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Are people capable of self governance?

 
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I said yes -- But I don't believe on a large collective scale.. otherwise things go wacky like we see today.

That and people loose their moral compass .. and begin not caring (or being lazy) to actually self govern and leave that to their corporate overloads that control every aspect of their lives with the absolute obedience of government.

I believe the only way for any segment of society to return to having fruitful lives and securing their futures is to leave the behemoth we have now or somehow find a way to turn society itself around before it smashes into a wall.
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right now, with the current pharma running through their veins and the dependency and co-dependency issues that are plaguing so many? No.

the ties would need to be broken and people would have to be able to realize that their strength lies within.

i'm afraid it would take some kind of major disaster for this to happen. to shake people out of their current thinking and patterns.

then, Yes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4494441


Boycott Pharma.
Control the Elites.
They will refuse at first to cut prices down.
Don't allow Elites to escape.
As cowards and selfish beings they will just quit when the people by massive boycotts try to control them.
Leaving the people alone, and begging for a comeback.
They know by leaving the people alone they will kill and devore each other.
Don't put those criminals in jail!
Put them to work as slaves, just only them.
I dream of a new world where manufacturing will be almost entire controlled by robotic machines and the people work only to accomplish their creative desires.

If 79% of the 99% are addicted to the system, there is no way to convert them.
They born in the system they die by the system.
A major disaster like having no electricity for 10 years will not shake those 79% minds.
What will do is the opposite: they will became animals figthing and murdering for a bag of ice.
The only thing you can do is either boycott, prepare or wait until the system falls.
s. d. butler

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To believe that people aren't capable of self-governance is to be authoritarian, either communist or fascist, and to believe that people are basically bad. I believe that humanity is basically good, and therefore capable of self-government.

That said, there are times when Plato's notion of Philosopher Kings, wise incorruptible leaders who rule impeccably with lots of personal freedom for their subjects, seems appealing also.
 Quoting: Little Bee


The only problem with that is you are asking for people to be ruled by a person drawn from the very ranks of those who are incapable of self rule.

There are no "wise, incorruptible leaders" there are only men with all the flaws already built in.

That is why these "leaders" that people seem to need so desperately, must be restrained, bound by the chains of a constitution that actually works.

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its not even a question.people are absolutely capable of self governance,the question is,IS SOCIETY TODAY AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE SELF GOVERNANCE IS POSSIBLE?.and its not but its a problem with the model, not with us. statism and corporatism creates what it needs to remain relevant.its a parasitic authoritarian system.




i apologize for my writing,i wanted to say much more.
 Quoting: miserkocho


Nicely said. The statists and parasites who have gotten the upper hand have to be overcome. Before true self governance can take place.

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Yup. Vampires at the top, blood sucking ticks at the bottom.
In his book, "Between Two Ages," Brzezinski wrote: "The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values."

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s. d. butler

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It really does not matter if they are capable or not. There must be freedom even if it means a billion people kill each other off in the process. If we must be ruled over, then we might as well end it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19498359


Yes. People seem to be terrified of what they think anarchy is. It actually means no rulers, NOT no rules.

Most of our daily life is conducted in anarchy. We make peaceful exchanges every day. We don't aggress against other people every day. We follow rules of civilized behavior. And it isn't because of government that we do these things.


It is in the interests of government to promulgate the idea that without government people descend into savagery.

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And yet is not all
that is man made
natural too?

Are we not a part
of nature too?

To isolate that
which men make
from the whole
that is
does much
disservice
to earthlings
and our
contribution
to
that which is
imho
 Quoting: fellowearthling


absolutely but there is point of distinction between synthetic and natural.things that dont return back to a natural state.imho
 Quoting: miserkocho


From a relative POV
the synthetic may
not seem natural.

What makes a synthetic
object or substance?

Show me an un-natural
constituant of anything
synthetic
and I will acknowledge
the distinction you
ascribe to.

peace
 Quoting: fellowearthling

lol i didnt quite think that through.i was thinking something like depleted uranium or baths salts,europa[synthetic lsd],synthetic marijuana which are chemical modifications.plastic disintegrates,cloning,tranhumanism is still materially bonded.so i guess i am making a judgement of what i relate to as being natural[godlike] or anti natural[satanic]things that cause natural systems into an unsustainable situation or forces the system to correct itself or adapt as a result of toxicity.so from a relative pov,i concede the point.

regardless cloning and transhumanism is bad mmkay.
 Quoting: miserkocho


How can one even argue "natural" and "unnatural"?

Humans are natural beings who creat things out of natural resources.

Therefore, everything created by Man is natural.

Don't delude yourself so much to seperate yourself from your primative state.
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miserkocho

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absolutely but there is point of distinction between synthetic and natural.things that dont return back to a natural state.imho
 Quoting: miserkocho


From a relative POV
the synthetic may
not seem natural.

What makes a synthetic
object or substance?

Show me an un-natural
constituant of anything
synthetic
and I will acknowledge
the distinction you
ascribe to.

peace
 Quoting: fellowearthling

lol i didnt quite think that through.i was thinking something like depleted uranium or baths salts,europa[synthetic lsd],synthetic marijuana which are chemical modifications.plastic disintegrates,cloning,tranhumanism is still materially bonded.so i guess i am making a judgement of what i relate to as being natural[godlike] or anti natural[satanic]things that cause natural systems into an unsustainable situation or forces the system to correct itself or adapt as a result of toxicity.so from a relative pov,i concede the point.

regardless cloning and transhumanism is bad mmkay.
 Quoting: miserkocho


How can one even argue "natural" and "unnatural"?

Humans are natural beings who creat things out of natural resources.

Therefore, everything created by Man is natural.

Don't delude yourself so much to seperate yourself from your primative state.
 Quoting: EvenT6HorizoN


yes and im not,im merely pointing out there is balance and imbalance which applies to everything,especially power.
it makes sense why they would want us to believe in an alien origin but even still its hard to make a distinction.natural\unnatural.

Last Edited by miserkocho on 07/12/2012 02:54 AM
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Didn't work very well in mad max!

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