Christians...

There are few if any Hebrew words worse than ‘awon. Derived from ‘aw’ah, is denotes “distorting, perverting, and warping,” and thus represents a particular type of sin: babel. Affirming this, ‘aw’ah is from ‘awah, which is “to bend, twist and distort.” Therefore, ‘awon depicts “corruption, perversion, distortion, and manipulation,” the very things religious institutions have done to Yah’s Towrah teaching, “twisting” His Word so that people “miss the way.”

No one was better at this or more influential than Paul, the founder of the Christian religion. His letters routinely remove God’s statements from their context, misquote what He actually said, and then twist the corruption to warp the minds of those who believe him. And the consequence has been grievous, because from God’s perspective ‘awon is “perverse, depraved, and reprehensible.” It is “wrong.” It is “delusional.” And “the guilty will be punished” as a “result of deviating” from the truth.

Wow......what the heck happened to the steve I used to know.

I am happy to bid you adieu..... have a nice life.

It must be that chicken I had for dinner last night...

Thanks for your response.

Are 'meat eating' scriptures the only ones that were forged in your opinion?

It's similar to the question you asked Steve...

"Where, exactly do YOU draw the line then?"


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Lol!

Apparently he likes you based on his generally civil responses.


( speaking as one who has received harsher responses in the past)


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“The grass (chasyr – the common plant which spread out, lives for a while, and then becomes food for other animals) withers (yabes – dries up and is gone), and the flower (sys – blossom of the plant) fades away (nabel – shrivels, decays, and becomes senseless), but (wa) the Word (dabar) of our God Almighty (‘elohym) stands, establishes, uplifts, and endures (quwm – He and it is upright, fulfills, confirms, restores, rises up, uplifts, and validates (scribed in the qal imperfect, speaking of an unfolding relationship, and in the third person masculine singular, depicting the pronoun: He) forever (la ‘owlam – into infinity, time immemorial).” (Yasha’yahuw/ Isaiah 40:8)

The Word of our God endures forever. So, if rather than withering and decaying, you want your soul to endure forever, to be established, restored, and to be lifted up to heaven, trust and rely upon the eternal Word of God—the Torah, Prophets, and Psalms.

The religion of Christianity dies with this verse, so it is a wonder that so many preachers cite it, albeit out of context and errantly translated. God’s Word, His Torah, Prophets, and Psalms, endures forever. A “New Testament” did not replace an “Old Testament.” The Torah has not been annulled; its usefulness has not come to an end, as Paul would have Christians believe. The “dabar ‘elohym – Word of God” is the power of God to save us, now and forever. It is manifest in the flesh by Yahowsha’ and in the spirit by the Ruwach of Yahowah.

Yep!

Word became flesh and corrected the errant translations of God's Torah...



Ye have heard that it hath been said...

But I say unto you...

^Matt 5^


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“For indeed (ky ¬– because and emphasizing this point), I (‘anky), Yahowah, your God (‘elohy), am a zealous and jealous God (qana’ ‘el – a God who is desirous of exclusivity in a relationship, a God who is emotionally passionate and extremely protective of those He loves)... (Shemowth / Names / Exodus 20:5...)

The fact that when Paul wrote of “love” in his first letter to the Corinthians, he lied when he said that “love is not jealous” and the “love does not seek its own.” True love is always jealous and it always seeks to be loved in return. Moreover, no one’s love is more true than Yah’s, and He is jealous, thereby proving that Paul cannot be trusted.

‎"without money or cost."

He says: "Listen carefully to Me. Incline your ear and come to Me. Listen so that you may live, and so that I will be able to establish an everlasting Covenant Relationship with you." (Yashayahw / Isaiah 55:3) Notice His Covenant is everlasting so one might ask how a religion can claim a "new covenant'.

The Ma’aseyah delineated the consequence of believing the contradictory pontifications which became the “New Testament.”

