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Yet another lame video posted as ABSOLUTE TRUTH of so-called chemtrails.

 
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Yet another lame video posted as ABSOLUTE TRUTH of so-called chemtrails.
OK, this is the video:





But here is a question for the more discerning.

YOU PEOPLE claim they are "spraying" nano particle barium, aluminum, etc.

But look at the video at about 2:12. There you see a ValueJet at close up with what is claimed is a chemtrail.

Notice that it doesn't become visible until at least 30 to 50 feet BEHIND whatever is supposedly spraying it.

NOPE...

if they actually WERE spraying actual powder it would be visible THE MOMENT it left the nozzle.

This is also borne out by aircraft using skywriting equipment. The smoke is visible right as it comes out the nozzle.

No...

what you are seeing is moisture already in the air undergoing a phase change.

You people are friggen clueless.
"Everybody lies."
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Do you have any idea how many patents are NEVER used?

That's really weak.
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Do you have any idea how many patents are NEVER used?

That's really weak.
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How is a presenting a US patent that discredits your claim weak?

lol
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Do you have any idea how many patents are NEVER used?

That's really weak.
 Quoting: G. House


How is a presenting a US patent that discredits your claim weak?

lol
 Quoting: wisc_natureboy


That is what I was thinking too.

Not worth arguing with OP over though.

Not worth it one bit.
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One white, one black.


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OP your just another ignorant Human who refuses 2 open their eyes

I pray 4 u hf
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Do you have any idea how many patents are NEVER used?

That's really weak.
 Quoting: G. House


How is a presenting a US patent that discredits your claim weak?

lol
 Quoting: wisc_natureboy


Standard tactic to obfuscate.

Entirely ignore what I said and bring up something else.

WHY is the supposed aluminum, barium, etc. invisible for 30 to 50 feet? If it really was there YOU WOULD SEE IT IMMEDIATELY as it left the supposed nozzles.

I'll tell you why though.

All you are seeing there is moisture that's already in the air changing phase or going from moisture to ice particle.

But go ahead with your patent BS, it's what you people do.
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OP your just another ignorant Human who refuses 2 open their eyes

I pray 4 u hf
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No I REALLY looked at the video with open eyes and EXPLAINED whats what to you.

Sorry you can't understand it.
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this video in the OP posts must be truth, other wise why would he try to debunk it so desperatly

TRUTH
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...But go ahead with your patent BS, it's what you people do.
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Oh too funny.
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One white, one black.


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Care to explain why these powders are invisible for 30 to 50 feet?

Why do you avoid answering?

I don't think you have an answer.
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One white, one black.


blackcontrail3
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One white, one black.


blackcontrail3
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You want me to explain this photo?

The sun angle is very shallow, looks like close to evening.

The bright wide contrail is higher than the dark one and the dark one is not lit by the Sun. There is also another band of dark cloud at a lower altitude that is visible horizontally in the photo.

You have to think in three dimensions to get it.

Last Edited by G. House on 07/11/2012 09:09 PM
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It's what you people do.... LOL.
OP is an idiot or a shill... By guess is both.


It's actually what "you do".
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It's what you people do.... LOL.
OP is an idiot or a shill... By guess is both.


It's actually what "you do".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19584234


Sorry guy...

if YOU believe in the chemtrail hoax, frankly you're to ignorant to converse with.
"Everybody lies."
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...But go ahead with your patent BS, it's what you people do.
 Quoting: G. House


Oh too funny.
 Quoting: wisc_natureboy


Then tell me why I'm wrong about what I said about the powder being visible.

You people don't have anything.
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...But go ahead with your patent BS, it's what you people do.
 Quoting: G. House


Oh too funny.
 Quoting: wisc_natureboy


Then tell me why I'm wrong about what I said about the powder being visible.

You people don't have anything.
 Quoting: G. House


First off, you never answered my initial direct question to you.

So, why then would I even be inclined to engage in conversation
with someone who makes it clear from the get go,
the conversation will be one-sided?

I made no claims.
I merely posted a US patent, and then an interesting pic I snapped.

As for your question, It sure looks like the thin dark trail
near the top of the pick was at as high an elevation as the dissipating white one.

Frankly when I snapped the pic I was focusing on the dark dissipating one dropping rapidly.
I'd never seen anything like that before.
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No one buys your BS anymore, traitor.
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OK, this is the video:





But here is a question for the more discerning.

YOU PEOPLE claim they are "spraying" nano particle barium, aluminum, etc.

But look at the video at about 2:12. There you see a ValueJet at close up with what is claimed is a chemtrail.

Notice that it doesn't become visible until at least 30 to 50 feet BEHIND whatever is supposedly spraying it.

NOPE...

if they actually WERE spraying actual powder it would be visible THE MOMENT it left the nozzle.

