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The problems with the US school system (straight from a 17-year-old)...

 
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The system has its ways but keep up the good work, and continue being your own person.you bring me faith and i know others will awaken to what you mean.I know some judge you but they dont know what youve been through,be brave it will be scene through at our level money is still necesary,but people must be reminded that indevidual thought is still necesary as well,it will happen becouse thats how people see through the bs that resides around.what you have will give you an edge god bless.
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yeAH... it was a bunch of bs i just wanted to yell at them all.. out of love of course!blwkssheartsgrouphugdogpilewavesupermanverycoolanaaltcdnflag
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The worst problem is that I get taxed up the ass to pay for ingracious little pukes like OP to get a so-so education that goes unappreciated. Why not drop out at sixteen, dig ditches for a couple of years and then join the military?
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Everyone that hates on what this dude said probably hasn't sat through a day of public school in a very long time. The school institutions of america are more like prisons. they both are trying to make you become a profitable debt slave after you have served your time. the same things are drilled into your head year after year. One experience i had at school last year ,my last in high school ever too, was amazing.


I had this class contemporary world affairs. The teacher was a push over and the class spent many days controlling the "learning environment". By that i mean nobody in the class GAVE A FLYING FUCK so they sat around yelling random nonsense at each other texting listening to music fighting eating anything you can do within the walls of school besides learn or listen to the teacher. the closest thing to teach she could do was just put on a movie or play games with my simple minded peers where she gave them candy.


Then one day she put on an interesting video about the NWO it talked about the Illuminati and how the world is not really what it seems. i cant tell you much about the video and its contents because my fellow students in that class were outraged they simply would not let the movie play. it was on for about 5 mins before everyone just started to get angry so they all started yelling at the teacher for being evil and shit. she turned the movie off. the class then talked about Jay-z.

long before all that i took it upon myself to learn about what she was trying to show everyone that day. so i just sat in the back of the class and watched the reactions towards the truth behind what really governs their material world. It was crazy how worked up everyone got but i was not surprised. however i was saddened that common people will actually fight to maintain their ignorance. whats even sadder is that they didn't know it would help them become more free...they didn't even give it a chance.

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If you were my child, I would be proud of you. I see you on the road of success!

Excellent post!

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The worst problem is that I get taxed up the ass to pay for ingracious little pukes like OP to get a so-so education that goes unappreciated. Why not drop out at sixteen, dig ditches for a couple of years and then join the military?
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Everyone that hates on what this dude said probably hasn't sat through a day of public school in a very long time. The school institutions of america are more like prisons. they both are trying to make you become a profitable debt slave after you have served your time. the same things are drilled into your head year after year. One experience i had at school last year ,my last in high school ever too, was amazing.


I had this class contemporary world affairs. The teacher was a push over and the class spent many days controlling the "learning environment". By that i mean nobody in the class GAVE A FLYING FUCK so they sat around yelling random nonsense at each other texting listening to music fighting eating anything you can do within the walls of school besides learn or listen to the teacher. the closest thing to teach she could do was just put on a movie or play games with my simple minded peers where she gave them candy.


Then one day she put on an interesting video about the NWO it talked about the Illuminati and how the world is not really what it seems. i cant tell you much about the video and its contents because my fellow students in that class were outraged they simply would not let the movie play. it was on for about 5 mins before everyone just started to get angry so they all started yelling at the teacher for being evil and shit. she turned the movie off. the class then talked about Jay-z.

long before all that i took it upon myself to learn about what she was trying to show everyone that day. so i just sat in the back of the class and watched the reactions towards the truth behind what really governs their material world. It was crazy how worked up everyone got but i was not surprised. however i was saddened that common people will actually fight to maintain their ignorance. whats even sadder is that they didn't know it would help them become more free...they didn't even give it a chance.

Most people spend more time and energy going around problems then actually fixing them. -Henry ford.
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If you were my child, I would be proud of you. I see you on the road of success!

Excellent post!

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me too!
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The Worldwide “Education System” – UNESCO’s Indoctrination Prison Blueprint

Today the Global Elite and their Government puppets have infiltrated and taken over the education system and are indoctrinating the children in their ideals, whilst at the same time socially engineering a “deliberate dumbing down” of Worlds children via that system.

