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Are people capable of self governance?

 
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Yes. Once they understand that every thought, word and action has its exact re-action and that everything originates from a Creator who sees, hears and knows every thing, and Who desires only for Creation to return to their original state of innocence, they will cease to do harm to self or another.
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Re: Are people capable of self governance?
Of course yes.
Intelligent normal people have no problem governing themselves, we are doing it right now. Unfortunately there is an asshole on every street corner, and lots of idiots that listen to them.
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Your asking the wrong question.

Natural law is capable of governing humans quite quite effectively. Man in a natural system is and complete self governance with no middle men.

that was the vision of the Founding fathers, the original idea set out by the creator
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19521204


The "Founding fathers" where liberal humanists and deists. They practiced the "Religion of Humanity", or "Humanitarianism", which is opposed to the "doctrine of Christ". They believed that human nature was perfectible through man's own efforts, through the application of the "human way of thinking" to make adjustments in the moral sense of the nation. One can see and hear, plainly, that these adjustments are opposed to the Laws of God, and are in fact meant to usurp the Authority of the Most High God in a most rebellious way.
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That is just a flat out lie. Many of the signers of the declaration of Independence, writers of the Constitution, and first generation Presidents were devoted Christians. George Washington was a Christian. That doesn't mean they all were, but it is a lie to say that they were humanist and diests like Judeao-Christian beliefs had nothing to do with the founding of this country.
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Please read a history book. Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian and the founders who were, were nothing like the fundamentalist, ignorant automatons of today. They were well read and capable of critical thought not perverted by Christian fundamentalism.
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If the founders were the Christian, wet dream modern bible thumpers believe them to be, the US would have been formed as a theocracy. The only part of the constitution in regards to religion is the freedom to practice whatever religion you like. Just because some of the founders leaned Christian, does not equal a Christian theocracy.

Black people invented peanut butter, but does that make it a black food? Same goes for the people who created the country. Not to mention they were not all Christian.
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I didn't answer the poll because it is not a simple yes or no answer.

Some can...those blessed with a keen intellect, deductive reasoning and critical thinking skills...you know...those things they are NOT teaching the children in public schools anymore.

That being said, I do still believe in the principles our founding fathers followed when attempting to construct a fair and stable system of governing.

"IF" people could get off the dole, they would open their eyes to the brilliance of a Liberty based society where free markets allow each and every person the opportunity to do well if they apply themselves. However, the system is bent and it's entrapped millions and brain washed them into believing they need those gov handouts in order to survive. (Which is a double edged sword...they do...because the system is legally broken and doesn't allow true free enterprise anymore).

You cannot legislate morality or good will toward your fellow man...but you can remove legislation that ties him up and binds him to the point of being incapable of self reliance.
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YEs...they are completely capable of it.
But it requires a perspective that not many people choose to view life from.
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Your asking the wrong question.

Natural law is capable of governing humans quite quite effectively. Man in a natural system is and complete self governance with no middle men.

that was the vision of the Founding fathers, the original idea set out by the creator
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19521204


The "Founding fathers" where liberal humanists and deists. They practiced the "Religion of Humanity", or "Humanitarianism", which is opposed to the "doctrine of Christ". They believed that human nature was perfectible through man's own efforts, through the application of the "human way of thinking" to make adjustments in the moral sense of the nation. One can see and hear, plainly, that these adjustments are opposed to the Laws of God, and are in fact meant to usurp the Authority of the Most High God in a most rebellious way.
 Quoting: LanMan


That is just a flat out lie. Many of the signers of the declaration of Independence, writers of the Constitution, and first generation Presidents were devoted Christians. George Washington was a Christian. That doesn't mean they all were, but it is a lie to say that they were humanist and diests like Judeao-Christian beliefs had nothing to do with the founding of this country.
 Quoting: Resister



Please read a history book. Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian and the founders who were, were nothing like the fundamentalist, ignorant automatons of today. They were well read and capable of critical thought not perverted by Christian fundamentalism.
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They were all Freemasons with perhaps the exception of Thomas Jefferson who may not have been a card holding Freemason, but he definitely kept very close company with them and their doctrines.
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To believe that people aren't capable of self-governance is to be authoritarian, either communist or fascist, and to believe that people are basically bad. I believe that humanity is basically good, and therefore capable of self-government.

That said, there are times when Plato's notion of Philosopher Kings, wise incorruptible leaders who rule impeccably with lots of personal freedom for their subjects, seems appealing also.
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i say 100% yes!
BUT in our current paradigm it would be damn hard.
people are stupid nowadays.

