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*Watchers* July 15th is a DAY to WATCH for RAPTURE and JUDGEMENT on EARTH

 
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I felt the date while getting inspired to write a fiction!

however it is july 15th 2013! not 2012! and it talked about total and utter destruction of economy!

Money based sytem all crumbles! Gold and Silver as well!
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"MUST READ!! Love Story in the Sky!! 7 of 8 steps completed since February 25, 2012!! Next step is the Rapture!!"


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Dear Doves,



This article is an absolute MUST READ!!



A Love Story, OUR Love Story, is being written in the sky by our Groom as we speak!! 7 of 8 steps in the Jewish Wedding Tradition have now been symbolically completed in the sky above us since February 25, 2012. The 8th and Final Step will be our Rapture, our marriage to the Ultimate Groom.



PLEASE, take the time to read the below to see the exciting details. Scripture is always the best place to start. Using the rule of “First Mention” in the Bible, the following is what God tells us to do with the stars, planets, Sun and the Moon:



Genesis 1:14 reads as follows: “And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years”. This “command” to study the sky for signs is repeated MANY times in the New Testament!!



In our Jewish Wedding Tradition “Love Story”, there will be four specific “characters” in the sky, each with their own specific purpose. I will first outline who they are and their role and then I will elaborate on each below:



- Venus as the Morning Star, our Groom (Jesus)!!



- Sun as the Father of the Groom (God)



- Jupiter as the Father of the Bride (the Holy Spirit)



- Moon as the Bride (the True Church)



Before moving on, please take an extra moment to re-read the above list and REALLY let the “characters” absorb in your mind before I explain why each “character” makes perfect sense. I find that it is usually better when one pre-visualizes there own reasons for such symbolism, which may add to those I listed below (or simply perhaps confirm the list below).


Venus as the Morning Star, our Groom (Jesus)



Jesus refers to Himself as the morning star (while it is also true that Satan had been called the morning star, as per Isaiah, Isaiah explains that this title no longer applied to Satan after he fell):



Revelation 22:16 reads as follows: “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.”



This specific mention of Jesus as the morning star, Venus, in the Bible, has meant that, when something occurs with Venus, I sit up and take notice. This “characterization” was so important an observation that this formed a part of His very last words in the Bible. The very last chapter of the very last book to be specific!!



Sun as the Father of the Groom (God)



The Sun is often referred to as representing God the Father. It is so bright that one cannot stare at it without losing their sight. In comparison, God told Moses that looking on His full glory would cause instant death.

No life on this planet would exist without the Sun, just like it wouldn’t exist without God (sorry evolutionists). The Sun supplies us with all of our energy. When we burn wood, we are burning stored sunlight. When we start our cars, we are burning stored sunlight.

The power of the Sun is beyond comprehension. Similarly, the awesome power of its creator, GOD, the Father of the Groom, is also beyond comprehension!!



Jupiter as the Father of the Bride (the Holy Spirit)



Jupiter is known as the God planet due to being the biggest of all the planets. Its size completely dwarfs the earths. It is also one of the most visible of the planets from earth, easily visible with the naked eye. However, this planet also serves another purpose. Scientists have noticed that it frequently intercepts hurtling objects from space that could have later impacted the earth and destroyed all life, thereby protecting all of us. This protection from flying debris is due to its immense gravity from its massive size, attracting these rogue objects like metal to a magnet. In other words, similar to the Holy Spirit, Jupiter serves as our quiet, but extremely powerful, protector!!



Since the Sun already represents the Father of the Groom (God) and Venus already represents the Groom (Jesus), it would make sense to “characterize” the second biggest object in our solar system as the Father of the Bride (the Holy Spirit). As outlined above, the similarities are stunning.



But there is another similarity that makes the Holy Spirit similar to “the Father of the Bride”!! Notice that, in the New Testament, we are considered the Bride of Christ. However, He hasn’t sent for us yet and we are still waiting to go to our new home, travelling eagerly away from our “birth home, earth”. In Jewish Tradition, the Father of the Bride continues to look after his daughter until the Groom calls for her. In a direct analogy, the Father of the Bride was literally sent to us at the first Pentecost after Christ died to do just that!! The Holy Spirit has been looking after us ever since, just like a loving and doting Father of the Bride would take great pride in doing for His Daughter. Again, this fits perfectly!!



Moon as the Bride (the True Church)



Like the Moon, we are a large part of the operation and sustainability of the earth!! AND YET, the earth is not AT ALL our home. Instead, we are visitors here on earth, but yet linked to the earth, waiting to be called to our eternal and true home with our precious Groom, Jesus!!



Like the Moon reflects the glory of the Sun, we the Bride merely reflect the glory of the Trinity, and Jesus in particular. Some reflect the Lord’s grace to a great extent (Full Moon), while some barely reflect His grace at all (New Moon), but yet we still share our salvation through the Only One Who Saves via Grace thru Faith alone.