Schools are Prisons


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The worst problem is that I get taxed up the ass to pay for ingracious little pukes like OP to get a so-so education that goes unappreciated. Why not drop out at sixteen, dig ditches for a couple of years and then join the military?
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Yeah! Like in the good ol' days when there were no child labor laws and blacks and women couldn't vote. YEEE HAWWW!!! Boy Howdy!!

Yeah, the military! Good idea! Nothin'll put hair on yer chest faster than killin' civilians with dark skin in far away lands with names ya can't pronounce to open markets for corporations. Oops! I mean "spreadin' democracy." That's spreadin' SUMthin', alright. Manure.

And your other point about since you pay taxes, people shouldn't be able to complain about the services they get in return. YEEE HAWW!!! Great point! After all, our public education system is the best in the world for first world industrialized nations. No wait, not first. What's the word I'm lookin' for?...Last. And the other government services we pay for work SO efficiently, too. Great point! I hear ya, good buddy. 10-4.
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The worst problem is that I get taxed up the ass to pay for ingracious little pukes like OP to get a so-so education that goes unappreciated. Why not drop out at sixteen, dig ditches for a couple of years and then join the military?
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Yeah! Like in the good ol' days when there were no child labor laws and blacks and women couldn't vote. YEEE HAWWW!!! Boy Howdy!!

Yeah, the military! Good idea! Nothin'll put hair on yer chest faster than killin' civilians with dark skin in far away lands with names ya can't pronounce to open markets for corporations. Oops! I mean "spreadin' democracy." That's spreadin' SUMthin', alright. Manure.

And your other point about since you pay taxes, people shouldn't be able to complain about the services they get in return. YEEE HAWW!!! Great point! After all, our public education system is the best in the world for first world industrialized nations. No wait, not first. What's the word I'm lookin' for?...Last. And the other government services we pay for work SO efficiently, too. Great point! I hear ya, good buddy. 10-4.
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The worst problem is that I get taxed up the ass to pay for ingracious little pukes like OP to get a so-so education that goes unappreciated. Why not drop out at sixteen, dig ditches for a couple of years and then join the military?
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Yeah! Like in the good ol' days when there were no child labor laws and blacks and women couldn't vote. YEEE HAWWW!!! Boy Howdy!!

Yeah, the military! Good idea! Nothin'll put hair on yer chest faster than killin' civilians with dark skin in far away lands with names ya can't pronounce to open markets for corporations. Oops! I mean "spreadin' democracy." That's spreadin' SUMthin', alright. Manure.

And your other point about since you pay taxes, people shouldn't be able to complain about the services they get in return. YEEE HAWW!!! Great point! After all, our public education system is the best in the world for first world industrialized nations. No wait, not first. What's the word I'm lookin' for?...Last. And the other government services we pay for work SO efficiently, too. Great point! I hear ya, good buddy. 10-4.
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chuckle Well said!! hf
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I finally realized that the closer a thread gets to a real issue on this forum, the more anger it generates. And this is a good thing. It means it is important. Something everyone has an opinion on, and something with a real world solution. Unlike the NWO, TPTB, etc., this is reality.

The American School System.

What did you like about it?
What did you hate?
What did you take away from it?
How did it help you?
How did it hurt you?

As for the OP, I can only offer this advice. I too went on to study music in college. I spent alot of money and am very much in debt. I am not suggesting you leave your dreams behind, but take this for what you will...

Get a four year degree in something other than liberal arts. Always pursue your dreams on the side, never rely on your art to make your living, it will cheapen it. You can get as much out of practicing, listening and transcribing records, practicing ear training and relative pitch, and sightreading on your own as you can in school. Go to college to study something they "certify" you for. Business, engineering, science, medicine, etc.

Trust me, in fifteen years you'll be glad you did.
You won't be living paycheck to paycheck like I am.
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The Rockefeller Foundation has controlled domestic education since 1908, On purpose they have robbed the public of the ability to think critically, taught them to consume and follow.

" I do not want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers."
John D. Rockefeller
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This ^^^ is why public schools are the way they are. If you want to be educated, you have to do it yourself.

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This comes directly from a 17-year old. I graduated from high school this year.

When I speak low of the school system, many "adults" dismiss my claims, saying I "haven't tried hard enough" or "maybe the courses weren't that challenging."

Perhaps, but it goes far deeper than that, and I don't dislike school because I am "afraid" of learning (most of my classmates just hate school to hate school); I like to learn different things, so long as they hold some sort of value later in life.