"a person is smart, people are stupid" (K, Men in Black)
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I know what you mean, but who else would govern?? The animals?
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white people, yes
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racist much?

Look, I enjoy a good discussion even if I disagree, but that crap has no place in this thread.
 Quoting: Resister


what if he is right?
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People are individuals. There is no denying the pre-modern geographic separation and thus cultural and physical differences between the races, but each person is still an individual who is capable of independent thought, growth, success, and failure.

Whether the savage is from the this or that continent, they are capable learning, adapting, and correcting their own behavior. Whether the civilized person is from this or that continent they are still capable of violent, criminal, and mentally deranged behavior. It is up to each individual to chose for themselves whether they will follow the crowd that surrounds them or to be their own person and chose for themselves who they will be.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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No, that's why we have so many idiots in school.
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Yep, absolutely.


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Your asking the wrong question.

Natural law is capable of governing humans quite quite effectively. Man in a natural system is and complete self governance with no middle men.

that was the vision of the Founding fathers, the original idea set out by the creator
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19521204


The "Founding fathers" where liberal humanists and deists. They practiced the "Religion of Humanity", or "Humanitarianism", which is opposed to the "doctrine of Christ". They believed that human nature was perfectible through man's own efforts, through the application of the "human way of thinking" to make adjustments in the moral sense of the nation. One can see and hear, plainly, that these adjustments are opposed to the Laws of God, and are in fact meant to usurp the Authority of the Most High God in a most rebellious way.
 Quoting: LanMan


That is just a flat out lie. Many of the signers of the declaration of Independence, writers of the Constitution, and first generation Presidents were devoted Christians. George Washington was a Christian. That doesn't mean they all were, but it is a lie to say that they were humanist and diests like Judeao-Christian beliefs had nothing to do with the founding of this country.
 Quoting: Resister



Please read a history book. Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian and the founders who were, were nothing like the fundamentalist, ignorant automatons of today. They were well read and capable of critical thought not perverted by Christian fundamentalism.
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History was one of my favorite subjects in school. I learned not only by reading history books, but by also being able to discern the truth from a lie told by biased agenda driven people.

George Washington's first act as the first President of the United States was to lead the legislators who were willing down the street from where he was enagurated to the nearest church to pray a blessing and dedication on this nation. There certainly may have been those who refused to participate. It would have been their right not to. But it was also the right and intent of many of the founding fathers to live their lives and govern from the Judeo-Christian values they founded this nation on.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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natural law created humans...we could good do a lot worse than follow a model based on nature.something diverse yet fully integrated.balanced,efficient and sustainable.nature being such a susccessful model,it is history.the current system is at war with nature trying to control it.trying to resolve the problems of expansionism and technology,with more expansionism and more technology.
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And yet is not all
that is man made
natural too?

Are we not a part
of nature too?

To isolate that
which men make
from the whole
that is
does much
disservice
to earthlings
and our
contribution
to
that which is
imho
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absolutely but there is point of distinction between synthetic and natural.things that dont return back to a natural state.imho
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From a relative POV
the synthetic may
not seem natural.

What makes a synthetic
object or substance?

Show me an un-natural
constituant of anything
synthetic
and I will acknowledge
the distinction you
ascribe to.

peace
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lol i didnt quite think that through.i was thinking something like depleted uranium or baths salts,europa[synthetic lsd],synthetic marijuana which are chemical modifications.plastic disintegrates,cloning,tranhumanism is still materially bonded.so i guess i am making a judgement of what i relate to as being natural[godlike] or anti natural[satanic]things that cause natural systems into an unsustainable situation or forces the system to correct itself or adapt as a result of toxicity.so from a relative pov,i concede the point.

regardless cloning and transhumanism is bad mmkay.
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YEs...they are completely capable of it.
But it requires a perspective that not many people choose to view life from.
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ohyeah

hf
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Re: Are people capable of self governance?
I know I am.

Do I morally deserve the right too? Yes

Am I given that right? No

Isn't that oppression? Yup, your learning.
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NO NO NO NO NO the truth is NO...

In fact in this year... the lack of MORAL BEHAVOR runs rapid.

For my VAST Experience NO.

I own a small training center. Several times when I had too many people's coming in too fast.... did not REGISTER.

I would stand and ASK for them to come back to the desk and REGISTER.

GUESS WHAT... no one comes.

So, I find out who it was... and must PERSONALLY ASK THEM to come back to the desk to register.