Again, before moving on, please take another few extra moment to REALLY let the above “characters” absorb in your mind. The Jewish Wedding Tradition events that are about to unfold below depend on you understanding the precise roles each of these four “characters” will play (and symbolize)!!



COMPARISON TO JEWISH WEDDING TRADITION



During the course of this article, I will outline various quotes from the following Jewish source to show the strict adherence these celestial events as outlined below are being used to perfectly symbolize Jewish Wedding Tradition. Quotes from the following article will later be shown in black font:



[link to www.bje.org.au]



Now, let us look to see what the sky is specifically telling us (as we are instructed to do in the Bible). However, before we do, it is important to emphasize that this analysis is Bible-based Astronomy, which has EVERYTHING to do with God!! This is NOT Astrology, which has NOTHING to do with God and is an abomination to God:

Step 1 of 8: February 25, 2012 - The Groom meets with the Father of the Bride and the Bride, wherein all three parties agree to a marriage “in principle”



CELESTIAL EVENT: [link to en.wikipedia.org]



CELESTIAL DESCRIPTION (from above link): “The 2012 Venus Jupiter Moon conjunction was an astrological conjunction that occurred on February 25, 2012 between the Moon, Venus and Jupiter, forming a triple conjunction. It was observed in the western sky at sunset globally.”



APPLICABLE SYMBOLIC CHARACTERS INVOLVED: Moon = the Bride, Venus = the Groom, Jupiter = the Father of the Bride



INTERPRETATION: The Groom meets with both the Father of the Bride and the Bride at the same time to meet for compatibility. Eventually, after meeting, all parties present mutually agree to a marriage “in principle”. In Jewish Tradition, the Bride is able to reject the proposal at this point. Obviously, we, the Bride, whole heartedly accept the Lord’s marriage proposal.



From Jewish article: “The very first stage of a traditional Jewish marriage is the shidduch, or matchmaking. In this manner, the process of finding a partner is not haphazard or based on purely external aspects. Rather, a close friend or relative of the young man or woman, who knows someone that they feel may be a compatible partner, suggests that they meet. The purpose of the meeting is for the prospective bride and groom to determine if they are indeed compatible”



Step 2 of 8: March 13, 2012 - The Groom once again meets with the Father of the Bride, this time to finalize the marriage contract



CELESTIAL EVENT: [link to en.wikipedia.org]



CELESTIAL DESCRIPTION (from above link): “On March 13, 2012, Venus and Jupiter reentered conjunction and 5 celestial signs were observable, all around sunset local time, globally.”



APPLICABLE SYMBOLIC CHARACTERS INVOLVED: Venus = the Groom, Jupiter = the Father of the Bride, 5 other celestial signs = small reception



INTERPRETATION: With all parties present agreeing to the marriage “in principle” on February 25, 2012, the Bride leaves it to the Groom and her Father to discuss specifics of the marriage contract. To do this, the Groom meets once again with the Father of the Bride (“reentered conjunction”), but this time without the Bride, and the marriage contract is formalized and signed. We, the Bride, are now officially betrothed to Jesus in marriage (getting excited yet?). A small reception is then gathered together in order announce the occasion, which is, amazingly, perfectly represented in the skies by the outstanding and noteworthy presence of “5 celestial signs being observable” at the EXACT same time (known in Yiddish as a vort)!!



From Jewish article: “When the families have met, and the young couple has decided to marry, the families usually announce the occasion with a small reception, known in Yiddish as a vort. Some families sign a contract, the tenaim (conditions) that delineates the obligations of each side regarding the wedding and setting its final date. The tenaim symbolise the groom’s commitment to fulfil the promise to marry his bride. They are just as binding as the marriage contract itself, so they are usually signed before the ceremony.”



Step 3 of 8: May 20, 2012 - The Father of the Groom ensures all is prepared to His satisfaction before telling His Son to “go get His Bride”



CELESTIAL EVENT: [link to en.wikipedia.org]



CELESTIAL DESCRIPTION (from above link): “An annular solar eclipse took place on May 20, 2012 with a magnitude of 0.9439. An annular solar eclipse occurs when the Moon's apparent diameter is smaller than the Sun, causing the Sun to look like a ring, blocking most of the Sun's light. An annular eclipse appears as a partial eclipse over a region thousands of kilometres wide. This is also known as Ring of Fire.”



APPLICABLE SYMBOLIC CHARACTERS INVOLVED: Moon = the Bride, Sun = the Father of the Groom (our Father-“in-Law”)



INTERPRETATION: The Father of the Groom ensures that all is prepared to His satisfaction before He tells His Son to “go get His Bride”. In Jewish tradition, the father makes sure all preparations are complete and adequate before “giving the order”!! One of the things He does is to make sure the Bride is fully prepared and ready to marry His Son. She meets with the Father of the Groom’s expectations!! How does the Groom find out? The shining ring in the sky on May 20th symbolically tells the Son that all went well and the He will soon give permission for Him to call His Bride!!