Do not get me wrong, I'm grateful for SOME things from going to school: I got to meet a handful of awesome teachers, and in a sea of 4,000 kids at my highschool I managed to get to know some real standout people. But that's not the point, is it?

Anyway...

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THE CURRICULUM...

The first offense committed by the school system comes with the whole curriculum itself. Why, in high school, am I still being taught how to use alliteration? Allusions? Imagery? These are all common sense practices that most if not all people have already learned from past schooling!

Next, comes math. I'm sorry if you don't agree, but math classes should stop at basic math, or maybe go as far as Algebra I (which I completed in middle school, in the 8th grade). Since freshman year I have not and do not ever expect to use Trigonometry in the REAL WORLD (the system loves to throw around this phrase, more on that later).

And history. Now, I love history when it's taught by someone who has experience traveling and has collected stories throughout their life, not when it's merely read to you and displayed through lazy Powerpoint presentations. One of my favorite classes was in my senior year: "Ancient American Civilizations," taught by one of my favorite teachers. But please. Spare me the inane mandatory US History courses, with the misinforming textbooks filled with overwhelming American-supremacy. I feel bad for anyone who retained the disinfo from those books.

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THE SYSTEM...

Another thing that really got on my nerves from experiencing the modern high school "system" is just that; it's a system. Or, rather, an assembly line:

Everyone comes out the same, with the same exact lack of real-world skills and "proficiency in useless knowledge."

There's that "Real world" phrase again. The system wants you to think that 1) learning regurgitated disinfo from Powerpoints and 2) taking notes that are barely distinguishable when you refer back to them, will assist you when you're out on your own. These skills set you up for failure. 1) Perceiving something you read undoubtedly as fact only makes you more vulnerable to retain disinfo from the MSM and 2) The same system that discourages plagiarism wants you to write using the same info as everyone else.

The only reason the system expects you to follow this conveyor belt to "real-world success" is because you are seen as a slave to this system, one who will go to college young and dumb, not find a job after graduating and be young, dumb, broke, and knee-deep in debt.

The school system never put ANY emphasis on intelligence. It was always knowledge. In my opinion, intelligence is infinitely more important than being able to retain information. Someone who is intelligent is able to question. Someone who is knowledgable is able to be commanded and repeat back to their master like some damn dog.

Intelligence, then, is something that has to be developed on your own. School knowledge is ignorance. And of course, Ignorance is Strength in the REAL WORLD.

You can see where TPTB have had their influence in the teachings of the school system. I don't know if it was different back in the day, but I can't understand why anyone thinks that school is so great today.

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THE FACULTY...

The faculty, with the exception of the great teachers I had the pleasure of meeting, the ones who defied the rigid coursework and vanilla curriculum, had my utmost disrespect.

Our principal, one of the highest paid workers in the city (with a salary of $150,000/yr), did NOTHING. I hear everyone speak so highly of her. I once asked one of my relatives, "Give me an example of something she did."

"Well, she turned the school system around. Increased test scores," she said.

"How did SHE do that? You think that tests really matter? The people who look at the results judge kids based off of a number. A number doesn't tell you how a person thinks."

All she did was smile; that "aww, look at the 17-year-old acting all mature" smile that someone gives you when they know you're far more advanced than them in your thinking.

"I'll have anotha Mahtini!" she yelled to my mom, with a slight bit of discomfort. I'd imagine the next topic of conversation for her was something along the lines of American Idol or America's Got Talent performances. Sigh.

Our principal was lazy and did not care. She was only interested in accolades from visitors and seniors going to college. After all, college = success, right?

She was extremely fake. And the saddest part about it was that only a small group of kids realized that. She spent more time trying to be "hip" and be respected than working on fixing the beyond-broken school system.

The "floor teachers," known more popularly as rent-a-cops, spent the day partolling the floors, making sure "minorities" got to class on time (there were a few who were so very obviously racist), sitting in chairs making sure you had your ID on or had a hall pass.

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BUDGET CUTS...

When it came down to budget cuts at our school, what was the first thing to go? The arts of course.

Our school was huge into arts. In fact, it was probably the most successful part of the school.

Art was the only part of the school in which self-expression was encouraged and you weren't told how to do things.

But of course, the arts got cut, or at least most of it. Not the useless academic courses that had no room for individual thought.