NO NO NO NO NO

They think they will SLIP in and take a CLASS for FREE...

10 years of EXPEREICE.. .it happens frequently.

Are people capable of self governance? Yes or no. Reasons why please.

An AC from here somewhere here in the United States posted the following comment today. “I'm absolutely convinced people are incapable of governing themselves.” A couple of centuries of self governance here in America had completely proven otherwise. Self governance is not only possible, it gave us the freedom to become most successful nation on the planet. BUT that doesn’t mean it will last forever.

People absolutely are capable of self governance... within the framework of a constitutional republic (which is rule by law) and by a people who adhere to basic moral standards (like the ones found in the Bill of Rights). John Adams, second president of the United States, was asked what kind of constitution we had. His reply was that, “the Constitution for the United States was written for a moral and upright people and is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other”. That is what makes self governance work. As a constitutional republic of “moral and upright people”, the United States was the world's most successful self-governing nation for a couple of centuries. We managed to remain free, save large portions of the rest of the world from tyranny, achieve the highest standard of living in the world, the highest levels of technology, and we were the world’s lone economic and military superpower.

Anyone upset about the use of past tense in that last paragraph needs to stop and take a candid look around you. We are not the moral nation we once were and we are paying the price for abandoning our founding principles. The lie of democracy has taken root in the immorality of hedonism. “If it feels good do it” has translated into “if you want it vote for it” no matter whether it is wrong or unconstitutional or violates the very founding principles of our nation. That is the difference between a functioning constitutional republic and the free-for-all lawlessness of a democracy.

To be self governing you first have to have and adhere to moral and upright principles. Sadly, most people just don’t have those any more. It isn’t the practice of self governance that has failed. It is the abandonment of the principles of that system that has failed.

More here: [link to line-in-the-sand.blogspot.com]
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Not without a higher level understanding and intellect. Too dumbed down now to be capable.
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Answer = NO

Major lesson God is trying to teach mankind.

Psalm 118:8 "It is better to trust in the Lord
Than to put confidence in man."

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I thought we were made in his image!whatever
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What a stupid question! Lol.

Who do you think was in charge before we decided to make certain people kings and queens, rofl.


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Uhhhh, the guy with the biggest club?
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Yes, people are capable of Self-governance,
but many would rather indulge a helpless victim mentality and surrender to an "Authority" figure...
that's how this world got into the mess it's now in today.


I personally am capable of Self-governance, but obviously not everyone desires the responsibility.


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Yes, but they want you to beleave other wise.

How you perceive a situation is more important than the real truth of a situation. With that concept alone they govern over you for your own good and tax you to help you!
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Are people capable of self governance? Yes or no. Reasons why please.

An AC from here somewhere here in the United States posted the following comment today. “I'm absolutely convinced people are incapable of governing themselves.” A couple of centuries of self governance here in America had completely proven otherwise. Self governance is not only possible, it gave us the freedom to become most successful nation on the planet. BUT that doesn’t mean it will last forever.

People absolutely are capable of self governance... within the framework of a constitutional republic (which is rule by law) and by a people who adhere to basic moral standards (like the ones found in the Bill of Rights). John Adams, second president of the United States, was asked what kind of constitution we had. His reply was that, “the Constitution for the United States was written for a moral and upright people and is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other”. That is what makes self governance work. As a constitutional republic of “moral and upright people”, the United States was the world's most successful self-governing nation for a couple of centuries. We managed to remain free, save large portions of the rest of the world from tyranny, achieve the highest standard of living in the world, the highest levels of technology, and we were the world’s lone economic and military superpower.

Anyone upset about the use of past tense in that last paragraph needs to stop and take a candid look around you. We are not the moral nation we once were and we are paying the price for abandoning our founding principles. The lie of democracy has taken root in the immorality of hedonism. “If it feels good do it” has translated into “if you want it vote for it” no matter whether it is wrong or unconstitutional or violates the very founding principles of our nation. That is the difference between a functioning constitutional republic and the free-for-all lawlessness of a democracy.

To be self governing you first have to have and adhere to moral and upright principles. Sadly, most people just don’t have those any more. It isn’t the practice of self governance that has failed. It is the abandonment of the principles of that system that has failed.

