52.6250600162659 23.8679201 69.2025 /T 1.0426
2012-Jul-12 20:00 C 12 37 35.00 +27 13 37.7 16.92 52.6253473923872 23.8991814 69.1855 /T 1.0425
2012-Jul-12 20:30 N 12 37 35.03 +27 13 36.8 16.92 52.6256351238745 23.9268940 69.1685 /T 1.0424
2012-Jul-12 21:00 A 12 37 35.05 +27 13 35.9 16.92 52.6259231647279 23.9505202 69.1514 /T 1.0423
2012-Jul-12 21:30 12 37 35.08 +27 13 35.1 16.92 52.6262114628904 23.9695923 69.1344 /T 1.0422
2012-Jul-12 22:00 12 37 35.11 +27 13 34.2 16.92 52.6264999611429 23.9837212 69.1173 /T 1.0421
2012-Jul-12 22:30 12 37 35.14 +27 13 33.3 16.92 52.6267885980878 23.9926024 69.1002 /T 1.0420
2012-Jul-12 23:00 12 37 35.17 +27 13 32.4 16.92 52.6270773092049 23.9960221 69.0831 /T 1.0419
2012-Jul-12 23:30 12 37 35.20 +27 13 31.5 16.92 52.6273660279605 23.9938600 69.0660 /T 1.0418
2012-Jul-13 00:00 12 37 35.23 +27 13 30.6 16.92 52.6276546869515 23.9860921 69.0488 /T 1.0417
$$EOE

Enter the positions into Google Sky and see which one comes closest to the Makemake blob.

Last Edited by TBar1984 on 07/13/2012 01:09 AM

My pleasure! I forgot to mention, they botched up the equation for orbital velocity towards the end; they give a unitless mass which makes no sense (not the first time they've done that, I guess it's supposed to be Jupiter masses?), a semi-major axis of 42.5 AUs which suggests an orbital period of approximately 277 years or so (damn, this thing passes by all the time apparently, and no one notices?), then they list the formula for orbital velocity of a circular orbit, which this is clearly not according to the figure they drew... They also state the mass figure in the formula is the mass of the KBO... which would mean the formula is actually the formula for the velocity of a satellite in a circular orbit around the KBO given an orbital distance of r, not the orbital velocity of the KBO itself relative to our solar system. It's tarded to the extreme.

Last Edited by Astromut on 07/13/2012 12:50 AM