I had the pleasure of taking one of the courses luckily not cut, Music Theory II, in my senior year. Although the teacher often came off as a sensitive, militarized douche-bag, the course offered me a way to really get into the analysis of music and be able to get some concrete reasoning behind why I really hate today's computerized, garbage music.

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A DIFFERENT GENERATION...

Perhaps the worst part about this system was the way it (in part) conditioned my generation.

I don't think parents can take the blame here. What do kids spend longer doing when they're growing up? Being with their parents or going to school (and is that our parents' fault)? What do most kids do when they're not in school? Phones or social media.

When you're not fully developed, you're bound to be directly influenced by whatever you spend the most time doing.

Of course, school can take the blame for putting knowledge above intelligence, but I've seen what else the system does to people.

No one knows how to think for themselves. Everyone just plays the part of the compulsive compliant slave. The result is a more disconnected generation. During lunch, I see tables full of people all texting for the majority of the time. When someone attempts to strike up a conversation, the person on the receiving end will either stare into space at the person and say "mhm" at times, or take out their phone and do the nod and agree with everything the person says.

Conversations with these people all feel like dissociated instances of you naming a topic, them ignoring you until it's time for them to speak, and them just pulling everything they know about said topic and regurgitating it rather robotically back to you. It's like doing a Google search. This is what knowledge over intelligence is doing.

It's not all just school, evidently. The MSM's ascendancy can clearly be seen in this generation.

The mainstream media has conditioned some to be mindless gossipers and walking celebrity encyclopedias; couriers of inane bullshit, “Real World Americans,” as I had called them.

The students walk around, emotionless and uninterested in everything that doesn't have to do with partying and getting drunk/high. There is no place for emotion within the model of the current day school system.

While I am one to dislike poetry, I can't help bt be reminded of the poem "Scholars" by Walter de la Mare.

Logic does well at school;
And Reason answers every question right;
Poll-parrot Memory unwinds her spool;
And Copy-cat keeps Teacher well in sight;

The Heart's a truant; nothing does by rule;
Safe in its wisdom, is taken for a fool;
Nods through the morning on the dunce's stool;
And wakes to dream all night.

WALTER DE LA MARE
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BE SUCCESSFUL!

Now, if you've gone through high school you'll know that they push you like crazy for you to go off to college.

That was fine years ago, when college was not very costly.

Now, people can hardly find jobs after being awarded an $80,000 piece of paper that the graduate is owned by for (most likely) the rest of their life.

Going through school, teachers would constantly push students to go down the path with more money at the end of it.

Yet another reason my generation is so screwed up is because people are still concerned with material wealth.

My definition of success is when I can get up in the morning and say that I am honestly happy. Not doing something that makes me rich. People need to stop giving money value. It's not worth anything.

Doing what you love doesn't have to mean a "job" either. I want to travel because I love doing it. I love to explore. That's my success.

What I don't need is my relatives or anyone else telling me I'm successful after I graduate from college or get some high-paying job that I can't stand to get up for in the morning. In fact, I've failed as a person if I've done that.

I really do hope that my classmates that are going to college do graduate and get the jobs they love. I hope college is worth it for some. But the truth is that school has changed. For the worse.

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HOW LONG WILL THIS GO ON?

I truly, truly feel for whoever has been afflicted by this parasite. I must admit, I'm ignorant of how long this shit has been going on, but I would assume it's at its worst now and is getting gradually worse with each passing year.

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I know this was a long post. Thank you to anyone who took the time to even just read a section of it.


I'd like to open this thread to some interesting discussion. So please, by all means, I'd like to hear people who agree/disagree with my post and why.
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I'm with you 100% of the way OP, we even have the same goals in mind (music and travel). The amount of ignorance in the posts on this forum are proof of a failed system. They don't even have the reading comprehension to understand what you're saying. They all act high and mighty saying "Oh you're just an immature teenager that didn't have the skills to learn the material so you're whining, blah blah blah." THAT'S NOT EVEN THE POINT RETARDS THE POINT IS HOW IT IS TAUGHT. I had to get my band member to tutor me for math my senior year, and in 15 minutes of working with him I learned more than I did from sitting in my Math 4 class for 2 hours. I remember my senior year (which ended a few months ago) I had 2 welding classes. To be specific, one machine shop and one welding. Four hours a day I either slept, played cards, or got online on the school laptops. The one thing we did for a grade in each class was the exact same thing (machine shop related) because the school can't afford the metal and welding rods necessary to weld. All of the people with the highest grades in my class are literally the dumbest people I've ever met. They're the kind of people that can remember anything you tell them, but they can't figure out the most basic problems without asking a teacher for help. They're the most successful people of my class because that's how school works, just retain the information you're told and ask a question when you get stuck so the teacher will give you the answer rather than help you find it.
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dude you need Math. I know, it's hard, and you have calculators, and whatever, but math is universal language. It will be what unbinds us from this current paradigm.