ADDITIONAL INTERPRETATION: A ring of commitment is a major event in any Bride’s life, signifying in a material way to the world that she is committing herself to one man. This is also particularly important in Jewish Marriage Tradition. According to Jewish tradition, this wedding / betrothal ring should be of great worth, reflecting just how much the Groom values His Bride. THIS IS JUST TOO PERFECT!! Given that the Sun and the Moon are both absolutely vital to life continuing on earth, there is nothing more valuable to the world than the Sun and the Moon!! In other words, the “Ring of Fire”, our Wedding Ring, symbolizes a ring of infinite value.



Step 4 of 8: June 4, 2012 - The Father of the Groom sends out a final invitation to His Chosen Guests



CELESTIAL EVENT: [link to en.wikipedia.org]



CELESTIAL DESCRIPTION (from above link): “A partial lunar eclipse took place on June 4, 2012. The moon was about one third covered by the Earth's northern umbral shadow at maximum eclipse. The portion of the moon inside the umbral shadow was illuminated by sunlight refracted through the Earth's atmosphere, thus much dimmer, and having a reddish hue.”



APPLICABLE SYMBOLIC CHARACTERS INVOLVED: Moon = the Bride, Sun = the Father of the Groom, Earth = His Chosen Guests, the jewish people



INTERPRETATION: The Father of the Groom makes one last appeal to the jewish people to come to the ceremony. His invitation is rejected, just like His Son had been rejected by the jewish people all those centuries ago. However, 1/3rd will later change their mind, which is in the Biblical description that only 1/3rd of the jewish people will heed the warning of the Lord about the coming wrath of the Anti-Christ and to flee to safety in the wilderness (Petra), away from the Anti-Christ’s grip of terror. That fact that this was a lunar eclipse is perfectly appropriate as lunar eclipses are considered to be specific warnings to the jewish people, whereas solar eclipses are considered to be specific warnings for the Gentiles. However, not only was this event a Lunar Eclipse, but it was also a “1/3rd” Lunar Eclipse, again a PERFECT SYMBOL of what is about to occur in Israel!!



Step 5 of 8: June 5-6, 2012 - The Father of the Groom finally tells His Son it is time to go get His Bride



CELESTIAL EVENT: [link to en.wikipedia.org]



CELESTIAL DESCRIPTION (from above link): “The 2012 Transit of Venus, when the planet Venus appeared as a small, dark disk moving across the face of the Sun, began at 22:09 UTC on 5 June 2012, and finished at 04:49 UTC on 6 June.”



APPLICABLE SYMBOLIC CHARACTERS INVOLVED: Sun = the Father of the Groom, Venus = the Groom



INTERPRETATION: Ensuring that everything for the upcoming marriage of His Son is absolutely perfect, the Father of the Groom tells His Son to leave His right side and get His Bride. From the “Sun’s perspective”, that is EXACTLY what happened that day (it travelled from the Sun’s right side to its left side)!! Notice that this event is also exactly 21 days inclusive to June 25th / 26th; wherein this is a similar time span to the last war in heaven mentioned in the Book of Daniel (more on June 25th later)!! However, there is a LOT more to this and it has all been previously described in great detail in the following article:

[link to www.bad] goose/letters/june2012/mathman612-1.htm



Step 6 of 8: June 17, 2012 - The Groom is seen approaching the Bride and the Father of the Groom from a distance



CELESTIAL EVENT: [link to earthsky.org]

CELESTIAL DESCRIPTION (from above link): “Moon and Jupiter close together before sunrise June 17”


APPLICABLE SYMBOLIC CHARACTERS INVOLVED: Moon = the Bride, Jupiter = the Father of the Bride, Venus = the Groom



INTERPRETATION: While the Father of the Bride is standing with His Daughter, the Groom approaches them from a short distance away. Both the Groom and the Bride feel great excitement as they know their day will soon arrive!!

Step 7 of 8: June 18, 2012 - The Bride visits the Groom for the last time before the actual wedding ceremony while her Father supervises the meeting



CELESTIAL EVENT: [link to earthsky.org]

CELESTIAL DESCRIPTION (from above link): “Moon, Venus below Jupiter before sunrise June 18”


APPLICABLE SYMBOLIC CHARACTERS INVOLVED: Moon = the Bride, Jupiter = the Father of the Bride, Venus = the Groom



INTERPRETATION: The Bride visits the Groom for the last time before the actual wedding ceremony while her Father supervises the meeting. According to Jewish Tradition, this will be the last time the Bride sees her Groom prior to the actual wedding. However, as is also strict Jewish tradition, she is still closely supervised by her Father during the meeting!!

Step 8 of 8: ???? – Soon after, the Groom comes back, announcing His arrival with a Trumpet Blast, signaling that He has come to finally marry us, His Bride, in the Rapture!!



The first seven steps illustrated above shows us just how soon it will be before the Groom finally has the Trumpet Player call for us, His Bride, to meet Him in the sky for our final journey home to be married!! FINALLY, we will be able to leave this temporary home in order to be married to the One we have so longed to be with.