“All those calling Me ‘Lord Lord’ will not enter the kingdom of heaven, but to the contrary, those in heaven are those who do My Father’s will (thelema – do what He decided and proposed [read: who observe Yahowah’s Torah]). Many will say to Me in this specific day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not speak inspired utterances and prophesy in your name and drive out demons in your name, and perform many mighty miracles in your name?’ And then at that time, I will profess to them that I never knew them. You all must depart from Me, those who bring about that which is in opposition to the Torah (anomia – Lawless).” (Mattanyah / Yah’s Gift / Matthew 7:21-23)

HA!
who said anything about eating meat to be a lust for blood?
if that was true i wouldnt cook it.
heres something from the OT:
Lev 11:10-13,
and Lev 11:41
now let me ask, why wouldnt he just say, all meat is an abomination?
you say the passage was forged?
do you have solid evidence to this?
or is it under lock n key?
ill put it like this:
if your "friend" has a truth, as told by God, and yet hides the truth so we may not know, and find salvation, then he is indeed in leauge with Satan, and if he is your friend, wouldnt you consider that guilty by association?

@ OP

Have you ever *killed* ? Have you ever watched the life drain out of a being?

Do you like it? Or does it just not bother you? is life draining out meaningless to you?

I ask these questions because my husband, who is a hunter by tradition, says that everybody should hunt and kill an animal to understand what it means to KILL.

My husband, who is still a MEAT EATER is WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY on board with me, than you are.

If you are set upon eating *meat*......when you are hungry, take your pet dog, slit its throat, watch it die, and then eat it.

If you are not willing to do that, then, please explain why.

My wife is totally against the idea of me slaughtering one of the dogs for a meal.

While putting out some trash, I did manage to trap a stray cat in my shed. I'll let you know how it turns out.

i know these questions eere directed at Steve, but as a meat eater myself, i would like to answer a few if not all of these.
by "killed" and being it sounds as if you mean a human, and not animal soooo, no ive never killed a human, but animal, yes, quite a few. i never really hunted for food, but when i was a kid i shot quite a few squrrel, tbh, just for the hunt, not for blood, but to bask in my shooting skills i guess.
ive mostly done some mercy kills on quite a few animals:
1. a cat: had a flesh eating virus of some sort that lead into a gaping hole in her back, i could see her insides. i placed my hand over her mouth n nose untill she quit breathing.
2. another cat: a stray got into my aunts yard and her dog broke its back along with protruding bones, it, however, was still throwing its claws around to protect itself, so it was hard to do the whole hand to mouth thing. i bashed its head with a shovel. sounds bad, but it needed to be done.
3. a deer: while driving through a road in the forest area, we saw a fawn get hit by a truck, the truck kept going. i got out, and saw the deer was severly hurt. i did the hand over her mouth and nose, and pet her till she died.
your hubby seems a little strange if he only goes to hunt for lust of blood. if thats what hes about, he should seek help. (i dont mean to offend, just my honest opinion). one should only hunt for the use of food. not just for the challenge, although that does add to the fun. tbh, if i was to hunt, i would try to use as much of the kill as i could, much like the native americans.

i wouldn't kill my dog/cat for the purpose of meat unless myself or my family was starving, and even then id look for other options. why?
first, im not really into dog/cat meat.
second, my pets are my friends, ive built a relationship with them, and it would be much harder to kill my pet, than say a deer that i know tastes good, and i have no emotional ties too.

I don't think god would be so petty as to get pissed that people aren't saying any names correctly

I like Yeshua, it sounds nice

It's not a matter of Him getting angry...
If His name can be known and used, which it can be... there is no good reason not to do so.
Knowing and understanding the meaning of His name is important in that "it" has meaning and gives us insights into Who He Is.

The reason I often point to the fact that His name is not "Jesus" is that His name is IMPORTANT and has meaning.
Yahowsha' is a blend of two Hebrew words... One is a name (the most IMPORTANT name ever) - Yahowah (His Name) and the other in the Hebrew word for "Salvation" - yasha'. His name has awesome meaning... Salvation is in Yahowah.
The prophet Isaiah has a very similar name only reversed... his real name is "Yasha'yahu" meaning the same thing.