We all need History. Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.

Many other points I do agree with, however all of them can be overcome with personal desire and the will to want more for yourself.

Good Luck!
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As you get older you will realize everything is not about you, and you will see value in a society of people who know stuff and have read about the mistakes of the past. Want a real net history topic? Research Germany before the Nazis and compare similarities to your country now.
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So.... I didn't even get past the first page,

BUT,

Ill bet everything that all the people talking ignorant shit to this kid are most likely :

1. Far older than this high school student.

2. Bitter about the path that they have chosen.

3. Lacking basic comprehension/communication/observation skills

4. Retarded.



and i guarantee the first guy who said "fuck you", is waaaay to old to be saying that to a high school student.


this thread is a horribly accurate representation of how things truly work.

OP, just do you, pursue art and wait until your happy and all the lost ones look at you with jealous eyes.

Stay up
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its likely this has already been said,
but the school system is designed to get people prepared for the life of a factory worker.

You fools keep saying things like
" come on kid, history is really important to know"

yeah, no shit.

the Point is, the "history" being "taught" is not accurate and from surface to root levels has an unending list of conspiracies attached to it.

you dumb fucks probably get all teary eyed on columbus day, huh?
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The worst problem is that I get taxed up the ass to pay for ingracious little pukes like OP to get a so-so education that goes unappreciated. Why not drop out at sixteen, dig ditches for a couple of years and then join the military?
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Yeah! Like in the good ol' days when there were no child labor laws and blacks and women couldn't vote. YEEE HAWWW!!! Boy Howdy!!

Yeah, the military! Good idea! Nothin'll put hair on yer chest faster than killin' civilians with dark skin in far away lands with names ya can't pronounce to open markets for corporations. Oops! I mean "spreadin' democracy." That's spreadin' SUMthin', alright. Manure.

And your other point about since you pay taxes, people shouldn't be able to complain about the services they get in return. YEEE HAWW!!! Great point! After all, our public education system is the best in the world for first world industrialized nations. No wait, not first. What's the word I'm lookin' for?...Last. And the other government services we pay for work SO efficiently, too. Great point! I hear ya, good buddy. 10-4.
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So.... I didn't even get past the first page,

BUT,

Ill bet everything that all the people talking ignorant shit to this kid are most likely :

1. Far older than this high school student.

2. Bitter about the path that they have chosen.

3. Lacking basic comprehension/communication/observation skills

4. Retarded.



and i guarantee the first guy who said "fuck you", is waaaay to old to be saying that to a high school student.


this thread is a horribly accurate representation of how things truly work.

OP, just do you, pursue art and wait until your happy and all the lost ones look at you with jealous eyes.

Stay up
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Screw paying for college. You can learn almost anything you want to learn for free! www.khanacademy.org
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The worst problem is that I get taxed up the ass to pay for ingracious little pukes like OP to get a so-so education that goes unappreciated. Why not drop out at sixteen, dig ditches for a couple of years and then join the military?
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Yeah! Like in the good ol' days when there were no child labor laws and blacks and women couldn't vote. YEEE HAWWW!!! Boy Howdy!!

Yeah, the military! Good idea! Nothin'll put hair on yer chest faster than killin' civilians with dark skin in far away lands with names ya can't pronounce to open markets for corporations. Oops! I mean "spreadin' democracy." That's spreadin' SUMthin', alright. Manure.

And your other point about since you pay taxes, people shouldn't be able to complain about the services they get in return. YEEE HAWW!!! Great point! After all, our public education system is the best in the world for first world industrialized nations. No wait, not first. What's the word I'm lookin' for?...Last. And the other government services we pay for work SO efficiently, too. Great point! I hear ya, good buddy. 10-4.
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Well said!

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39 years ago, I felt EXACTLY the same way as you OP. There is REAL LIFE and there is SCHOOL. SCHOOL cannot teach you everything there is to know about REAL LIFE. That is something you have to learn as you go. However, lucky you, the knowledge is available before you make a decision about anything. That and listening to people with experience. Your parents and family don't have all the answers either. They're living life from their own perspective - keep that in mind.