In other words: The Rapture is the very next, eighth and final step!! Interestingly, eight is the number of New Beginnings, and WHAT A NEW BEGINNING IT WILL BE!!



BUT WAIT, THERE’S EVEN MORE…



ADDITIONAL IMPORTANT OBSERVATIONS SHOWING INCREDIBLE ADHERENCE TO THE JEWISH TRADITION



There are still some other IMPORTANT SYMBOLIC SIMILARITIES to the Jewish Marriage Process that were strictly followed in the above symbolism in the sky that you simply must read about:



From Jewish article: “According to Jewish law, physical contact is not allowed between a man and a woman until they are married (except for certain close relatives), and they may not be alone together in a closed room or secluded area. This helps to ensure that one’s choice of partner will be based on intellect and emotion and not on physical desire alone.”



Did you notice, in all of the above seven steps completed above, that Venus, representing the “man”, and the Moon, representing the “woman”, were NEVER alone together without Jupiter, the “father of the woman”, being ever present?? How awesome is that?



From Jewish article: “Prior to the wedding day, the bride is required to visit the mikveh, the ritual bath, and immerse herself, to ensure a purified spiritual state as she prepares herself for married life. The bride must show proof of having visited the mikveh before she is eligible to sign the marriage contract.”



Only those who have washed themselves in the blood of Christ and accepted His Sacrifice for our sins will be considered a part of the Bride, our debt completely paid in full by our Groom, making us completely eligible with proof of being able to sign the marriage contract!! If you haven’t already, please make sure this vital step has been completed NOW!!! It is almost too late to avoid the Great Tribulation!! Once the Rapture occurs, you are stuck for another 1260+ days of incredible despair and persecution (however, chances are you will be beheaded WAY before making it even close to that long – just make sure you never take the Mark of the Beast)!!



From Jewish article: “One week before the wedding the bride and groom, the chatan and kallah stop seeing each other in order to enhance the joy of their wedding through their separation.”



THIS IS THE MOST EXCITING PART OF THIS WHOLE ARTICLE!!! Did you notice in Step 7 that Venus, representing the Groom, and the Moon, representing the Bride, are very close to each other for one last meeting, but yet still under complete supervision from Jupiter, representing the Father of the Bride? Could this symbolically represent the VERY LAST MEETING before the one week separation as is customary in Jewish Wedding Tradition!! That is, was the June 18th meeting symbolic of our very final meeting with the Groom prior to us being reunited with Him forever and ever in our wedding to the Lord Himself? If so, did you notice that one week from June 18th is just around the corner? And, IF SO, under Jewish Tradition, it is up to you to make yourself ready to be the proper Bride, ready to receive her Groom in marriage!!!! Are you absolutely SURE you are ready? You had better make sure!!



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SIDE NOTE: IF June 25th turns out to be “our wedding day”, look who “just happens” to be visiting Israel on that exact same day (Putin’s very first visit to Israel in SEVEN YEARS!!). Certainly not a pleasant start to those left behind, especially the jewish people, ESPECIALLY given the HUGE role Russia will play in end-time prophecy as outlined Ezekiel 38 / 39!!



[link to www.panarmenian.net]



FINAL APPEAL: I normally would never ask this of you all, but IF you found the above inspiring and ONLY IF you feel inspired to do so, please write in to Five Doves with your thoughts AND a link to this article. The more this article is referred to and linked, the great the chances of those later left behind coming across this article and being able to understand God’s Ultimate Control!!



Seriously, this couldn't be written any better for us if we had wanted it to. MARANATHA!! Surely our redemption draws EXTREMELY near!! The SKY SCREAMS THAT IT IS SOON!!!!!!



YbiC, MathMan
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This too will be added to the DECADES LONG FAIL THREAD.

How many TIMES have wee seen this sort of post..with signs and numbers and planets and CRAP..only to have it FAIL again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again???
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This is not a prediction, Just a high watch date. add it to your list if you want.
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Great Thread OP
I have been watching this date for a while now. This is new info to meditate on. Thankshf
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Thanks!

I am Watching with you!

To GOD be the Glory!
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Have you read MathMan's "Love Story in the Sky!! 7 of 8 steps completed since February 25, 2012!! Next step is the Rapture!!"
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The 8th step to me looks like July 15th
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Can you link it here...I can't seem to find it. I tried!
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Yep t i thought about that reading this one
Chill - Enjoy - Relax
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This is not a prediction, Just a high watch date. add it to your list if you want.
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I will be.

Gauranteed...along with the hundreds of others posts ALL EXACTLY THE SAME..except different years.

I was raised a christian..I HAVE SEEN IT ALL..and could pick it to peices USING a bible..but I wont.

the FAIL speaks for itself.
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This is not a prediction, Just a high watch date. add it to your list if you want.
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I will be.

Gauranteed...along with the hundreds of others posts ALL EXACTLY THE SAME..except different years.