More here: [link to line-in-the-sand.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Resister


Its a matter of education and learning, a matter of expansion.
Once you get a some point you don't need the laws or government, you will know what is better or worse for you, how to obtain it by good means.
Government make the people to stay in the status quo because they dont want the people to suceed and be independent beings.
Self-govern start with free education from high school up to doctorate. No fees, no tuition to pay.
Self-govern start with free communication and electrical access. No need to pay anymore for something is over-abundant.
Government want the people slave to the electrical grid, not helping people to have independent electricity, because they are thinking in their money always, not really in people.
Free cell communication, free internet, free electricity, free education, and so on.
Self-government start with disengage from the companies and entities that contain over-regulated work environments where the producer is criminalized, while filling the pockets of those who do little in the high positions.

Neither favors companies that do not allow or encourage the free expression of creativity at all levels of work, especially those using dual language, who falsely speaks in favor of the employee while held them under a vicious cycle of work almost to the level of a machine.

For the same reason, self goverment start with believing in the dignity of individuals regardless of their social status, and believing in the potential to grow and transcend their own products or systems.

To self-government you will need to be against the systems or products that want to perpetuate themselves as a means of enriching themselves, especially if there are more alternatives that can benefit mankind and the environment.


Self goverment is a matter of believe that growth and prosperity, the expansion of knowledge, the stimulation and continuous development of creativity and intuition and the basic needs like medicine, food, water, electricity and all sort of communications should be accessible, uncorrupted and FREE to all, without enslaving the people or use them as puppets in systems, contracts or other trivialities.

America's people didn't self-govern yet.
The entire world is run on petroleum, that's the best evidence we are not yet self-governed people.
People with self-governed minds would ask for an international recall of cars to properly change their engines to other technologies that don't expell gases.
Not electric cars! There are engines that run even in just water.
Even the supposedly "green" ways of today are not green.
Natural Gas is not green.
Electric cars are not green.
Everything "green" that is manufactured in a way you have to pay a lot is not green neither. It is just Elites making their business. Apple is succesful in doing those things: making amazing technology expensive, and people addicted to them to the point they want to pay higher prices for a product that probably cost less than $50 bucks when you have the raw material in your front.

People with self-governed minds would boycott gas stations until they force the change to a real green world.
Self-governed people are not the 99% but less than the 20%.
Because America 79% of people are super-consumers, super-wasters, super-addicted to the system.
You can't convert those people into self-governed beings.
That the reason the Elite use them, they think they buy and do what they want but they are doing and wanting what the Elites want for them. And the worst thing is they don't realize this. Then they think they are the 99% and started protests but they way to control the Elites are not protesting but by passive and massive boycotts.
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People, as they currently exist are NOT capable of self-governance.

But, this is by design of the "people farmers" who currently control us.

If every child were initiated into the purest, ancient spiritual teachings and endeavored to become enlightened by age 16 or so, THEN and ONLY THEN could people govern themselves.

The reason for the lack of ability to self-govern is selfishness. Pure and simple.

As long as everybody is dedicated to acting in their own self interest instead of the interest of the whole, there will always be exploitation and crime.

It's really that simple.
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right now, with the current pharma running through their veins and the dependency and co-dependency issues that are plaguing so many? No.

the ties would need to be broken and people would have to be able to realize that their strength lies within.

i'm afraid it would take some kind of major disaster for this to happen. to shake people out of their current thinking and patterns.

then, Yes.
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Why dont we get congress to vote on this..LOL
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The "Founding fathers" where liberal humanists and deists. They practiced the "Religion of Humanity", or "Humanitarianism", which is opposed to the "doctrine of Christ". They believed that human nature was perfectible through man's own efforts, through the application of the "human way of thinking" to make adjustments in the moral sense of the nation. One can see and hear, plainly, that these adjustments are opposed to the Laws of God, and are in fact meant to usurp the Authority of the Most High God in a most rebellious way.
 Quoting: LanMan


That is just a flat out lie. Many of the signers of the declaration of Independence, writers of the Constitution, and first generation Presidents were devoted Christians. George Washington was a Christian. That doesn't mean they all were, but it is a lie to say that they were humanist and diests like Judeao-Christian beliefs had nothing to do with the founding of this country.
 Quoting: Resister



Please read a history book. Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian and the founders who were, were nothing like the fundamentalist, ignorant automatons of today. They were well read and capable of critical thought not perverted by Christian fundamentalism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19512303


They were all Freemasons with perhaps the exception of Thomas Jefferson who may not have been a card holding Freemason, but he definitely kept very close company with them and their doctrines.
 Quoting: noteworthy


They were all Chistians, and belonged to conventional churches. The stories about being diests and athiests were started by progressives that want discredit them and use the revised history for their own agenda. If you are truly interested in learning about our founding fathers, please take the free course at Hillsdale College.