This is also borne out by aircraft using skywriting equipment. The smoke is visible right as it comes out the nozzle.

No...

what you are seeing is moisture already in the air undergoing a phase change.

You people are friggen clueless.
 Quoting: G. House


If the particulate are fuel additives you would expect exactly what you are seeing . . . the aerosols within the exhaust act as nuclei (when there is adequate humidity in the ambient air) for the formation of water droplets which freeze almost instantaneously and form visible ice particles but this action is delayed enough to show a separation between the craft and the trail . . . This has been researched repeatedly using different concentrations of sulfur compounds and different engine efficiencies. . .

Last Edited by George B on 07/11/2012 10:09 PM
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It's what you people do.... LOL.
OP is an idiot or a shill... By guess is both.


It's actually what "you do".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19584234


Sorry guy...

if YOU believe in the chemtrail hoax, frankly you're to ignorant to converse with.
 Quoting: G. House


DEATH TO THE TRAITORS
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OK, this is the video:





But here is a question for the more discerning.

YOU PEOPLE claim they are "spraying" nano particle barium, aluminum, etc.

But look at the video at about 2:12. There you see a ValueJet at close up with what is claimed is a chemtrail.

Notice that it doesn't become visible until at least 30 to 50 feet BEHIND whatever is supposedly spraying it.

NOPE...

if they actually WERE spraying actual powder it would be visible THE MOMENT it left the nozzle.

This is also borne out by aircraft using skywriting equipment. The smoke is visible right as it comes out the nozzle.

No...

what you are seeing is moisture already in the air undergoing a phase change.

You people are friggen clueless.
 Quoting: G. House


If the particulate are fuel additives you would expect exactly what you are seeing . . . the aerosols within the exhaust act as nuclei for the formation of water droplets which freeze almost instantaneously and form visible ice particles but this action is delayed enough to show a separation between the craft and the trail . . . This has been researched repeatedly using different concentrations of sulfur compounds and different engine efficiencies. . .
 Quoting: George B


No...

in day to day commercial operations you do not screw with the fuel formulations, military either.

You don't just start running finely divided particles of metal through an engine with temperatures that cause said metals to coat or plate internal parts.

It simply isn't done.

Last Edited by G. House on 07/11/2012 10:07 PM
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It's what you people do.... LOL.
OP is an idiot or a shill... By guess is both.


It's actually what "you do".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19584234


Sorry guy...

if YOU believe in the chemtrail hoax, frankly you're to ignorant to converse with.
 Quoting: G. House


DEATH TO THE TRAITORS
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What a pleasant person YOU are!
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OK, this is the video:





But here is a question for the more discerning.

YOU PEOPLE claim they are "spraying" nano particle barium, aluminum, etc.

But look at the video at about 2:12. There you see a ValueJet at close up with what is claimed is a chemtrail.

Notice that it doesn't become visible until at least 30 to 50 feet BEHIND whatever is supposedly spraying it.

NOPE...

if they actually WERE spraying actual powder it would be visible THE MOMENT it left the nozzle.

This is also borne out by aircraft using skywriting equipment. The smoke is visible right as it comes out the nozzle.

No...

what you are seeing is moisture already in the air undergoing a phase change.

You people are friggen clueless.
 Quoting: G. House


If the particulate are fuel additives you would expect exactly what you are seeing . . . the aerosols within the exhaust act as nuclei for the formation of water droplets which freeze almost instantaneously and form visible ice particles but this action is delayed enough to show a separation between the craft and the trail . . . This has been researched repeatedly using different concentrations of sulfur compounds and different engine efficiencies. . .
 Quoting: George B


Thank you, George.
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OK, this is the video:





But here is a question for the more discerning.

YOU PEOPLE claim they are "spraying" nano particle barium, aluminum, etc.

But look at the video at about 2:12. There you see a ValueJet at close up with what is claimed is a chemtrail.

Notice that it doesn't become visible until at least 30 to 50 feet BEHIND whatever is supposedly spraying it.

NOPE...

if they actually WERE spraying actual powder it would be visible THE MOMENT it left the nozzle.

This is also borne out by aircraft using skywriting equipment. The smoke is visible right as it comes out the nozzle.

No...

what you are seeing is moisture already in the air undergoing a phase change.

You people are friggen clueless.
 Quoting: G. House


If the particulate are fuel additives you would expect exactly what you are seeing . . . the aerosols within the exhaust act as nuclei for the formation of water droplets which freeze almost instantaneously and form visible ice particles but this action is delayed enough to show a separation between the craft and the trail . . . This has been researched repeatedly using different concentrations of sulfur compounds and different engine efficiencies. . .
 Quoting: George B


No...

in day to day commercial operations you do not screw with the fuel formulations, military either.

You don't just start running finely divided particles of metal through an engine with temperatures that cause said metals to coat or plate internal parts.