I was raised a christian..I HAVE SEEN IT ALL..and could pick it to peices USING a bible..but I wont.

the FAIL speaks for itself.
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Why do you care so much? Seriously!!! I just checked your history and it appears you seek out threads like this so that you can spew your venom. No one asked you to read this thread. There are tons of threads that I don't agree with but I don't seek them out so that I can comment at nauseum.
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This is not a prediction, Just a high watch date. add it to your list if you want.
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I will be.

Gauranteed...along with the hundreds of others posts ALL EXACTLY THE SAME..except different years.

I was raised a christian..I HAVE SEEN IT ALL..and could pick it to peices USING a bible..but I wont.

the FAIL speaks for itself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17345700


Why do you care so much? Seriously!!! I just checked your history and it appears you seek out threads like this so that you can spew your venom. No one asked you to read this thread. There are tons of threads that I don't agree with but I don't seek them out so that I can comment at nauseum.
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I was RAISED a christian..been to hundreds of churches and read all the books and heard all the sermons.

There came a time in my life when I realised it was all UTTER BULLSHIT and that christians for the MOST part are far more evil and selfish than the world THEY condemn.

I know..I used to be the same..but not now.

I will spend the rest of my days EXPOSING THEIR LIES and HYPOCRISY..that seems to be my calling now..

BTW..I have not ditched the baby with the bathwater.

But I sure cant stand the bathwater anylonger.
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This is not a prediction, Just a high watch date. add it to your list if you want.
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I will be.

Gauranteed...along with the hundreds of others posts ALL EXACTLY THE SAME..except different years.

I was raised a christian..I HAVE SEEN IT ALL..and could pick it to peices USING a bible..but I wont.

the FAIL speaks for itself.
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Pray nothing but peace for you bro

knowing the Bible means little

Satan knows it well

peace in your heart that only comes from Christ

that is the only issue that counts
Chill - Enjoy - Relax
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This is not a prediction, Just a high watch date. add it to your list if you want.
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I will be.

Gauranteed...along with the hundreds of others posts ALL EXACTLY THE SAME..except different years.

I was raised a christian..I HAVE SEEN IT ALL..and could pick it to peices USING a bible..but I wont.

the FAIL speaks for itself.
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Pray nothing but peace for you bro

knowing the Bible means little

Satan knows it well

peace in your heart that only comes from Christ

that is the only issue that counts
 Quoting: Ice


Wait a minute ICE..in every thread you wrote you always EMPHASISED how knowing the bible was so IMPORTANT and that those who DIDNT know it were so doomed..

And NOW you turn around and say it means LITTLE?

I wish you would make up your mind.
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This is not a prediction, Just a high watch date. add it to your list if you want.
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I will be.

Gauranteed...along with the hundreds of others posts ALL EXACTLY THE SAME..except different years.

I was raised a christian..I HAVE SEEN IT ALL..and could pick it to peices USING a bible..but I wont.

the FAIL speaks for itself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17345700


Pray nothing but peace for you bro

knowing the Bible means little

Satan knows it well

peace in your heart that only comes from Christ

that is the only issue that counts
 Quoting: Ice


Wait a minute ICE..in every thread you wrote you always EMPHASISED how knowing the bible was so IMPORTANT and that those who DIDNT know it were so doomed..

And NOW you turn around and say it means LITTLE?

I wish you would make up your mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17345700


You are twisting Ice's words.
He meant that Head knowledge is not the same as knowing the author.
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^^^^^^^^^
Again ?
This rupture business must be a monthly occurance. It hasn't happened the last few thousand times that it's been announced. Hope this one works for ya.
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This is not a prediction, Just a high watch date. add it to your list if you want.
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I will be.

Gauranteed...along with the hundreds of others posts ALL EXACTLY THE SAME..except different years.

I was raised a christian..I HAVE SEEN IT ALL..and could pick it to peices USING a bible..but I wont.

the FAIL speaks for itself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17345700


Why do you care so much? Seriously!!! I just checked your history and it appears you seek out threads like this so that you can spew your venom. No one asked you to read this thread. There are tons of threads that I don't agree with but I don't seek them out so that I can comment at nauseum.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1464459


I was RAISED a christian..been to hundreds of churches and read all the books and heard all the sermons.

There came a time in my life when I realised it was all UTTER BULLSHIT and that christians for the MOST part are far more evil and selfish than the world THEY condemn.

I know..I used to be the same..but not now.

I will spend the rest of my days EXPOSING THEIR LIES and HYPOCRISY..that seems to be my calling now..

BTW..I have not ditched the baby with the bathwater.

But I sure cant stand the bathwater anylonger.
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No one pays attention to you..Your like the Child in the back of the room talking incessiantly, while other's are doing there work, ignoring your rants...

Go do something useful, like mowing your lawn or the neighbor's.
Susie

For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.....Matthew 6:21
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I will be.

Gauranteed...along with the hundreds of others posts ALL EXACTLY THE SAME..except different years.