Here's an example: Soon you'll realize that BUSINESS is the BUSINESS of the entire planet. BUSINESS is brutal and only psychopaths reach it to the top (especially politicians). Everything you do is a BUSINESS, which includes your own body and its needs (clothing, shelter, food, transportation, reproduction, health, and even marriage)...EVERY SINGLE ACTION is based on SALES. Yes, you sell yourself in ways you don't even realize even if it is attracting a mate and having babies.

Unfortunately, the way this world is designed, is ALL based on MONEY. To think one can live without it is simply fooling themselves. This from a person who lived through the hippie generation - where are these people now? Broke and still passing the bong. Do want to live your life in a fog, in a tent city or under the freeway? Also, think seriously before you think of signing up for the military (visit a veteran's hospital beforehand). Talk to vets.

Then there's global vendettas such as Agenda 21, endless wars, sexually depravity, corruption at every level of society - the list is long, including schools of all venues. Become aware of all of them, starting with TV programming, chemtrails, HAARP, soul-destroying music, 'fashion', the pharma companies, GMO foods, fluoride, depleted uranium, destruction of the Gulf of Mexico and Fukushima, 9/11, the deliberate dumbing down of America - seriously you need to study these subjects as they DO influence your life every. single. day.

A person who continually educates themselves about the ways of the world, is a person who will be the best off. You can learn from the Internet - a tool that wasn't available when I was in school and I was a 4.0 throughout high school. With academic intelligence, which is all good, there's social and emotional intelligence that should be studied and valued, including reading body language, the art of face-to-face conversation (rare these days), and subtle clues from your immediate environment. Wishing these things didn't exist will not make them 'go away'. They exist.

KNOW YOUR ENEMY - learn everything what you're up against. Use your intuition. If it doesn't feel right in any situation, go with your intuition every. single. time.

OTOH, advanced-placement classes (such as higher math) along with the arts and classical/jazz music, are excellent as they change your brain patterns for the better. You will think in patterns which help with decoding the world around you. It is an extreme advantage over those whose thinking revolves around a six-pack of beer, mindless sex, Dancing with the Stars or NASCAR.

Yes, college is expensive but take courses that will help you get a JOB - highly recommended are the medical profession, cybersecurity, information technology - even trade schools that offer auto mechanics, electrician, etc. No liberal arts, underwater basketweaving, whatever - you want to make yourself available to those who will HAVE to PAY for your knowledge and skills, ESPECIALLY in these financial times. Learn outdoor survival skills, how to grow a garden, first aid, and how to barter.

You can't live on peace and bliss and good will to all - it doesn't work that way on this planet. Yep, it sucks but that the way it is. Happiness in strictly determined by each individual - even psychopaths are said to be VERY happy with their lifestyles. That's another heads-up to you. Study human behavior - it'll save you a lot of misery. Trust me on that one. Expect to feel lonely and abandoned during your journey but rejoice if you find others of like mind.

Good luck to you OP. hf
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Screw paying for college. You can learn almost anything you want to learn for free! www.khanacademy.org
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Yea, but many great jobs require that piece of paper known to many of us as a diploma. But I agree, if someone is good with the net, they can have a bachelors in whatever they want.

In my opinion, school depends a lot on the individual student. Yes there are teachers that push students in the right direction and make high expectations which is a good, but a student is only going to get as far or as much as they want. If kids work hard and actually try, they can still get a great education in this country. The problem is most do not want to. People can put the blame of the problems with our educational system on whomever they wish (Yes there are problems, I understand), but the reality is that they need to be the responsible ones if they wish to obtain the most from their opportunity.

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Please know that I laugh whenever I see an asshurt post like this.
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Nothing "asshurt" about it, kiddo.

Whining about how you don't like school? Please. You reveal yourself to be immature, shallow and irrelevant. You're almost old enough to be an adult. Start acting like it.
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So says the idiot AC that responded to the OP's main post with 'Fuck you.' How mature, deep and relevant you are.
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Everything this kid has said is true.

Kids now are not taught things they should really know. Can you add more than 4 numbers in your head without a calculator? Can you speed read and retain 90% of what you read? Can you write in cursive? Can you fill out a check correctly?