There is NO meaning nor importance in the name "Jesus" none. It has only been around for a few hundred years... fact.

When whoever takes a casual and "PC" approach to His name and say things like, "it doesn't matter what I call Him, He knows my heart." Are you so sure about that to the point where you are willing to possibly miss out on the gift He has for those He knows...???

“All those calling Me ‘Lord Lord’ will not enter the kingdom of heaven, but to the contrary, those in heaven are those who do My Father’s will (thelema – do what He decided and proposed [read: who observe Yahowah’s Torah]). Many will say to Me in this specific day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not speak inspired utterances and prophesy in your name and drive out demons in your name, and perform many mighty miracles in your name?’ And then at that time, I will profess to them that I never knew them. You all must depart from Me, those who bring about that which is in opposition to the Torah (anomia – Lawless).” (Mattanyah / Matthew 7:21-23)

His name is very important to Him as He states so many times in many places in Scripture.

What you are referring to is figurative, where "pronouncing the name wrong" means misusing the name, or not believing in the name.

Again, I'm pretty sure an all powerful god can deal with some people pronouncing a name wrong.

Have you not read the old testament ? You have gone way off course with this malarkey . God expects blood to be shed for us to atone for our sins . Your two beliefs are mutually exclusive and totally incompatible . Did you also forget about the passover ?

No... that is not what I am doing. I've never said that you have to "pronounce" nor spell His name perfectly.
Many people will spell His name Yahuah and there is really nothing wrong with that.
The ancient Hebrew "Waw" most often has an "o" or "oo" sound. We can know this by how other Hebrew words sound that use the same letter. "Shalom" is a good example.

I'm not telling anyone what they have to do...as if.

I didn't even bring up the subject of "His Name" in this thread... all I did was use it.

Are you ABSOLUTELY SURE, STEVE, THAT IT IS SPELLED YAHOWSHA??? ARE YOU SURE?

Cause if you're not..

It's the gospel of incantations you're relying on...

If you can't say His name right, He can't hear you!

That's witchcraft!

What if I took a bad step and started tumbling down the side of a cliff...

And I shouted, "SAVE ME JESUS!!!"

Is God going to say, "Sorry, that's not my name. Try again."

And I then shouted, "SAVE ME YESHUA!!!"

God might say, "That's not how you correctly pronounce it. Try again."

And I then sho...*DEAD*




See how silly all this is???

The Lord knows your heart.

And besides there's power in the name Jesus. Sinners cringe at that name, but not at Yeshua or whatever.

I think it is more of a respect and honor thing . How would you feel if somebody kept calling you by a different name from your own ? Jesus is a Greek name , Yeshua was Hebrew.

STEVE

WHY HAVE YOU JOINED THE 'PAUL THE USURPER' MOVEMENT?

IF YOU'RE GOING TO DENY LARGE PARTS OF GOD'S WORD

THEN MIGHT AS WELL THROW THE BIBLE AWAY AND BECOME AN APOSTATE

HOW CAN YOU BE SO SURE OF YOUR SALVATION IF YOU HAVE NO RELIABLE FOUNDATION TO STAND UPON???

(Psalm 11:3) "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?"

Actually , it is the lawless Christians who are the real Apostates.

first, to the previous posters, i am the reason me n Steve are going back n forth onbthe name thing, i brought it up.

@Steve:
dude i can totally see and respect where your coming from, your trying to say, Yahuwah/Yahasua has meaning within the original text where as Jesus (the name not the person) doesnt have the same meaning.
got ya.
however, that is by the Hebrew translation. the name Jesus, for us English folk, holds very much the same meaning.

actually the Greek name is Iesous, Jesus is the OE version from king James scribes.

If that happens... you're going to fall. What you call your god at that point will have no effect. There are consequences to our actions... watch your step.

True.

The proper name Jesus (play /ˈdʒiːzəs/) used in the English language originates from the Latin form of the Greek name Ἰησοῦς (Iēsous), a rendition of the Hebrew Yeshua (ישוע), also having the variants Joshua or Jeshua.[