I was raised a christian..I HAVE SEEN IT ALL..and could pick it to peices USING a bible..but I wont.

the FAIL speaks for itself.
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Pray nothing but peace for you bro

knowing the Bible means little

Satan knows it well

peace in your heart that only comes from Christ

that is the only issue that counts
 Quoting: Ice


Wait a minute ICE..in every thread you wrote you always EMPHASISED how knowing the bible was so IMPORTANT and that those who DIDNT know it were so doomed..

And NOW you turn around and say it means LITTLE?

I wish you would make up your mind.
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You are twisting Ice's words.
He meant that Head knowledge is not the same as knowing the author.
 Quoting: Intruth

the heart first

for those seeking they need the words of Christ


it comes down to Satan vs Christ for you soul and mine


dates mean nothing but peace the rapture means nothing

compared to the heart condition of all
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Pray nothing but peace for you bro

knowing the Bible means little

Satan knows it well

peace in your heart that only comes from Christ

that is the only issue that counts
 Quoting: Ice


Wait a minute ICE..in every thread you wrote you always EMPHASISED how knowing the bible was so IMPORTANT and that those who DIDNT know it were so doomed..

And NOW you turn around and say it means LITTLE?

I wish you would make up your mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17345700


You are twisting Ice's words.
He meant that Head knowledge is not the same as knowing the author.
 Quoting: Intruth

the heart first

for those seeking they need the words of Christ


it comes down to Satan vs Christ for you soul and mine


dates mean nothing but peace the rapture means nothing

compared to the heart condition of all
 Quoting: Ice


THATS better.

You finally said something TRUE without putting any arrogance or threats of burning alive forever into the mix.

Perhaps..you might be waking up after all.

Not long ago you would NEVER have said something like that.
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I will be.

Gauranteed...along with the hundreds of others posts ALL EXACTLY THE SAME..except different years.

I was raised a christian..I HAVE SEEN IT ALL..and could pick it to peices USING a bible..but I wont.

the FAIL speaks for itself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17345700


Why do you care so much? Seriously!!! I just checked your history and it appears you seek out threads like this so that you can spew your venom. No one asked you to read this thread. There are tons of threads that I don't agree with but I don't seek them out so that I can comment at nauseum.
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I was RAISED a christian..been to hundreds of churches and read all the books and heard all the sermons.

There came a time in my life when I realised it was all UTTER BULLSHIT and that christians for the MOST part are far more evil and selfish than the world THEY condemn.

I know..I used to be the same..but not now.

I will spend the rest of my days EXPOSING THEIR LIES and HYPOCRISY..that seems to be my calling now..

BTW..I have not ditched the baby with the bathwater.

But I sure cant stand the bathwater anylonger.
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No one pays attention to you..Your like the Child in the back of the room talking incessiantly, while other's are doing there work, ignoring your rants...

Go do something useful, like mowing your lawn or the neighbor's.
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ICE USED to be the king of arrogance and insulting PRIDE.

Seems you have take over that position while ICE going by his last reply seems to be LEARNING at last what LOVE IS.
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Pray nothing but peace for you bro

knowing the Bible means little

Satan knows it well

peace in your heart that only comes from Christ

that is the only issue that counts
 Quoting: Ice


Wait a minute ICE..in every thread you wrote you always EMPHASISED how knowing the bible was so IMPORTANT and that those who DIDNT know it were so doomed..

And NOW you turn around and say it means LITTLE?

I wish you would make up your mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17345700


You are twisting Ice's words.
He meant that Head knowledge is not the same as knowing the author.
 Quoting: Intruth

the heart first

for those seeking they need the words of Christ


it comes down to Satan vs Christ for you soul and mine


dates mean nothing but peace the rapture means nothing

compared to the heart condition of all
 Quoting: Ice


ICE,

You might be interested in this:



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every day is a day to expectantly watch for the Lord's return for His bride :-)

He will come for those of us who are alive and remain when the full number have come into His body of believers :-)

at a time we do not expect!

Thread: The Bible is a marriage contract

as in any day now, maybe even today. putting off His return takes away imminency

love rb
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Why do you care so much? Seriously!!! I just checked your history and it appears you seek out threads like this so that you can spew your venom. No one asked you to read this thread. There are tons of threads that I don't agree with but I don't seek them out so that I can comment at nauseum.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1464459


I was RAISED a christian..been to hundreds of churches and read all the books and heard all the sermons.

There came a time in my life when I realised it was all UTTER BULLSHIT and that christians for the MOST part are far more evil and selfish than the world THEY condemn.

I know..I used to be the same..but not now.

I will spend the rest of my days EXPOSING THEIR LIES and HYPOCRISY..that seems to be my calling now..

BTW..I have not ditched the baby with the bathwater.

But I sure cant stand the bathwater anylonger.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17345700


No one pays attention to you..Your like the Child in the back of the room talking incessiantly, while other's are doing there work, ignoring your rants...