Things that used to be taught in school are no longer taught, the US educational system is nothing more than that, a system, that push kids through, with no ability to think on their own, no individual thought process or self expression. Everyone is forced to dress alike (dress codes) talk alike, think alike, and if you go against the system you are a trouble maker.

History is spoon feed to kids now, they learn only what the system wants them to learn. Kids now have no clue were they live. I have seen first hand kids who get confused at the difference between town, county, state and country and Continent. You would not believe how many think Africa is a country.

My kids learned more from me than they did in school. The OP is right on everything they said and I'm glad some kids are waking up to the fact the system is broke and no matter how much money you throw at it, it can't be fixed. Needs to go back to teaching the way it was 70 years ago. Our grand parents are smarter than the average high senior.
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You know what the sad part is, some of our grandparents have FORGOTTEN what they once knew. I feel pressure from my grandma to conform for example and probably not alone. It's sad how even some of them have been brainwashed.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

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AMEN AMEN AMEN!

7 YEARS OF MY LIFE WERE A LIVING HELL BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAID!, YOU NAILED IT ON THE HEAD!
BRAVO FRIEND, BRAVO!!!

Although, 1 thing you didn't mention was the bullying. There is so much bullying that all the children that are actually smart get bullied and called an idiot for not doing their tedious slave prep work.

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Oh this is ANOTHER thing. Kids are NOT allowed to defend themselves and it leaves them woefully unprepared for the times when they are going to have to. I would know, as I mentioned earlier I was bullied terribly in school and I never did fight back, didn't have the courage, didn't want to get into trouble, etc. To this day, I sincerely wish I had. It drives me now to want to be stronger, to learn to take up for myself so that if I ever have to, or have to defend someone else I can.

Teaching these kids to ALWAYS rely on someone else to fight their battles for them does them a TREMENDOUS disservice. If they don't learn to defend themselves then, what are they gonna do when no one else is around and they're on their own? I think ALL kids should have some sort of self defense training, and ALL kids should be allowed to stand up against aggressors to fight back.

It is ABSURD, that if someone starts a fight, the one who simply is acting out of self defense is punished to the exact same degree as the one who started it. You wanna discourage bullying? Give the bullier a bigger punishment for bullying, LET the bullier get a taste of his or her own medicine if they start a fight. All this "zero tolerance" bullshit basically gives them free reign to do anything they want with little fear of consequences, while the bullied can only sit there and take it if they want to stay of trouble.

No one wins in a scenario like that, the bullier doesn't learn anything, doesn't learn any consequences for bad behavior, and the bullied doesn't learn how to take up for themselves or learn to become stronger. I would know as a product of that mindset.

And anyway, I personally believe that we demonize fighting a lot more than we ought to. Some may disagree with these, as it is not exactly the most popular thing to say in a society that bends over backwards to try and protect its' children even if doing so stunts their own growth emotional and physical both, but I believe we do.

When you put all these kids together in one place, you WILL have conflicts, it's just a fact. Not everyone is going to get along, no matter how much you may want them to. To try and FORCE them to even when they can't or won't just causes more problems than it fixes, because what ends up happening is, all the tension and anger builds bigger and bigger for lack of an outlet to release it.

I honestly think the school environment would be much much better if, instead of suppressing all this emotion and discouraging even a hint of it from coming out, the kids were allowed to let it out from time to time in a controlled setting. If two kids decide they want to fight, let them. You'd wanna supervise it of course so that it doesn't get overly out of hand where one or both would get hurt, but let them get it out of their systems instead of forcing them to hold it in.

All that does to me is just makes things worse, because the feelings still will be there, nothing will be solved, and the clash will still probably happen, except when it does it will be FAR worse than if you had let them fight the first time they had a problem. Maybe you wouldn't get the murders, the gun violence, the stabbings, etc that you see so frequently among youth IF the issues were allowed to be settled the moment they started instead of left to build and fester. You may even end up with some of these supposed enemies becoming friends for having the chance, though not always of course.

Just my two cents, I don't expect everyone to understand or agree, but that's how I see things now. I think sometimes we expect this perfect behavior of people.....even adults really, what I say here doesn't just apply to kids, when it's just not realistic.

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No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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FORCED socialization with emphasis on
the material status (CASTE) that you have been born into, and how you rank among your peers.
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If you were my child, I would be proud of you. I see you on the road of success!

Excellent post!
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Thanks for the kind words!
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It's not a kindness for someone to praise you for your inane whinings.
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