It simply isn't done.
 Quoting: G. House


So if you introduce the metal particulate into the exhaust stream past the moving engine parts and any area which could cause coating or corrosion . . . one could expect the same observations. . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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...But go ahead with your patent BS, it's what you people do.
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Oh too funny.
 Quoting: wisc_natureboy


Then tell me why I'm wrong about what I said about the powder being visible.

You people don't have anything.
 Quoting: G. House


First off, you never answered my initial direct question to you.

So, why then would I even be inclined to engage in conversation
with someone who makes it clear from the get go,
the conversation will be one-sided?

I made no claims.
I merely posted a US patent, and then an interesting pic I snapped.

As for your question, It sure looks like the thin dark trail
near the top of the pick was at as high an elevation as the dissipating white one.

Frankly when I snapped the pic I was focusing on the dark dissipating one dropping rapidly.
I'd never seen anything like that before.
 Quoting: wisc_natureboy


Clearly the dark contrail is in front of or lower than the brighter wide contrail...

because if you look close the dark trail covers the bright trail.

And you took the photo near evening?

You can get a similar effect in the morning but I get the feeling it was in the evening.

Last Edited by G. House on 07/11/2012 10:17 PM
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OK, this is the video:





But here is a question for the more discerning.

YOU PEOPLE claim they are "spraying" nano particle barium, aluminum, etc.

But look at the video at about 2:12. There you see a ValueJet at close up with what is claimed is a chemtrail.

Notice that it doesn't become visible until at least 30 to 50 feet BEHIND whatever is supposedly spraying it.

NOPE...

if they actually WERE spraying actual powder it would be visible THE MOMENT it left the nozzle.

This is also borne out by aircraft using skywriting equipment. The smoke is visible right as it comes out the nozzle.

No...

what you are seeing is moisture already in the air undergoing a phase change.

You people are friggen clueless.
 Quoting: G. House


If the particulate are fuel additives you would expect exactly what you are seeing . . . the aerosols within the exhaust act as nuclei for the formation of water droplets which freeze almost instantaneously and form visible ice particles but this action is delayed enough to show a separation between the craft and the trail . . . This has been researched repeatedly using different concentrations of sulfur compounds and different engine efficiencies. . .
 Quoting: George B


No...

in day to day commercial operations you do not screw with the fuel formulations, military either.

You don't just start running finely divided particles of metal through an engine with temperatures that cause said metals to coat or plate internal parts.

It simply isn't done.
 Quoting: G. House


So if you introduce the metal particulate into the exhaust stream past the moving engine parts and any area which could cause coating or corrosion . . . one could expect the same observations. . .
 Quoting: George B


Why would you go through that trouble if the friggen soot from the normal fuel would give the same result?

The actual amount of soot produced is an extremely small percentage of the total fuel weight.

The contrails are formed at certain saturations of moisture in the air at -40 degrees.

Besides the standard chemtard claim is that the aluminum and barium is what makes the trails.

Now YOU seem to be saying it ice crystals?
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Do you have any idea how many patents are NEVER used?

That's really weak.
 Quoting: G. House


How is a presenting a US patent that discredits your claim weak?

lol
 Quoting: wisc_natureboy


rofl
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If the particulate are fuel additives you would expect exactly what you are seeing . . . the aerosols within the exhaust act as nuclei for the formation of water droplets which freeze almost instantaneously and form visible ice particles but this action is delayed enough to show a separation between the craft and the trail . . . This has been researched repeatedly using different concentrations of sulfur compounds and different engine efficiencies. . .
 Quoting: George B


No...

in day to day commercial operations you do not screw with the fuel formulations, military either.

You don't just start running finely divided particles of metal through an engine with temperatures that cause said metals to coat or plate internal parts.

It simply isn't done.
 Quoting: G. House


So if you introduce the metal particulate into the exhaust stream past the moving engine parts and any area which could cause coating or corrosion . . . one could expect the same observations. . .
 Quoting: George B


Why would you go through that trouble if the friggen soot from the normal fuel would give the same result?

The actual amount of soot produced is an extremely small percentage of the total fuel weight.

The contrails are formed at certain saturations of moisture in the air at -40 degrees.

Besides the standard chemtard claim is that the aluminum and barium is what makes the trails.

Now YOU seem to be saying it ice crystals?
 Quoting: G. House

Visibility is a coincidental consequence possibly of aerosol injection . . . it is not the ultimate goal . . . so whether visible for a few seconds, minutes, or hours is not the purpose . . . If you dump aerosols at 36,000 feet or higher you expect the particulate to remain suspended for months or years . . .
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Do you have any idea how many patents are NEVER used?

That's really weak.
 Quoting: G. House


How is a presenting a US patent that discredits your claim weak?

lol
 Quoting: wisc_natureboy


rofl
 Quoting: Oyster


roflrofl