Go do something useful, like mowing your lawn or the neighbor's.
 Quoting: christian


ICE USED to be the king of arrogance and insulting PRIDE.

Seems you have take over that position while ICE going by his last reply seems to be LEARNING at last what LOVE IS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18167758


I never thought ICE was full of Pride and Arrogance..That is what GAY Parades are...They even say they have PRIDE.

You on the other hand you are annoying and mocking people, you have sown what you are now reaping...

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The hate toward.Christ and the Bible is amazing
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Its not hate towards christ or the bible.

Its nothing to do with that really.

Its hate towards IDIOTS who say "God told me this and god told me that" and then look down on everyone and condemn them to hell for NOT beleiving them..and then these same idiots turn out to be WRONG..again..and again..and again..and again.

But these idiots are SO far gone mentally that they just CANT understand WHY people cant STAND them anymore.
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I understand your point but this thread didnt say, condem, or look down upon anyone. The OP thinks the rapture may occur on July 14th and gave a celestial explanation. No where did OP talk down to anyone. It's people Coming here with their preconceived notions and their own personal issues. Quite irritating.
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I was RAISED a christian..been to hundreds of churches and read all the books and heard all the sermons.

There came a time in my life when I realised it was all UTTER BULLSHIT and that christians for the MOST part are far more evil and selfish than the world THEY condemn.

I know..I used to be the same..but not now.

I will spend the rest of my days EXPOSING THEIR LIES and HYPOCRISY..that seems to be my calling now..

BTW..I have not ditched the baby with the bathwater.

But I sure cant stand the bathwater anylonger.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17345700


No one pays attention to you..Your like the Child in the back of the room talking incessiantly, while other's are doing there work, ignoring your rants...

Go do something useful, like mowing your lawn or the neighbor's.
 Quoting: christian


ICE USED to be the king of arrogance and insulting PRIDE.

Seems you have take over that position while ICE going by his last reply seems to be LEARNING at last what LOVE IS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18167758


I never thought ICE was full of Pride and Arrogance..That is what GAY Parades are...They even say they have PRIDE.

You on the other hand you are annoying and mocking people, you have sown what you are now reaping...
 Quoting: christian


Such as?

I was alomst BASHED to death by a church full of rapture tards..all gathered around me beating me while blathering away in tongues when I was 17. I never sued them..THATS forgiveness.

I had another PASTOR..once again a rapture tard tongues speaking vile hypocrite threaten to kill my mother because she found out about his many MOLESTATIONS of the kids at childrens church..

I could list in detail the HORROR people like you..arrogant..proud..and EVIL have done to me and my family.

So keep jusding me you black hearted bastard...you dont know what I have SUFFERED at the hands of dickheads like YOU.
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I will never understand the point of bitching about something that you,

1) don't believe in
2) don't care about or agree with
3) find the people involved to be annoying or ignorant

Why click in the thread? Who cares if you don't agree, wouldn't your personal time be better spent in a place that satisfies your interest? Or is it the urge to spread your POV in hopes that it's going to make a difference? Well it hardly ever works out that easily, especially when it comes to personal beliefs. Just not gonna happen.
This goes for anyone.
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I would love to think that Sunday would be fly out time


the Lord had humbled me to my knees over the lost 6 months

Today well this morning my spirit was as heavy ad possible

its on my heart that war and money failure are at the door
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every day is a day to expectantly watch for the Lord's return for His bride :-)

He will come for those of us who are alive and remain when the full number have come into His body of believers :-)

at a time we do not expect!

Thread: The Bible is a marriage contract

as in any day now, maybe even today. putting off His return takes away imminency

love rb
 Quoting: rb 11190318


Amen

and op date could be right on

of not we have another day to show the love

of Christ to all
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every day is a day to expectantly watch for the Lord's return for His bride :-)

He will come for those of us who are alive and remain when the full number have come into His body of believers :-)

at a time we do not expect!

Thread: The Bible is a marriage contract

as in any day now, maybe even today. putting off His return takes away imminency

love rb
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That DAY means nothing if one is not under the BLOOD Covenant. Once you are sealed in His Blood, the day has meaning. You are already transformed into his image in the spirit.

2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]
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Jesus said when he returns is the first ressurection...yes???


And those who are alive and remain get taken just AFTER this...


So how can the rapture happen BEFORE the first ressurection?

1st Thessalonians 4:14-17
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them that sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. (DEAD)
16 For the Lord himself shall descend with a shout, with the voice of an arch angel, and with the trump of God: and the dead will rise first:(FIRST RESSURECTION)17 Then (MEANING RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST RESSURECTION)we which are alive and remain (THOSE THAT ENDURED TO THE END AND SURVIVED)shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, (THE RAPTURE)and so we shall ever be with the Lord.

There can be no resurrection before the first resurrection, otherwise it would be a SECOND ressurection..or a THIRD even, therefore there can not be a mass resurrection of the dead in Christ before the tribulation.

Seeing that the first resurrection takes place at the end of the tribulation, the pretrib rapture along with the mid trib, and pre wrath rapture become biblically impossible.