[link to constitution.hillsdale.edu]

You will learn a lot about who they were and why they did what they did. You will also learn how their words are being twisted around by politcians for their own purposes. I think every America should take the course, it might make them understand why we so fucked up today.
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Are people capable of self governance? Yes or no. Reasons why please.

An AC from here somewhere here in the United States posted the following comment today. “I'm absolutely convinced people are incapable of governing themselves.” A couple of centuries of self governance here in America had completely proven otherwise. Self governance is not only possible, it gave us the freedom to become most successful nation on the planet. BUT that doesn’t mean it will last forever.

People absolutely are capable of self governance... within the framework of a constitutional republic (which is rule by law) and by a people who adhere to basic moral standards (like the ones found in the Bill of Rights). John Adams, second president of the United States, was asked what kind of constitution we had. His reply was that, “the Constitution for the United States was written for a moral and upright people and is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other”. That is what makes self governance work. As a constitutional republic of “moral and upright people”, the United States was the world's most successful self-governing nation for a couple of centuries. We managed to remain free, save large portions of the rest of the world from tyranny, achieve the highest standard of living in the world, the highest levels of technology, and we were the world’s lone economic and military superpower.

Anyone upset about the use of past tense in that last paragraph needs to stop and take a candid look around you. We are not the moral nation we once were and we are paying the price for abandoning our founding principles. The lie of democracy has taken root in the immorality of hedonism. “If it feels good do it” has translated into “if you want it vote for it” no matter whether it is wrong or unconstitutional or violates the very founding principles of our nation. That is the difference between a functioning constitutional republic and the free-for-all lawlessness of a democracy.

To be self governing you first have to have and adhere to moral and upright principles. Sadly, most people just don’t have those any more. It isn’t the practice of self governance that has failed. It is the abandonment of the principles of that system that has failed.

More here: [link to line-in-the-sand.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Resister


Now? No, they can not. But possible.
Its way to late to even try. It takes decades if not centuries to change this state of mind. Yes, we were there at one point. But the whole infrastructure was changed. And now you have a multitude more people to deal with than small farm or mining towns. Crime is and was no different then to now. Rape, murder and robbery. Simply happens all over the world. And more people, more crime. Less people, less crime. Crime just exists.

To many people rely on someone else for such things. They want someone else to make decisions for them without them having to even think about it. One problem there though, lack of input. As well as a lack of listening or interest.

There will always have to be someone in charge as well. Not everyone is actually capable, buy choice or not, to make the right decisions. But this leader needs to listen to his people in what they have to say or any input on any issue.

On top of that, it is pretty much a job. And everyone has a job. One persons or a groups job is to ensure the area stays clean. Another ensures the water keeps flowing. While another ensures the safety of the group. Then you have one or a group that makes final decisions based on the entirety of the group and their input. In the old days these were wise men. Listening to the pros and cons of the situation. And then decide if it is best for the group or not.

Even before a government was established each little city or town had someone that led them and governed them as well as had laws/rules to follow.

I mean technically the system has the right chains of command if you look closer. But it is in shambles and no longer working. The people are not working together, instead independently for their own interests. Also unlike small tribes which are easy to maintain, you are dealing with massive amounts of people with completely different interests in mind and incapable of diplomatically solving them. Most rather scream and yell and not listen to a word you have to say. Only regarding to things that really matter. There will always be disagreement. And where there is disagreement comes conflict.

There is not one race in the Universe that does not have some sort of 'Government' or 'Leader(s)' they follow and makes decisions. Even animals have pack leaders they follow.

There are just way to many people on this planet.
And as you grow, your problems grow.
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Re: Are people capable of self governance?
No, because of both the numbers of folks on this planet, and great immaturity. Also the monetary system will now allow of it. But its the goal someday, we do not have enough yet self governing their own behavior.

For self governance, the people must alighn with the folks who manage planets, the Prince and staff and our deflected to Lucifer and the Adam and Eve mission was destroyed also.

Planets do not ever enter into peace and mature behavior without advice and oversite from the celestial management teams, NEVER. The teams ARE back, the planet has been returned to "heaven" so to speak, but the planet must be cleansed, and undergo some of the earth changes, and we have to move people to others places, we have too many.

In the future, hundreds of years at least, man will sort of self govern, but will still need celestial support and it is never free of government in the one sense but there will be elected councils to deal with trade and decision making but nothing like this monster that has control of the planet now. There always has to be leaders beloveds on global worlds, always.

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