The only view that fits is that of a post trib rapture. The first resurrection is the resurrection of the just and the rapture immediately preceeds it.

But then..to sell all the books...and all the movies...and make millions of dollars for the false teachers..you simply HAVE to ignore what the bible clearly says.
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No one pays attention to you..Your like the Child in the back of the room talking incessiantly, while other's are doing there work, ignoring your rants...

Go do something useful, like mowing your lawn or the neighbor's.
 Quoting: christian


ICE USED to be the king of arrogance and insulting PRIDE.

Seems you have take over that position while ICE going by his last reply seems to be LEARNING at last what LOVE IS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18167758


I never thought ICE was full of Pride and Arrogance..That is what GAY Parades are...They even say they have PRIDE.

You on the other hand you are annoying and mocking people, you have sown what you are now reaping...
 Quoting: christian


Such as?

I was alomst BASHED to death by a church full of rapture tards..all gathered around me beating me while blathering away in tongues when I was 17. I never sued them..THATS forgiveness.

I had another PASTOR..once again a rapture tard tongues speaking vile hypocrite threaten to kill my mother because she found out about his many MOLESTATIONS of the kids at childrens church..

I could list in detail the HORROR people like you..arrogant..proud..and EVIL have done to me and my family.

So keep jusding me you black hearted bastard...you dont know what I have SUFFERED at the hands of dickheads like YOU.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18167758


So you are going to take what happened to you and your Mother at a Corrupt Church and take it out on the rest of us...????
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ICE USED to be the king of arrogance and insulting PRIDE.

Seems you have take over that position while ICE going by his last reply seems to be LEARNING at last what LOVE IS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18167758


I never thought ICE was full of Pride and Arrogance..That is what GAY Parades are...They even say they have PRIDE.

You on the other hand you are annoying and mocking people, you have sown what you are now reaping...
 Quoting: christian


Such as?

I was alomst BASHED to death by a church full of rapture tards..all gathered around me beating me while blathering away in tongues when I was 17. I never sued them..THATS forgiveness.

I had another PASTOR..once again a rapture tard tongues speaking vile hypocrite threaten to kill my mother because she found out about his many MOLESTATIONS of the kids at childrens church..

I could list in detail the HORROR people like you..arrogant..proud..and EVIL have done to me and my family.

So keep jusding me you black hearted bastard...you dont know what I have SUFFERED at the hands of dickheads like YOU.
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So you are going to take what happened to you and your Mother at a Corrupt Church and take it out on the rest of us...????
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I would not have to IF you didnt display the same haughty holier than though smug arrogant heartless PRIDE they did.\

You have the SAME attitude as the ones who bashed me..you have the same TEACHING as the ones who bashed me..you have the same kind of responses as the ones who bashed me..so UNTIL you can be a NORMAL HUMAN BEING instead of a know it all arrogant BASTARD..expect to be treated like those others.

I see NO difference in your attitude and theirs..the same haughty arrogant BULLSHIT.

And given the chance..YOU would probably kick me to death whilst babbling away in tongues and screaming for jesus to come RAPTURE you while you kick this poor sinner at your feet to DEATH for DARING to point out your hypocrisy..cause thats all I did that time I got bashed.

I told them they were hypocrites..so they set out then and there to PROVE ME RIGH..they were..just like..YOU.

But you are so damn fast to judge..all christians are..they LOVE to belittle and condemn and pout down others..its in your NATURE to do so.
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Jesus said when he returns is the first ressurection...yes???


And those who are alive and remain get taken just AFTER this...


So how can the rapture happen BEFORE the first ressurection?

1st Thessalonians 4:14-17
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them that sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. (DEAD)
16 For the Lord himself shall descend with a shout, with the voice of an arch angel, and with the trump of God: and the dead will rise first:(FIRST RESSURECTION)17 Then (MEANING RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST RESSURECTION)we which are alive and remain (THOSE THAT ENDURED TO THE END AND SURVIVED)shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, (THE RAPTURE)and so we shall ever be with the Lord.

There can be no resurrection before the first resurrection, otherwise it would be a SECOND ressurection..or a THIRD even, therefore there can not be a mass resurrection of the dead in Christ before the tribulation.

Seeing that the first resurrection takes place at the end of the tribulation, the pretrib rapture along with the mid trib, and pre wrath rapture become biblically impossible.

The only view that fits is that of a post trib rapture. The first resurrection is the resurrection of the just and the rapture immediately preceeds it.

But then..to sell all the books...and all the movies...and make millions of dollars for the false teachers..you simply HAVE to ignore what the bible clearly says.
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i agree but i am always ready to talk about the moment

plus i am not sure how the Lord will handle it all

i used to young and full of zest for such things

now

old and layer back
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Did you see the PDF Chart that Luis Vega posted? Very interesting.
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Did you see the PDF Chart that Luis Vega posted? Very interesting.
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 Quoting: Intruth


That is very interesting
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